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So much is spoken of God that we can get confused to His true glory. Often times we will say that our God has power over the heaven and the earth. Problem is is that it leaves out a very significant part of creation. Which is the water...the body of liquid that separates all the land masses on earth and accommodates another aquatic life inside which is connected with land animals. It turns out that the God of the life under water is the same God that is master of life above the water......on the land. My point is to inform and to not fall short of giving almighty God his due. This separates the imposter Gods from the real ONE GOD. The forces associated with water is not to be played. Whales, sharks, and other sea mammals can grow well over 50 ft and believe me, they have a life of their own. Yet, still, the life of human animals on land effects this life....which is why it is best to have ONE GOD in charge of all life's affairs..both on land and on water. We call this ONE God by differant names....no doubt. While I refer to him by His proper name, ALLAH. The point is that there is only one God incharge so as to keep the universe balance without having quarrelling Gods. The Holy Quran..........Chapter 11................HUD Verse 7.........."And He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six periods...and His domininion (extends ) on the water...that He might manifest you, which of you is best in action."
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Sunday, April 17th 2011 at 9:25PM
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This ayat you take and deceive its meaning has nothing to do with yourCommentary
again, little
No Muslim takes a portion of AlQur'aan to understand, without understanding that which is around it and its context.
First your english translation is not of the Arabic Original correctly and yourMeaning is incorrect, as well
Hud was a prophet of Allaah and Jebreel, is giving Mohamed(as) information about Hud in Chapter Hud---Allaahs Arsh(resting place or throne) is on Water!
Sûrat Hûd
[Prophet Hûd] XI
In the Name of Allâah,the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful
1. Alif-Lâm-Râ.
2. Worship none but Allâah. I, Mohamed Õáì Çááå Úáíå æ Óáã) come to you as a warner from Him, and I bring good news.
3. Commanding you: "Seek the forgiveness of your Lord, and turn to Him in repentance, that He may grant you good enjoyment, for a term , and give His Unlimited Grace to the one who helps and serves the needy and deserving, physically and with his wealth, and even with good words). But if you turn away, then I fear for you the torment of the Day of Resurrection).
4. To Allâah is your return, and He is Able to do all things."
5. No doubt! They gave up Faith, that they may hide from Him. Surely, even when they cover themselves with their garments, He knows what they conceal and what they reveal. He is the All-Knower of their innermost secrets.
6. No moving creature is there on earth but its provision is due from Allâah. He knows its dwelling place and its deposit in the uterus and the grave). All is in a Clear Book (Al-Lauh Al-Mahfûz - the Book of Decrees with Allâah).
7. He it is Who has created the heavens and the earth in six Days and His Throne was on the water, that He might try you, which of you is the best in deeds. But if you were to say to them: "You shall indeed be raised up after death," those who disbelieve would be sure to say, "This is nothing but obvious magic.[1]"
8. And if We delay the torment for them till a determined term, they are sure to say, "What keeps it back?" Verily, on the day it reaches them, nothing will turn it away from them, and they will be surrounded by (or fall in) that at which they used to mock!
[1] (V.11:7) Narrated Abu Hurairah ÑÖí Çááå Úäå: The Prophet Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã said, "The Right Hand of Allâah is full, and (its fullness) is not affected by the continuous spending night and day. Do you see what He has spent since He created the heavens and the earth? Yet all that has not decreased what is in His Right Hand. His Throne is over the water and in His other Hand is the Bounty or the Power to bring about death, and He raises some people and brings others down." (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.9, Hadith No.515)
please Learn something----
Monday, April 18th 2011 at 8:23AM
powell robert
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@Gary.....nice to hear from you. There is a spirit of knowing the truth coming from you. In you words, "Therefore, there has to be a certain amount water in the persons life in order for the unadulterated word of God to affect you right and respond or "re-spawn" to the word! Light travels at 186,272 ft per second".
Your new leader from Allah happens to speak from his expertise in science. I use to enjoy my physics professor at college because they used examples to explain natural phenomena. It turns out that the speed of light is exactly 299,792,458 metres per second or approximately 186,282 miles per second. Now, you said feet per second. A foot is much shorter in distance than a mile, in fact 1 foot = 0.000189393939 miles. To get the speed of light in terms of feet, you would have to divide 186,282 / .000189393939 miles/ft and you would end up with approx 983,568,962 feet per second.
It turns out that sound is a mechanical wave phenomena. It depends on air molecules sharing a vibration initiated at a source. Sound needs no water....in fact water retards sound which is why when you go swimming a dunk your head under the water, your ability to hear becomes suppressed.
Now, back to the nature of the blog. People describe the power of God as Master of the heavens and earth but bypass the water which is extremely significant in HIS bounty. That is the point of this blog.
Monday, April 18th 2011 at 10:18AM
jamal Abraham
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Poor pitiful robert.....so very rusty that you have to dance all around a thing and never get to the bud. So much time you waste. The Holy Quran is written as if God is speaking to the reader. You have no authority on its understanding. That is with Allah, the God of the universe ....and voice to Muhammad of Arabia.
The bud of this blog is that the water of earth is of Allah's bounty as well. There is no need to argue when there is no arguement. Apparently, you just love to argue. One thing for sure, if Allah blesses me to enjoy old age..., I pray to still know how to laugh, how to smile, how to compliment, how to love, how to admire, how to embrace, how to carass, how to walk, how to run and how to climb a tree. I love challenges.....but to vent with no reason.....it makes you stink.
Monday, April 18th 2011 at 11:03AM
jamal Abraham
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The black man is the highest expression of land, and the black woman is the best expression of water, and through all of our natural disasters that have taken place, we clearly see that. Like Hurricane Katrina and all the others, most people make the mistake that water is the most powerful. However take a closer look, while the water may be almighty, once it swoops through it leaves nothing behind but LAND, not ever the water. So you see even in nature everything submits to a higher power.
Monday, April 18th 2011 at 1:48PM
Siebra Muhammad
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@Gary....This blog is about water and the inclusion of water in almighty God's bounty. If you are going to attempt to understand science, then you must first get a handle on the math behind it.
Monday, April 18th 2011 at 10:44PM
jamal Abraham
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Irma, I hear what you are saying. The need to compare the Bible and Holy Quran comes from the continuity of God's divine message through the passage of time. On the premise that the One God is NOT fickleminded, it would make sense that the message from the Torah, Bible and Quran would be such that one book avoid discounting the other. In other words, I would not expect the Quran to make false the Bible except where someone tampered with that particular passage of the bible.
Monday, April 18th 2011 at 11:02PM
jamal Abraham
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Hello Jamal, Gary and Siebra,
Do either of you believe that Mr. Master Fard Muhammad was God in the flesh? Do any of you pray to the half White and half Black Mr. Master Fard Muhammad?
I would like to understand you all concept of God since you say that God is Creator of water.
Secondly, do you think that Robert has a very good point when he says that your interpretation of Quran is incorrect since you do not speak Arabic and you rely solely upon someone else's interpretation and commentary?
What say you?
Tuesday, April 19th 2011 at 12:14AM
Harry Watley
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Harry, the Holy Quran makes it clear that when he sends a prophet or warner to a people....that the warner must speak the language of the people and be of the people. Otherwise, the people can charge God that they did not understand the divine message because it was out of tongue.
Tuesday, April 19th 2011 at 12:47AM
jamal Abraham
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The 2011 farakhanMadoof noiCrowd is represented in this commentary by jamal, siebra and gary.
Like farakhanMadoof who FLUNKED AlIslaam 101---they have absolutely NO understanding of AlQur'aan or the englishBibble as they do not use an Original Language to understand.
THEIR own Argument DEFEATS them, "the ORIGINAL MAN---SPOKE the ORIGINAL LANGUAGE of The Creator......
The ORIGINAL man of The Creator, Adaam(as) and all His Prophets, Nuh, Ibraheem, Musa, Mohamed(asm) and the Original Words of the Creator, should be Learned and Studied.
Not slaverAmericana ENGLISH, when will you Deceivers learn SOMETHING...anything?
the farakhanMadoof crowd, are like a kindergartener writing a program for the understanding of physics.
they rely on paganChristian definitions and englishKing James knowledge.
irma, englishKing James knowledge is not Islaamic Knowledge and It is NOT knowledge of AlQur'aan, the Original Prophets and Books of Allaah.........
hell, the jews do not even accept paganChristian definitions, why should the Muslim?
Tuesday, April 19th 2011 at 8:11AM
powell robert
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@Jamal I feel the statement that "God of Heaven and Earth" would automatically include things within both of them. For heavens include planets and stars, moon and every heaven bounds. The same would be so in God being over all theearth. "The earth is the Lord and the containments thereof" is a direct quote of scripture from the Word. This causes that even "water" and the total ecology of the earth God also abounds. Yet the Word speaks of in giving ones Living Waters which God gives those who believe in Jesus Christ.
There is only one God he is the creator of all things...though men may call God by many names universally he is known as God the Creator in almost every religion that recognizes God as the only one God. That's the Spirit of God who is over everything that was, is and is to to come!
Tuesday, April 19th 2011 at 9:32AM
MIISRAEL Bride
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@Miisrael....this is the kind of dialogue I was seeking. Scientist have found traces of water on Mars so we would not want to be inclusive of only the water on earth. Which brings us back to the nature of the blog. Try to find where it says in Quran or Bible that in God created the water. NO WHERE. Yet HE(GOD) is in charge of the water. The Almighty God is master over the water. Us scientist are not allowed to assume....we have to know.....and on that premise water seems to be a unique case in that theory points to water already here at the time of creation of the universe since all life including the life of God sprang forth out of water.
Tuesday, April 19th 2011 at 1:02PM
jamal Abraham
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@Gary.....I would not accept that the One God can make a mistake.
Tuesday, April 19th 2011 at 1:03PM
jamal Abraham
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Gary your points are taken in due respect. I also find however, that even if men are gods these men of god were also made by the Creator. For God did repent of himself because of the disappointment he found in giving men a limited amount of his own power --which they did and still continue to misue. It is impossible for God to sin and looking at the repentance in referring to the "regret of making men," that I made a man it was through men who found the knowledge right of wrong and and disobeyed God which caused sin. God did not repent because he had made a mistake, for God is an all knowing God. There is a real mystery to God and because he has such deep secrets unknown it's easily to say he made a mistake, but perhaps he did not. For all his creations are to be used by him in order to glorify him. The scripture of you referenced in Psalm 82 continues with a following scripture which states..."Ye are gods and all of you are children of the "Most High" but ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. The Most High God. As for as seeing Jesus as the son of God I feel there is one word omitted. That Jesus is the only "begotten" Son. This is enough for me to make a significant difference from the Sons of God and for God to state have an this is my only begotten Son. Your points are well taken, and I am not disagreeing with you but adding insights I share with developing a futher knowlege of God and his ways. We know God ways are not like our own, and neither can we compare them to what men understand. The only way we can have revelation of God's Spirit is when are taught by the Holy Spirit who speaks for us, teaches us and reveals to us God's deepest secrets.
Tuesday, April 19th 2011 at 6:23PM
MIISRAEL Bride
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Gary, you make a good case, though, God left man's free will in humanity. HE(GOD) could have removed it from us and HE felt that free will would cause man to destroy himself.
Tuesday, April 19th 2011 at 6:33PM
jamal Abraham
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Gary: It is apparent to me that you verbalize and think as a natural man would think. You cannot truly speak such things that are not understood or have received things in the Spirit. It is quite understandable only a un- spiritual man would think that "s*x" is the only way to have a child. So this is true-- in the minds of those who thinking is only in the flesh; but even so-- allow me to enlightened you--to conceive with only s*xual contact is it not true any more in this present day and time. For today and now..a child can be conceived without any s*xual contact. This is technique is called "artificial insemination." No s*xual contact is necessary at all for a women to become pregnant as it was before.
Neverthe less, I repeat truly you have no understanding of the Spirit of God. It is revelant to me you cannot know the Spirit because or if you have not been born of the Spirit. Because one who knows the Spirit will know that God is Perfect and I being born of The Spirit will not speak against that. God is Good.
Having Emotions:
It is so easily to point up principles that exist like having emotions. Tell me can displaying emotions be thought of as a sin? For I agree totally God shows and has emotions.. He gets angry with the wicked everyday, He shows emotions of pure love everyday, He has the capablity of show great power in wrath everyday and he amends those with His revenge everyday and God is mericful to the good and evil everyday even down to little sucklings for he is the Creator!!
THIS IS THE ONE THE TRUE, GOOD & PERFECT GOD:
Take hold of yourself in your boldness for God is not mocked! God is Just! He is truly Holy and a Perfect Spirit. It is God who has determined the knowledge of all things even emotions and the principles of things not known of those who still live in the mind thought of the flesh. This is taking on the new mind of the Spirit of God. Here there-- it not for me for to have an argument of proof-- neither does the Spirit need the to have approval of the mind of men. For the flesh is but a few days... it is the Spirit that lives forever and the Holy Spirit of God that knows all things "good or bad." You have not established what is "good nor bad" but it is through knowledge of what has reveavled to you and God knows all things even the hearts of men. It is quick for you to say that God has not overcome jealousy however, it certain his emotions of jealously is controlled as not become a sin. God has overcome the world which includes everything he made even down to the "evil" in it so it can be suceeded and overcome with good. You may have more to add, but as for me it is finished!
"For God is the only God of Spirit of Creation.
"The One true, good and perfect God."
-------- --Over the Heavens, Over the Earth, Over the Waters"----------
----- I have spoken yet not I but, God whose Spirit lives within me.-----
Wednesday, April 20th 2011 at 9:32AM
MIISRAEL Bride
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Hello Jamal,
You said this, "Harry, the Holy Quran makes it clear that when he sends a prophet or warner to a people....that the warner must speak the language of the people and be of the people. Otherwise, the people can charge God that they did not understand the divine message because it was out of tongue."
However, my question had nothing to do with the Holy Quran. I asked you do you believe that Mr. Master Fard Muhammad was God or Allah in the flesh and do you pray to this man.
Now, I will prophet speaks our language (English) and is one of us. Mr. Master Fard Muhammad was not Elijah's kind. Mr. Master Fard Muhammad was no doubt a foreigner to 41 million Black Americans and Elijah did not have the wisdom and the anointing to see that.
Mr. Master Fard Muhammad's intentions were to make all Black Americans Muslims or followers of the Arabian people and Prophet Mohammed. This would mean that Elijah was doomed to reject his genuine prophet had I been anointed before Elijah died. Black Americans are not Arabian people. So you could see how wrong Mr. Master Fard Muhammad was to aspire that all Black Americans be followers sucking up to the Arabian people's religion, Prophet Mohammed, Islam and Ramadan. Black Americans want our own religion, Prophet Harry, LIFE and a sacred celebration to God as the Jews have the Passover and the Arabian people have Ramadan.
I am the way.
Anyway, please answer my question. Do you believe that Mr. Master Fard Muhammad was God and do you pray to this half White and half Black man as your God? Elijah believed that he was God and since you are a devout follower of Elijah I would expect you to believe that this half White and half Black man is your God. Am I right or am I wrong? You clear it up for the audience.
Already you are wrong to think that you are a Muslim when a true Muslim has to be an Arabian and you are a Black American man. You are lost Jamal. You must return Islam to its rightful owner. Your religion is LIFE and I am your prophet.
What say you?
Wednesday, April 20th 2011 at 3:43PM
Harry Watley
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Hello Gary,
The definition you gave is what the prophet's people have always said about their prophet. The people of the prophet have always said that their prophet was schizophrenic with delusion of grandeur. In other words, I think that I am Black America's prophet but am not. The Arabians said the same thing about Prophet Mohammed and now you all are saying the same thing about me. Do I understand it correctly?
However, the divine wisdom that comes out of my mouth none of you can trump. You know that I am right when I say that since Prophet Mohammed was Arab then Islam is specifically for the Arabian people and not for Black Americans. So, why is it so difficult for you all to understand that since I am a Black American man and Black America's first genuine prophet then our religion LIFE is specifically for Black Americans, am I right?
So, Robert why are you calling yourself a Muslim and your religion Islam and you are not an Arabian man unless you have been misled all your life? Do you not think something is wrong with that picture?
In addition, I asked do you believe that Mr. Master Fard Muhammad was Allah God in the flesh and do you pray to Mr. Master Fard Muhammad?
Do you know why prophets were racially different? Prophet Mohammed was an Arabian man. Prophet Jesus was a Jewish man. What do you get from the fact that prophets are racially different? This same divine logic works against Elijah Muhammad, Mr. Farrakhan, Jamal, Siebra and now you Gary that all of you are Black Americans but you ignorantly believe in the Arabian people and their ways and customs. You all have your own Prophet Harry and our own religion LIFE. So, why do you all continue to look foolish and retarded to the world at large sucking up behind the Arabian people and their Arab Prophet Mohammed?
Siebra, Jamal and you show a fear of me and with that, you all do your best to stay clear of me. I don't think that you should want to stay clear of me if you believe that you have the truth and we answer each of us question and truthfully and respectfully.
Tell me what you think.
Thursday, April 21st 2011 at 1:52PM
Harry Watley
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Harry....your're rambling again. This blog is not about some hogwash religion concocted by you that no one believes but you....that know one supports but you....that know one gives a damn but you. This blog is about the bounty of the God of the Universe. If you are going to speak to the big boys...then talk the language of the big boys. The major religions of the world are ISLAM, Buddhism, Christianity, Judaism and possibly Hinduism. There are many smaller religions, but they are insignificant. Much like this LIFE crap that you speak.
This blog covers that humanity has been overlooking "Water" as part of creation. Yet, water has been used as one of God's weapons when HE seeks to destroy a people. Thus it is no question that HE has total control of it. So, try to stay on track with issue or will have to delete.
Thursday, April 21st 2011 at 4:24PM
jamal Abraham
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@Gary, I appreciate that you use reason for your conclusion that God makes mistakes. My take is differant and here is why. Creation is not stationary or constant but, ever changing...ever evolving according to God's algorithm for change. Part of the change involves man's developing toward perfection exposing early defects that gets cleaned up later in time. In control systems, scientists write software to take action once a variable reaches a particular level...much like almighty God can use a control scheme to take action once man's free will develop toward Goodness shunning evil.
The water, whether a solid, liquid or gas encompasses all of us. To properly insert water as a bounty of the God of the Universe is an attempt to give God HIS due credit.
Thursday, April 21st 2011 at 4:31PM
jamal Abraham
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Well, the God I worship is Allah and He is ONE. Not even 1 1/2 or 1 1/16.....Not Man and Woman....thats to many people....He is one. Man is not a constant in other words but an animal yet changing making him a dynamic. As a dynamic, depending on when in the process you want to make judgement...a differant answer is apparent.
Thursday, April 21st 2011 at 7:13PM
jamal Abraham
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Wow.....We are of Allah. It is in the ability to create self that distinguishes the One God. That same black mud used to create self was used to create the original man. This makes us related to almighty God. Which is why God is interested in our affairs. The mud because there was water to make wet the black dust.
Thursday, April 21st 2011 at 9:57PM
jamal Abraham
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@Irma... you said..
"IT IS NOT MANS PROBLEMS THAT IS THE PROBLEM, BUT NOT BEING ABLE TO LEARN HOW TO SOLVE SAID PROBLEM IS THE PROBLEM...(SOLVE)"
That is so true....not to say about that but admit. Which is one of the main reasons for the God of the Universe guiding my life in the engineering discipline because by definition engineers are problem solvers. My divinity helps in guidance and protection. After all, not only must one solve problems but he must also must learn how to stay alive.
Friday, April 22nd 2011 at 1:11AM
jamal Abraham
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It turns out that there is a God. When a scientist speaks of this, he has the reason to back it up. Rational thought verifies that in the beginning it was dark. Now, capture that thought for a minute...no light, thefore no need for eyes. no earth therefore no need for weight. There was no one around, therefore no need for form. Now, before we continue..keep in my mind that little Abraham is divinely inspired by the One God. One of the way my engineering professors explained to me how to tell the truth from a person who does know what the hell he is speaking about is if he can explain something intricately complicated in the most simplist of terms and break it down where IT MAKES SENSE.
OK, lets continue......out of the dark nothingness, the first thing to spring forth was central intelligence. Singular intelligence that was able to capture the initial conditions of the nothingness environment. Sort of like someone dropping you out of an airplane on an abandoned island and you have to survive. So this initial intelligence had to first learn how to stay in existence HIMSELF before he could even consider creating humanity. This initial intelligence was God.
Digest that...and we will continue later.....
Friday, April 22nd 2011 at 1:21AM
jamal Abraham
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Hello Gary,
Let me tell you what religion is since you asked the question what was the "original" purpose of what is referred to today as Religion by the original people of this planet?
Religion is a means by which a specific people understands and worship God or a deity. This would explain why there are different religions in the world because people are racially different and therefore prophets are racially different as well. It also explains why the messages are different, because the problems are different. Therefore, when you all lump all the prophets as having the same message you all are wrong.
For instance, only a mentally blind person would think that prophet Moses message to the children of Israel was the same as Prophet Mohammed's message to the Arabian people. The messages are not the same.
The message of Moses was about sovereignty, the Exodus and the Promised Land since the children of Israel were in bondage and slavery. The message of Prophet Mohammed was about pagan worship. The message of Prophet Harry is about sovereignty, having a country of our own, having a religion of our own, having a prophet of our own and the concept of being a real people in this world.
Where do you all get these abstract and crazy ideas from? What all Black Americans need to do is to move away from the things of other people. You all look to other people's scriptures for your spiritual guidance when God has anointed a prophet for your spiritual guidance. Did not Allah anointed Prophet Mohammed to spiritually guide the Arabian people? Did not God anointed Prophet Moses to spiritually guide the children of Israel? Did not God anointed Buddha to spiritually guide the people of India? So, how could you Black Americans think that God will not anoint a Black American prophet to spiritually guide us as well? You all cannot scientifically rationalize and that is why we all referred to as blind, deaf and dumb people.
Again, religion is a means by which a people view, worship and understand God be it polytheism or monotheism.
What say you?
Friday, April 22nd 2011 at 9:54AM
Harry Watley
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Hello Jamal,
You said that God that you worship is Allah and that he is One. Is that one person that you worship as Allah is Mr. Master Fard Muhammad? I am specifically referring to the half White and half Black man that was born in Mecca, Arabia who came to America and encountered Elijah Muhammad?
When you all do not respond to my legitimate and specific questions you all are mentally insufficient. You have nothing to fear from me as the children of Israel had nothing to fear from Moses. It would seem to me that I am Black America's first genuine prophet since all of you avoid and me in one way or another. All people avoided their prophets. Even the people of India avoided Prophet Gandhi. It is normal when a prophet for his comes on the scene as people will and has always avoided him, am I right.
However, would you answer my question about your god being Mr. Master Fard Muhammad!
What say you?
Friday, April 22nd 2011 at 10:05AM
Harry Watley
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@Irma....The flurry of uprising in Islamic nations is spreading. It is an external force that strikes a cord for change in leadership meaning it is triggered from something outside of themselves. This something is called "need to excel" which has been held back they all are being repressed to a serious degree. Even the nation of Islam and MANA and other muslim groups in America will be effected. Muslim believers call this the will of Allah. Like the change from summer to fall, the change is filled with new colors and beauty.
Saturday, April 23rd 2011 at 12:43AM
jamal Abraham
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@Gary...your conclusion that man to do what he wills is right on. There is the ability to resolve man's obstructions. Once can spend time spinning there wheels, sort of speak. What of, what they are doing, directly effects their obstructions, though ? This is the question. Right now, the fact that African orign Americans have never to date experienced land of their own. Where laws can be legislated in their favor in a civil government where the rule of law reigns supreme. This is an obstruction. At the same time, we can speak about the rise of sugar diebetes among African Americans. To the degree that African Americans can address their living on someone elses land, practically...then and only then can they exert respect among nations. When a people have a nation they have to think responsibily as people that want to keep up their nation and modernize with the greatest nations of the times. When a people live in someone else's land, who cares....who cares about the lawn, who cares about the neighborhood, who cares about the streets.....who cares....but, when you have your own nation...then...YOU CARE.
Saturday, April 23rd 2011 at 12:55AM
jamal Abraham
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@Irma......The NOI is not going through no more than the human body does after it consumes a big nutritious meal. Part of the nutrients from the meal is used to feed organs and another part is excreted away. It is the excretion of stale leadership that is vital for the NOI to continue to grow like the human body.
Saturday, April 23rd 2011 at 9:51PM
jamal Abraham
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One thing for sure is that the founding fathers of Nation of Islam did not set it up only to get one 1 million African Americans to march on washington. No...it was to lay the foundation for a real live physical nation....real estate. With the existing leadership of NOI it is nothing but smoke and mirrors. A nation produces products, materials and services for growing its socity. What does the NOI produce...nada....what does the NOI manufacture....nada......what industries does the NOI excel.....nada.....what transportation does the NOI develop....nada.....what utility does the NOI control.....nada....When a scientists of stale leadership...he knows what he is talking about.
Saturday, April 23rd 2011 at 11:08PM
jamal Abraham
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Hello Jamal,
Jamal you have made some very good points about the founding fathers of the Nation of Islam. You went on to make a very good distinction of the responsibilities of a real nation.
Now, let me explain a few things to you. I believe Mr. Elijah Muhammad thought that he was on track making Black Americans into a real nation. I believe that God blessed Elijah and Dr. King to see a vision of Black Americans sovereign free on a fertile portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders. Elijah express this vision of our sovereignty in number four of what the Muslims want. Dr. King expressed his vision by saying that God allowed him to go to the mountain top and he saw Black Americans in our Promised Land that he said he may not get there with us; but, we as a people are going to get to the Promised Land.
Now, what can we take away from these two men, spiritually speaking? What it tells us is that neither one of these two men were anointed but found favor in God to see as much as they did.
We know that Elijah was not anointed because he went on to buying farmlands which is hardly a substitute for a country of our own. More importantly though, was his religion of Islam. God would never rise up a Black American man and inspire him with the teachings of the Arabian people as his and his people's salvation since we are not Arabian people. Likewise, God would never inspire Dr. King with the Christian religion as our salvation as well.
We must have our own of everything and that is what God all ways do when God decides to take up the causes of a people desperately in need of help. The first thing that God does is anoint a prophet and the prophet gives his people their religion and from there things begin to take shape and form towards our end goal of becoming a sovereign nation on a fertile portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders. Am I making any sense with you?
Consequentially, there will be one to come along from out of nowhere that God inspired and that one would have our own religion. Am I making any sense with you? These are signs for you to read.
What say you?
Sunday, April 24th 2011 at 10:54AM
Harry Watley
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What happens is that a human child is now born in a water chamber known as the woman's womb. Meaning all human life is born inside of water. Which gets up back to the focus of this blog.....Sure, God created the heavens and earth including the stars and all life form that we see...but, evidence point to HE(GOD) had to do it...inside of water which was already here.
Sunday, April 24th 2011 at 3:16PM
jamal Abraham
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...AND, WITH THIS i WILL LEAVE...NOW THAT THE NAME OF gARVEY HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP...WHO WAS IT THAT BROUGHT HIM DOWN???...it has a lot to do with why this same method is still being used to get the Black community to still remain in the lead of bringing down the NOI...again we must first learn what causes the desease/ problem / us being our own worst enemy before we can find a cure. (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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..."DRINK MORE WATER" LOOOOOOOOL (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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...OH, @Gary, I find I must better make my self understood about asking you to name one membeer of the NOI that were there with Dr. M.L.King... I asked you this because the NOI was there and this was the purpose of getting the closed minds( ESPECIALLY THE POWERS TAHT BE THAT WE WERE NOT UNITED) THEREFORE to believe they were not there????????????? which Gary what I am getting at is THAT YOU KNOW YOU WERE NOT THERE!!!...
YOU JUST BELIEVED SAYING NO BUDDHIST WERE THERE, BECAUSE IT MADE YOU FEEL BIG AND SOMEBODY KNOWING SOMETHING WHEN IT IS JUST THE OPPOSIT...i GATHER MUCH LIKE YOU HAVE NO IDEA THE TREES PROVID OXYGEN AND THAT IS A PITY...AND ALL OF THIS "ANSWER THE QUESTION", BULL WHEN YOU HAVE NO IDEA IF THE ANSWER WILL BE TRUE OR FALSE...
SO YOU HOPEFULLY HAVE LEARNED A LESSON THAT OTHERS LIKE YOU HAVE DONE BEFORE YOU...COME AFTER ME WITH MORE THAN A FALSE SENSE OF KNOWLEDGE OR EVEN WITH LACK OF PLAIN OLD EVERYDAY COMMON SENSE ABOUT SELF DEFENSE AS IN LEARNING HOW TO SURVIVE YOUR OWN WORDS' BACK LASH. (SMILE)
LEARNING, KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM ARE ALL DIFFERENT!!!!!!!!!!!! AND, WHY PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE THE BEST WEAPONS THE NONBLACKS HAVE AGAINST THE BLACK COMMUNITY...
IN USING THOSE LIKE YOU TO PROVE WE ARE VIOLENT, NONUNIFIED, NONCONSTRUCTIVE AND ONLY FIT TO BRING EACH OTHER DOWN. (NUP)
BUT AGAIN IT IS ALL ABOUT SURVIVAL TO CONTINUE TO DIG YOUR HOLE DEEPER AND DEEPER IS IT NOT ????????????? LOL (SMILE)
GOOD NIGHT AND HAVE A HAPPY, UNHAPPY AND STRESSED OUT LIFE TRYING IN VAIN TO CREAT AN IRMA IN YOUR IMAGE. (ROTFLM BLACK AO) (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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If anyone is interested, when Siebra first began to talk about the NOI a few years ago, "I" believed there was O-N-E NOI and since then all I have seen on this site is the more I see written about the NOI the more I see the people saying they are members of the NOI the more the different people argue about how "yours is the wrong version of the NOI and mine is the correct one...and I saw truthB told only this week...
NOW IF "I" WERE TO SAY WILL "THE REAL NATION OF ISLAM PLEASE STAND UP"...WHAT WOULD I GET MORE DISUNITY?!? MORE INSULTS / TRYING TO OUT INSULT THE LAST INSULT?...WHAT WOULD ONE USE TO CONTINUE INTEREST IN BECOMING A MEMBER OF THE NOI AT THIS RATE? IF ONE IS SEEKING PEACE, AND UNITY AND CONTENTMENT?...
(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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i DO SO HOPE THAT MINISTER FARRAKHAN LEAVES AS THE LEADER NOT UNDER THE STAIN ON THE NOI THAT IS STILL THERE FROM MALCOM X...ON OUT SIDERS WHO ADMIRED MALCOM X AND FARRAKHAN BECAUSE I AM MORE HAVING MET AND HEARD THEM BOTH SPEAK IN PERSON WHICH HAS LEFT A GREAT LIFE LONG IMPRESSION OF THE NEED TO BE AN IRRITANT ON THE POWER TAHT BE BY HAVING ONES OWN BEING HIGHLY EDUCATED AND KNOWINT YOU HAVE POWERS TO STAND UP NOT BEND SO THEY CAN STAND ON YOUR BACK THUS KEEPING YOU DOWN... (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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@Gary, You say we were saved by the honorable Minister Elijah Muhammad... Bishop T.D. Jakes says we were saved by being not slaves but Chattel slaves...the pope was the one who used the Bible to prove us nonhuman (oh and why I am not Catholic any more)Jamal and Harry says we 'will' be saved by them...Me, I will just continue to consider myself as being so unique until only I can answer for my causes that I make in my life simply because I came from my mother's body and if I don't have trees to give off oxygen then I die...if I don't haVe food and water I die...and THIS I call the laws of nature or just plain old every day common sense as facts that no man's words can change...AND, EVEN MORE IMPORTANT I OBEY NO MAN, WOMAN OR CHILD AS MY BEING LESS THAN SO I SHOULD KNOW MY PLACE BE THIS BE BELIEFS OF ANY CREED, COLOR OR GENDER, race, CULTUREOR SOCIAL REQUIREMTNENTS ECT. ...
THIS WOULD NOT MAKE ME HAPPY AND I AM ABOUT BEING HAPPY WHILE SURVIVING AND DEMANDING RESPECT FOR MY SELF LOVE AND MY SELF ESTEME FOR MY BEING THE BEST PERSON I CAN BE...JUST AS I AM TO GIVE RESPECT. (SMILE)
IN OTHER WORDS GARY ALL I NEED IN MY SURVIVAL KIT IS : FOOD, WATER, AIR AND SHELTER AND FULL FAITH IN MYSELF THAT I CAN LIVE TO LEARN AND MAKE MY OWN CHOICES...AND, AS I LEARNED IN MY LOGIC CLASS i HAVE TOTAL CONTROL OVER MY LIFE EVEN DOWN TO TAKING IT IF I CHOSE TO DO SO RATHER THAN BE CONTROLED AGAINST MY OWN WILL. (SMILE)
i RESPECT ALL HUMANS AS BEING HUMANS AND i RESPECT ALL RELIGIONS AND AS I KEEP SAYING OVER AND OVER IF YOUR GOD DOES NOT REQUIRE ME TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST MY FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS THEN YOUR GOD IS MY GOD ALSO.
MY LIFE
MY CHOICE. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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BECAUSE 'INSANITY' IS DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND EXPECTING A DIFFERENT OUT COME..."I" SHALL NO LONGER SAY ON THIS BLOG THAT WOMEN ARE NEITHER PERSONAL PROPERTY FOR WORKING THEMSLEVES TO DEATH TO MAKE SOMEONE ELSES' LIFE BETTER ,...
A BABY MAKING MACHINE...
NOR s*x SLAVES AS AN AFTER THOUGHT...
PEACE (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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...OH,AND GARY, PLEASE NAME ME ON MEMBER OF THE NOI FEMALE OR MALE THAT WAS BESIDES DR. KING AT ANY MARCH...BEFORE DR. KING BECAME A HOUSE HOLD NAME...YOU SEE GARY YOU HAVE NO EXPERIENCES BESIDE WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD AS IN SECOND HAND. ...
AND, THIS IS WHY THE TRUTH NEEDS NO DEFENSE EVEN UNDER THE PHONEY PF BEOMG TAUGHT [EP[;E AE NPT INDIVIDUALS BUT RE WHAT YOU WANT/ DON'T WANT TO MAKE THEM IN YOUR OWN IMAGE...
AS THE REASONS FOR MY QUESTION TO YOU IN THE BEGINNING...(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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@GARY IT IS YOU AND THOSE CLOSED MINDS LIKE YOURS TAHT BRINGS SO MUCH HATE AND REJECTIONS FOR THE NOI AND ISLAM IT SELF, BECAUSE SMALL MINDS LIKE GLEEN BECK, ECT. CAN SO EASILY CONTINUE TO CONVENCE THE PUBLIC AT LARG THE WOMEN OF THE ISLAMIC FAITHHAVE NO HUMAN AND CIVIL AND LEGAL RIGHTS...THEY ARE ONLY OBJECTS TO BRING PLEASURE AND SATISY THE MALE EGOS OF THOSE WHO PRACTICE ISLAM...AND IF YOU OBJECT TO TIS THEN WHY HAVE YOU SHOWN PROOFS OF THIS KIND OF MENTALITY ALL OVER TIS BLOG OF JAMAL'S?????????(N...........U........P!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
@GARY THE ROLE MODEL OF THENOI...................
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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MY PEOPLE WE HAVE GOT TO STOP EATING P-O-R-K AND DRINKING ACOHOL. (S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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@Jamal, "I" do understand where you are coming from and th eNOI in doing this is only (in my way of thinking, is only logical as well as NATURAL) because if mankind does not change to be able to survive in a given enviornmental change then it will go extent!!!!
Even the Pope said this same thing about Christianity as heading for extenction.This was after changes in this modern society made him realize he had to take back his saying the Islam was a violent religion, because more people now know more about the religion as well as the social customs of Islam....
France is still resisting, but they do have a lot of pressure on them from their out of control of Skin Heads there .lol(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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@Jamal, is there a civil waar goin gon in the NOI?....
(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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@Gary...
1. I can live only one life which is my own which makes me only responsiable for myown causes taht I make on my life and my environement.
2. And, Gary remember my saying one of teh problems of mankind is not being able to learn howsolve their own problems...well Gary why do you seem to have such a major problems with my not disagreeing with you at all? which leads to why I don't believe in right /wrong because it is not my place to try and live your life but accepting that you are being the best person you can be. and, with taht conclusion of mine Gary it is not up to me to say you have such a paradox i life youcan not figure out if you are being the best person you can be or not, but taht is on you andnot onme. lol (smile)
I am not living my life to serve as your working brain either, Gary so it is up to you as to what you are able to understand or not understand.(smile)
I was born by coming out of a sack of water...and I go by this information becuse this is wher myown body caused my own children to comeint to thworld not a pardox because I was not away of this as I was born, but i have no reason to believe I waas hached from an egg shell...again just plain old common sense mixing religion and science as not trying to find wrong /right, sin /sinner or othrs rights to freedom sof speech/ choice...as I see individuals wit opened minds able to have the ability to change with each things they learn. and some do this before they are cuaght raping, robbing, ect.
Me, I have no idea if within my life time I will never commit murder, theift,ect or even rape it is called life and human behaviors and doing things that makes that individaul able to survive and be happy while surviving. (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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@Gary, do you believe in human behavior...and i you do do you believe in someting called 'survival'?example, if you see someong about to kill you, your mother, father, family, friends will you just accept teh thou shall not kill of you first human behavior will automatically respond in a way different than you would respond to this happening on tv?
or are you saying you willjust allow yourloved ones to be killed, harmed because there is no such things as human responses but we must be taught these things by someone else?????????????? again just at least fo rme plain old everyday common sense as wellas truth is subjective...
now to the next part of your comment, have you ever done something you later regreted...to me I see things like this as human behavior that has us doing what we believe to be right at that time and not a problem juist natural behaviors...now Gary, I don't believe you have ever even heard of my NDB must less be albe to even say one way or theother if it is sying about lesser/ greter self tahn what you have learned for any and all except what my buddhist philosopy is and thie Gary is not a paradox but is natural instinct to survive and be happy while doing this.(smile)
and gary I shall leave you with this natural human behavior, if you are hungry or in need of a drink of water and you say you are, for me it will not be a paradox / lie ect....because for me it will be taken as your truth and your civil and legal right to freedom of speech and your own judgement because at that moment I am not in need of a drink of water does not change you at all. (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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OH and Gary my personal beliefs about why 'religions' were created...they were created to explain the unknown, because the unknown creats fear in all humans. It also has us seeking knowledge on how to uncover the unknown or to appease it, ect...
and, there is one thing that I have learned about every religion I have studied all have an answer to what happens after death! but even after death may have been solves if we use common sense...I grew up believeing tha theaven was up there and there was a man in the moon...today mankind have been up there in 'heavn and have come back to tell us about it along with there is no man in the moon...science and religion may not fit all but it goes togather just fine with me because I know "I am worthy". lol (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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@Gary, being specific as a NDB...you just described my practice to a tee when you said...get back to knowledge of self...but we have what we call an upper self and a lower self...but then we don't remain either / theother self for very long...which leads back to ever action causes a reaction or gets an effect...example, a perso is happy when they marry, but is not when one divorce which is the same as we change all the time.
I am not being for or against you or Jamal or Harry because it is dialogue I enjoy...and why I don't believe in right /wrong as anything but subjective as is religion choices...me I respect all religions because people come with their own and my practice teaches we must respect all human beings as our equal as human beings. In my practice eveyone is equal because everyone has Buddha Nature which is everyone has unlimited powers to control their own behaviors acceoridn tho their subjective rights / wrongs...
I repeat my practice is just every day common sense on how to survive and be happy while doing it. (smile)
good night all it is 12 am and I must get up early tomorrow. (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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Buddhism is simple...just plain old every day common sense like, "NO ONE KNOWS EVERY THING SO KEEP ON LEARNING...AND MAINLY THINGS MUST WORK IN BALANCE. example, as I don't believe in right / wrong, better than/ less than, ect. I see Science and Religion working hand in hand...Science has used the words in the Bible and and the field of geology have been able to show by using the earth itself that the great flood did exist!
and, this is because they do not use all of their knowledge and energy to prove things wrong or right only that is did exist...or what I call steping into eachother's shoes and seeing things from another point of view. (smile)
another every day common sense thing called R-E-S-P-E-C-T for others having a useful brain just like you do...
SEEK AND YE SHALL FIND...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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...and, A-L-L of the Buddhist philosophy have one thing in common...
MAN'S PROBLEMS ARE ALL CAUSED BY : BIRTH, OLD AGE, ILLINESS AND DEATH. LOL (SMILE)
IT IS NOT MANS PROBLEMS THAT IS THE PROBLEM, BUT NOT BEING ABLE TO LEARN HOW TO SOLVE SAID PROBLEM IS THE PROBLEM...(SOLVE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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well, I must admit that when I came out of my 'bag of water" my language was crying if bored, hurting, hungry and just being quiet when happy and content...then I learned to walk, talk and in between then and now...I have had many ups and many downs, learned to hate, love, be sad and be glad...
but I still say as all of ths was here when I got here, earth, wnid, fire, ect. and I know I did not cause all of this...can anyone else claim to have done so ???????????????????????? (smile)
SEEK AND YE SHALL FIND.. FOR EVERY CAUSE THERE IS AN EFFECT AND SOON AND SO FORTH...THIS I KNOW IS TRUE / TRUTH...(SMILE)
GREAT BLOG JAMAL...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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Lov ya MIISRAEL, "MY SISTER IN SPIRIT".(said the Buddhist human being to the Christian human being on the blog by a Muslim human being) ...
that has many different people-human beings with freedom of religious choice.(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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Jamal, now back to something you said about a NEW Message and is is being delivered now by you and this is tied in with it is time for Minister Farrakhan to step aside? What I am trying to ge at is if you are old enough to have gotten you messages from Allah by way of the NOI before or after Minister Farrakhan became the leader of the NOI ?
I only ask to farther clarify if it is the message in the Quran that is important ofr this continuation or is it the messanger that is to take front and center...this has all to do with my learning not long ago that the difference in the Bible and the Quran is the Quran is the word of God -Allah unchanged by man as the Bible is. (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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As a nurse aide student a part of our training was if we were the ones to prepare a patient for being removed as pronounced dead by the doctor and as we pact their things we are to still talk to them with respect say as we are underssing them to remove the clothes we tell them what they are doing...because the hearing powers are the last things to actually die...
if we are going to have a loved one disconnected from a machine keeping them alive then doit right away, because our brain will retrain us to survive in a different way in hours...the best way I can elplain this in and objective way is we all shiver automatically when we get cold...it is our natural survival kicking in to protect our inner organs the same way if we are in freezing water we automatically go into shut down so all of our energy will go to protect our inner organs as heart lungs, iiver...and this is why we unlike th fish in teh sea are built to survive out of water...it is different ways we have mutated to survive...but let us not forget we all start our life in water, you know that bag that burst at birth to let us out?????????????????? (smile)
I will repeat I am always trying to learn things that makes sense to me. (smile)
thanks Jamal as all is a learning moment and I respect all religions...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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I don't know as much about the Koran as I do the Bible and the Bible seem to put more stock in blood letting as the giver of life as well as pleasing the God...but, I don't have even a problem with this either since learning teh Bible and the Koran can in no way be compared to each other that is unless "I" (please note the "I") say that like the Bible it is the word of man not Allah as in when calling him God. (smile)
"I" am still tryng to learn things that makes common sense to me...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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