Half-Breeds, Spotted Kids, Crossbred or Mixed Children:::::::ON THE RISE IN THE 21st Century !

WOW! I almost hoped that this was some kind of a joke or simply a head line to grab the readers attention in order to engage others in a meaningful discussion. People should be careful when drawing conclusions on how individuals feel about/come to know themselves.

Here, we ONLY seek a meaningful discussion on the challenges offspring must face coming from parents of differant cultures. It effects every family in America, one way or another and differant ....including my own. As simple as what they put down on a serious job application: White or caucasian; black or of African descent; Latino; Asian. Putting down the wrong answer could be a matter of getting the job or not. So, this is far from a joke.

Say a half-breed youth walk at school goes to the cafeterial for lunch. We are all familiar how whites tend to sat with other white children and the black children tend to sat with other blacks. Now, this half-breed youth gets her plate and looks where she is going to sat down......WHERE DOES SHE SAT ?

Where she sits (present tense) is with whomever she is friends with. With whom does Barack Obama sit with?

And how did he manage to become president of the U.S.A. if he has this inevitable psychological crippling you claim?

As we have discussed on other blogs and conversations, my two lovely grandchildren do not have any of the sort of problems that you imagine.

In fact, your entire thesis is based on an imaginary and fictitious premise. There is no data, scientific, objective or otherwise, to support any of your claims. They are only valid in your own fantasies.

Case in point: President Obama can sit wherever he wants to anywhere in this country. And so can my grandkids.

Clearly you remain stuck on judging people by the color of their skin and NOT the content of their character.

So, in your opinion, which is more important?

There is another case; a young mixed young man in in Junior High School. He leaves his shoulder bag under his desk after he leaves his last class of the day. When he returns to the room after he notices that he does not have his bag, THE BAG IS GONE. It is a segregated school and he is not sure who took his bag. What goes through his mind about who took his bag....a young black classmate or a young white one ? These are the types of nuisances that occurs every day and millions of more cases. It is only white naive people that think otherwise. Let a white person try to live being black for 2 days and they would go crazy.

I am always amazed when I hear about whites thinking that America is so legitamite and practices the utmost in equality and integrity......horse****.....let some blacks comment on this blog. Living in America while being black is living hell.

A fight breaks out in the school classroom. It breaks down that some black girls are fighting with 4 white girls. Right in the middle of the fight is a young half-breed girl.....what side does she fight on....or does she walk away...then both sides hate her ?

Your scenario is pure fantasy. It is a product of your fantasy.

If you want some credibility, provide us with actual circumstances--real events that actually took place--or some authentic reliable data.

It turns out that this happens somewhere in America every day of the year....it is only the naive white parents that think otherwise.

So you say Jamal, but I agree with Rich, cite some sources.

I may have told you before, my grandkid's mother is Salvadoran. So can we ASSume they also will be screwed up?

Steve, it depends on WHERE there live.....A white man's perspective on this issue is virtually MUTE.

Hello to all,

Jamal said that it is living hell for a Black person living in White America. Jamal went on to say that if it was possible for a White person to live as a Black person that White person would go crazy.

Then Richard and Steve had the gall to ask Jamal to produce some sort actual event to substantiate his claim otherwise it is Jamal's imagination running wild.

Then what the hell Dr. King fight was about if everything is sweet, wonderful an equal for Blacks? The events of Dr. King are not imaginary. Whites killing Blacks for human and civil rights are not imaginary.

Today Whites take advantage of Blacks across-the-board. That is Whites constantly cheats Blacks financially. Whites' healthcare is better than Blacks and Blacks pay their fair share of taxes.
Whites admit racism of Blacks is still alive and well in White America. Seriously, do not you two White men look ignorant testifying on behalf of Blacks?
Look, let's do some reasoning here. Since Jamal is Black do you not think that his testimony of how things are for Blacks in White America should have more credibility than what you two White men say about Blacks?

Blacks are going to inherit a fertile portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders that would put permanently end these types of dialogues.

What say you?

The only thing I can say Harry is that if you and Jamal are living in hell it is, as my wife used to say (a half-breed who would cut your balls off if you said that to her face) is (if she were in a nice mood, unlikely), it's a YP (Your Problem).

See Jamal, I know something about you now, and I feel sorry for you. Because if you did have grandchildren you would not speak so. I just spoke to my little Jimmy, and I know what love is, AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE.

The entire civil rights movement since emancipating the American black slaves has been about equalizing American justice. Dissolving the 2 societies; one for the whites-----rosy and glamorous and one for blacks-----misery and disgust. Like Harry mentioned, leaders like Dr. Martin Luther King, Rap Brown, Stokely Carmen spent their lives to eradicate the plummeting justice for American Blacks. This blog deals with the separation of quality provided to living as white from living while black. What does Whites know about living in America "while" black ? NOTHING. What does White know about to day to day dispicable interactions black people face when encountering bigoted whites ? NOTHING. So, when it comes to mixed children, What does white people know about the complex issues facing them on a day to day basis ? ...NOTHING

@Steve...the ONLY thing you know for sure about me is that I know a white devil when I encounter one. As far as Love is concerned.....White People has had 500 years to demonstrate their real toward their American Slave.....and it has NOT BEEN PRETTY.

@Jamal...Are you acting up? I'm just giving an observation....[Smiles]

And what you know about me Jamal is nothing. NOTHING. I have been through more HELL than you will ever know, and thank Allah that you have not experienced what I have! And pray to Him that you never will! Do not presume to tell me about what is NOT PRETTY! But I will tell you this Jamal, PRIDE GOES BEFORE A FALL!

Nice for you to weigh in Ms. Shields....No, I'm just sharpening my tools. We, as a nation of people(Black Americans) within another nation(White Americans) MUST be able to survive and laugh...often times to keep from crying.

@Steve...forgive me if I have NO PITY for you or any other caucasian in this country.

Hello Steve,

You said that if Jamal and I are living in hell it is our problem. I would suppose that my ancestors who were plantation slaves that all manner of evil done to them by Whites were their problem as well.

Likewise, I would suppose that the evil done to the children of Israel by Pharaoh and Egyptian people was the problem of the Israelites as well.

What an insensitive and hateful comment to make about Black Americans. But, at the same time you want to personally educate Black children.

The days of Whites dominating Blacks, their former slaves are over. Mark my words; because everything that I say is going to happen the same as everything that Moses said happened.
Do you suppose that the bondage and slavery of the children of Israel would have lasted forever?
Similarly, do you think that the human degradation of Blacks today have no ending?

Steve, some of my people tells me that they want eternal life and not a country of our own. Similarly, Ms. Shields have the nerve to ask Jamal is he acting up; but, she has nothing to ask Richard and you.

How do you suppose Black Americans got to be so stupid and ignorant that they would not want sovereignty and a country of our own to live a good and fruitful life on this earth that God created to inhabit human life?
From the days of slavery Black Americans were made stupid and ignorant by White Americans teaching and leading Black Americans around like as human animals.
Blacks got to be this stupid through Whites' religion of Christianity. Every facet of the lives of Black Americans is controlled by White Americans the same as it was with the children of Israel while they were in bondage and slavery in Egypt.

It is not my people you need to debate with Steve and Richard. It is I that you need to pay attention to since I am Black America's genuine prophet that would lead Black Americans into sovereignty. Likewise, it was Moses that Pharaoh should have been paying more attention to than trying to stop the children of Israel from leaving Egypt.

Again Steve and Richard Black Americans are going to become a sovereign people on a fertile portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders.
Whites are going to be hard-pressed as is shown now by you two ignorant Whites; but, you all will accept our sovereignty and become happy for Blacks that we are finally on our own and not dominated by you Whites anymore.

The day is also coming that Whites are going to depend on Black Americans and not just any Blacks and we will help you. We will not be too you what you were to us.

@Harry since you want quote something I said quote this..."I love all of you which is including you Harry."

I am pleased you allowed my comment to stand Jamal, and I will now explain myself.

I do not seek pity from any man or woman, nor from God (though I do seek God's forgiveness), nor do I pity myself. First, because I learned long ago that we have been given the ability to make choices, whether good or bad, and that consequences flow naturally from those choices, good or bad according to the choices we make. Second, because it is proper that we are taught by God, and what may seem on the surface to be curse is in reality a blessing.

Through the choices I made I learned many valuable things through the evil I brought upon myself. What I learned was learned in the context of the self destructive environs of the streets of urban America. And this is why I know that the issue is poverty, not skin color. It has resulted from the evil of past discrimination, and it may seem that that discrimination still exists because of skin color, but that is a misapprehension. The root of the problem is poverty, and the failure of those who cannot rightly put their finger on it results in the continuing stereotyping and polarization of our society. This includes an incorrect understanding of crime and drug use, as well as other self destructive behavior such as prostitution.

Poverty exists in material terms as a lack of opportunity in education and employment. And the failure to solve the problem of poverty results from the greed of those not in poverty, and continuing acts of war and violence among the nations.

The solution then is not to separate ourselves and run, but to face the problem head on. The writings tell us to be at peace with one another and to aid the poor and needy. We can do this by ceasing from war and applying the money saved, vast amounts, to rebuilding our inner cities. Charity is only a part of it. The more lasting and beneficial way is to create opportunities in education and thus employment for those who are currently trapped in a situation where they cannot create these opportunities for themselves.

Hello Harry,

When I speak of living in hell I refer to the hell self created in the mind. So to say that it is your problem is not an insensitive statement. It means that you require a change in your mindset. We could say it like this: quit being a victim in your own mind. Be a man and have courage. Quit running from the problem. Reach out your hand and take hold of the tail of the snake, and it will become a rod of strength.

So Jamal:
If the contrived and artificial situation you described really does happen every day in America, why didn't you use the example of a real-life situation that actually occurred? That would have more believeability than your fantasy set-up.

And second point: suppose we do grant your thesis that such incidents take place every day. Here is my question: how can the incident you describe be used to make a point about the general population when it is confined to adolescent behavior?

Do professional adults in the world of business behave this way?

My point is--your constructed anecdote says nothing about racial politics and attitudes because your sample is too narrow.

So if you want your views to be taken seriously, the traditional route is to offer some credible evidence supported by primary sources and data.

@Richard.../Contrary to what white Americans may think, African Americans DO NOT tell or report to them ALL OF THEIR BUSINESS. The scenarios that I have presented are accounts of real occurrances that have happened. How do I know...because I have friends, relatives, associates, comrades and simply black buddies that tell me so. Being born in America and living in America all of my life, these are the stories that I have been told. The record is in the hearts and minds of black Americans that have to endure the horse**** from white folk every day of our lives.

Dear Jamal:

"Say a half-breed youth walk at school goes to the cafeterial for lunch. We are all familiar how whites tend to sat with other white children and the black children tend to sat with other blacks. Now, this half-breed youth gets her plate and looks where she is going to sat down......WHERE DOES SHE SAT ?"

BUT...

This situation you have described is definitely not limited to OUR business. (And what do you mean by OUR business?) Because the situation involves BOTH white and black children and some children who are mixed.

Sounds like it is everybody's business to get along.

What you do not explain is what meaning we can derive from this behavior of children for adults?

Well now, Richard....you seem to have trouble dealing with the issue. Half breed children face this every day at school and you a WHITE MAN describe this as meaningless. It may be meaningless to you. But, to the thousands of mixed kids that have to watch the starring eyes of both races check to see whose table she is going to sit down at....it is far from meaningless.....IT IS STRESSFUL TO THE CHILD....in other words...putting these situations as minor or rediculous only goes to show why it is messed up for parents of 2 differant races to mix the races. Now, a black parent KNOWS this not to be meaningless for she will try to teach per child what possibly to do. For a black parent to marry HAIRY SMELLY INSENSITIVE white guy who wants NOT to deal with these type of cases only shows the heartlessness a white parent TRULY IS.

What it boils down to is once a half-breed child comes into the world, both mixed parents must learn to develop open dialogue with their child and reason out WHAT HAS BEEN DONE. A mixed child that want to grow up passing for white to escape the horse**** she or he will face being black in BOUND FOR TROUBLE. Much of the trouble will be mental which leaves emotional scares.....the portion of the trouble that is physical....can lead to fights.

Dear Jamal:

First--you make stuff up. The word "meaningless" does not appear in any writing of mine in this blog. That is YOUR addition. You must have dreamed it.

For the record--I DO NOT--repeat--DO NOT believe the situation you describe is meaningless. I do believe it is SAD and it cries out for remedy.

Second--my own grandchildren are of mixed race--black mom, white dad. It so happens I am a teacher in their school so I am with them all day every day. They have attended that school since kindergarten and never once has the situation you describe come up. Not even close.

Third--for my own grandkids, the only stress in their lives comes from the normal childhood stuff--did their team win, did they do all their homework, did they get the right answer on the test. Normal stuff. There is zero emotional impact based on their ethnic group.

Fourth--as a teacher in schools in Brooklyn, New York every day for thirty years, I have not seen one instance of the situation you describe. Conflicts? Yes, all the time. Conflicts arise between students from the same ethnic group mostly--it very rarely crosses color lines. And what are these conflicts based on? Almost always it is a a perceived personal insult or disrespect.

That is a valid observation that has credibility because I have witnessed it over 30 years with my own eyes. On hundreds of occasions it was my responsibility as teacher to mediate those conflicts between students. Skin color was not a factor in a single one.

So here we have a dispute between Jamal Abraham and his imaginary scenarios and an eyewitness with 30 years experience.

And fifth--the situation you describe--conflicts over skin color--I believe is a sad state of affairs that can only lead to further misery and tragedy when somebody is physically harmed.

Here is my question to you. Let's see if you have an answer--

QUESTIONS: DO YOU THINK CONFLICTS BASED ON RACIAL DIFFERENCES NEED REMEDIES SO THEY DO NOT HAPPEN ANY MORE?

AND IF YOU DO, WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION???

Again--the question...and I think it is tremendously SIGNIFICANT!

Do you think the problem of racial conflict is worth trying to find solutions?

And if you do, what are some things we can do to prevent these conflicts?

Hello, Richard...........it is not practical to treat human children, though half-breeds, like they are dogs or cats that you raise and put in cages. How can you possibly think you can know all this going on inside the heads/minds of human children. THAT IS SCIENTIFICALLY IMPOSSIBLE. Sure you can raise a dog or cat and put them in a doghouse and control where they go; where they come; reward them when they are good; spank them when they are bad. There is more that goes on when it comes to raise a human child. The scenarios little Abraham raise are not made up...only to a white man they seem to be raised up because you have never lived in the urban areas (perhaps) of cleveland, detroit, oakland, atlanta, newark or philadelphia. As a matter of fact, you know nothing it is like growing up being black and you insult any intelligent black person if you try to fathom yourself as such.

Eventually, human mixed children as you mention becomes 18 years old and you can no longer control them like wild animals. Then, they must think for themselves and not have you or anyone else TELL THEM WHAT TO DO. How many amish children cannot wait to leave their controlling parents and the controlling lifestyle supposedly keeping them away from real society. It is a growing problem within the Amish community for their children and you are trying to do the same thing. Mixed kids are stressed out not matter what a white person says or try to invent and you will know how much when they become 18 years and older. As far as my solution, that is another blog.

Hello Ms. Shields,

You are now saying that you love me and I understand and believe that you do love me as I love you as well.

However, our dialog is not about love. Our dialogue is about rationally figuring things out using what ever good part of our brains that have not been damaged by slavery.

Now, why do you feel that Jamal was acting up and not Steve and Richard? Is it because Steve and Richard are White? Be honest in your reply.

What say you?

Hello Steve,

You said this, "When I speak of living in hell I refer to the hell self created in the mind."

So, the 400 years of plantation slavery, the raping of my ancestors, the killing and lynching of my ancestors by the KKK, the abuse and assassination of Dr. King and the fact that Black Americans are not a free people today on a fertile portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders is the hell self-created in our minds, but not a reality? In other words, this hell self-created is not real for Black Americans; it just exists in the minds of Black Americans.

Are you stupid?

I contend with you because Blacks are interested in the things that I say as to how I handle Whites.
The children of Israel paid attention to how Moses handled himself before Pharaoh.
All of this plays out whether I am who I say I am as Black America's first genuine prophet to free Black Americans from the subjugation and racism and lead us on to a fertile portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders. Similarly, the children of Israel paid attention as to whether Moses could lead them out of Egypt and into their Promised Land.

So, were the assassination of Dr. King and the terrorism of the KKK a self-created hell that only exists in the minds of Black Americans? Again, are you stupid? You are the dumbest White man I have ever dialogue.

What say you?

Hello to All,

Let me say this specifically to Richard, but also to Steve. Both of these to White guys are out of touch.

Mr. Kigel says that his grandchildren have not experienced the racism of Whites and that is because they are still very young.

I would suppose that Moses did not experience the bondage and slavery of this people while he was still very young.

But, let me say this is well. A man by the name of Bird in Jasper, Texas were tied by three racist Whites to the back of a pickup truck and dragged until his head separated from his body. I went to the funeral.

My point is that when the media went to Jasper inquiring about the relationship between the Blacks and Whites the Whites said that the relationship was just fine.
However, when the media went to the Blacks the Blacks said it is hell for them.
Whites were taking things for granted and because of the media inquiry the Whites began a meaningful dialogue with the Blacks in an effort to make things better and more comfortable for the Blacks.

Mr. Richard and Steve are two arrogant White men.

Mr. Kigel and Steve Black America's only permanent solution is to become a sovereign people on a fertile portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders to worship God, pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way.

Black Americans must brave the natural obstacles that nature hurls as resistance to every race of people to advance. White America cannot help Black Americans in this process. In other words, White Americans cannot ride a bike for Black Americans and somehow Black Americans know how to ride a bike. Get my drift?

What say you?

Hello Harry, I admit to being confused. Jamal says he is The Way for Black Americans, and Harry says he is The Way for Black Americans.

Irma...there are half breeds in my family, but I am not one of them being born from African American parents (both of them) which is by DEFINITION. ONe of my nephews married a white woman and they have two mixed children, though, and witness the challenges they face. Here, we are not talking about skin color as much as children from mixed parents. A mixed child has to make choices that many of African Americans NEVER have to make....like.....who am I ? What side am I ? Which side will I live ? This is commonly know as stress.

Congratulations Harry, I count ten times the word stupid in just one comment.

Irma....there you go rambling....and it makes it hard to respond intelligently. This blog is about Half-breeds....not about Min. Farrakhan, not about the NOI.....it is about children born from parents of differant race. If you expect a response...how about trying to sticking to THAT. I have other blogs about other subjects that you mention...but the key to success is to deal with one subject at a time less you confuse readers.

This blog speaks that mixed race kids are growing in the 21st century and everyone's family is effected. When you go to the grocery store, there they are.....to the movies...there they are....to the corner deli....there they are....to the laundromet...there they are....so we must speak out this growing quagmire.

Rambling is when you speak round and round of many topics in one breath. Which topic do you respond to ? According to the dictionary, to ramble is to talk aimlessly, without connection of ideas....this is what you were doing. My suggestion is to speak of one topic or one idea.

...so sorry, "I" meant to say people who say they are both Black and Muslim. (smile)

Me, I believe in individual choice therefore I am able to respect all religions and the people who choose to have or to not have an offical religion. (smile)

@Jamal, how often do you make sure membrs of your own family know they are not accepted?!?

I am sure this causes no stress or harm because it is you the leader of black nation saying these things, right? But, then as minister Farrakhan is still the leader of the NOI then maybe your teacings to your family members does not matter at all. And, they hav no reasons to need a new nation , but are happy being who and what they are in this life time and being happy is such a vital part of survival as a human being, not a lable.(smile)

@JAMAL, AS STEVE SAID, I AM GLAD MY COMMENTS HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO STAND...and, as diolague is seeing other sides of issues here is my accepted version of H-E-L-L...

is a state of suffering and despair, in which we precieeve we have no freedom of action. It is characterized by the impulse to destroy ourselves and everything around us. (smile)

jAMAL...YOUR RATIONAL ABOUT bLACK CHILDREN SITTING WITH BLACK CHILDREN AND wHITE CHILDERN SITTING WITH WHITE CHILDREN...

Jamal I can picture, children of the NOI not having any separation from the Christian children or you having no problem getting the children of the NOI to turn against Minister Farrakhan and tis is why it is Farrikhann and not you as the head of the NOI...or is it that you and the minister have a tie because of your skin color that is more of a sign of a 'half-breed' than any thing else as skin color is 'objective' not 'subjective'THUS THIS HAS BOTH OF YOU WITH MAJOR PROBLEMS OVER LEADER SHIP AS MAYBE A SKIN COLOR TIE?!?...lol (smile)

Jamal, you ae talking abou thalf breeds...so I will leave as I was so sure I saw you mention tings like : AMERICA, SCHOOLS, JOBS, CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT, WHITE PEOPLE , BLACK PEOPLE...

WHEN AS YOUSAID THIS BLOG IS NOT ABOUT ANY OF THIS...IT IS ONLY ABOUT HALF BREEDS, PERIOD, END OF STORY. SO JAMAL, I BID YOU GOOD BYE AND THANKS FOR SETTING ME STRAIGHT. (ROTFL) (SMILE)

I wonder what happened to my comment of yesterday to you Jamal about my comment to you just above the one you said I was rambeling when asking you about the comment you had made about the halfbreeds in your own family...you made teh comment not me and if you can not give an interregent answer by saying a direct question is rambeling it just fine with me. (smile)

@JAMAL IN ONE OF YOUR BLOGS YOU SAY THE WHITE RACE IS THE ONE WHO IS SUPPOSE TO PAY FOR YOUR NATION TO BE A REALITY...BECAUSE OF OUR SWEAT THAT WAS USED...

NOW EVEN GRANTED THAT WE FINALLY GET THE 40 ACREAS AND A MULE'S CONTRACT FULLFILLED...WHERE IS THERE ANY PROVISION OF THE INDIVIDUAL DNA TEST THAT WILL BE REQUIRED TO BRING INTO REALITY YOUR SEPARATE IS EQUAL AS THIS IS A VIOLATION OF THE LAWS OF OUR LANDS!!!

NO JAMAL I DON'T EXPECT A RESPONSE, BECAUSE I ONLY DEAL IN LOGIC NOT ENOTIIONAL F-A-C-T-S AS EVEN DEPENDING ON RESULTS OF THE DNA TEST TO HELP YOU GET ONLY BLACKS REQUIRES ONE TO PUT 110% TRUST ON THE WHITE RACE TO HELP DETERMINE / CREAT / ESTABLISH THEIR BLACK NATION NO MATTER WHERE ON THE PLANET IT IS TO ONE DAY COME INTO BEINGS. (NUP / SMILE)