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LEGAL PAPERS IN FEDERAL COURT DEFINITIVELY CONFIRM THAT MAN KILLED IN PAKISTAN RAID WAS BIN LADEN (1234 hits)

POLITICO, June 17, 2911—A federal judge has approved a request by prosecutors to officially dismiss all criminal charges against Osama bin Laden. Such requests are procedural and routine in case where defendants named in indictment die.

The order was made public Friday, more than six weeks after bin Laden was killed by the U.S. military in a raid on his hideout in Pakistan.

A statement filed in New York on Friday offers a detailed explanation of how officials went about confirming that the man killed in the May CIA raid is bin Laden.

Using facial recognition technology and DNA collected from “multiple family members,” federal authorities say they have conclusively confirmed that Osama bin Laden was the man killed in the Abbottabad raid — with the possibility that the DNA sample came from anyone other than the Al Qaeda leader pegged at one in 11.8 quadrillion.


The tests confirmed that the sample collected at the house “matched the derived comprehensive DNA profile for bin Laden.”

The CIA also used facial recognition technology, comparing old photos of bin Laden to photos of his body. That analysis ended “with high confidence that the deceased individual was bin Laden.”

The al-Qaida leader was indicted in June 1998 in federal court in Manhattan on charges related to the terrorist attacks on the two U.S. embassies in Africa. It's the only federal indictment to charge him.

The papers were filed by prosecutors so that U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan could approve the dismissal of the federal charges against the deceased Al Qaeda leader, as is standard practice for people under indictment who die. Bin Laden was indicted on charges related to a 1993 ambush in Somalia that killed 18 U.S. soldiers, as well as for a role in the bombings of two U.S. embassies in 1998 and 2000 attack on the USS Cole. The charges included conspiracy to kill U.S. citizens, conspiracy to destroy U.S. property and use of a weapon of mass destruction.

He had not been charged in connection with the Sept. 11 attacks.

After the May 2 raid on bin Laden’s compound, U.S. forces gathered DNA from his body and took it to a base in Afghanistan, where CIA officers compared it “with a comprehensive DNA profile derived from multiple members of bin Laden’s family,” said the statement which was signed by deputy assistant attorney general George Toscas.

The document also mentions that a “significant” amount of terrorist material was found at the Abbottabad compound, including “correspondence between Osama bin Laden and other senior Al Qaeda leaders that concerns a wide range of Al Qaeda issues.”
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Saturday, June 18th 2011 at 10:36AM
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Dear Saint Jake:

Your exposition on DNA analysis is thorough, intelligent, highly plausible and it sounds eminently reasonable. But it's not persuasive because it lacks authoritative support.

As smart and as well informed as you are, I do not take your personal word on the scientific analysis of DNA samples. You are not qualified to speak on it.

That is why, as a prinicple of good debate strategy, the competitor cites sources and authorities.

Since the authority you are citing is "anonymous, this undermines any claim you make for your case.

We do not know anything about his reputation among his peers, his experience in the field, his knowledge of CIA lab procedures and how intimately he is familiar with how this particular DNA sample was treated.

All of these issues make his statements doubtful at best.

On the other hand, the US government Iincluding Congressmen on Intel committees who have security clearances that enable them to receive full briefings, professional journalists (who work for news organizations that will fire them for knowingly writing falsehoods), other nations, including Pakistan, the bin Laden family, the ldearship of al Qaeda, and now the US Federal Court, all are satisfied with the DNA evidence as provided.

So you go ahead and believe what you want to believe. You can certainly follow any theory you want presented by someone with with questionable credentials.

I will go with the word of those who are in a position to know every time.

Especially when the accumulated evidence is so overwhelming.

Bottom line: I see no reason to doubt the word of the President of the United States.

Nice try!!!






Monday, June 20th 2011 at 7:20AM
Richard Kigel
“it's based on opinion rather than scientific fact.”

What??? I am not sure what you mean by scientific fact since you have not given us any.

Public opinion surveys do not constitute evidence for anything. An opinion by a self-described “expert” who is not willing to stand behind his views and refuses to give his name, is pretty close to worthless.

There is a world of difference between independently verifiable facts which are unchangeable, verifiable and so compelling they must be accepted.

Opinions even strong ones don’t need any evidence. They stand on their own—alongside equally strong contradictory opinions. That is why opinions are not very persuasive.

Monday, June 20th 2011 at 7:59PM
Richard Kigel
[...with the possibility that the DNA sample came from anyone other than the Al Qaeda leader pegged at one in 11.8 quadrillion. ...]

Now that's really compelling!


Monday, June 20th 2011 at 11:14PM
Jen Fad
Irma--

Of course!!!

I saw the Van Jones challenge on the Ed Show--and it was compelling and interesting. I will see if I can find it.

And rachel's piece on Justice Thomas is also something I think people should be aware of. We have had Supreme Court justices resign for less.

Tuesday, June 21st 2011 at 8:20AM
Richard Kigel
Jen:

Those court filings are now a matter of public record.

The fact that the case against bin laden is closed forever is the ultimate testimony supporting the fact that he is dead and never coming back.


Tuesday, June 21st 2011 at 8:48AM
Richard Kigel
Hey Saint...

I know you are a HUGE Jazz fan...

I found a wonderful and joyous rendition of the classic Summertime by Jill Scott and George Benson with some big-time scatting! Just now put it up here.

Hope you enjoy it!!!

Tuesday, June 21st 2011 at 9:11AM
Richard Kigel
My hat is off to a preident who refused to follow in the foot steps of bothe president Bushes and declaring war on a soverign nation to get one man.

OOPs almost over looked the second president Bush's declaring war(S) on two different nations plus in his brand of getting his M-A-N thus having us still in the two longest, most costly events in American history...

BUT WHO CARES IN A NATION LIKE OURS THAT RESOUNDLY REJECTS ANY FORMS OF 'TRUTH" , ' FACTS" CONSTITUTIONALLY OR NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (N...U...P!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...GREAT teaching moment post as always Rich. (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@Jake, if our government keeps finding ways to justify sending $billions each week into so many Muslim nations, I doubt it his beind dead or alive matters...

as Truth is subjective and money is objective and if any things speaks loud and clear in teh almighty $$$$$$$$$ which I am sure those that who worship at the alter of greed will even accept your words as you don't accept the words of our government...

and, to and for me this is the definition of E-Q-U-A-L-I-T-Y AS WELL AS FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND THOUGHT. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@Jake...pay close attention to you say they lie...they say they don't live about B.L. being dead...tis is why I always try to use more than one resource. example,

there will always be a DNA specialist to p-r-o-v-e he is dead...
there will always be a DNA specialist to say he is not dead...

because science takes years and years of testing and retesting...the testing of O.B.L.'s body or not spare parts will be used all up in the maybe hundred sof years, centuries this subject is debted!example, ow long ago was pres. J.F.K. killed?

and, why I said before..if he is not dead then his organization has just accomplished a major military stratagy by getting a new leader.(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
..."I" never said we have FREEDOM AND THOUGHT...and never would say something like this or I could not love Siebra's poem FREEDOM OR FREE nor be the NDB I believe myself to be if I did not say something like FREEDOM O-F SPEECH AND THOUGHT...this relates to the 'individual' to make this choice not me.

just logic that demands I back up what I say (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...now lets try a little thing called everyday common sense...you don't know Rachel Maddow / our president or the presiden tof russia, Iran, ect...but if you saw them laying dead in front of your face would you plain old common sense need proof of dna to make it compute in your computer whichis thehuman brain? What about a high school teacher you only knew in calss and has never been into their home or have met their family or even know where they lived or what they did when not before you in calss...would you need dna to be able to say this wa one of your high school teachers or an expert to make up your ind for you, Jake? (smile)

Not a personal or any otherkind of attack only trying to show the other side of this dna, dialogue.lol... (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
I will not take up any more space after saying this...I would hate to try and guess how man people still don't believe we have vistied the moon, our president is not an illegal president because he was born in Kenya and is a Muslim...and as far as the computer time...how ong does it take to clone a human being and then not tell the government or th public about it????

we should try to be patient and wait for the trial of those accused of helpin gour government get O.B.L. as I am sure they will have to be able to prove O.B.L. is dead to be able to convict these people, right ????? or do we just conclude they don't have fair trials because they are a Muslim nation???? (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
(@Rich, could you please post my girl Rachell's program tonight as I believe this is going to be in our future about Ethics and Justice Thomas dispite I am sure the conservatives will not make this a news frenzy...but, it may just go to help ease those opened minded about the Walmart supreme court's decision on just how strong our democracy is against any form of discrimination and our justice system being up fo rsale even by our supreme court...we voted these people into office as we did A. Weiner and it tickles me will Mrs. Thomas stand by her man and will the KKK and the Teaparty just justify turning against her with the excuse she is just another '***** lover' and hang her along with her husband for getting caught...

and, mostly Rich, it jus tmight help us to better understnad what VAn Jones said on the ed show tonight about not fighting fox and co. when they came after him as his main purpose in D.C and as a citizen was to protect our president...and Rich it is important to me also because it may just go to show our youth taht we have not done any rioting as this wil only go to hurt our president...and if our president not the teaparty and KKK get in the whitehouse in 2012 we can correct thi s for money, not for mainstreet, supreme court with liberal Justices back in th emajority trying to protect our human and civil rights once again. thanks Rich as for me this is personal and for democracy to be upheld in our nation by way of proper education from different resources. lov ya. (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@Jake, one of the main reasons "I" watch The Rachel Maddow program so faithfully is because she provides different resources to go to fact check what it is she covers on her program. example,

I HAD NEVER NTOICED UNTIL RACEL BROUGHT UP O.B.L. ALWAYS SENT HIS TAPES TO US RELATING TO OUR ECONOMY...HE SAiD HIS GOAL WAS TO SEE OUR ECONOMY FAILS...AND JAKE EVEN YOU JUST MAY AGREE WITH IN THiS HE SUCCEEDED HANDS DOWN AS OUR SENDING OUT $BILLIONS EACH WEEK ( to try in vain to conquor is organizatin for the past 10 years and counting) BORROWED FROM CHINA AND ANYONE OTHER NATIONS WE CAN BEG , RAKE AND SCRAPE ONE PENNY MORE FORM IS A F-A-C-T. (S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
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