We Came Before Columbus: Who Really Discovered the Americas,,by Dr. Arthur Lewin (37462 hits)
They say black america was born through slavery well that is a lie ,its time for the truth to be told and scholarship to present the facts I love to read and do research when you know better, you do better .
knowledge I got this study through search and van Van Sertima’s 1986 book, They Came Before Columbus, claims that Africans made a series of settlements in the Americas hundreds of years before Columbus set sail.
The author cites a wealth of linguistic, historical and anthropological evidence, not to mention the written accounts and diaries of Columbus and other explorers who mention finding Black people already here when they arrived. Nonetheless, They Came Before Columbus has been dismissed out of hand by the academic establishment.
However, one needs no technical expertise to evaluate its claims. The visual evidence by itself carries the day. It is the dozens of 10 – 16 foot high stone heads produced by the ancient Olmec civilization, the “Olmec Heads.” They have unmistakably African features.
In 2010, The History Channel released a documentary, “Who Really Discovered America?” It examined claims of a host of reputed pre-Columbian arrivals: the Chinese, Welsh, Polynesians, Israelites, Vikings, Irish, Japanese and others. However, Ivan Van Sertima’s name, let alone his book or its hypothesis, were not mentioned at all.
The Olmec heads were not even shown. This, despite the fact that all sorts of theories, with but the flimsiest evidence, as opposed to, They Came Before Columbus which was decades in the making, were given considerable air time.
Dr. Ivan Van Sertima’s classic They Came Before Columbus In reaction to this calculated, studied oversight a number of African American individuals raised money to fund a series of videos, “Hidden Colors,” in which prominent African American researchers were interviewed to document a wide array of little known African contributions to science and society down through the ages.
The automatic, reflex-like exclusion of any and all serious consideration of African accomplishment is an example of what is called a meme, a “cultural item that is transmitted by repetition in a manner analogous to the biological transmission of genes.” This reflexive denigration of Africans extends throughout this culture. Take, for example, the popular computer game, Civilization, which first appeared in 1991.
On p. 124 of the player’s manual we see a list titled “Further Reading.” The heading says, “A wide variety of sources were consulted for this game. Among the many books examined, the following were found especially interesting and are recommended for further reading.” There follows a number of historical works all subscribing to the Ionian Enchantment, save one, Man God and Civilization, by John G. Jackson.
Whereas the other works are described in a positive often glowing light, the tagline for Man God and Civilization reads, “An alternative view that proposes not only humans but civilization also arose in Africa; not convincing.” But if the book is “not convincing,” why was it included in a list “recommended for further reading?” Why did the makers of the game purposely go out of their way to single out claims of African accomplishment only to disparage them?
At the same time, however, the cover of the manual, which has the word “CIVILIZATION” emblazoned across the top, is dominated by a picture of the New York skyline with the figure of a pharaoh buried underneath it, giving the clear impression that Egypt was, in fact, the fountainhead of Civilization.
This society has for thousands of years embraced the cultural accomplishments of Africa and Africans for thousands of years, but today stubbornly refuses to give credit where credit is due. It owes a psychic and spiritual debt to the Motherland. Until it is paid it will forever be plagued with a host of problems that come from failing to honor its Scientific Ancestors. . .
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awesome post..... yes our African Ancestors came to Americus before The Euro Invasion. These Africans met with the Natives whom were here... and they shared agricultural and dress/clothing ...
OK HARRY IF YOU CAN stick to the ''topic '',,start your dance around these facts , scholarship,study PLEASE READ,,, DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH,,,,, SPEAK WITH KNOWLEDGE...... LISTON TO THE FACTS ,,,,,,
THEN let you knowledge be known to everyone ,,,,,speak easy ,,,,,,
IM , LETTING KNOWLEDGE BE BORN ,with the words that I speak !...
Thursday, March 14th 2013 at 8:10PM
DAVID JOHNSON
David,
When you say to me stick to the topic you are subliminally crying to control my thoughts and intelligences. I don’t want you or any one else to control me. Only God controls me! My comments are always on topic. Your responsibility is to show that I am wrong and that you have never done am I right.
Jamal Abraham use to do the same and issue the same bully threats as you do. When I made a comment that made him look bad he would delete my comment with the excuse that I wasn’t on topic. He was a person that everybody had to talk to him. Two people couldn’t talk to each other on his blog.
Well I am not going to beat around the bush. What is wrong with this blog and the video is this. The video is clearly saying that Africans were in the Americas before Columbus and the video is crying to make the connection that Black Americans are these Africans that were here before Columbus and that is not true.
Am I right that the author is talking about Africans and mistaken these so-called African explorers to be Black Americans? Therefore, this blog is a moot issue to Black Americans. Likewise, if the author had said that Chinese people were in the Americas before Columbus it still would be a moot issue to us Black Americans because we are not Chinese people.
The author in the video believes that Black Americans are Africans. I’ve clearly pointed out that Black Americans and Africans are biologically two different people. Therefore, you all could teach that author something am I right.
Harry JUST because you ''say '' its not true doesn't make it so ,,you have no fact to support your words, its just rants ,gibberish ,talk, bull**** ..where are your facts HARRY ,,,show us the money,, Dr. Ivan Van Sertima has written a book ,done research ,bringing scholarship info and harry all you doing is bumping you gums yappiddy ,yap ,,,show your self approved and lay down the facts because we all know a sellout ***** like HARRY will sell us out to white man without scholarship just want people to believe with out facts ,,,that how they did us in the past ,,,,wanting us to believe everything they wrote without facts !
Friday, March 15th 2013 at 11:12AM
DAVID JOHNSON
harry your still trying to make people look bad as to trying to show how smart you are,,,, your stuck with people approval ,,,that is no match for the ,,,,,FACTS ! ,,DUMMY !
Friday, March 15th 2013 at 11:21AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Hello David,
Stop and listen for a moment, please. I am not saying the author is wrong that Africans were in the Americas before Columbus and I really don’t care if Africans were in the Americas before Columbus. The author’s book is about Africans
Well, I have told you all over and over already that Black Americans are a new race of people. We Black Americans had never existed before slavery in this country. I’ve explain that when White men bred themselves with the first wave of their African slaves for 300 years those first Africans changed through out 300 years mixed with the DNA of Whites into this new race of Black Americans you see today. We number about 41 million through out this country.
I’ve explained another way when I said that it is the same as taking a peach and plum tree and crossing them together and you get a nectarine tree. The nectarine tree had never existed before the peach and the plum tree was crossed.
I don’t understand why something as simple as what I am explaining you all doesn’t grasp it.
Well, anyway that author is talking about Africans and Black Americans are not Africans.
again HARRY no solid Real evidence,or intended to prove a fact your just mouth off !
hell with a peach or a plum this is not about fruit dummy this is about facts hell with what you think and your dumb ass thoughts we all know how stupid you are Harry WE ALL KNOW YOU CANT FIND FACTS ,,
YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT FRUIT STUPID ASS ,,go to the grocery store you try to explain, STOP ,,,BRING THE FACTS AND CUT THE JABBER JAW ACT THE jaw jacking ,the ranting ,the message your trying to send is since less ,no substance we are talking about scholarship facts that are way over you head HARRY .
until you can bring disputable facts or kill all the BS ,,,
AGAIN Harry your no different then the white man that tried to change black history and put chains on the minds of my black people
the thing is you suppose to be black ,,,that is the worst a sell out ***** HARRY WATLEY AKA WHITE HARRY ! SUCK ON THAT FOR A WHILE OK ! !
AND DONT ASK ME NO DUMB ASS QUESTIONS ,,like you always do !
his society has for thousands of years embraced the cultural accomplishments of Africa and Africans for thousands of years, but today stubbornly refuses to give credit where credit is due. It owes a psychic and spiritual debt to the Motherland. Until it is paid it will forever be plagued with a host of problems that come from failing to honor its Scientific Ancestors. . .
Friday, March 15th 2013 at 3:22PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Hello David,
You don’t understand anything especially that we are not Africans. You are terminal.
just like I knew you'd start the questioning ,,,,,ask you self that HARRY are you African ?
stop ,,the jaw jacking ,,bring facts remember WE ALL KNOW KNOW HARRY... IS ONE DUMB SELL OUT ***** !
Friday, March 15th 2013 at 3:47PM
DAVID JOHNSON
UNTIL YOU CAN BRING FACTS ,,, DON'T ASK DAVID JOHNSON ,,**** !
Friday, March 15th 2013 at 3:48PM
DAVID JOHNSON
History is a clock people use to tell their historical culture and political time of the day. Its a compass that people use to find themselves on the map of human geography. The history tell them where they have been, where they are, and what they are, but most importantly history tells a people where they still must go and what they still must be...
Friday, March 15th 2013 at 4:34PM
DAVID JOHNSON
David,
I had seen the Olmec heads before, but the info you gave about the currents from Africa to S. America gave me an idea. If Asiatics came from the north and Africans from the south, then what would be the lineage where they met? I found this picture of a Pueblo woman, taken in 1920 I believe. This is really for Harry, since he can determine anyone's ancestry on sight.
Thor Heyerdahl also floated on a balsa raft from Peru to Polynesia, before the papyrus one across the Atlantic. We know that humans originated in Africa, and somehow we had spread around the globe thousands and thousands of years before Columbus. One can only wonder what was lost at Alexandria.
Friday, March 15th 2013 at 5:06PM
Steve Williams
Steve,
I am not concern about the Asiatic people and the Africans from the South. You can not hold me to any accuracy about them because I am not one of them am I right. However, you can hold me to accuracy about Black Americans and Black America’s lineage because I am a Black American. And, because I am Black America’s first genuine prophet I know more about Black Americans than Black Americans know about themselves.
I said that Black Americans are a new race of people. I’ve explained many of times how Black Americans became a new race of people and because I know this I would also know that Black Americans are not Africans.
The blog is about an author mistakenly believing that Black Americans are African people that he claims Black Americans were in the Americas before Columbus and I am saying he is wrong.
You are part of this dialogue and we can not have an honest intelligent dialogue when you are close to questions? We are not having a dialogue like intelligent White people have with each other. We are having a ghetto type dialogue am I right.
So, at the moment the dialogue is on hold. We are the most ignorant people in this country today and have been for the past 500 years because we are descendents of plantation slaves and slaves are not intelligent people that why they are slaves am I right.
My question to you still remains; do you believe that Black Americans are Africans? Answer my question so we can move forward.
I read how Ms. Jen asked you questions about the things you were saying and posting. She asked you are you a Christian and you would not answer her and you are repeating the same with me. You are an absolute idiot!
As I said, the picture is from 1920, taken in America. Is the woman in the picture a Black American or not? You are the one who claims you can tell just by looking.
hay stupid ass HARRY ,,,what part dont you understand ,,,,society has for thousands of years embraced the cultural accomplishments of Africa and Africans for thousands of years, but today stubbornly and sellout lik YOU HARRY refuses to give credit where credit is due. It owes a psychic and spiritual debt to the Motherland. Until it is paid it will forever be plagued with a host of problems that come from failing to honor its Scientific Ancestors. . .
Saturday, March 16th 2013 at 12:31AM
DAVID JOHNSON
you want to take the supject back to harry ,,,not this time ,,you can go to hell this is way bigger then a dumb ass begging for attention ,,you are all played out if you cant understand the topic the stay off the blog but your comments that are not on the topic will be dleted ,,,im reall not intrested in what you got to say because you been saying the same **** for the last 8 years ,,,do the math fool your **** dont add up !
After the “experts” have established the “truth”, they are very reluctant to let new discoveries revise what they already conceived as being the “truth” because they don’t want to discredit their own life’s work. Their identity is built upon it, and they clutch it like a baby clutches her doll. Being a part of the ASA Restoration Project, I have seen this tendency first hand.
A TRUE “expert” in anything understands that there is always an immense amount of knowledge that we know we don’t yet know, and an even greater amount of knowledge that we don’t even know that we don’t know. What we “know” is only what has been discovered thus far.
Dr. Ivan Van Sertima, an African scholar, draws from his own early academic experiences:
“If was even harder for me [accepting that Africans had come to Americas before Columbus] because all of my early training was that Africans were primitives. I really believed that…I went to one of the best universities in the world for that but all the data available and most of the approaches [to studying and teaching about Africa] at that time were racist, whether intentional or not…At the end of the first year I tried to commit suicide.”
In 1976, the older ACTIVIST scholar Dr. Van Sertima published They Came Before Columbus, which documented an abundance of evidence to prove Africans were migrating to the Americas long ago. He was of course attacked by other “experts” who couldn’t accept such a notion.
Many “experts” are trained to think in a racist way that leads them to believe Africans’ technology, even hundreds or thousands of years ago could not have been sophisticated enough for intercontinental travel, even when modern day explorers have demonstrated and proven that ancient Egyptian papyrus water crafts could easily make it across the Atlantic ocean to the Americas.
They are trained to believe that when we find African people in places outside of Africa, they must have come as slaves — even when they find ancient 10-ton statues of clearly African faces in Mexico that were venerated by the indigenous people there.
As Dr. Van Sertima points out, when it comes to this subject, we have few indigenous accounts. There were at one point many indigenous American books, but they were destroyed by the European colonial apparatus led by religious fanatics like the Spanish Bishop Diego de Landa. Most oral evidence of the Pre-Columbian African presence in the Americas comes from accounts of European “explorer”, such as that of Christopher Columbus, of encountering African people in the Americas.
Subsequently, evidence from many different fields of study must be gathered in order to formulate a thorough argument around this concept.
Dr. Van Sertima did this. His works and life story are a testament to this. Dr. Van Sertima (I will post a more thorough biography about him soon) was a great scholar who sacrificed his mainstream reputation and career to prove the fact that African people have been traveling to the Americas continuously for thousands of years, beginning AT LEAST several thousand years, if not tens of thousands of years, ago.
This blog seeks to build awareness about this subject, explore and re-examine the research built upon by Dr. Van Sertima and other scholars, and continue to build on that research in the 21st century.
To me, realizing the pre-Columbian African presence in the Americas was similar to the profound effect that learning about the Africanity of ancient Egypt and its glory, or about the African symbolism all over Washington, DC, had on me. The implications of these instances were so deep that it caused a “personal paradigm shift” each time.
After one experiences a “Kemetamorphosis” such as this, everything they come across is interpreted through a new, or “upgraded” lens. Their paradigm has shifted. From that point onward, they question everything in order to find out what has been left out.
And I can guarantee you one thing: the earlier an American African child has this revelation, the closer they will be to evolving into a complete, culturally and spiritually sound individual.
How powerful would it be if we learned the “truth” from the beginning, or at least, learned how to think critically and question the “truth” at all times? How powerful would it be if Black children were taught that some of their ancestors were here before Europe even existed?
Saturday, March 16th 2013 at 12:40AM
DAVID JOHNSON
The goal of this blog is to present this information in a way that is easily understood, in order to have a meaningful digital dialogue. Understanding some basic technical terms and concepts will encourage greater comprehension and a much more effective discussion. The following terminology list will facilitate comprehension.
Saturday, March 16th 2013 at 1:13AM
DAVID JOHNSON
*Definitions are drawn from several sources – Wikipedia, other online encyclopediasetc
Note: The blog administrator is open to taking suggestions to add to this list.
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Saturday, March 16th 2013 at 1:15AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Dr. Ivan Van Sertima
In Memoriam: Dr. Ivan Van Sertima (1935-2009)
The Africana Studies department mourns the loss of our beloved colleague and friend Dr. Ivan Van Sertima, who passed away peacefully at his Highland Park home on May 25th, 2009. Dr. Van Sertima was born in Georgetown, Guyana. He was educated at the School of Oriental and African Studies at London University, where he graduated with honors. From 1957 to 1959, he served as a Press and Broadcasting Officer in the Guyana Information Services. During the decade of the 1960s, he broadcasted weekly from Britain to both Africa and the Caribbean. He began his teaching career in Africana Studies at Rutgers in 1972 and retired as Professor of Africana Studies in 2005. Dr Van Sertima had a distinguished career a literary critic, a linguist, and an anthropologist, and has made important contributions in all three fields. Professor Van Sertima dedicated his professional life to telling “the true story of the African, to recover the essence of his early civilizations so that the tragedy of slavery, colonization, of myths about his fundamental inferiority may be destroyed forever.” He is the author and editor of numerous works and the founding editor of the Journal of African Civilizations. His most celebrated work, They Came Before Columbus: The African Presence in Ancient America, was first published in 1976 and is now in its 29th printing. As we miss Dr. Van Sertima’s physical presence, we remember the African proverb that “those who have died have never, never left. The dead are not under the earth, they are in the rustling trees, they are in the groaning woods…’Tis the Ancestors’ words when the fire’s voice is heard, ‘tis the Ancestors’ words in the voice of the water…” Thus Dr. Ivan Van Sertima will continue to be a powerful intellectual force in counteracting dominant myths and stereotypes of Africa’s contributions to human development.
Follow the link for an interview with Dr. Van Sertima published in The Black Experience in America (edited by Gayle T. Tate and Edward Ramsamy, 2006).
Terminology The history of the Pre-Columbian African presence in the Americas is one which has been hidden from the majority of people. There were at one point many indigenous Americans books, most of which were burned at one time or another by European conquerors of the “New World.” As a result, there are few written indigenous records, so supporting evidence for the Pre-Columbian African presence and influence in the Americas requires a multidisciplinary approach.
We must SHOW the world this history using evidence from academic/scientific fields such as anthropology, ethnography, cartography, craniology, archeology, and more. Needless to say, the information we must deal with can get a bit technical.
Saturday, March 16th 2013 at 1:57AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Hello to both David and Steve,
I am not going to argue or fight with either of you. I will say again that the author’s book is about Africans coming to the America’s before Columbus and believe that those Africans were Black Americans and I say no to that and that is all I have to say until you two come around to admit that the book is about Africans am I right. And, Black American are not Africans.
mr.davidJohnson writes----"The goal of this blog is to present this information in a way that is easily understood, in order to have a meaningful digital dialogue."
i, robertPowell-- will first Write that ---- YES, mrDJ----America was settled, explored and developed before our european ancestors by OUR westAfrican muslimAncestors.....800-1400----http://blackinamerica.com/content/234074/the-world-that-was-shaped-by-african-and-american-ancestors-800-1491
Posted By: powell robert -------Thursday, June 28th 2012 at 9:29AM
would YOU acKnowledge this?------ as your responses to myPost at bia about this SUBJECT --
-- youWrite:?????????????? ----"My scholarship ... the Holy Prophet of Islam as a true prophet of God who came after Christ to bring God's final law for the guidance of all mankind. Both Judaism and Christianity reject this claim. Hence, the religions split apart, and their similarities end when they begin to differ in opinion regarding Christ and Muhammad (peace be on them). Only Islam acknowledges the divine selection and prophethood of all three personages, while the other two do not. Yet all are deeply rooted in the fabric of monotheism. ....- a monumental amount of time to change and evolve in religion.......
You cant prove me WRONG ! Monday, February 25th 2013 at 12:41PM -------David Johnson
dj--exblogKing-------in TRUTH---- LAST month you had a comment about YOUR SUBJECT, myBLOG, after------8 MONTHS----and it had NOTHING to add-----to YOUR SUBJECT-----but yourMind continued antiIslaamic------ nonSense?
youFurther write ABOVE---?????? "To me, realizing the pre-Columbian African presence in the Americas was similar to the profound effect that learning about the Africanity of ancient Egypt and its glory, or about the African symbolism all over Washington, DC, had on me. The implications of these instances were so deep that it caused a “personal paradigm shift” each time.
After one experiences a “Kemetamorphosis” such as this, everything they come across is interpreted through a new, or “upgraded” lens."
“Kemetamorphosis” ---- ????????----kemets got on ships from where to where??????
Ke·met·a·mor·pho·sis
1.Deriving from two words: Kemet, the original name of the ancient civilization we now know as Egypt, which literally means “Nation of Black people,”(do egyptians BELIEVE this?) and
Metamorphosis, meaning a process of evolution and transformation.
2. A process involving Sankofa (West African term meaning “to go back and fetch” one’s ancestoral culture) and WHMY MSU (Kemetic term meaning “Repetition of the birth”).
sankofa is that arabic, mandinka, wolof, watusiLanguage?
3. Psychology/Cultural Awareness. A profound change in cultural awareness from one stage to the next in the cultural evolution of an American African.
4. An ongoing change of form, structure, or substance, as transformation by learning about Kemet (Ancient Egypt) and/or travel to Kemet, sharing this experience with others and inviting them to do the same.
dj writes: "The goal of this blog is to present this information in a way that is easily understood, in order to have a meaningful digital dialogue. Understanding some basic technical terms and concepts will encourage greater comprehension and a much more effective discussion. The following terminology list will facilitate comprehension. Saturday, March 16th 2013 at 1:13AM David Johnson Fields of Study -----Key Terms/Concepts -----Key Places/Regions -----Key People Language/Linguistic Saturday, March 16th 2013 at 1:15AM David Johnson
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steve/djOhnson ---- do the ORIGINAL people of 'kemet' in 2013 BELIEVE any of youALLs ----"research"??????????
and to 68 IQ harry, "black"KemetISM is NOT African or Egyptian..............
it was made and manufactured by guys who needed a job during affirmative action USA 70s like the GREAT guyananan --------Dr. Ivan Van Sertima?
IN MY OPINION--------actually the ONLY significant BOOK he EVER wrote was: ---- The Golden Age of the Moor
by Ivan Van Sertima
This work examines the debt owed by Europe to the Moors for the Renaissance and the significant role played by the African in the Muslim invasions of the Iberian peninsula......,
The Moors are shown to affect not only European mathematics and map-making, and ship building ........ it also examines the races and roots of the original North African before the later ethnic mix of the blackamoors and tawny Moors in the medieval period.
The Moors are shown to affect not only European mathematics........agriculture and architecture. The ethnicity of the Moor is re-examined.
THAT Dr. Van Sertima ---- BOOK would help YOUR SUBJECT here
Mr. Ivan book is about Africans. You, Steve is still talking about Africans and what makes you narrow-mind and stupid is that you are talking Africaism to a Black American and because of your stupidity you are not making the connection that I am a Black American and therefore Africansim is not my cup of tea.
I am not saying that Mr. Ivan is wrong about his love of Africanism. What I am saying about Mr. Ivan is that he thinks that Black Americans are African people and we are not.
So, Mr. Ivan’s teaching of Africanism to Black Americans is a NO, NO because I know who Black Americans are. God showed me that Black Americans are a new race of people born out of the ashes of plantation slavery and no one has said and prove that I am wrong am I right.
So, please back-up with that Africanism **** to me. I am a Black American for now.
If you post me that same **** about Mr. Ivan’s Africanism I will give this same reply since you can not show and prove that the descendents of plantation slaves are actually Africans.
Black Americans and I are not interest in the Holy Prophet of Islam because Black Americans are not Arab people.
Just as the Arabian people was given a prophet 1400 years ago by God, so was Black Americans about 3 years ago. So, the Arabian people is no better in the eyes of God than Black Americans are. The same God that anointed Mohammed, Jesus and Moses anointed me a Black American prophet for the race of Black Americans.
Irma, can you get dish service where you are? It would probably give you enough bandwidth to watch videos. I've watched quite a few of Sertima's lectures now, and the one about the pyramids was especially interesting. He does not suggest the Egyptians went to America directly. What he says is the technology of pyramid building spread from Egypt along North Africa to West Africa and thence to America. It was then adapted to the existing American culture, I think he says, starting around 800 BCE. The pyramid technology involved astronomy, and he shows many identities in the astronomical knowledge of the Egyptians and Olmecs. There are certain dissimilarities in the two pyramid types, and these are due to cultural/environmental adaptation. But the science, math and engineering used to construct them was the same.
I am not going to argue or fight with either of you. I will say again that the author’s book is about Africans coming to the America’s before Columbus and believe that those Africans were Black Americans and I say no to that and that is all I have to say until you two come around to admit that the book is about Africans am I right. And, Black American are not Africans."
What changed your mind?
What your problem is Harry is the "out of the ashes of slavery" part. You don't want to accept that Africans came here as a people with superior technology and mixed with the native American population. You think Africans in America started with slavery, but you are wrong. That's why your prophethood is doomed.
I wouldn’t a **** whether the Africans came here with superior knowledge or not because I am not an African. I am a Black American whose ancestors were born out of the ashes of plantation slavery in this country which makes Black Americans a new race of people.
Mr. Ivan’s Africanism doesn’t interest Black Americans and me, period. Talk to me about Black Americans. I say that Black Americans are a new race of people! We are not Jewish people to have the Jewish Jesus. We are not Arabian people to have the Arab Prophet Mohammed. We are not European Gentiles people to have their acceptance of the Jewish Jesus either.
We are Black Americans and therefore, our prophet must be a Black American as we are and as the Jewish and Arabian people are having a prophet that racially matches their race. Am I analytically reasoning?
My analytical reasoning is from God. God is constantly educating me that I can educate all Black Americans as well. We are soon to become a sovereign people as I’ve been saying for the past 3 years.
I am only interest in whether I am right or wrong. I am not interest in social dialoguing.
Irma, I'll check into dish technology regarding radar interference.
About the pyramids, we can't discount extra terrestrials or the possibility that the same discoveries could have occurred in different places independently. But there is also the fact of the Olmec heads. They have definite African features and is it more likely they depicted a people that evolved independently to look like Africans, or that they really were Africans?
Transfer of technology is a more likely scenario than independent development. And we do now understand how the pyramids were built. Dr. Sertima knew years ago about how ramps were built to transport the blocks, and some sort of process was used to make the blocks glide up the ramp. He made the analogy of pulling a heavy sled over ice. He didn't know what the process was, but suggested one possibility. I watched a video recently that suggested there were men assigned to spread oil on the ramps as the stone was being pulled up on a sled, that is, on runners. They showed this being done but I don't remember if it was a real stone.
I respectably don’t give a **** about the Egyptian and your ignorance. Black Americans produced me to save us and God saw fit to anoint me the prophet to serve Black Americans only as other people will have their turn to produce their own prophet and that is how God have by intelligent design set it up that way.
Sertima says the Egyptians knew about Sirius B even though it's invisible to the naked eye. He says they did this by using a dark room to dilate their pupils, and that African pupils dilate more than European. In addition to the dark room they looked through a small aperture in the wall to isolate the star from the rest of the night sky. He says these factors combined to create a natural telescopic effect.
African American : This ethnic designation refers to the people of African descent born in the United States, who are the descendants of formerly enslaved African people and other Africans who settled in the Americas long ago. By placing the word “American” in front of “African”, the emphasis is given to “African” because it becomes the noun, while “American” becomes the adjective, or type or tribal/cultural subset of African.
Sunday, March 17th 2013 at 7:22PM
DAVID JOHNSON
We must understand why the notion sounds so foreign to us. The academic and research institutions of different fields of study employ respected “experts” that decide what will be accepted as “standard” or conventional “knowledge” (which is just a belief based on the information available at any present moment). Most of these institutions or fields were developed under racist auspices — racism that becomes systemic. And this filters into the schools and all of our belief systems, thereby brainwashing the majority of us (I’m sure most of you didn’t get to read The Great Encounter: A Special Meeting Before Columbus by Patricia Pearcy while in elementary school)
Sunday, March 17th 2013 at 7:25PM
DAVID JOHNSON
The Great Encounter: A Special Meeting Before Columbus by Patricia Pearcy
This great story begins with school children eagerly waiting for their class to begin. Their teacher has promised them a spectacular story by Temujin, an African priest & storyteller. His story begins: Who discovered America? The children learn that long before Columbus came to the Americas, Africans came to the Americas, not as slaves but as traders, visitors & explorers & made significant contributions to the development of America. The children felt an inner pride about this & an outward eagerness to hear more about voyages made by African to the Americas before Columbus' arrival. In part II, Temujin tells a story based on n voyages reportedly made by Abubakari II, a Malian Emperor who led a fleet of 2,000 ships to America in 1311. The story beautifully portrays an African boy's fears about leaving his home, meeting the children in the New World, & resolving his fears through the relationship with his father. The end of Temujin's story describes the great encounter between the Africans, Ade', his father Priest Jabari, the native American, Coyote & his father, Chief Ottawa. They feel a deep, strong sense of connection--a kindred spirit & respect for each other & begin a life together.
Sunday, March 17th 2013 at 7:29PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Hello to all,
David says that Black Americans are the descendents of African slaves and he is wrong. I am not going to ask him any questions because he said he doesn’t answer questions. So, I am just going to say he is wrong.
Why he is wrong is because he has thrown out the window the systemic breeding process of the old White slave master that lasted 300 years out the window.
We know that all White men like Pres. Thomas Jefferson and George Washington fathered children with their slaves on consistent bases and these children are Black Americans and a new race of people. And, therefore we today are not African people.
I am saying something that no one has been knowledgeable of in the past 500 years. Dr. King, Elijah Muhammad and Mr. Farrakhan have no insight that we are a new race of people. They believe that we came from Africa and we did not!
Harry will just keep saying that nobody has said he's wrong.
Monday, March 18th 2013 at 1:40AM
Steve Williams
Steve,
I am proud to say that no one has or can say that I am wrong. If no one can say that you were wrong wouldn’t you be proud?
Being right is something to be proud of am I right. There is no profit in being wrong am I right about that as well.
I wear a badge of intelligence that no one else wears that is equal to mines. So, truly I am Black America’s first genuine prophet. Does that make sense to you?
well here we go again......BLOCK, DELETE, CHANGE from the 'black/whiteMan'
he deletes ME, but listens to hisGawd, the selfProfessed 'whiteMan'---- steve?
this is the BLOCK?
SUBJECT steve ----- We Came Before Columbus: Who Really Discovered the Americas
respect your 'blackBlogger'
BUT
respect African American Intelligent Families smashing stereotypes at BIA.... respect Science
whyWrite this??????????? --- "Sertima says the Egyptians knew about Sirius B even though it's invisible to the naked eye. He says they did this by using a dark room to dilate their pupils, and that African pupils dilate more than European."??????
and this got him the first 70s ---job in Africana Studies during affirmativeAction!
AND this
harry,
sweetIrma and herSON, Daughter and dr. PROVE to me that your 'blackPeople' are still CAPTIVES of this 'whiteGuy-gawd'
those colorWorshippers ----- in 2013---are STILL waiting for the 'whiteMan' steve to do the research, do the reading, come to the conclusions.....think for us ----- 'whiteMan'!----
sweetIRMA hasnt even READ well enough for 3 years to know that selfProfessed 68 IQ retardantHarry CLAIMS he is a prophat-------NOT a plantation gawd..............
so she asks YOU harryATIC---"HOW ABOUT CALLIN GSTEVE GOD BECAUSE HE DOES ALSO KNOW MORE ABOUT ME IN THE REAL WORLD"
he sure does.................he knows he is on an African American SITE for Families.....to SMASH misconceptions --- yet he strenghtens and reinforces those slave stereotypes....
I’ve said it often enough, but I will say it again! You are not in a position to criticize or set any David straight until you have set your self straight first.
I’ve told you and showed you that because you are not the same race as Prophet Mohammed you are wrong. You know that you are not an Arab man, but you are following the ways and customs of the Arabian people. That does not go over well with God.
Straighten yourself out first before you criticize others, idiot.
Again... for the 99.99th time... The GOD i serve is not black, white, gree, brown, purple nor pink... the WORD was with GOD; the WORD became flesh..
GOD is the creator of all things... Jesus is the son of GOD, We are all children of GOD;
Like Islam had a Prophet.. We Christians have Jesus ... Confuscious Apostle Paul Ashia .... we all have teachers that we be live to live by..
@Harry... Wasn't Abraham going to sacrifice his son Issac ... Didn't God instruct Noah to go build the Ark... Didn't you say GOD pulled you out of the ashes of slavery .. and made a covenant with you? Your quest for land and a people?
Well what GOD discussed with you is your testimony that no one can "contradict" your Savior, Your Promises!
Harry there are no more prophets, with the death and ressurection of Christ.. WE were left with a comforter. the Holy Spirit.. GOD said that many will come unto you in my name! His Chosen are given great spiritual gifts.. and powers beyond man's belief..
like you have said... I'm a Christian ... I am a Baptist! Not Muslim, Not Jewish, No Mormon...
I am a Christian.. and when I say my prayers... it's to My Heavenly Father (GOD)..
I never said that God had a color or a race. Please be as accurate as possible, I hate making mistakes.
In addition, you don’t serve any God because you don’t know anything about God. How any people come to know of God is always through their own prophet since the Spirit of God resides in that prophet. No other people or prophet can introduce you to God except it is an anointed prophet of your own race. No people or prophet taught the Israelites about God except an Israelite prophet.
I never said that God pulled me out of the ashes and made a covenant with me. That was Prophet Abraham’s testimony. We as a people are very ignorant and mis-led people. But, soon we will be right.
Who told you that there are no more prophets? Only God can say whether there will not be any more prophets because God anoints prophets and I am living proof that you are wrong.
You don’t seem to understand that the Jewish Jesus can do nothing for you because Jesus and you are racially different. It was the race of the Jewish people that produced Jesus. It was the race of the Arabian people that produced the Arab prophet Mohammed. Can’t you read something out of that Cynthia? It is the race of Black Americans that produced me a genuine Black American prophet.
The stuff you know is what the European Gentiles taught you and that is why you are wrong. Bad habits are hard to change.
For you to be right you will have to show that I am wrong why prophets are racially different and that you can’t do because it is true that prophets are racially different and you can not align yourself with a prophet and religion that is racially different from you and that is the bottom line.
I'm watching it again and will let you know at what point in the lecture it occurs.
As far as visual acuity, I'm not an Ophthalmologist and couldn't understand most of what I found. But here is something interesting.
Abstract
Taylor, H. R. (International Center for Epidemiologic and Preventive Ophthalmology, The Wilmer Institute, The Johns Hopkins Medical Institutions, Baltimore, MD 21205). Racial variations in vision. Am J Epidemiol 1981; 113: 62–80.
This study determined the distributions of uncorrected visual acuity and of refractive error in representative groups of Australian Aborigines and Australians of European origin aged 20–30 years. The methodology used in this study and its verification are described in detail. As a group, the Aborigines have significantly better visual acuity than the Europeans. This was true for both monocular and binocular vision. Some Aborigines have acuities below the previous postulated threshold levels. Aborigines as a group also have less myopia—In particular, less high myopia—and less astigmatism than Europeans. The mean refraction for Aborigines is about half a diopter more hypermetropic than that for Europeans, although there is not an excess of high hypermetropia in Aborigines. The lack of high refractive errors suggests that the Aborigines may not possess the genes that cause abnormal axial lengths usually associated with high refractive errors in Europeans. The superior vision of the Aborigines persisted, however, when comparing groups which were essentially emmetropic. Therefore, It appears to be a true racial difference which is not explicable on the grounds of variation in refractive error but may result from finer retinal organization or better cerebral Integration of visual stimuli.
"Some Aborigines have acuities below the previous postulated threshold levels".
There is a chart that shows visual acuity from 20/200 down to 20/10, so the above statement may mean better than 20/10. I'm still searching some of the other terms.
Comparing magnitudes with aperture becomes a logarithm challenge. Let's start with the human eye. It has a 7mm entrance pupil and can see 6th magnitude stars. We'll use that as our starting point to calculate apertures with magnitudes.
In the human eye, pupil diameter ranges between approximately 2 and 8 mm. Pupil diameter has a large effect on the optical transfer function of the eye, as illustrated in Figure 1. Pupil size also has a direct effect on depth of field, as well as on retinal illuminance, which in turn influences contrast sensitivity. For these and other reasons, it is often desirable to estimate the pupil size for a given set of conditions when actual measurements are unavailable. Based on available data, various formulas have been proposed to predict pupil diameter. However, none of the existing formulas incorporate the combined effects of the observer's age, the size of the adapting field, and monocular versus binocular stimulation, all of which are known to have a significant impact on pupil size. The purpose of this note is to review these formulas, convert them all to a common format and common units, and propose a unified formula that includes the effects of luminance, age, monocular adaptation, and field size.
Really Harry, seek a psychologist.
Tuesday, March 19th 2013 at 1:40AM
Steve Williams
OK... now that we all agree...
You don't want to accept that Africans came here as a people with superior technology and mixed with the native American population. You think Africans in America started with slavery, but you are wrong. That's why your prophethood is doomed.
Saturday, March 16th 2013 at 3:13PM Steve Williams
If we study the Pangea I would accept the fact that this world infact was a Super Continent... ...
I see that you I have exhausted your knowledge. You can show the connection that Black Americans are the descendents of any Africans that came to this continent before Columbus.
The author does not realize that Black Americans are a new race of people, but you do since you have seen me prove it.
Even Mr. James Sanford said that he had never heard any one say and proved that Black Americans are a new race of people born out of the ashes of plantation slavery.
So, if you believe the non-sense that Africans were explorers before Columbus and discovered the Americas still would not have anything to do with Black Americans. Since Black Americans are racially different from Africans.
By now you aught to see how important it is that race will always matter unless the entire world could become one race and that is not God desire.
We must say racially different for the good of the physical earth sometime down the road I’ll explain it to you.
I told Steve and I’ll tell you again. Black Americans and Africans are two people that are racially different. I’ve explained so many times to you and still you don’t grasp it.
Black Americans came out of plantation slavery in this country and Africans did not. The most that the Africans suffered at the hands of White people was colonization in Africa. Black Americans were never colonized since we never had a country of our own.
What the author is doing is mis-takenly combining Black Americans and Africans as one people and so are you following behind the dumb-ass author. The author is over looking the 300 years of the breeding process during plantation slavery that brought forth a new race of people known today as Black Americans.
It is stupid and irrational to believe that we are the same Africans that were brought to this continent 500 years ago.
SUBJECT fellows----- We Came Before Columbus: Who Really Discovered the Americas
mr.davidJohnson---"The goal of this blog is to present this information in a way that is easily understood, in order to have a meaningful digital dialogue."
i like the SUBJECT ---'before africanHumiliation, before Ignorant RACISM, before 'white'Supremacy, before the europeanGawd...but let me also get offSUBJECT.....
no steve,
you were not summarizing----
you were pontificating and have been for someTIME -- or should i write, placating the lost african, the heathen, the slave.....?
BIA is for African American Families to Smash olde Stereotypes--Misconceptions.....
harry, david, dr.Artis, sweetIrma ARE perfect WRITING examples of oldeStereotypes
examples:
1.harry is a selfProfessed 68 IQ retardant that BELIEVES, some Americans are 'black'---made by 'whites' ---different than Africans
2. dj, was once a blogKing --- 'blackMarine' WHO believes that only American 'black' is beautiful
3. drArtis writes:----Again... for the 99.99th time... The GOD i serve is not black, white, gree, brown, purple nor pink... the WORD was with GOD; the WORD became flesh.. GOD is the creator of all things... ----------------------"Jesus is the son of GOD"
4. sweetIrma bails them all out of jail
ALL of these 4 BIA writers, present a 'blackAmerica'----based on ONLY ignorant RACIST, slaverAmericana 1492-1864 ----the "black"GENESIS
------harry could NEVER have espoused this hisMind only thinking in AFRICA ------dj could NEVER have espoused his brutishBIG 'blackMan' persona in AFRICA
------dr.Artis --- KNOWS that jews -------- the GENESIS of the WORD-------DO NOT BELIEVE that 'latinJesus' is ANYTHING in THEIR faith of the Creator of Adaam(as)------nothing by jewish standards as divine...............
SO this SUBJECT of ------before -----COLUMBUS is from a 'bigBlack' stereotypical 'man' in a ghettoBarbershop SHOUTING
......AND his major commentors are WAITING for the selfProfessed 'whiteMan' of BIA, STEVE to research for them
My summary followed Irma's comment and as you know, Irma is not able to watch these videos on her home connection. My summary was not quite correct, in that he said that although the Egyptians used these techniques for their astronomical observations, it could not explain their knowledge of Sirius B.
I gave you the link to Van Sertima's lecture and even the minute/second where you can hear what he actually said, versus my summary. But no comment?
I also have an interest in Thor Heyerdahl, a Norwegian, who sailed a balsa raft 6000 miles across the Pacific from Peru to Polynesia. He also sailed across the Atlantic from Africa to South America.
In 1969 and 1970, Heyerdahl built two boats from papyrus and attempted to cross the Atlantic Ocean from Morocco in Africa. Based on drawings and models from ancient Egypt, the first boat, named Ra (after the Egyptian Sun god), was constructed by boat builders from Lake Chad using papyrus reed obtained from Lake Tana in Ethiopia and launched into the Atlantic Ocean from the coast of Morocco. After a number of weeks, Ra took on water after its crew made modifications to the vessel that caused it to sag and break apart. The ship was abandoned and the following year, another similar vessel, Ra II, was built of totora by Demetrio, Juan and Jose Limachi from Lake Titicaca in Bolivia and likewise set sail across the Atlantic from Morocco, this time with great success. The boat reached Barbados, thus demonstrating that mariners could have dealt with trans-Atlantic voyages by sailing with the Canary Current.
As far as Sirius B, I've found no compelling evidence that the Egyptians knew of it. If you do a search on it you will find it is connected with the Dogon people.
from ^^^ darr you say this: ------dr.Artis --- KNOWS that jews -------- the GENESIS of the WORD------
((-DO NOT BELIEVE that 'latinJesus' is ANYTHING in THEIR faith of the Creator of Adaam(as)))------nothing by jewish standards as divine...............
what say you? Are you trying to say that theLatin Jesus; my SaviorLatin Jesus ... ain't nuttin but a Jew!!??
He's OUR FATHER'S SON....
Now quite naturally that is wear Judaism (does not accept Jesus as the son of GOD, and believes the Messiah will come at the end) and Christianity divide... Of Course Malachi in the O.T. speaks of the coming of the Messiah...
SUBJECT fellows----- We Came Before Columbus: Who Really Discovered the Americas
no,
dr.--------you do not comprehend AND steve...............
REREAD the above ---- the JEWISH people of ISRAEL and OTHER parts of the WORLD since 2013+++++++have NEVER or will EVER say/Write------ that latinJesus is ANYTHING in Their Monotheistic thoughts from the Creator of Adaam(as)....not even a prophet......
so!---- you and the other latinJesus believers want Judaism to SUBMIT -------to the same MESSAGE that the paganChristian, slaverAmericana made the africanSlave submit to WITH the COLUMBUS ARRIVAL to 'new'World.....Racist, ignorant 'blackieWhitie' --- nonSense?
Steve, comeON man-----you knew this moment would come-----a selfProfessed 'whiteGuy' on BIA, site for African American Families wanting to SMASH stereotypes....
Pleeeeeeeze --- in my opinion
again, YOU are REINFORCING ----- with your critique of harry, your support for the 'bigBlack' guy and your patronage of sweetIrma----that the 'whiteGuy' is ALWAYS the VERIFIER....?
___________________AS FOR THE steveDiverson-----pharoah and thor......
why did 1950-1960s --thinker--thorHeyerdhal ------go to MOROCCO and ETHIOPIA to verify his outlandish 'polynesian'Mariner idea----in my opinion ----he TOO did not respect AFRICA, AFRICAN History, African Science and African Scholarship.
thor worked with Muslims to build BOATS from African Materials using the Science of Africans to sail from AFRICA to AMERICA.....as some AFRICANS may have traveled WELL before the VIKINGS---
yet this SUBJECT here has ALREADY been VERIFIED by Columbus seeing Muslims from AFRICA----praying in Masjids in the Americas.......and the MINING of Minerals in nativeAmerican lands by Muslims from Africa ------the West/North and MiddleEast African Nations.........Geographically I, claim that Africa INCLUDES the Present nations of The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman and the Emirates....as well as morocco to egypt to capetown..............
Steve, dr., harry, sweetIrma and ex blogKing -------i comment at BIA because I LIKED the BIA PREAMBLE ---for African AMerican Familes to SMASH stereotypes of the oldeNegro ERA and to comment with........Mrs. María de la Soledad Teresa O'Brien
myWritings ---inspired by jenFad,represent a Free Man, not a stereotype that Our President Baraaka Hussein Obama asks USA to change......
i AM olde but i KNOW that everything changes, develops, evolves with History, Scholarship and Science --- The Family of Adaam(as) may have different opinons but ALL men ARE CREATED equal --- by their Creator......
and this jenFad inspired Writer at BIA is a Free Man...............
REREAD the above ---- the JEWISH people of ISRAEL and OTHER parts of the WORLD since 2013+++++++have NEVER or will EVER say/Write------ that latinJesus is ANYTHING in Their Monotheistic thoughts from the Creator of Adaam(as)....not even a prophet...
@Robert BUT YOU BEG THAT PROPHET MOHAMMAD,,,,is real .....
Tuesday, March 19th 2013 at 8:09PM
DAVID JOHNSON
where the hell is prophet HARRY ,,in this equation,,?????
Tuesday, March 19th 2013 at 8:14PM
DAVID JOHNSON
SUBJECT fellows----- We Came Before Columbus: Who Really Discovered the Americas
factually incorrect statement. So-called 'modern day Jewish people' are not the subject matter of the Biblical text. Modern day Jewry came to Biblical affiliation in relatively recent times after the crusades of Europe and the decline of Moorish Spain, so we're talking between the 10th and 12th centuries CE.
The Olmec were the first major civilization in Mexico. They lived in the tropical lowlands of south-central Mexico, in the modern-day states of Veracruz and Tabasco. The Olmec flourished during Mesoamerica's Formative period, dating roughly from as early as 1500 BCE to about 400 BCE. Pre-Olmec cultures had flourished in the area since about 2500 BCE, but by 1600–1500 BCE Early Olmec culture had emerged centered around the San Lorenzo Tenochtitlán site near the coast in southeast Veracruz. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olmec
The ancient West African coastal and interior Kingdoms occupied an area that is now covered with dense vegetation but may have been cleared about three to four thousand years ago. This includes the regions from the coasts of West Africa to the South, all the way inland to the Sahara. A number of large kingdoms and empires existed in that area. According to Blisshords Communications, one of the oldest empires and civilizions on earth existed just north of the coastal regions into what is today Mauritania. It was called the Zingh Empire and was highly advanced. In fact, they were the first to use the red, black and green African flag and to plant it throughout their territory all over Africa and the world. http://raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/...
Why do you ignorant Black American people argue, fuss and fight about other people’s prophets when you should be concern about who your own prophet is?
Wednesday, March 20th 2013 at 8:27AM
Harry Watley
dj Johnson ---- HIS OWN SUBJECT- "We Came Before Columbus: Who Really Discovered the Americas"
djTRASH writing--"@Robert ----BUT YOU BEG THAT PROPHET MOHAMMAD,,,,is real ..... Tuesday, March 19th 2013 at 8:09PM David Johnson
Prophet Mohamed(saw) IS the MOST quoted LEADER in the HISTORY of the WORLD....
and the cartoonEX blagKing de*****ATES this Historical, Scholastic and Scientific FACT?
and WANTS BIA----the African American Family Site of Intelligent Americans to believe some outlandish --- paganPharoahnic, olmecChristian connections........
YES INDEED WE CAN NOW TALK IN PEACE WITH ALL THE UNWANTED PEST ,,,NOW I CAN TRY TO BRING IN NEW MEMBERS ! THANK YOU JESUS ! Wednesday, October 13th 2010 at 9:04PM David Johnson
Even a savage such as Adam has shown more respect and regard for the people present than you in all of your eagerness. When people speed they get tickets and cause accidents.....are you a walking acciddent Mozell? That was not a question. Let Adam be your role model....after all it was your Ancestors who taught the savages.
Adam: Let me explain to you how a lie works. First, those telling the lie must first convince themselves that the lie they seek to tell...is in fact 'Truth'. The people writing what you have posted below are no less victims of their ignorance of the historical record as were the many on this page. Here's the problem Adam, and until you understand this....it will be difficult for you or anyone who does not understand this to ....move forward. I will describe the quicksand you are sinking in.You are now falling victim to your former training...making your self prone for defeat in debate. Here's why: Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 6:44PM Christine Govenor
What has President Obama done to change the ghetto conditions in America, has there been a start, will this be a priority in his second term, what can we the people offer him as positive ideas to promote the change of ghetto conditions in America? Sunday, November 25th 2012 at 1:59PM Steve Williams
ask Robert Powell what happen when he tried that Islamic **** how fast his ass got kicked off and even on this site robert got kicked off and came back with a differant name ,,,,,,,,,oh steve dont you got another name you go by as well ?? Sunday, November 25th 2012 at 2:55PM David Johnson
Yeah I do, Adam Fate. I am just about to review that. Sunday, November 25th 2012 at 2:59PM Steve Williams
The history of the Pre-Columbian African presence in the Americas is one which has been hidden from the majority of people. There were at one point many indigenous Americans books, most of which were burned at one time or another by European conquerors of the “New World.” As a result, there are few written indigenous records, so supporting evidence for the Pre-Columbian African presence and influence in the Americas requires a multidisciplinary approach.
We must SHOW the world this history using evidence from academic/scientific fields such as anthropology, ethnography, cartography, craniology, archeology, and more. Needless to say, the information we must deal with can get a bit technical.
The goal of this blog is to present this information in a way that is easily understood, in order to have a meaningful digital dialogue. Understanding some basic technical terms and concepts will encourage greater comprehension and a much more effective discussion.
Wednesday, March 20th 2013 at 9:05AM
DAVID JOHNSON
1. FIELDS OF STUDY <–Back to top Anthropology: the study of humankind, in particular, the comparative study of human societies and cultures and their development. Cartography: the science or practice of drawing maps. Craniology: the scientific study of the shape and size of the skulls of different human races. (also called phrenology) Ethnography: the scientific description of the customs of individual peoples and cultures. Philology: the study of language in written historical sources; as such it is a combination of literary studies, history and linguistics. Serology: the scientific study or diagnostic examination of blood serum, esp. with regard to the response of the immune system to pathogens or introduced substances. 2. KEY TERMS/CONCEPTS <–Back to top 25th Dynasty of Egypt: The 25th Dynasty of Kemet (Egypt) was the 4th and final “Golden Age” of Egypt (coined by Dr. ASA Hillard, III) and occurred between the years of 760 BCE and 656 BCE. It was an African Renaissance.* Because it was clearly a consolidation of power by the Ku****e kings of Nubia (the Nile Valley Civilization South of Kemet, which was Kemet’s predecessor). Prior to this, Kemet was in the middle of a period of decline resulting from internal divisions and foreign occupation (Assyrians). In They Came Before Columbus, Dr. Ivan Van Sertima presents evidence that Kemetic ships travelled to the Americas during this time and influenced the Olmec Civilization, which was the predecessor to all other great American Civilizations. *(conventional Egyptology, which is institutionally rigid and racist, categorizes this dynasty as the “first Black Pharoahs” – a ludicrous notion because all Kemetic dynasties were Black African until Alexander “the Great” took over Kemet in 332 BCE) A.C.E.: “After (the) Common Era” – (Known to Christians as “A.C.”, meaning “After Christ”) all time after the year zero. For example, if an event occurred 50 years after what is accepted as the birth of Jesus the Krist, then it would be 50 A.C.E. Activist Scholar: A scholar who regularly engages in activities outside of the classroom (such as study tours or organizing conferences or editing books) that promote education of specific subject areas or concepts. This scholar is motivated by a higher cause believing that a heightening of historical knowledge will result in a heightening of consciousness in people. Examples include Dr. Ivan Van Sertima, Runoko Rashidi and Anthony Browder. American African: This ethnic designation refers to the people of African descent born in the United States, who are the descendants of formerly enslaved African people and other Africans who settled in the Americas long ago. By placing the word “American” in front of “African”, the emphasis is given to “African” because it becomes the noun, while “American” becomes the adjective, or type or tribal/cultural subset of African. Ancient: belonging to the very distant past; time period between the beginning of recorded history (Kemet – 4000-5000 B.C.E.) until the “Middle Ages” (about 500 A.C.E.) Assay: the testing of a metal or ore to determine its ingredients and quality Alloy: a metal made by combining two or more metallic elements, esp. to give greater strength or resistance to corrosion B.C.E.: : “Before (the) Common Era” – (known to Christians as BC or “Before Christ”) all time before the year zero. For example, if an event occurred 50 years before what is accepted as the birth of Jesus the Krist, then it would be 50 BCE. Kemetamorphosis (coined by Lisa Douglas): Deriving from two words: 1. Kemet, the original name of the ancient civilization we now know as Egypt, which literally means “Nation of Black people,” and 2. Metamorphosis, meaning a process of evolution and transformation; 2. A process involving Sankofa (West African term meaning “to go back and fetch” one’s ancestoral culture) and WHMY MSU (Kemetic term meaning “Repetition of the birth”). 3. Psychology/Cultural Awareness. A profound change in cultural awareness from one stage to the next in the cultural evolution of an American African; 4. An ongoing change of form, structure, or substance, as transformation by learning about Kemet (Ancient Egypt) and/or travel to Kemet, sharing this experience with others and inviting them to do the same. Medieval: of or relating to the Middle Ages, roughly dating between 500 and 1500 A.C.E. Pre-historic: of or relating to, or denoting the period before written record. Written record begins in Africa roughly at LEAST 7,000 years ago. 3. KEY PLACES/REGIONS <–Back to top Africa – “Af-Rui-Ka”: One of many proposed explanations for the origin of the name “Africa.” Gerald Massey, in the Book of Beginnings presents this theory based on his reading of the Kemetic Medu Neter (hieroglyphs). This literally means “To turn toward the birthplace or origin” or spiritual birthplace. AF = “To turn toward” RI=”opening” KA = “Energetic double of the Self” African: Normally this geographical designation simply refers to a a person whose direct lineage is from the continent of Africa. At Djihouti Communications, we believe that this term holds one to a higher standard. To TRULY be African, as Dr. Asa Hilliard, III emphasized, is to be genuinely spiritually-oriented (which is traditional African culture) and conscious in all affairs, as well as to proclaim and epitomize one’s Africanity free from fear and feelings of superiority or inferiority. Americas: Continuous land mass of two continents that stretches from the Southern most tip of Chile and Argentina in South America to the top of Canada in North America. It is most likely named after Amerigo Vespucci, a 15th Century Italian explorer, cartographer and navigator. Bering Straight: : a sea strait between Russia, the easternmost point of Asia, and Alaska, USA, the westernmost point of North America. The Bering Strait has been the subject of scientific speculation that humans migrated from Asia to North America across a land bridge at a time when lower ocean levels exposed a ridge beneath the ocean (such a land bridge would be called the Bering Isthmus, or land bridge, or Beringia. This would have allowed humans to walk from Siberia to Alaska, thus populating North and South America. Conventional knowledge tells us that Mongolians (Asians) migrated across here 1000s of years ago in several waves thereby populating North America and becoming what we know as Native Americans. However, several scholars, including Dr. David Imhotep and Dr. Runoko Rashidi, have presented evidence that African peoples, specifically the Twa people of Central Africa (known as the “Pygmies”), likely came across the Bering Straight and settled in the Americas 1000s of years before other ethnic groups. (strait = a narrow, navigable channel of water that connects two larger navigable bodies of water) Cape Verde: An archipelago island country consisting of 10 islands about 350 miles off the coast of Senegal, West Africa. Columbus and other Europeans reported seeing Africans use these islands as a port while traveling across the Atlantic Ocean. The islands were a valuable Portuguese colony until the country’s independence in 1975. Kemet: The original name of the ancient civilization now called the Arab Republic of Egypt. This civilization’s influence is worldwide and multi-faceted (see Tony Browder’s Nile Valley Contributions to Civilization). The word Kemet literally means “nation of the black people.” Empire of Mali: (1230-1600 ACE) A West African empire of the Mandinka tribe. The empire was founded by Sundiata and became renowned for the wealth of its rulers, especially Mansa Musa I. The Mali Empire had many profound cultural influences on West Africa, allowing the spread of its language, laws and customs along the Niger River. In 1310, the Emperor Abubakari, II sent a fleet of 400 ships to find what lay across the Atlantic. After some time, a ship returned and its captain said that upon encountering a strong current, the others ships “pulled out to sea and disappeared.” Abubakari, II’s burning desire to know what lands lay across the sea drove him to lead a second expedition with 3,000 ships in 1311. He never returned, but evidence laid out in They Came Before Columbus strongly suggests that they arrived on the American continent and had a profound impact on the culture of the indigenous people there. Mayan Civilization: (2000 B.C.E. – 250 A.C.E.) a highly-sophisticated Mesoamerican civilization, noted for the only known fully developed written language of the pre-Columbian Americas, as well as for its art, architecture, and mathematical and astronomical systems. The Mayan were influenced by the earlier Olmec Civilization. Meso-America: The region and culture area in the Americas, extending approximately from central Mexico to Belize, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, and Costa Rica, within which a number of pre-Columbian societies flourished before the Spanish colonization of the Americas in the 16th and 17th centuries. Olmec Civilization: (click here to see a short clip in which Dr. Van Sertima breaks down the significance of the Olmec) The Olmec Civilization (1500 – 400 B.C.E.) was located in Mexico and predated and influenced the more well-known Mayan Civilization of the same region. Although it consisted of several ethnic/cultural elements, there is a great deal of evidence to suggest African people had a very significant impact on its culture. Pyramids, which originate in Africa, were built by the Mayans. Also, gigantic, multiple-ton head busts were built all over South and Central America by the Olmecs. These heads very obviously depict African people and culture. Pangaea: the supercontinent that existed during the Paleozoic and Mesozoic eras about 250 million years ago, before today’s continents were separated into their current configuration. (see photo) Pre-Columbian: Refers to all things occurring in the Americas before Columbus accidentally got caught in an oceanic trade wind and ended up in the Caribbean in 1492. Pyramid (Mir*): A pyramid is a structure where the outer surfaces are triangular and converge at a point. The base of a pyramid can be trilateral, quadrilateral, or any polygon shape, meaning that a pyramid has at least three triangular surfaces (at least four faces including the base). The square pyramid, with square base and four triangular outer surfaces, is a common version. The most famous pyramids are in Giza, Egypt, but others can be found all over Eastern Africa and in the Americas. Conventional scholarship tells us that they were meant to be only tombs, however, there is great evidence to suggest that they were used for many other purposes including for sophisticated spiritual purposes (see the work of Robert Buvall). *Mir = “Place of ascension” – original Kemetic name of “pyramids” 4. KEY PEOPLE <–Back to top Abu-Bakr II: In 1310, the Emperor Abubakari, II sent a fleet of 400 ships to find what lay across the Atlantic. After some time, a ship returned and its captain said that upon encountering a strong current, the others ships “pulled out to sea and disappeared.” Abubakari, II’s burning desire to know what lands lay across the sea drove him to lead a second expedition with 3,000 ships in 1311. He never returned, but evidence laid out in They Came Before Columbus strongly suggests that they arrived on the American continent and had a profound impact on the culture of the indigenous people there. Alexander Von Wuthenau: A German diplomat and art collector who lived in Mexico for more than 20 years and owned the world’s premiere collection of American statues that exhibited clearly African features. It was seeing this collection that cemented Dr. Ivan Van Sertima’s belief of the strong African presence in the Americas and dedication to researching that subject (click here to see Dr. Von Wuthenau display his collection) Amerigo Vespucci: a 15th Century Italian explorer, cartographer and navigator. America is likely named after him. Bishop Diego de Landa (1524–1579): a Spanish Bishop of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Yucatán. His writings on the Mayan Civilization, however, it was his actions which destroyed much of that civilization’s history, literature, and traditions. In fact, he literally burned many Mayan books: About this, he said “We found a large number of books…as they contained nothing in which were not to be seen as superstition and lies of the devil, we burned them all, which they (the Maya) regretted to an amazing degree, and which caused them much affliction. (Ambivalent Conquests: Maya and Spaniard in Yucatan) by Inga Clenniden Dr. Ivan Van Sertima: The great Guyanese scholar whose work on the subject of this blog inspired the creation of the blog. Click here to learn more. Leo Weimer: The German linguist who wrote Africa and the Discovery of the Americas, a 3 volume book the relies on linguistic ties between Africa and the Americas to prove contact. Reading this book was Dr. Van Sertima’s introduction to this concept. Thor Heyrdayl: The Norwegian ethnographer and adventurer whose expedition across the Atlantic helped prove the validity of the claim that Africans could easily have travelled across the Atlantic thousands of years ago. In 1969 and 1970, Heyerdahl built two boats from papyrus and attempted to cross the Atlantic from Morocco in Africa. Based on drawings and models from ancient Kemet, the first boat, named Ra, was constructed by boat builders from Lake Chad in the Republic of Chad using papyrus reed obtained from Lake Tana in Ethiopia and launched into the Atlantic Ocean from the coast of Morocco. After a number of weeks, Ra took on water after its crew made modifications to the vessel that caused it to sag and break apart (within only one weeks distance from Barbados). The ship was abandoned and the following year, another similar vessel, Ra II, was built by boatmen from Lake Titicaca in Bolivia and likewise set sail across the Atlantic from Morocco, this time with great success. The boat reached Barbados, thus demonstrating that mariners could have dealt with trans-Atlantic voyages by sailing with the Canary Current. 5. LANGUAGE/LINGUISTICS
Wednesday, March 20th 2013 at 9:14AM
DAVID JOHNSON
David prove those lies that you tell! I don't care about the multidisciplinary approach. Prove what you say is true!
Wednesday, March 20th 2013 at 9:19AM
Harry Watley
Where is your evidence they are lies Harry? Where is your evidence they are outlandish --- paganPharoahnic, olmecChristian connections........ Robert?
Wednesday, March 20th 2013 at 4:24PM
Steve Williams
Let us pause and give homage to Dr. Carter G. Woodson founder of Negro History Week in 1926, and the African-British history month was introduced in 1987 by Linda Bellos both are appreciated in our contemporary world. And also, we must pay tribute to countless activists, organizations and governmental agencies that are celebrated annually. African communities everywhere owe them a debt of gratitude.
However, we must not forget our ancestors and its history. If we do, we are negating thousands and thousand of years of our heritage. Africa is complex with over 2000 cultures, with different languages, traditions, and having histories of their own.
During the 17th and 18th centuries, history was written by the Europeans that was mostly, distortions and misconceptions in order to justify and maintained their world dominance. Therefore, it’s important for Africans from all walks of life to relearn history from their own perspective. African history month function is to address this issue, and “MONTH” will be every month. In other words, it begins January 1st and ends December 31st , representing every day, week and month in the year.
Most importantly, existing celebrations, and histories should be unified into one cultural forum. During a year, every day, week and month will have its own importance presenting history from ancient cultures to the present-day. However, there will be two sacred days; January 1st and March 1st. Both having their own significance.
January 1st, 1804 is to celebrate the Saint Dominique slaves whom won their independence from France, declaring the Republic of Haiti, in honor of the original inhabitants. Marking, the only time in recent history Africans fought and won their independence from an European power.
And also, on March 1st, 1896, Emperor Menelik II and his Empress Taytu decisively, defeated the Italians on the battle field in Adowa, Ethiopia, the only African country that entered into the 20th century that escaped Colonialism. Additionally, Ethiopia not only won independence but maintained their culture, including their written language and calendar. Indeed, these two events are special and should be recognized by Africans worldwide. Besides these sacred days, The last seven days in December will honor Kwanza seven days of activities. The other remaining days will be optional from established worldwide traditions, serving several purposes.
We must give homage to already existing holidays around the world. There are other days that must be considered, such as, Marcus Garvey’s, mass-movement (Jamaica), Kwame Nkrumah, father of African nationalism (Ghana), and African Day. And other events, will be discretionary. And also, on March 1st, 1896, Emperor Menelik II and his Empress Taytu decisively, defeated the Italians on the battle field in Adowa, Ethiopia, the only African country that entered into the 20th century that escaped Colonialism. Additionally, Ethiopia not only won independence but maintained their culture, including their written language and calendar that date back over a thousand years. Indeed, these two events are special and should be recognized by Africans worldwide. Besides these sacred days, the last seven days beginning December 26, will honor Kwanza cultural ceremonies.
There are other days that must be considered. Here are a few examples, honoring Marcus Garvey’s mass-movement that has not been duplicated until this day, Kwame Nkrumah, modern father of African nationalism (Ghana), and African Day, an annual commemoration of the 1963 founding of the Organization of African Unity (OAU), presently recognized as the Africa Union (AU).
The Olmec civilization was the first in the Americas African history month will address both ancient artifacts and contemporary events, but most importantly representing histories under one cultural umbrella.
Moreover, in order to learn African history, both the Arab and European conquests must be understood. First, we must bring attention to the Arab invasion of north Africa in 652 AD, followed by the Trans-Sahara slave trade that began earlier, and lasted longer than the Europeans quest.
In the Americas, the world recognizes current occupants are not the native inhabitants. Moreover, the world has the impression that Arabs are indigenous to North Africa. In the contemporary world, North Africa is the home of six Arab countries, South America, and North America was created by the Diaspora’s. And also, Africa has been partitioned into over fifty countries by the Berlin conference in 1884. Consequently, geographies of the world have been changed due to these three events.
To some degree, Africans are still living these legacies because its history has been the most suppressed in the world. The deliberate distortion was design to fit in with a western perception of Africa that continues to cultivate disunity by perpetuating a view of Africa and African people as unorganized, uncivil, unoriginal, and sub-human.
Words like “Negro” and “boy” were used to dehumanize and a disconnection from Africa. This attack lasted for generations causing a devastating effect everywhere.The teaching of African history during the Diaspora’s and colonialism was forbidden. Its own culture was removed and substituted with western cultures. In the Americas, Columbus’s so-called discovery was glorified and in England, the focus was on accomplishments of Queen Victoria, and Admiral Nelson exploits, and in France, it was Napoleon Bonaparte achievements. Europeans have always robbed Africans of their accomplishments by crediting foreigners or non-Africans. Among them are the pyramids, Carthage, Moorish empire, and African kingdoms, also, great Zimbabwe and Kilwa ruins in East Africa.Most disturbing is the continuation of specious claims even when the evidence and artifacts contradict the distortions. As far as there are concern Africa’s history, and achievements are too magnificent for them to acknowledge despite the fact they know the origin is African. In the past, there were historians whom unravel distortions about history that is now available for everyone. Among historians were, John Henrik Clarke, Chancellor Williams, J A Rogers, Asa Hillard II, Chekh Ada Diops. Ivan Van Sertima and many others. Today, there are scores of historians whom report history accurately.
Wednesday, March 20th 2013 at 5:06PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Africans from all walks of life must identify and learn basic events that have been grossly misrepresented. World history began at the heart of Africa and spread throughout the continent. The main method of development was its waterways of the Nile, Niger and the Congo Rivers. And the world shared from the development of farming, domestication of animals and fishing and these contributions led to the development of other civilizations. There were over 300 kingdoms and Empires at both ends of the continent, some lasting only for a few centuries others flourished for millenniums.
In today’s world, even though not verbalized some people still maintain the idea that Africans has not made any meaningful contributions to civilization. However, these issues have been addressed by noted past and present historians in addition to the Internet has unraveled distortions and misconceptions at an accelerating pace. In today’s world, there is no need to acknowledge these silly allegations.
Africa and its history are thousands of years old and because of modern technology it’s expanding in both directions. Everyday, new discoveries and ancient artifacts are constantly being found, and African history month can be the cultural forum to identify and incorporate them into on going presentations.
Now is the time for African’s worldwide to codify their history into one gigantic cultural forum. African history month is the inclusion of heroes, heroines, celebrations and events in all five continents.
Currently, African-Americans and Africans celebrate a multitude of holidays, heroes and events throughout the world.
Among them are Black History month, (USA , Canada, Europe in February and Great Britain in October), Dr. King (USA) Kwanza (Global), Zumbi dos Palmares Day, (Brazil), Saba Saba(Tanzania), Jomo Kenyetta (Kenya) or African day (Many African countries).
There are a number of vacant days that could be used to celebrated and honor such heroes such as;
Gaspo Yanga, (Mexico) Abdias de Nasciemento (Brazil), Malcolm X (USA), Marcus Garvey (Jamaica), Olaudah Equiano (Great Britain), Patrice Lumumba (Zaire), Kwame Nkrumah (Ghana), Haili Salasse (Ethiopia) and so forth. Additionally, out of over 300 kingdoms and empires certain weeks could be dedicated.
With certainty, African History month would be a positive undertaking not only enlightening the contemporary world but also, laying foundations for the future generations. Most importantly, it would mutually benefit Africans everywhere.
This is an open invitation for collaboration with activists, organizations, religious communities, newspapers, blogs, institutions; governmental agencies, and media to garner efforts to make this event a reality. Together with modern technology, the Internet, phone and teleconferencing have made global communications affordable and accessible. Additionally, and more importantly, it will help abate constant bombardment of negative media that discharges specious allegations against Africans worldwide.
As previously stated Boy and Negro was used during western domination for obvious reasons that was exposed. In the 60′s Black was substituted for Negro and now its time for another progression. The next step is to reclaim African ethnicity.
Although, Africans were forced to embrace other European cultures, it does not change ethnicity. This also applies to other cultures that migrated, for example, there are referred to by their separate ethnic group. After scores of generations, there are still reference by their own culture, such as, Chinese, Japanese, English, German and so on.
The ancient city of Great Zimbabwe was deliberately destroyed by Whites in order to maintain the myth of White superiority Moreover, Diaspora victim’s exact location is impossible to identify. It sufficed to say; African should be used definitively with appropriate sub-categories. Here are a few examples: African-Brazilian, Afro-Cuban, Afro-Mexican and African-European, and Afro-Asian. Naturally, Africans on the continent is self-explanatory; Nigerian, South African, Kenyan, Ghanaian and so forth.
Notably, when Black Africa is used, it’s presupposing that there is a White Africa. Most importantly, when referencing ethnicity, the descriptive word should ALWAYS be ” African. ” This usage is essential because it reconnects culture, at home and abroad. When examining Black closely, it’s only a color that promotes division. And also, when accepted it is an imposed division because it has no connection to land nor culture. Most significantly, when using African, it recognizes all aspects of its culture.
Once more, it removes the contention that ancient civilizations and ruins in Africa are not Black. When Africans take charge of their ethnicity, these specious allegations will be ignored. Rationally, when Black is replaced with African, it would be ridiculous saying Egypt, Carthage or Great Zimbabwae are not African, especially when their origin is located on the motherland.
One last point, every culture throughout the world defines their own ethnicity, and Africans should not be an exception. Especially, when the Japanese, Chinese or Koreans are never questioned. Significantly, these three cultures are distinctly different. Nevertheless, not one identifies themselves as being the color yellow. there are recognized as Asians. Finally, ownership would negate the non-sense, Egypt, Carthage, Great Zimbabwe, Ethiopia or the Moorish civilizations are not African. We have rejected Negro and now it’s time to put aside Black, and reclaim African ethnicity.
Wednesday, March 20th 2013 at 5:07PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Stupid Steve,
I said that there are no African countries that have records of African explorers coming to the Americas before Columbus. And, since there are no African countries and explorers to back up your claim I am now in a checkmate position to label your claims lies. Do you understand?
I have the winning hand.
Show the countries and recorders of these African explores you boost about if you are not lying.
Nevertheless, Black Americans are not African people. So, Africans are pf no interest to Black Americans because we are not the same people. And, because you all think that Black Americans and Africans are the same people shows how dumb Mr. Goodson and the rest of you all are.
dj Johnson ---- HIS OWN SUBJECT- "We Came Before Columbus: Who Really Discovered the Americas"
and the ANSWER had ALREADY been VERIFIED by Columbus seeing Muslims from AFRICA----praying in Masajic---- in the Americas.......and the MINING of Minerals in nativeAmerican lands by Muslims from Africa ------the West/North and MiddleEast African Nations.........Geographically I, claim that Africa INCLUDES the Present nations of The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman and the Emirates....as well as morocco to egypt to capetown..............
AND --- off subject like steveDJ
BASED on----- AS exBLOG king WRITES above, "Anthropology, Cartography, Craniology, phrenology, Ethnography,Philology, the study of language, literary studies, history and linguistics, Serology------AND History, Scholarship and Science of EVER anthropologist, historian, linguist AND PSYCHOLOGIST----
------the paganPharoahs, the paganOlmecs, the paganAztecs, the paganIncas AND the paganEuropean christians WERE generationalSLAVERS, generationalRAPISTS, generationalTORTURERS and generationalMURDERING Liars...............
then stevesPatron djohnson WRITES:::---" when Black Africa is used, it’s presupposing that there is a White Africa. Most importantly, when referencing ethnicity, the descriptive word should ALWAYS be ” African. ” ----thanks dj
OK -- bia 'blackWhite' guys ----- CHECKMATE
either you do NOT know what you WRITE, or READ
--- or youAll are just FRAUDS ---- Fakes and -----as yourKemetRIS writes-----"Adam: Let me explain to you how a lie works. First, those telling the lie must first convince themselves that the lie they seek to tell...is in fact 'Truth'. The people writing what you have posted below are no less victims of their ignorance of the historical record as were the many on this page. Here's the problem Adam, and until you understand this....it will be difficult for you or anyone who does not understand this to ....move forward. I will describe the quicksand you are sinking in.You are now falling victim to your former training...making your self prone for defeat in debate. Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 6:44PM Christine Govenor
my argument has ALWAYS been that 'blackWhite' selfDesignations are euroCentric, paganChristian DIVERSIONS and Frauds MEANT to only divide the Family of Adaam(as)
again, for the 41,201,360th time BIA is an African American Family Site to SMASH olde stereotypes and misconceptions.......
I, robertPowell, respect the BIA preamble ---- do you?
the last 2 comments need to be deleted but just to show the world how these dumb asses thing im going to leave then for a laughing moment
notice to comments are off base ,,,self centered attacks from the town clowns !
Wednesday, March 20th 2013 at 9:43PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Thanks for leaving them David. I'm still trying to catch up, and I want to answer Harry and Robert. But real quick, Harry doesn't think history exists before LIFE, nor Robert before Islam.
Wednesday, March 20th 2013 at 10:27PM
Steve Williams
you weak BROTHERS/SISTERS or she/he/it,
BLOCK, delete or whatEVER
------so youALL can go back to fighting your mentallyChallengable harry
......and Praising your UNCILIVILIZED-----------the paganPharoahs, the paganOlmecs, the paganAztecs, the paganIncas AND the paganEuropean christians WERE generationalSLAVERS, generationalRAPISTS, generationalTORTURERS and generationalMURDERING Liars...............
SIS ,ROBERT is the biggest complainer in the history of this site ,,he always got something negitive to say ,,to the point his cartoon comments no meaning just another laugh Harry has always to copy cat blogs because he cant COME UP WITH HIS OWN ! THATS WHAT FAKE PEOPLE DO 1
Thursday, March 21st 2013 at 12:51AM
DAVID JOHNSON
it was good... did you know that the white house has state of the art defense technology...?? Oh my GOD.. I didn't know that...
There's sumn like automatic missles on top of the whitehouse incase of bomb attacks or if someone tries to fly a plane again..
SUBJECT- "We Came Before Columbus: Who Really Discovered the Americas"
your Issues are that you cannot Debate OR follow BIA Preamble
------again for the 21,512,873rd time
---i, robertPowell, believe that yourWritings are stereotypical misconceptions........i, do not know YOU, i know yourWritings......
and
in my opinion, yourWritings are not FOLLOWING the BIA Preamble, BIA Rules for the African America Families to SMASH oldeIgnorant Racist Stereotypes AND that yourWritings are FURTHURING oldeIgnorant Racist American Stereotypes and grossly misconceived.........
yourOlde ideas are the IMPETUS for the Anniversary of a Great American Tragedy
----The Iraq War ----- oldeRacist antiIslaamic, antiMonotheistic BELLIGERENCE
as youAll oldies Teacher would write: -----"Adam: Let me explain to you how a lie works. First, those telling the lie must first convince themselves that the lie they seek to tell...is in fact 'Truth'. The people writing what you have posted below are no less victims of their ignorance of the historical record as were the many on this page. Here's the problem Adam, and until you understand this....it will be difficult for you or anyone who does not understand this to ....move forward. I will describe the quicksand you are sinking in.You are now falling victim to your former training...making your self prone for defeat in debate. Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 6:44PM Christine Govenor
The Ghana Empire (before c. 830 until c. 1235) was located in what is now southeastern Mauritania and western Mali. Complex societies had existed in the region since about 1500 BCE, and around Ghana's core region since about 300 CE. When Ghana's ruling dynasty began is uncertain; it is first mentioned in documentary sources around 830 CE by Muḥammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī.[1] The domestication of the camel, which preceded Muslims and Islam by several centuries, brought about a gradual change in trade, and, for the first time, the extensive gold, ivory trade, and salt resources of the region could be sent north and east to population centers in North Africa, the Middle East and Europe in exchange for manufactured goods.
The empire grew rich from the trans-Saharan trade in gold and salt. This trade produced an increasing surplus, allowing for larger urban centers. It also encouraged territorial expansion to gain control over the lucrative trade routes.
The first written mention of the kingdom comes from Arabic language sources some time after the conquest of North Africa by Muslims, when geographers began compiling comprehensive accounts of the world known to Islam around 800. The sources for the earlier periods are very strange as to its society, government or culture, though they do describe its location and note its commercial relations. The Cordoban scholar Abu Ubayd al-Bakri collected stories from a number of travelers to the region, and gave a detailed description of the kingdom in 1067/1068 (460 AH). He claimed that the Ghana could "put 200,000 men into the field, more than 40,000 of them archers" and noted they had cavalry forces as well.[2]
Vai is one of the world's oldest alphabetic scripts in continuous use, with over 150,000 users in present-day Liberia and Sierra Leone. It's a highly advanced syllabary writing system with over 210 distinct characters representing various consonants and vowel sounds used in the Vai language (a descendant of ancient Mande). Contrary to popular belief, Vai is not a wholly unique script invented circa 1830 by a West African whose friends helped him remember a dream. Evidence of its antiquity comes from inscriptions from Goundaka, Mali that date to 3000 BC, and Vai's close similarity and relation to the older Proto-Saharan and Tifanagh writing found all over the Saharan region. Vai has also been linked to other writing systems in West Africa that were allegedly invented in the 1800s by people who had similar dreams. Even in the Americas, Vai is similar to scripts that were supposedly invented by Africans who, again, were coincidentally inspired by their dreams (e.g., the so-called Afaka script shares at least 34 of its 56 characters or 61% with those of the Vai script).
The Afaka script (afaka sikifi) is a syllabary of 56 letters devised in 1910 for the Ndyuka language, an English-based creole of Surinam. The script is named after its inventor, Afáka Atumisi.
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The origins of many of the letters are obscure, though several appear to be acrophonic rebuses, with many of these being symbols from Africa. Examples of rebuses include a curl with a dot in it representing a baby in the belly (in Ndyuka, a abi beli, lit. "she has belly", means "she's pregnant"), and which stands for [be]; two hands outstretched to give stand for [gi]; symbols for come (Ndyuka kom) and go to represent [ko] and [go]; two linked circles for we stands for [wi], while [yu] is an inversion of [mi], corresponding to the pronouns you and me; letters like Roman numerals two and four are [tu] and [fo]. [ka] and [pi] are said to represent feces (Ndyuka kaka) and urine (pisi). A "+" sign stands for [ne], from the word name, derived from the practice of signing one's name with an X. The odd conflation of [u] and [ku] is due to the letter being a pair of hooks, which is uku in Ndyuka.[1] The only letters which appear to correspond to the Latin alphabet are the vowels a, o, and maybe e, though o is justified as the shape of the mouth when pronouncing it.[2]
The Epi-Olmec script turned out to be structurally similar to the Maya. It is logophonetic, meaning that one set of the signs, the phonograms, have phonetic values, while the other glyphs, called logograms, represents morpheme. A morpheme is a word or part of a word that cannot be broken further into smaller units with relevant meaning. For instance, the English word beautiful can be broken down into beauty and -ful, neither of which can be broken down further. Beauty is a morpheme because it is a word. Furthermore, -ful carries the meaning of "a lot of", and can also be used with other words, like bountiful, faithful, and others. Hence it is not a unique derivation of beauty, but a morpheme in its own right.
In a logophonetic system, both logograms and phonograms are used. Frequently logograms make up the root of a word whereas phonograms spell out the prefixes and suffixes that modify the root.
Syllabary
The vowel u ("u" with a line through the middle) is a strange vowel. It is a central high vowel, meaning that it's like the common vowel [i] but the position of the peak of the tongue is halfway between the throat and the teeth. You can check out Phonetics for details on how to pronounce it.
All phonograms in the Epi-Olmec script represent syllables. So we call the set of phonograms the syllabary:
Now Robert, look at that word you wrote, UNCILIVILIZED. Assuming you meant uncivilized and this was not one of your word plays, how is the word uncivilized properly applied to the Olmec, Aztec, and Inca civilizations? And didn't you leave out a few? The Mayans, and others you may not have heard of.
Thursday, March 21st 2013 at 5:23PM
Steve Williams
SUBJECT- "We Came Before Columbus: Who Really Discovered the Americas"
dj---you know i hate to get off SUBJECT on an bloggersBlag but your selfProfessed 'whiteMan'---steve seems so READY to go back to Africa--rather than your GREAT SUBJECT
yes, stevey----'whiteManGawd' of exBlogKing johnson -----thank YOU for helping me with my MISTAKE----UNCIVILIZED----myUNCILIVIZED was from myEbonicLanguage Educator sweetIrma....and ghettoTalk-----FORGIVE ME and myPeople........ _____________________________________ un•civ•i•lized
not civilized or cultured; barbarous. __________________________________________ yes, the paganPharoahs, the paganOlmecs, the paganAztecs, the paganIncas AND the paganEuropean christians ----EVEN your paganHistorical mayans ALL were a PEOPLE that BASED their EXISTENCE on generationalSLAVERY, generationalRAPISTRY, generationalTORTURERING and generationalMURDERING and subjugating those around them with CARNAGE......
NONE of these LEFT MANKIND --- with ANY civilized RECORDINGS of Mankinds brotherhood, Mankinds Mutual Purpose or Mankinds Creation by a MASTER of GOOD....
RECORDINGS of Mankinds brotherhood, Mankinds Mutual Purpose or Mankinds Creation by a MASTER of GOOD....are RECORDED in Monotheistic Texts-----AtTaurat, AlIngeel and AlQur'aan
but of course as a selfProfessed"whiteMan" ---you PROBABLY believe that the Europeans gave CIVILIZATION or maybe at LEAST CILIVIZATION?----to the nativeAmerican, the africanAmerican, the hindu, the chinese and other non'White' people.......in CIVILIZED history?
I, robertPowell, DO NOT BELIEVE that europe BEFORE Columbus or AFTER----gave the MAJORITY of MANKIND, the Family of Adaam(as) CIVILIZATION or CILIVIZATION......
even til the 20TH CENTURY, europe GAVE the Majority of the World-----SLAVERY, OPPRESSION, THEFT, TORTURE, MURDER, WWI-2----5.87 MILLION monotheisticJews GASSED --the ATOMIC BOMB, and the INVASION of MALI
Tombouctou---was NOT a TREASURE to the FrenchColonizers that stole from the African Nations that formed the GREATEST EMPIRE of ALL TIME......the french brought SLAVERY, OPPRESSION, THEFT, TORTURE, MURDER -- and destruction of the Sahara......
the great copies of AlQur'aan, Sunnah of Mohamed(saw), Fiqh, Aqueeda, Sharia were NEVER a priority of the frenchColonizers.......
if the FRENCH speakingMalians of 2013 wanted to Maintain a Knowledge of AlQur'aan, Sunnah of Mohamed(saw), Fiqh, Aqueeda, Sharia --- they COULD find that onLINE, like youCAN, TODAY.....in english/french/chinese/hebrew or arabic
you care about WHAT?
the SUBJECT here is "We Came Before Columbus: Who Really Discovered the Americas"
Americans TODAY know that with Columbus and After Columbus came African Muslims,
WHO ARE YOU, to de*****ATE ME? ---i KNOW that there were KUNTA KINTES in my americanFamilies PAST
and Kunta Kinte would have RECITED this, in ARABIC:
Sűrat Al‘Ankabűt (The Spider) XXIV In the Name of Allâah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful 1. Alif-Lâm-Mîm.
2. Do people think that they will be left alone because they say: "We believe," and will not be tested.
3. We indeed tested those who were before them. Allâah will certainly make known the truth of those who are true, and will certainly make known the falsehood of those who are liars, as Allâah knows all before putting them to test.
4. Or do those who do evil deeds think that they can hide from Us and escape Our punishment? Evil is that which they judge!
5. Whoever hopes for the Meeting with Allâah, then Allâah’s Time is surely coming and He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower.
6. Who ever strives, he strives only for himself. Allâah stands not in need of any of AlÂlamîn (mankind, jinn, and all that exists).
Sűrat Al-An’âm (The Cattle) VI In the Name of Allâah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful
82. It is those who believe (in the Oneness of Allâah and worship none but Him Alone) and do not confuse their belief with Zulm (wrong, by worshipping others besides Allâah), for them (only) there is security and they are the guided. 83. That was Our Proof which We gave Ibrâhîm against his people. We raise whom We will in degrees. Certainly your Lord is All-Wise, All-Knowing. 84. We bestowed upon him Ishâq (Isaac) and Ya‘qűb (Jacob), each of them We guided, and before him, We guided Nűh (Noah), and among his progeny Dâwűd (David), Sulaimân (Solomon), Ayyűb (Job), Yűsuf (Joseph), Műsâ (Moses), and Hârűn (Aaron).We reward AlMuhsinűn (the good-doers) 85. Zakariyâ (Zachariya), and Yahya (John) and ‘Îsâ (Jesus) and Iliyâs (Elias), each one of them was of the righteous. 86. Ismâ‘îl (Ishmael) and Al-Yasa‘ (Elisha), and Yűnus (Jonah) and Lűt (Lot), and each one of them We preferred above the ‘AlÂlamîn (mankind and jinn) [of their times].
87. And also some of their fathers and their progeny and their brethren, We chose them, and We guided them to the Straight Path.
------how DARE you 'whiteMan' de*****ATE myHistory-------do you think you are BIA, 'whiteGawd?
but ----if want to sit in for your 'blackBrother' djohnson---in ANY debate using the United Negro College Format --championed by the GREATEST USA,SUPREME COURT JUSTICE of ALL TIME----Thurgood Marshall---Lets GO!----i IS a FREE man.....bossMan............
Okay Robert, I'm going to go with it was a typo, as opposed to denigrate and de*****ate. Leaving aside de*****ate, meaning of which escapes me, we have civilized and pagan. Back to my Latin.
civis: a citizen pagus: the villagers, country people
This is close as I came to a correlation of Thurgood Marshall and United Negro College. What is the format Robert?
The United Negro College Fund, or UNCF, is an American philanthropic organization that funds scholarships for black students and general scholarship funds for 39 private historically black colleges and universities. The UNCF was incorporated on April 25, 1944 by Frederick D. Patterson (then president of what is now Tuskegee University), Mary McLeod Bethune, and others. The UNCF is headquartered at 8260 Willow Oaks Corporate Drive in an unincorporated area in Fairfax County, Virginia, United States, east of the city of Fairfax.[1] In 2005, the UNCF supported approximately 65,000 students at over 900 colleges and universities with approximately $113 million in grants and scholarships. About 60% of these students are the first in their families to attend college, and 62% have annual family incomes of less than $25,000. UNCF also administers over 450 named scholarships. This is in contrast with the Thurgood Marshall College Fund that raises money for the public historically black colleges and universities.
During the 1950s, Thurgood Marshall developed a friendly relationship with J. Edgar Hoover, the director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. In 1956, for example, he privately praised Hoover's campaign to discredit T.R.M. Howard, a maverick civil rights leader from Mississippi. During a national speaking tour, Howard criticized the FBI's failure to seriously investigate cases such as the 1955 killers of George W. Lee and Emmett Till. In a private letter to Hoover, Marshall "attacked Howard as a 'rugged individualist' who did not speak for the NAACP."[12] Two years earlier Howard arranged for Marshall to deliver a well-received speech at a rally of his Regional Council of Negro Leadership in Mound Bayou, Mississippi only days before the Brown decision.[13] According to historians David T. Beito and Linda Royster Beito, “Marshall’s disdain for Howard was almost visceral. [He] 'disliked Howard’s militant tone and maverick stance' and 'was well aware that Hoover’s attack served to take the heat off the NAACP and provided opportunities for closer collaboration [between the NAACP and the FBI] in civil rights.'"[12]
SUBJECT- "We Came Before Columbus: Who Really Discovered the Americas"
steve,
i give you an opportunity to get out NOW, while you can
-------go back and READ the BIA Preamble
are you suggesting --- above ---- that the GREATEST USA,SUPREME COURT JUSTICE of ALL TIME----Thurgood Marshall ----Represented jEdgar hoover?
NO, NO, NO --------------------
SUPREME COURT JUSTICE Thurgood Marshall REPRESENTED and WON more cases before the United States Supreme Court than ANY ----- American-----EVER.
The Debating Trophies WON by SUPREME COURT JUSTICE Thurgood Marshall ---INCLUDED ever Major Citizenship and Human ---CIVILIZED or CILIVIZED------BENEFIT for African Americans EVER achieved in USA HISTORY..........
SUPREME COURT JUSTICE Thurgood Marshall ---- brought CIVILIZATION to the generationalSLAVERY, generationalRAPISTRY, generationalTORTURERING, generationalMURDERING and BARBARIOUS subjugation of the African American in America---
many of your definitions ----AT---- BIA, an African American Family site are the APEX of the STEREOTYPES and MISCONCEPTIONS, in my OPINION, that have paganIZED the americanExperience AND ----are the SOURCE of the Worst of unCIVILIZED usa History ----and Practice against the African American
yourMind thinking about these definitions that NEED the most SMASHING
steve----get a better understanding of these DEFINITIONS and i will get back to your backward paganThinking ------ later
un•civ•i•lized -------- not civilized or cultured; barbarous. civis: a citizen ----- pagus: the villagers, country people
SUBJECT- "We Came Before Columbus: Who Really Discovered the Americas"
steve,
FORWARD ---as in the Greatest American President Baraaka Hussein Obama
NOT
BACKWARD --- as in another euroCentric Racist Ignorance
Again
NO Egyptian School: public, private, religious, kindergarten, middleSchool, secondarySchool OR University------2013----or 1913 ---- or 1813----or 1513---or 1013---or 13 pr 1013BC----EVER taught Egyptian hieroglyphs.
NO AMERICAN(mesoNorthSouth) School: public, private, religious, kindergarten, middleSchool, secondarySchool OR University------2013----or 1913 ---- or 1813----or 1513---or 1013---or 13 pr 1013BC----EVER taught Epi-Olmec.
AGAIN----- you come to BIA NOT reading the Preamble BUT bring---in my opinon---the APEX of the oldeStereotypes and oldeMisconceptions of American History for African Americans.
harry is not as racist as you, or NUTS, as you djohnson is not as racist as you, or VILE as you siebra is not as racist as you, or backward as you goverenedByChrist is not as racist as you, or as DEEP a searcher as YOU
again, reREAD the BIA Preamble-----
guess WHAT, most Educated African Americans and all Americans SHOULD know that for YOU to de*****ate the GREATNESS of SUPREME COURT JUSTICE Thurgood Marshall you have crossed the African American RED line............to me..................
AGAIN, if you did not COMPREHEND it above-----
SUPREME COURT JUSTICE Thurgood Marshall ------REPRESENTED and WON more cases before the United States Supreme Court than ANY ----- American-----EVER.
The Debating Trophies WON by SUPREME COURT JUSTICE Thurgood Marshall ---INCLUDED ever Major Citizenship and Human ---CIVILIZED or CILIVIZED------BENEFIT for African Americans EVER achieved in USA HISTORY..........
SUPREME COURT JUSTICE Thurgood Marshall ---- brought CIVILIZATION to the generationalSLAVERY, generationalRAPISTRY, generationalTORTURERING, generationalMURDERING and BARBARIOUS subjugation of the African American in America--- AND
The hieroglyphs and TROPHIES for----CIVILIZED or CILIVIZED---- LAW ---- that SUPREME COURT JUSTICE Thurgood Marshall put on the WALLS of the Supreme Court and the CONSTITUION of the United States of America SHOULD be PRAISED by any Intelligent American..................
Nevertheless Robert, I continue to study African, and now Mesoamerican civilizations, and world migrations, in spite of the fact that I was not taught these subjects in the schools of America, Egypt, or Mexico.
Saturday, March 23rd 2013 at 2:56PM
Steve Williams
and NO one in schools of America, Egypt, or Mexico was EVER taught them!
Yes.. Yes.. the late great Justice Thurgood Marshall was indeed a iconic leader of legal justice for Black African Americans ... WE have alot to admire and praised!
Why is that Robert? History did exist before Columbus, Islam, Christianity...
Saturday, March 23rd 2013 at 7:13PM
Steve Williams
Even before the Egyptians.
Saturday, March 23rd 2013 at 7:14PM
Steve Williams
Steve,
This blog is about us Black Americans mistaken for Africans supposedly came to the Americas before Columbus am I right.
So, my question to your stupid-ass is how does Egyptianism comes into the picture? Robert is constantly telling your stupid-ass that the blog is not about Egyptianism and you don’t seen to understand. Robert goes as far as to telling you that Egyptianism was not taught to Black Americans is White America’s public schools.
I have a 68 IQ and I understand what Robert is saying why it is that you don’t understand what he is saying unless you idiotically don’t want to understand.
So, the Egyptian bull-**** alone and go back to the blog statement that we came before Columbus.
Stop being stupid and difficult just to be a meat-head!
harry is correct ---- GET to the SUBJECT and COMPREHEND something, sometime......
you dog the selfProfessed 68 IQ 'black'Guy as if ----YOU----think you are smarter than him, he may be 68 IQ BUT he does COMPREHEND that:
again-----NONE of the egyptianPharoah JUNK---euroHISTORY----is TAUGHT in EGYPT -----at any LEVEL----to Egyptians----from 1013BC to 2013------
you think it is HISTORY, CAUSE you are a selfProfessed 'whiteGuy' on BIA ---- an African American Site.....for Families to SMASH STEREOTYPES-----
and EINSTEIN?????? ------ in my opinion
yourWriting is the BIGGEST Stereotype that needs SMASHING....
how dare YOU de*****ate a positive SUBJECT with euroMADE up junkHistory?
how dare YOU de*****ate Africans----- from harry to Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall?
me, i could care less -----if yourWriting is trying to de*****ate me? ---- great..... -----i KNOW who the real***** is.....the maker of n*ggas ...asSiebra writes..the maker, the owner, the master of *****ISTIC thinking.....euroWhite ignorantTrash of History.......
STEVE -----AlIslaam is the Universe and Existence; as Created by the Creator of Adaam(as)
who writes it better than you? --- thank you dearest love
AND
you bring us back on SUBJECT ---"We Came Before Columbus: Who Really Discovered the Americas"
and brotherDavid writes:"This society has for thousands of years embraced the cultural accomplishments of Africa and Africans for thousands of years, but today stubbornly refuses to give credit where credit is due. It owes a psychic and spiritual debt to the Motherland. Until it is paid it will forever be plagued with a host of problems that come from failing to honor its Scientific Ancestors."
LET BIA give CREDIT to OUR Scientific, "psychic and spiritual" and cultural accomplishments of Africa and African Muslims that Sailed from the Muslim Empires of West Africa to America before Columbus ---- and used their Superior Scientific, "psychic and spiritual" and the cultural accomplishments to engage the Natives in Decency......
Harry and Robert. The subject is about when Africans came to the Americas. If you believe the earth is only 6000 years old, I can't help you.
Monday, March 25th 2013 at 1:59AM
Steve Williams
Steve,
What connection does the earth and 6000 years have to do with Africans coming to the Americas before Columbus?
To this day you have not named the African country that sent explorers to the Americas, stupid. Try naming the African country!
The Creator of Adaam(as) is TIME LIMITLESS, einsteinStevey......!
SUBJECT ---"We Came Before Columbus: Who Really Discovered the Americas"
now your gossippyLying --- can'tComprehend 'black/white' RACIST ignorance shows in your nonTRUE writing to me----"If you believe the earth is only 6000 years old"
I, robertPowell, have NEVER wrote anything about the age of the EARTH...and i do not think that harry has either.......
so YOU --- stereotypically-----are checkMATED and then REVERT to evilFilthy LYING>>>>>.
einstein? my derriere...................BIA does not need any Help from your oldeRacist thinking..............Africans before and African Americans do not need any Help from your oldeRacist thinking.. __________________ Sűrat Al-Humazah (The Slanderer of Truth) CIV In the Name of Allâah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful
1. A Caution to every slanderer and sly liar..
2. Who has gathered wealth and counted it.
3. He thinks that his wealth will make him last forever!
4. No! Verily, he will be thrown into the crushing Abyss.
5. And what will make you know what the crushing Abyss is?
THOSE WHO WROTE OUR CONSTUTITION WERE NEITHER RELIGIOUS NOR AMERICAN CITIZENS...THEY WERE IN THE REAL WORLD SOING WHY POLITICIANS DO TODAY, THEY WERE PLANTATION OWNER/ BIG BUSINESS OWNERS OUT TOPORTECT THEMSELVES AS THEY WERE THE FEW AGAINST THE PUBLIC THE MAJORITY P-O-O-R, WORKING CALSS ...
@Irma... I agree...
Now from my reading... it was the Murrs (Moors)??? who explored the Americas before Columbus. It was said that Columbus had experienced "African" Navigators whom helped Columbus during his explorations because the African's had already explored a great deal of territory in the Ameiricus...
So why is it so hard to believe that AFRICAN WARRIORS/EXPLORERS could not have come before slavery??
Every October Americans pause to celebrate Columbus Day. Children are taught that the Italian navigator discovered America. Parades are held in his honor and tributes tell of his skill, courage and perseverance.
Historians, archeologists, anthropologists and other scientists and scholars now know that Columbus did not discover America. Not only were native Americans present when he reached the New World, but also Africans, Asians and Europeans, among others, had been sailing to the Americas thousands of years before Columbus ventured across the Atlantic.
Of the various people who reached America before Columbus, Black Africans appear to have made the most contacts and to have had the greatest impact. During the 19th and 20th centuries, several scholars wrote books and articles about this subject and urged the academic establishment to change primary and secondary curricula across the country to reflect the great contributions of African people to early America. Unfortunately, such pleas fell on deaf ears; so again this October our children are being taught the myth that Columbus discovered America.
That gives us all an opportunity this next Columbus day to correct the teaching. I have my grandchildren, who are Salvadoran, and they will hear the truth about Columbus from me.
Robert, I thought you told me you didn't believe in evolution.
Monday, March 25th 2013 at 2:34PM
Steve Williams
Exactly Steve.... I am learning a lot from my Black Psychology Class this semester... I for one had considered it an insult to the Natives by saying Columbus discovered the Americas... How can one discover a territory that was preocuppied by people way before it was so called "FOUND"... i KNOW i am teaching my son the truths as I discover them...
You have adopted the bible as your primary history text. That puts the age of the world at about 6000 years.
I agree with the scientific consensus that the race of homo sapiens sapiens began in Africa some 150,000 to 100,000 years ago, and then spread around the globe. Since this was millions of years after the breakup of the supercontinent Pangea, it only makes sense that the spread of homo sapiens sapiens must had involved transoceanic migration. And the way this was done was by riding the ocean currents. Look at this map here and you will see where you can get to/from on the ocean currents.
Sub-Saharan See also: Nok culture, Urewe, and Bantu expansion
Discoveries of very early copper and bronze working sites in West Africa in Niger, however, can still support that iron working may have developed in that region and spread elsewhere. Iron metallurgy has been attested very early, the earliest instances of iron smelting in Termit, Niger may date to as early as 1500 BC.[12][56] In Central Africa, Iron working may have been practiced as early as the 3rd millennium BCE.[57] It was once believed that iron and copper working in Sub-Saharan Africa spread in conjunction with the Bantu expansion, from the Cameroon region to the African Great Lakes in the 3rd century BC, reaching the Cape around AD 400.[12]
Sub-Saharan Africa has produced very early instances of carbon steel found to be in production around 2000 years before present in northwest Tanzania, based on complex preheating principles. These discoveries, according to Schmidt and Avery (archaeologists credited with the discovery) are significant for the history of metallurgy.[58]
At the end of the Iron Age, Nubia became a major manufacturer and exporter of iron. This was after being expelled from Egypt by Assyrians, who used iron weapons.[59]
and just a little off topic... Where does the largest diamonds and the black diamonds found? Isn't it Somalia? and I think Lybia was one of the last countrys.... formed?
Monday, March 25th 2013 at 9:09PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Now to get back on the topic.... I read, I believe in one of the National Geographics or my African American History Book, they profiled some of the Native Americans (Dress) with the African Explorers (Dress Attire) and they were very similar in design. And because of alot of swampy arears were the Natives live, rice and corn were crops/agriculture.... there weapons and grinders/cups for grinding corn.
History books traditionally depict the pre-Columbus Americas as a pristine wilderness where small native villages lived in harmony with nature. But scientific evidence tells a very different story: When Columbus stepped ashore in 1492, millions of people were already living there. America wasn’t exactly a New World, but a very old one whose inhabitants had built a vast infrastructure of cities, orchards, canals and causeways. The English brought honeybees to the Americas for honey, but the bees pollinated orchards along the East Coast. Thanks to the feral honeybees, many of the plants the Europeans brought, like apples and peaches, proliferated. Some 12,000 years ago, North American mammoths, ancient horses, and other large mammals vanished. The first horses in America since the Pleistocene era arrived with Columbus in 1493. Settlers in the Americas told of rivers that had more fish than water. The South American potato helped spark a population explosion in Europe. In 1491, the Americas had few domesticated animals, and used the llama as their beast of burden. In 1491, more people lived in the Americas than in Europe. The first conquistadors were sailors and adventurers. In 1492, the Americas were not a pristine wilderness but a crowded and managed landscape. The now barren Chaco Canyon was once covered with vegetation. Along with crops like wheat, weeds like dandelion were brought to America by Europeans. It’s believed that the domestication of the turkey began in pre-Columbian Mexico, and did not exist in Europe in 1491. By 1500, European settlers and their plants and animals had altered much of the Americas’ landscape. While beans, potatoes, and maize from the Americas became major crops in continental Europe.
Monday, March 25th 2013 at 9:23PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Of the various people who reached America before Columbus, Black Africans appear to have made the most contacts and to have had the greatest impact. During the 19th and 20th centuries, several scholars wrote books and articles about this subject and urged the academic establishment to change primary and secondary curricula across the country to reflect the great contributions of African people to early America. Unfortunately, such pleas fell on deaf ears; so again this October our children are being taught the myth that Columbus discovered America.
In August of this year, a group of 13 African Americans participated in a study-tour of numerous Mexican archeological sites. Led by the renowned Black historian and architect, Mathu Otir, and two Mexican guides, we visited numerous museums, temples, pyramids and cities, most of which reflected the genius of the native American Mayas and Aztecs. Toward the end of the tour, in southern Mexico, we began to see the remains of an ancient Black presence.
Evidence of the early Africans is widespread and varied. Dozens of majestic stone heads have been found at ancient sacred sites, such as La Venta and Tres Zapotes in southern Mexico (See photograph). Ranging up to 9 feet and 4 inches in height, with a circumference of 22 feet, and weighing 30 to 40 tons, these colossal statues depict helmeted Black men with large eyes, broad fleshy noses and full lips. They appear to represent priest-kings who ruled vast territories in the ancient New World from provinces near the Gulf of Mexico.
In the holy city of La Venta, dating back to at least 1500 BC, four of these large stone heads were discovered on a ceremonial platform featuring a miniature step pyramid and a conical pyramid - the earliest of such monuments to appear in the Americas.
Other art-work also serves as evidence of Africans in America before Columbus. For years the late art historian, Alexander Von Wuthenau, collected ancient clay figurines that provide clues regarding the diversity of America's pre-Columbian population. His remarkable African collection depicts priests, chiefs, dancers, wrestlers, drummers, beautiful women and stately men - a collage of Black people who occupied every stratum of society from Mexico to South America.
Negroid skulls and skeletons have also been found throughout the New World. Polish professor Andrzej Wiercinski has revealed the discovery of African skulls at Olmec sites in Tlatilco, Cerro de las Mesas and Monte Alban. Furthermore, very ancient African skeletons have been unearth in California, Mexico, Central and South America.
The best evidence of the Black presence in America before Columbus comes from the pen of the "great discoverer" himself. In his Journal of the Second Voyage, Columbus reported that when he reached Haiti the native Americans told him that black-skinned people had come from the south and southeast in boats, trading in gold-tipped medal spears. At least a dozen other European explorers, including Vasco Nunez de Balboa, also reported seeing or hearing of "Negroes" when they reached the New World.
Nicholas Leon, an eminent Mexican authority, recorded the oral traditions of his people. Some of them reported that "the oldest inhabitants of Mexico were blacks[T]he existence of blacks and giants is commonly believed by nearly all the races of our sail and in their various language they had words to designate them."
Early Mexican scholars were convinced that the impact of the Black explorers on the New World was profound and enduring. One author, J.A. Villacorta, has written: "Any way you view it, Mexican civilization had its origin in Africa." Modern excavations throughout Latin America appear to confirm Villacorta's conclusions.
The Olmec civilization, which appears to have been of African origin or to have been dominated by Africans, was the Mother Culture of Mexico. Of this, Michael Coe, the leading American historian on Mexico, has written that, "there is not the slightest doubt that all later civilizations in [Mexico and Central America], rest ultimately on an Olmec base."
Ivan Van Sertima, the foremost authority on the African presence in ancient America, has built a strong case demonstrating that many Olmec cultural traits were of African origin: "A study of the Olmec civilization reveals elements that so closely parallel ritual traits and techniques in the Egypto-Nubian world of the same period that it is difficult to maintain [that] all these are due to mere coincidence." Other scholars believe that Africans introduced a calendar, writing, pyramid and tomb construction, mummification, as well as certain political systems and religious traditions to the native Americans.
Who were the Africans who sailed to America before Columbus? Indian scholar R.A. Jairazbhoy states that the earliest settlers were Ancient Egyptians led by King Ramesis III, during the 19th dynasty. Van Sertima also believes that most of the explorers sailed from Egypt, but during the much later 25th dynasty. Many other scholars insist that the navigators came from West African nations, such as Ghana, Mali and Songhay
Whoever these Black people were, they most certainly sailed to America in ancient and medieval times and left a profound imprint on New World soil. As Jairazbhoy notes: "The black began his career in America not as slave but as master."
Our Mexican guides agreed. As we ended our tour and prepared to return to the U.S., one of them proclaimed: "I would like to thank the African people for bringing civilization to the New World." It is high time for the American media and academic establishment to admit the same. http://rense.com/general43/before.htm Monday, March 25th 2013 at 9:26PM
DAVID JOHNSON
you have been busy and that's alot to read .......
for bringing BIA back on SUBJECT ------ ---"We Came Before Columbus: Who Really Discovered the Americas"
-yourWriting above: --"but during the much later 25th dynasty. Many other scholars insist that the navigators came from West African nations, such as Ghana, Mali and Songhay" Monday, March 25th 2013 at 9:26PM David Johnson
---And such Comprehension for usALL from yourSister-----dr.Artis @Irma... I agree... Now from my reading... it was the Murrs (Moors)??? -------who explored the Americas before Columbus. ---It was said that Columbus had experienced "African" Navigators whom helped Columbus during his explorations because the African's had already explored a great deal of territory in the Ameiricus... So why is it so hard to believe that AFRICAN WARRIORS/EXPLORERS could not have come before slavery?? Monday, March 25th 2013 at 11:40AM Cynthia Merrill Artis
drArtis --- and dj -----Yes ---i agree AND the important aspect 2013---of these preSlaverAmerican, preChristianAmerica----IS --AFRICAN Islaamic roots of AMERICANS of African Descent. Far Away from the ignorantRacism of 1492-1864(1964) --- that DIVIDED ourPeople----and the History, Scholarship and Science of Mankind...
Americans generally doNOT respect this History, Scholarship and Science because American Scholars or selfProfessed "whitePeople", like steve, WOULD have to STUDY History, Scholarship and Science from a nonRacist Intellectual Perspective..... They would have to ACKNOWLEDGE the Great Science and Courage of 'AFRICAN WARRIORS/EXPLORERS' and the Monotheistic Faith that gave these Great Africans --the Science and courage ---- AlIslaam, AlQur'aan and the Sunnah of Mohamed(saw) ________________________________________now ---OFF SUBJECT?
@DAVID & STEVE HAVE YOU SEEN HOW ROBERT STALKED M EON ONE OF SIEBRA'S BLOGS AND WENT AND TOLD HARRY ON ME LIKE HARRY HAS SOME KIND OF POWERS OVER ME.????? Monday, March 25th 2013 at 11:25PM ------- Irma Robinson
sweetEST irma----why LIE? ----everyone at BIA knows that SIEBRA is a BLOCKER of IslaamicWriting at BIA since 2010 --------i, robertPowell have not commented on a SiebraBlag since 2010-------FACT
AND Robert, I thought you told me you didn't believe in evolution. Monday, March 25th 2013 at 2:34PM -----Steve Williams
again, from day ONE at BIA-----i, robertPowell, have ALWAYS stated that AlIslaam IS the EVOLUTION of Monotheistic Faith of the Creator of Adaaam(as) AND that AlIslaam with AlQur'aan IS the SOURCE of MODERN Science and Technology........................
as the Human Being is Created, the Creator of Adaam(as) Created for the help to Adaam(as)----the Laws of the Universe, the Laws that the Family of Adaam(as) must Develop----
------------that littleStevey wonderER------- is AlIslaam.....in my opinion
I think they came from what is now Nigeria and Cameroon. The Guinea Current comes southeast through the Gulf of Guinea and along with the outflow of the Niger feeds into the South Equatorial Current, which goes to Central America. Also, the Bantu were iron workers and skipped the bronze age, as did cultures in Central an South America. This is something I'm looking into further. Iron would certainly make the best tools for carving giant stone heads like the Olmecs. There was also ancient trade in iron and other items, all the way from the Gulf of Guinea region across to Egypt.
I read that beans and squash originated in west Africa. Interesting, since beans and squash also were cultivated in Central America. But I need to research further. And speaking of cultivation, the African use of iron led to the development of agriculture away from hunting/gathering.
Irma, and before the Christians civilized those ignorant Americans we had what, the Muslims civilized those ignorant West Africans?
Tuesday, March 26th 2013 at 1:18PM
Steve Williams
thank you all for this Blog ...... and YES davidJohnson ---- there IS a great CREDIT overDue to be acknowledged and understood by African Americans
Can we UNDERSTAND ---- The Ghana/Mali/Songhai OR West African ISLAAMIC Empires --and what they were-- 800-1500?
North African Islaamic Empires(Egypt to Spain)---- was Islaamic culture and history from 711 until 1492.
The Ghana/Mali/Songhai ----OR West African ISLAAMIC Empires developed in CONJUNCTION with their Northern Brothers that developed toward Europe...
The Ghana Empire ----800-1200----the Songha was located in what is now Mauritania, Ghana, Senegal, Guinea, Niger, Nigeria, Chad, CAR, Mali, through Northern Cameroon. Mali and Songhai developed into NigeriaComplex societies that had existed in the region since about 1500 BCE, and around Ghana's core region since about 300 CE. When Ghana's ruling dynasty began is uncertain; it is first mentioned in documentary sources around 830 CE by Muḥammad ibn Műsâ al-Khwârizmî.-----"the father of AlGebra.........."
--The Ghana/Mali/Songhai OR West African ISLAAMIC Empires --- 800-1500
-----this LAND MASS --- INCLUDES all of The United States of America INCLUDING ALASKA and Hawaii........AND Europe--
-----Its Greatest Emperor Mansa Musa made Hajj in 1324, -----His loyal Hajjis, include 60,000 men, 12,000 servants that each carried 4-lb. gold bars, 48,000 POUNDS of GOLD, or 24 TONS of GOLD......
---------The Ghana/Mali/Songhai OR West African ISLAAMIC Empires WERE the financial lifeline of the Islaamic World----
Mansa Musa provided all necessities for the procession, feeding the entire company of men and animals. 80 camels, which carried between 50 and 300 pounds of gold dust each. ANOTHER 14,000 Pounds of GOLD, or 7 TONS of GOLD
He gave away the gold to the poor he met along his route. Musa not only gave to the cities he passed on the way to Mecca, including Cairo and Medina, but also traded gold for souvenirs. It has been recorded that he built a mosque each and every Friday.
Musa's journey was documented by several eyewitnesses along his route, who were in awe of his wealth and extensive procession, and records exist in a variety of sources, including journals, oral accounts and histories. Musa is known to have visited with the Mamluk sultan Al-Nasir Muhammad of Egypt in July 1324.
Musa's generous actions, however, inadvertently devastated the economy of the region. In the cities of Cairo, Medina and Mecca, the sudden influx of gold devalued the metal for the next decade. Prices on goods and wares super inflated in an attempt to adjust to the newfound wealth that was spreading throughout local populations. To rectify the gold market, Musa borrowed all the gold he could carry from money-lenders in Cairo, at high interest.
----------This is the ONLY time recorded in history ----- that one man directly controlled the price of gold in the Mediterranean.
Let us UNDERSTAND what The Ghana/Mali/Songhai ----OR West African ISLAAMIC Empires ---- 800-1500------REPRESENTED
-----from the Danube to the Yellow River ----- spain to Cameroon-----nile to Tanzania----Muslims Controlled most of the known World----
----The Ghana/Mali/Songhai OR West African ISLAAMIC Empires WERE the financial lifeline of the Islaamic World----
-----SO YES davidJohnson ---- there IS a great CREDIT overDue to be acknowledged and understood by the African American descendants of the Greatest Empire known to Modern Man-----greater in Influence, Culture and Scientific WorldWide achievement than ANY other......
The African American descendants of The Ghana/Mali/Songhai OR West African ISLAAMIC Empires ARE the inheritors of the GREATEST Ruler of the Greatest Empire known to Modern Man-----greater in Influence, Culture and Scientific WorldWide achievement than ANY other Empire for Social and Societal Growth the World has known.....
.....in my opinion.............
and you Mr. Johnson have brought to BIA, the online Social community for African American men, women, and families, a GREAT subject --to shatter negative stereotypes and misconceptions of olde...............BIA owes you a debt of thanks.............
sweetIrma ---- WAY off SUBJECT --- please reRead SUBJECT and my comments.....
SUBJECT------"We Came Before Columbus: Who Really Discovered the Americas"
i, was expecting from YOU, sweetIrma an ----- EDUCATE, EDUCATE, EDUCATE about the GREATNESS of OUR African Ancestors.....but we get from you 3 THREE remarks---LIKE---?
"shia and sunni and MUSIC---thoughts NOT in this SUBJECT ----- no, NO, and NO"
but
----'blackFemale'---coming in late and joining a SERIOUS discussion with --Division AND "MUSIC"?---IS a horrible------STEREOTYPE of olde'BlackPeople'----in my opinion
are you kidding me, BIA intelligencia; or JUST helping your selfProfessed -- 'whiteFriend'----littleStevey wonder KEEPING the Family of Adaam(as) DIVIDED with bsBTold...........????
but to answer your OFF SUBJECT ---3--REMARKS
yes the SHAH of IRAN was a Persian Monarch --- not shia or sunni AND if you have lived in California since 1979-----the monarchIST of IRAN were OVERTHROUGH with AlQur'aan and the Sunnah of Mohamed(saw) AND had to leave with the MONEY they STOLE in Oil, Caviar and their "MUSIC"
AND --- yes, Mohamed(saw) Married Khadija for 25 years til her demise, AND she was one of the WealthIST businessPersons of the Middle East.........
AND --- one of OUR GREATEST ancestors-------Mansa Musa --who was a SUNNI Muslim follower of AlQur'aan and the Sunnah of Mohamed(saw)-- FINANCED trips to North and South America BEFORE Columbus ----as well as the Growth of AlIslaam around the World 13-15 Century.................
but thank you again to yourSon, mr. djohnson..........
oh wow... David has evolved from Djvile..filty...thug.. etc to Mr. Johnson... Apparently David has evolved to scholarship (well atleast with this blog) LOL
@Robert... yes... how could I have forgotten about ((Its Greatest Emperor Mansa Musa made Hajj in 1324, ))
He did in fact travel throughout Africa/Asia spreading Islam.... BUT the original religion before Islam is Judahism... Agree??
____ This is undoubtedly a difficult question to answer because every religion teaches that its God or gods created the world, thus making that religion first. On this basis, Judaism would say that it was first while Islam would say that it as first.
On a historical basis, the Jewish religion was first. Monotheistic Judaism dates from the sixth or seventh century BCE, making it a thousand years older than Islam.
Calabash had been cultivated in Asia, Europe and the Americas for thousands of years before Columbus' discovery of America. Historically, in Europe,[4] Walahfrid Strabo (808–849), abbot and poet from Reichenau, advisor to the Carolingian kings, discussed it in his Latin Hortulus as one of the 23 plants of an ideal garden.[5][6]
Recent research indicates some can have an African origin and at least two unrelated domestications: one 8–9 thousand years ago, based on the analysis of archeological samples found in Asia, a second, four thousand years ago, traced from archeological discoveries in Egypt.
The mystery of the calabash – namely that this African or Eurasian species was being grown in America over 8,000 years ago[7] – came about from the difficulty in understanding how it came to be on the American continent. Genetic research on archeological samples published by the National Academy of Sciences in December 2005 suggests calabash may have been domesticated earlier than food crops and livestock and, like dogs, were brought into the New World at the end of the ice age to the native Paleo-Indians. It is supposed that bottle gourds were carried by new peoples in boats or on foot across a possible land bridge between Asia and America. Once in Florida and Mexico, bottle gourd seeds could still be viable after long periods of migration.
The rind of the domesticated calabash, unlike that of its wild counterpart, is thick and waterproof. Calabash previously was thought to have spread across oceans without human intervention, if the seeds were still able to germinate even after long periods at sea. This was the basis of the earlier, dominating theory, which proposed the calabash had drifted across the Atlantic Ocean from Africa to North and South America. The new research notes domestication had led to changes in morphology (shape) of Asian and African specimens, potentially allowing the identification of the calabash from different areas. Now, both genetic and morphological considerations show calabash found in American archaeological finds are closer to Asian calabash variants than to African ones.[8]
The English word calabash comes from Spanish calabaza with the same meaning. The origin of the Spanish word is obscure. It is possibly from Arabic qar'a yabisa "dry gourd", from Persian kharabuz, used of various large melons; or the Spanish may have come from a pre-Roman Iberian calapaccia.[9] [edit]
Here's how prejudice works to serve the facts. It was originally thought that calabash came from Africa to America by drifting across the Atlantic. But that doesn't make much sense, so now it must have come from Asia across the land bridge. No possibility that, though the calabash could have drifted from Africa all on its lonesome, that African humans could have done the same thing, bringing along food like the calabash.
Wednesday, March 27th 2013 at 4:12PM
Steve Williams
Cynthia,
You said this, “But the original religion before Islam is Judaism,.. Agree??” There is no such thing as an original religion.
I think that what you are trying to say is that Judaism is older than Islam.
As our religion (LIFE0 develop we will have an opportunity to give our opinion how God created this world as did the Jewish and Arabian people gave their opinion. .
I’ve said before that because we are an ignorant people due to no fault of our own we can not think in a straight line. Do you see my point?
You said that it doesn’t make sense that the calabash floated all by its lonesome from one continent to another continent. I don’t think that you would be so ignorant not to realize that the oceans currents are a sort of highway bring things that are not native of one continent to another continent.
For example, just recent a Japanese boat ended up in Washington State because it floated there. It was the debris that was not native to Europe washing up on the shores that convince and confirm to Columbus that the earth was round. In other words, Columbus threaded that he could sail west and reaches India and that is how the Americas were discovered.
There are records of Columbus’ voyage, but there are no records to African voyages am I right.
Stop being stupid and learn to analytically think and reason. Analytically thinking and reasoning is better than lying and conjecturing stupid man.
So Harry, the written record shows that it was known from at least the 2nd century CE that the earth was round. And Ptolemy was an Alexandrian/Egyptian/African.
Thursday, March 28th 2013 at 2:41PM
Steve Williams
Hello Steve,
Steve, you said this, “Just because there no written records doesn’t mean there is no history”.
Stupid ass! History is a written record that is why the records are called history. You are reasoning like a Jack-ass.
Anyway, you seen to be realizing that since there no records of Africans explorers it turns out that I had been right all the time.
David is stupid and so are the rest of you all. No one has been able to say that I’ve been wrong. So, when I say that I am Black America’s first genuine prophet and that Black Americans are going to become a sovereign people on the territory I’ve out lined you all are foolish not to believe me.
The greatest point I was making is that no matter what good or bad you say about Africans Black Americans are not Africans. Black American will stand on our own two feet and build a like for ourselves since we Black Americans are a new race of people. Black Americans don’t want to have anything to do with Black Africans.
In addition, you say that the Africans could have sailed from one continent to another continent just as the Calabash floated from the Americas to the African continent. Well, what is wrong with your stupid reasoning is that there are recorders of things floating in the ocean current before man was created, but there no recorders of African explorers.
SUBJECT---Kids------"We Came Before Columbus: Who Really Discovered the Americas"
AND mr.davidJohnson ---- there IS a great CREDIT overDue to be acknowledged and understood by African Americans
i have tried Above to HIGHLITE that FACT that:
-----one of OUR GREATEST African ancestors(could be related to 75% of africanAmericans)
-------Mansa Musa --who was a SUNNI Muslim follower of AlQur'aan and the Sunnah of Mohamed(saw)----------- FINANCED trips to North and South America BEFORE Columbus ----as well as the Growth of AlIslaam around the World 13-15 Century.................
13-15 CENTURIES our EuropeanAncestors were in the hold of the 'blackPlague', eating rawUnseasoned MEAT, torturing the JudaicDiaspora, KILLING themselves in 'christianWars' AND most importantly BELIEVING that the FLAT-EARTH was the center of the Universe.....
but i guess the Dr.; the selfProfessed 'whiteMan'---their sweet oldeIrma and THEIR selfProfessed 68 IQ retardant or the passion of their floggetISM------cannot COMPREHEND the signifigance of as djOHNSON --- states; "a great CREDIT overDue to be acknowledged and understood by African Americans"
now OFF SUBJECT with the sweetIrma--Family
i, robertPowell, for the Millionth Million TIME, ----have stated that i, Muslims and Mansa Musa BELIEVE/ED in the Creator of Adaam(as) ---all the Words of the Creator --- through all the Prophets of the Creator of the Universe, and ALL Nautical Abilities of the Family of Adaam(as)-----from Adaam, Nuh, through Mohamed(SAW)
Here----drArtis NOTE, that Musa(as) talks about the 'jews' that made a goldenCalf and Suleiman notes the queenSheba and ALQur'aan ---- the words of Allaah---VERIFIES all OriginalTIME...........below.............. _______________________ Sűrat AnNaml (The Ants) XXVII In the Name of Allâah,the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful
1. Tâ-Sîn. These are the Verses of AlQur’âan, and it is a Message that makes things clear:
2. A guide to the Right Path and glad tidings for the Believers -who believe in the Oneness of Allâah - Monotheism.
3. Those who perform AsSalât (IqâmatAsSalât) and give Zakât and they believe with certainty in the Hereafter - resurrection, recompense of their good and bad deeds, Paradise and Hell.
4. Those who do not believe in the Hereafter, We have made their deeds fair-seeming to them, so that they wander about blindly.
5. They are those for whom there will be an evil torment in this world. And in the Hereafter they will be the greatest losers.
6. And, you Mohamed are being taught AlQur’âan from One, All-Wise, All-Knowing.
7. Remember when Műsâ (Moses) said to his household: "I have seen a fire; I will bring you from there some information, or I will bring you a burning brand, that you may warm yourselves."
8. But when he came to it, he was called: "Blessed is who ever is in the fire, and who ever is round about it! And glorified be Allâah, the Rabbee of the ‘Âlamîn (mankind, jinn and all that exists).
9. "Műsâ! Verily it is I, Allâah, the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.
10. "And throw down your stick!" But when he saw it moving as if it were a snake, he turned in flight, and did not look back. "O Műsâ! Fear not: verily the Messengers fear not in front of Me.
11. "Except him who has done wrong and afterwards has changed evil for good; then surely, I am Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
12. "And put your hand into your bosom, it will come forth white without hurt. (These are) among the nine signs to Fir‘aun (Pharaoh) and his people. Verily they are a people who are Fâsiqűn (rebellious, disobedient to Allâah).
13. But when Our Ayât (proofs, evidence, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) came to them, clear to see, they said: "This is a manifest magic." 14. The Fâsiqűn belied those Ayât - wrongfully and arrogantly, though their ownselves were convinced those (Ayât ) are from Allâah, and Műsâ is the Messenger of Allâah in truth, but they disliked to obey Műsâ, and hated to believe in his Message of Monotheism. So see what was the end of the Mufsidűn (disbelievers, disobedient to Allâah, evil-doers and liars.).
15. And indeed We gave knowledge to Dâwűd (David) and Sulaimân (Solomon), and they both said: "All the praises and thanks be to Allâah, Who has preferred us above many of His believing slaves!"
16. And Sulaimân inherited the knowledge of Dâwűd. He said: "O mankind! We have been taught the language of birds, and on us have been bestowed all things. This is an evident grace from Allâah."
17. And there were gathered before Sulaimân his hosts of jinn and men, and birds, and they all were set in battle order - marching forward.
18. Till, when they came to the valley of the ants, one of the ants said: "O ants! Enter your dwellings, or Sulaimân and his hosts should crush you, while they perceive not."
19. So Sulaimân smiled, amused at her speech and said: "My Rabbee! Grant me the power and ability that I may be grateful for Your Favours which You bestowed on me and on my parents, and that I may do righteous good deeds that will please You, and admit me by Your Mercy among Your righteous slaves."
20. He inspected the birds, and said: "What is the matter that I see not the hoopoe(bird)? Or is he among the absentees?
21. "I will surely punish him with a severe torment, or slaughter him, unless he brings me a clear reason."
22. But the hoopoe stayed not long: he came up and said: "I have grasped the knowledge of a thing which you have not grasped and I have come to you from Saba’ (Sheba) with true news.
23. "I found a woman ruling over them: she has been given all things that could be possessed by any ruler of the earth, and she has a great throne.
24. "I found her and her people worshipping the sun instead of Allâah, and Shaitân (Satan) has made their deeds fair-seeming to them, and has barred them from Allâah’s Way: so they have no guidance."
OFF SUBJECT and selfProfessed 68IQ RETARDANT....mrHarryWatley
SUBJECT: 'We Came Before Columbus: Who Really Discovered the Americas"
i apologive mr.Johnson as i do not like to goOFF Subject with Retardants
TO HARRY: 1. can you just delete your Friday, March 29th 2013 at 4:03PM COMMENT? 2. youWROTE: "Moses was a follower of Al-Quran"-----i have NEVER or WOULD NEVER write any of yourFalse or RETARDANT comments............... 3. can you PLEASE recognize ----- as the djohnson, exVILEST writingKing of BIA---did ----when the internetPolice stopped his OBSCENITY ---- STOP--- that 'black'OBSCENITY ______________________ thank you for your offSubject Remark because it leads to point of FACT: mrHarryWatley
or to - my subSubject---knowledge from Africa was always before Columbus America and Columbus Europe
-----since Ibraheem(as) ---- a Prophet of Monotheism----had 3 THREE--wives(atLeast)
----the first wifeWith child---Hajar ---- of Habishaiya(Egyptian/Sudani/Ethiopian Africa) had a child named Ismaeel(as)--Another Prophet of Monotheism
----and then a second wife, Sara--as well as being his half-sister, the daughter of his father Terah (Genesis 20:12). Sara had Ishaq(as) ---- Another Prophet of Monotheism
----Genesis 25:1-4 Abraham took another wife, whose name was Ketu'rah. She bore him Zimran('Imran-family of Maryam), Jokshan, Medan, Mid'ian, Ishbak(Ishaq), and Shuah(Shuaib). Jokshan was the father of Sheba and Dedan. The sons of Dedan were Asshu'rim, Letu'shim, and Le-um'mim. The sons of Mid'ian were Ephah, Epher, Hanoch, Abi'da, and Elda'ah--Hud, people of Ad and many other Monotheistic People.
so again harry,
lets make it SIMPLE
you are of African Descent i am of African Descent Monotheism is of African Descent(Ibraheem, his family --preCendants and descendants)
they ONLY, as djohson is stillTRYING to figure out----became a 'colorPurple-blackWhite'----due to paganChristian colorWorship from our European Ancestors.....
is THAT stupid and nonTHINKING enough for your 68 IQ---?
ROBERT YOUR NO DIFFERENT THEN HARRY ,,,YOU WANT EVERYONE TO BELIEVE WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT ISLAM ,OR THEY ARE A BUNCH OF NAMES ,,,HERE THE THING YOUR BOTH DUMB TO THE POINT YOU CANT RESPECT OTHER PEOPLES OPINION ,YOU TRY TO BOX PEOPLE IN THROUGH NAME CALLING WHICH ONLY SHOWCASES YOUR LIMITED '' CAPACITY TO THING RATIONALLY ,WHEN YOU RUN OUT OF RATIONAL THINKING OR COMMUNICATION AND YOU RESORT TO NAME CALLING ITS YOUR WARP MINDS CANT THINK ! 2 DUMMIES FIGHTING FOR EMPTY SPACE !!
Friday, March 29th 2013 at 6:44PM
DAVID JOHNSON
MOM very good scholarship information I want to add that THE HUMAN JOURNEY MIGRATION ROUTES When humans first ventured out of Africa some 60,000 years ago, they left genetic footprints still visible today. By mapping the appearance and frequency of genetic markers in modern peoples, we create a picture of when and where ancient humans moved around the world. These great migrations eventually led the descendants of a small group of Africans to occupy even the farthest reaches of the Earth.
Saturday, March 30th 2013 at 12:14AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Our species is an African one: Africa is where we first evolved, and where we have spent the majority of our time on Earth. The earliest fossils of recognizably modern Homo sapiens appear in the fossil record at Omo Kibish in Ethiopia, around 200,000 years ago. Although earlier fossils may be found over the coming years, this is our best understanding of when and approximately where we originated.
According to the genetic and paleontological record, we only started to leave Africa between 60,000 and 70,000 years ago. What set this in motion is uncertain, but we think it has something to do with major climatic shifts that were happening around that time—a sudden cooling in the Earth’s climate driven by the onset of one of the worst parts of the last Ice Age. This cold snap would have made life difficult for our African ancestors, and the genetic evidence points to a sharp reduction in population size around this time. In fact, the human population likely dropped to fewer than 10,000. We were holding on by a thread.
Once the climate started to improve, after 70,000 years ago, we came back from this near-extinction event. The population expanded, and some intrepid explorers ventured beyond Africa. The earliest people to colonize the Eurasian landmass likely did so across the Bab-al-Mandab Strait separating present-day Yemen from Djibouti. These early beachcombers expanded rapidly along the coast to India, and reached Southeast Asia and Australia by 50,000 years ago. The first great foray of our species beyond Africa had led us all the way across the globe.
Slightly later, a little after 50,000 years ago, a second group appears to have set out on an inland trek, leaving behind the certainties of life in the tropics to head out into the Middle East and southern Central Asia. From these base camps, they were poised to colonize the northern latitudes of Asia, Europe, and beyond.
Around 20,000 years ago a small group of these Asian hunters headed into the face of the storm, entering the East Asian Arctic during the Last Glacial Maximum. At this time the great ice sheets covering the far north had literally sucked up much of the Earth’s moisture in their vast expanses of white wasteland, dropping sea levels by more than 300 feet. This exposed a land bridge that connected the Old World to the New, joining Asia to the Americas. In crossing it, the hunters had made the final great leap of the human journey. By 15,000 years ago they had penetrated the land south of the ice, and within 1,000 years they had made it all the way to the tip of South America. Some may have even made the journey by sea.
The story doesn’t end there, of course. The rise of agriculture around 10,000 years ago—and the population explosion it created—has left a dramatic impact on the human gene pool. The rise of empires, the astounding oceangoing voyages of the Polynesians, even the extraordinary increase in global migration over the past 500 years could all leave traces in our DNA. There are many human journey questions waiting to be asked and answered.
What stories are waiting to be told in your own DNA?
Like bloodhounds on the fading scent of an escaped convict, researchers have tried for decades to trace the ancient footsteps of the first modern humans who left Africa. Even though this exodus was one of the most important events in human evolution, scientists have been unable to pinpoint when and where it began. Now, using ancient DNA for the first time from ancient Europeans such as Ötzi, the famous Iceman, and from earlier fossils, a team of evolutionary geneticists has dated the start of this legendary journey to less than 95,000 years ago and, possibly, as recently as 62,000 years ago.
The findings fit with the evidence from fossils and stone tools, but they contradict a spate of recent genetic studies. Those studies determined the mutation rate for the entire genome from living humans by counting the number of new mutations that arise in the nuclear DNA of a newborn baby compared with its parents. The number of mutations per generation—the mutation rate—can be used to fine-tune a molecular clock that has long been used to date key events in human evolution. This supposedly better molecular clock has pushed back several important dates, such as when the ancestors of humans and chimps split and the exodus of modern humans out of Africa. Indeed, one team revised the date of the migration out of Africa from less than 80,000 years ago to at least 90,000 to 130,000 years ago. http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2013... Saturday, March 30th 2013 at 12:16AM
DAVID JOHNSON
I may have told you Irma, I've done stonemasonry and a blacksmithing among other things. So naturally I've been curious how the Olmec heads were carved. Oh, and how those Egyptian granite blocks for the pyramids were cut.
Cutting granite with bronze or iron tools?
A new method by Franz Löhner
For the construction of Khufu's pyramid granite was used for the first time on a grand scale, mainly for the burial chamber, the passages and for the sarcophagus. This page is about how the hard granite could be split and cut. Franz Löhner shows, that granite can't be processed without iron tools!
Stonemasonry is for building walls, paving, castles, pyramids... it's architectural. But quarrying and sculpturing use related tools. Any modern stonemason, sculptor or quarrier uses Iron tools. Just like the Egyptians and the Olmec did.
Saturday, March 30th 2013 at 1:21AM
Steve Williams
Hi Harry.
Saturday, March 30th 2013 at 2:56AM
Nebrod Chous
OFF SUBJECT with ---selfProfessed 68IQ RETARDANT....mrHarryWatley--- and now mom and son OFF SUBJECT?
SUBJECT KIDS: 'We Came Before Columbus: Who Really Discovered the Americas"
i apologize mr.Johnson as i do not like to goOFF Subject or Even OFF your subSUBJECT----"This society has for thousands of years embraced the cultural accomplishments of Africa and Africans for thousands of years, but today stubbornly refuses to give credit where credit is due. It owes a psychic and spiritual debt .....
Until it is paid it will forever be plagued with a host of problems that come from failing to honor its Scientific Ancestors."
i would only WANT to stay on SUBJECT-----as i AGREE 100% that CREDIT needs to be given to Africa and the AFRICAN because the euroPEAN Americans of COLUMBUS took AWAY credit with their paganChristian racistIgnorance of slaverAmericana 1492-1864(1964)
and as much as i would love to go OFF SUBJECT with Paleontology, nonRecorded History and rhetoricalMythology
---Hey my college major was Anthropology with a subMajor of Archeology
....NO --- i want to address the simplisticRemarks of the stereotypical oldeFamily unit that BIA---an African American Family Site wishes to shatter..........
----i want to FOLLOW subject and give CREDIT to the---------------fathers/mothers/aunts/uncles/GRANDPARENTS of the African Slave STOLEN from his/her Land in Africa ______________ so?
''CAPACITY TO THING RATIONALLY"----ROBERT YOUR NO DIFFERENT THEN HARRY ,,,YOU WANT EVERYONE TO BELIEVE .....ISLAM" Friday, March 29th 2013 at 6:44PM ----- David Johnson
is that --think--or -- your thing?------if you Believe Verily, that i and the retardant harry are the same---that oldeStereotype of negroid IRRATIONALITY is YOU, dj
and i, robertPowell study and SUBMIT to AlIslaam, AlQur'aan and the Sunnah of Mohamed(saw) ---i follow AlQur'aan --- Allaah writes ---- "there is NO compulsion in DeenAlIslaam" ____________
POOR ROBERT AS I BELIEVE MY BROTHER RABBIT HAS BLOWN ROBERT'SMIND ---THANKS STEVE MY WHITE BROGHER...EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!!... ...BECAUSE BEING HUMAN BEANS IS UNIVERSAL... Friday, March 29th 2013 at 8:02PM Irma Robinson
first, sweetIrma---have your "STEVE MY WHITE BROGHER, a HUMAN BEANS"-----educate you in ENGLISH, not ebonics
.......AND your "WHITE BROGHER" has CHANGED his name back to ADAM----from STEVE---back to ADAM---after myWriting bluwwww him OUT...... ____________
THE HUMAN JOURNEY MIGRATION ROUTES When humans first ventured out of Africa some 60,000 years ago,------Saturday, March 30th 2013 at 12:14AM David Johnson
again, big guy MY READING of yourSUBJECT is to FOLLOW subject and give CREDIT to the fathers/mothers/aunts/uncles/GRANDPARENTS of the African Slave STOLEN from his/her Land in Africa-----for African Americans 2013-----
ALL HUMAN BEINGS-----know that the EARTH was ONCE ---1 --- ONE---landMass ---- and the Science of landPlates, gravity ---The things the Creator of Adaam(as) also CREATED---- allows us to understand that Mankind was a LAND creature and moved with the LAND...........(60,000 years ago? --euroThought- you got to be kidding) ---------------
hey Guys----we can debate OFF SUBJECT on ANY of littleStevey wonders----blags-----and find Adam's Fate
BUT
lets EXPLORE this great SUBJECT of our dearBrogher dj---exBLOG King
WELL LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE LOST YOUR MIND AND RESORTED TO YOUR BS AGAIN , I STOP YOU FROM WORSHIPING THAT FAKE GHOST ISLAM AND TAUGHT YOU HOW TO ADDRESS ME AS THE BLOG KING ,,,NOW YOUR IN LINE FOR ME TO TEACH YOU WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A STRONG BLACK MAN ,,YOU JUST KEEP FOLLOWING ME ,,,YOUR LEARNING AT A SLOW PACE BUT AT LEAST YOUR LEARNING !
Saturday, March 30th 2013 at 2:45PM
DAVID JOHNSON
On subject:
San Lorenzo Colossal Head 1 (click on my profile pic).
This sculpture undeniably portrays an African (yes Harry, I can tell an African when I see one). Not only that, look at the incredibly fine detail and workmanship. It dates to before 900 BCE, and is 9.3 ft. high by 6.9 ft. wide, 25.3 tons. Now wikipedia says this:
Archaeological investigation of Olmec basalt workshops suggest that the colossal heads were first roughly shaped using direct percussion to chip away both large and small flakes of stone. The sculpture was then refined by retouching the surface using hammerstones, which were generally rounded cobbles that could be of the same basalt as the monument itself, although this was not always the case. Abrasives were found in association with workshops at San Lorenzo, indicating their use in the finishing of fine detail.
The wikipedia author doesn't know what he's talking about. I happen to know about percussion and pressure flaking, about the use of hammerstones and antler tools for stonework, and on a basalt boulder of this size they would not be effective tools to achieve this level of precision and detail.
The wikipedia author has a preconception that the Olmecs didn't have iron tools. Just like the Egyptologists have a preconception that the Egyptians didn't have iron tools and used bronze tools to cut huge blocks of granite. Ridiculous.
The Olmec heads are African, the iron tools are African, the technology of moving these boulders is African. The Olmec civilization came about when Africans came to Veracruz by about 1000 BCE.
i, thought I cured you of that filthyVile ghettoWriting! ___________ WELL LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE LOST YOUR MIND AND RESORTED TO YOUR BS AGAIN , I STOP YOU FROM WORSHIPING THAT FAKE GHOST ISLAM AND TAUGHT YOU HOW TO ADDRESS ME AS THE BLOG KING ,,,NOW YOUR IN LINE FOR ME TO TEACH YOU WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A STRONG BLACK MAN ,,YOU JUST KEEP FOLLOWING ME ,,,YOUR LEARNING AT A SLOW PACE BUT AT LEAST YOUR LEARNING !
________LMAO___________ you guys are a hoot!!
Saturday, March 30th 2013 at 3:56PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
DAMN ,,ROBERT POWELL,,,,YOU HAVEN'T DONE A DAMn THING FOR AFRICANS , Black american ,the white youth ,,the old white man ,the older white woman , the muslin Christians or the damn Jews ,,YOUR A LOST COMPLAINER..... STILL SITTING IN THE SUGGESTION BOX ! ,,,,,
Saturday, March 30th 2013 at 5:06PM
DAVID JOHNSON
BUT YOU still chasing that black THANG !
Saturday, March 30th 2013 at 5:08PM
DAVID JOHNSON
you live to what i just commented Harry ,,you cant do **** for my people !
Saturday, March 30th 2013 at 6:04PM
DAVID JOHNSON
On p. 124 of the player’s manual we see a list titled “Further Reading.” The heading says, “A wide variety of sources were consulted for this game. Among the many books examined, the following were found especially interesting and are recommended for further reading.” There follows a number of historical works all subscribing to the Ionian Enchantment, save one, Man God and Civilization, by John G. Jackson.
Whereas the other works are described in a positive often glowing light, the tagline for Man God and Civilization reads, “An alternative view that proposes not only humans but civilization also arose in Africa; not convincing.” But if the book is “not convincing,” why was it included in a list “recommended for further reading?” Why did the makers of the game purposely go out of their way to single out claims of African accomplishment only to disparage them?
At the same time, however, the cover of the manual, which has the word “CIVILIZATION” emblazoned across the top, is dominated by a picture of the New York skyline with the figure of a pharaoh buried underneath it, giving the clear impression that Egypt was, in fact, the fountainhead of Civilization.
This society has for thousands of years embraced the cultural accomplishments of Africa and Africans for thousands of years, but today stubbornly refuses to give credit where credit is due. It owes a psychic and spiritual debt to the Motherland. Until it is paid it will forever be plagued with a host of problems that come from failing to honor its Scientific Ancestors. . .
society has for thousands of years embraced the cultural accomplishments of Africa and Africans for thousands of years, but today stubbornly refuses to give credit where credit is due. It owes a psychic and spiritual debt to the Motherland.
Saturday, March 30th 2013 at 6:05PM
DAVID JOHNSON
mrDavidJohnson, way OFF yourSUBJECT and forgetting the internetPolice!
for you and yourUncle harry --- from 720-1492-----770+ YEARS ------the Muslim Empire of North/West Africa----took the Oaths of Faith from the Spanish, Portuguese, Pyrenneans, Corscians, Sicilian and French----AND spread their DNA for a PERIOD longer than the northernEuropean paganChristians barbarously --- hurt the African.......
the only change to the African was the raping of theirMinds---and as the ex blogKing writes: "LOST YOUR MIND"---and became, latinJesus 'blackMen'-----
Good for you! You are analytically reasoning when you ask who these African explorers were. What African country were these explorers from because Africa is a continent with many different countries so we want to be specific.
Put these knuckleheads like Steve and David who say that there were African explorers back up against the wall and make them produce the names and countries these Africans explorers came from if they are not lying.
In California, descendnats of the fierce "Black Californians" who were a Negroid people of African racial origins and the original owners of California and the South WEST (BEFORE THE SPANISH INVSION...OR THE CREATION OF THE MIXED RACE "HISPANIC" ETHNIC GROUP. Many African-Americans in California are of Black Californian ancestry and their great grand parents were among the original Black Californians who were victims of Spanish Californio enslavement and Anglo American settler attacks. In fact, the Black Californian fought until the late 1800's to maintain control of their ancestral lands from the settlers. THAT'S A FACT.
Yet, the Wa****aw is merely one nation of the descendants of pre-columbian Blacks from Africa and elsewhere and possibly from right here in the Americas as the very first people to exist here, long before the development of the Mongoloid, American Indians or the Mongoloid( 15,000 B.C.) or even the Caucasian races (30,000 B.C.). Pure Black Homosapiens began to migrate from Africa and populate the entire earth about 200,000 to 150,000 years ago, according to scientists, historians and anthropologists.
SUBJECT KIDS: 'We Came Before Columbus: Who Really Discovered the Americas"
AND
sweetIrmas' DJ-----subSUBJECT----- ----"This society has for thousands of years embraced the cultural accomplishments of Africa and Africans for thousands of years, ..today stubbornly refuses to give credit where credit is due. It owes a psychic and spiritual debt ..... Until it is paid it will forever be plagued with a host of problems that come from failing to honor its Scientific Ancestors."
-------DRUM ROLL----------------------------THE AFRICAN EMPIRE -----that DISCOVERED and Cooperated with nativeAmericas BEFORE COLUMBUS----
-----one of OUR GREATEST African ancestors(could be related to 75% of africanAmericans)
-----Mansa Musa --who was Supreme Ruler of the African Muslim Empire -----FINANCED trips to North and South America BEFORE Columbus ----as well as the Growth of AlIslaam around the World 13-15 Century.................
----after 1000 HITS and REREADING ----- BIA, has positively FOLLOWED subject and given CREDIT to the---------------fathers/mothers/aunts/uncles/GRANDPARENTS/ELDERS of the African Slave STOLEN from his/her Land in Africa
You say that Africans were stolen from their land. How can thousands of people be stolen from their land? There is no such thing as stealing people stupid! You can steal inanimate objects, but people can never be stolen.
The way you express your self is a clue to how develop your analytical thinking is and to believe that people can be stolen is not logical thinking.
I can understand your stupid way of thinking because you think that it does not matter to claim the Arabian Prophet Mohammed as your prophet and you are not an Arab man. If you think that you are right then why are prophets racially different?
SUBJECT KIDS: 'We Came Before Columbus: Who Really Discovered the Americas"
mrHarryWatley--'stolePeople' is NOT correct for the selfProfessed 68 IQ Retardant Americans---------HOW BOUT--------KIDNAPPED people for youALL--'blackWhitePeople'?
your PERSISTENT pettiNESS seems to always go down the 'black'Hole of LOGIC
LOGIC -------
--- tells the 2013 Thinker that SINCE the Columbus Crowd of paganEuropean christianRacist-colorWorshippers-- could NOT travel EAST to get to the CIVILIZED wealth of India ----- BECAUSE the Muslim Empire of the UTHMANIA controlled russia, balkans, HolyLand and the MEDITERRANEAN
AND
the Columbus Crowd of paganEuropean christianRacist-colorWorshippers-- could not go SOUTH, cause the Muslim Empires of Africa prevented them----they could only go accross the Atlantic
AND
LOGICALLY---
To secure lowCost workers for Americas ignorantRacist slaverAmericana 1492-1864(1964) --- ignorantRacist slavers; in singularShips---had to sneak--and HAD to STEAL------ weak, oldeAfricans, or African Children lost in the forest----to populate their plantations of ignorantRacist--torture, KIDNAPPING, pedophiLia and Murder.....
mr.HarryWatley ----- DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE TO YOU?
Okay, your thinking is moving in the right direction, but to better understand the proper use of the word kidnap. You can kidnap a person, but you can not kidnap thousands of people over a period of hundreds of years. The word kidnap is not the right word to use. The right word to use is ‘taken’. And the Africans had no power to prevent themselves from being taken by the bad guys, am I right.
good Question ------- mr.HarryWatley-------djOHNSONS SUBJECT!
and sweetIrma's son DJ and subComments-Subject-----mr.DavidJohnson wants CREDITATION............?
----"This society has for thousands of years embraced the cultural accomplishments of Africa and Africans for thousands of years, ..today stubbornly refuses to give credit where credit is due. It owes a psychic and spiritual debt ..... Until it is paid it will forever be plagued with a host of problems that come from failing to honor its Scientific Ancestors."
That the 'soCalled' intelligence----the 'soCalled' civilization----the 'soCalled' religion and colorWorship--that the slaveDescendant EMBRACED in 1865 has given them disCreditation in American History!
mr.DavidJohnson wants CREDITATION............?
----evenThough so-called 'blackPeople' ----have been in AMerica LONGER than any ----- but natives ----2013
so-called 'blackPeople' ----the majority have to still identify themselves as a ignorant racistColor--CONFUSING 2013 ----many live at the LOWEST levels of Society ----many live in broken Families ----many live in prison ----2013 shows that 'blackPerson' as the MOST disCREDITED American
....even Asians and Hispanic are the TRUE Americans that VOTED and MADE the Greatest American -- OUR LEADER President Baraaka Hussein Obama............a Man whose Father was an African Muslim----neverSlave -- never'Black'-----just a freeChoice American......
Senator Obama REFUSED the Iraq Crusade --- WHY?
because
the Sovereign President Baraaaka Hussein Obama has ACCREDITATION ---from African History, Scholarship and Science-----and has earned from America his scientific, psychic and spiritual Humanity.......
In a scholarly monograph Professor Lawrence asserts:
That Africans voyaged across the Atlantic before the era of Christopher Columbus is no recent belief. Scholars have long speculated that a great seafaring nation which sent its ships to the Americas once existed on Africa's west coast. . . . We can now positively state that the Mandingoes of the Mali and Songhay Empires, and probably other Africans, crossed the Atlantic to carry on trade with the Western Hemisphere Indians, and further succeeded in establishing colonies throughout the Americas. In denying the claim of Columbus' discovery of the New World, Professor Lawrence asserted: Proof of this is denced by the fact that Columbus was informed by some men, when he stopped at the Cape Verde Islands, off the coast of Africa, that Negroes had been known to set out into the " Atlantic from the Guinea Coast in canoes loaded with merchandise Harold G. Lawrence, African Explorers of The New World (New York. and steering toward the west. The same Christopher Columbusfurther informed by the Indians of Hispaniola, when he arrived the West Indies, that they had been able to obtain gold from Black men who had come from across the sea from the south and Southeast. ... It must also be added Amerigo Vespucci, on his voyage to the Americas, witnessed these same Black men out in the Atlantic returning to Africa.
I asked you assuming Mr. Lawrence and you are right that Africans came to this continent before Columbus how does that have anything to do with us Black Americans since we are not Africans people. How does this benefit us Black Americans.? How other people’s accomplishments does benefit us Black Americans?
Why it is that we Black Americans can promote other races all the time but we can’t do the same for ourselves? Are we a stupid?
Please answer my question, how does it benefit us Black Americans that the Africans came here before Columbus?
Harry you never cease to amaze me as to how dumb you really are ,,if you read the out line of this blog all your questions will be answered ,your to old for us to hold your hand and walk you down the halls of black history ,,,balck american history and African history ,but what this all proves is that you assumption that black america started with slavery is a complete fabrication of your mind and is coming from the mouth of a complete idiot names HARRY ! PLESE STOP ,,DISGRACING OUR PEOPLE WITH YOUR STUPID THEORY'S UNEDUCATED,CONCEPTS AND YOUR BLABBERING THAT YOUR A PROPHET FROM GOD ;;;your all played out ,,now i allowerd you to comment now go away and keep your comments to your self ,,your words are useless and taking up space !
Sunday, March 31st 2013 at 6:16PM
DAVID JOHNSON
we at at a stage in this blog where the reader can see the facts SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES ! JUST READ !
Sunday, March 31st 2013 at 6:18PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Harry... As a professed Prophet... Should it be advantageous to you as a leader to understand that the lies have be taught of how we were an inferior people. Today's Sciences and Arts are proving FACTS TO Theories ... Africans which still runs through my DNA .. BACK THEN... were Warriors, Traders, Explorers, Religious Scholars, were INTELLIGENT enough to explore territories and leave their markings way before the Enlightenment Peroid of the European Nation... The Whites stole from every being they came in contact with... Spanish! Portugese! Dutch! Thought they could invade Haiti!!
And yes Harry in my above post I stated that the California African's were captured and enslaved...
Stupid?? Based on what?
Harry Black African Americans have always been a Socialistic Society opposed to an Individualistic Society.... But slowly their is a drifting towards Individualistic Point of View (following the White European View)
Firstly, Black African history began in Africa thousands of years before Black American history. You don’t seem to understand that Black Americans and African Americans are two entirely racially different people from different parts of this world.
Black American existence and history began in this country when the many White old slaver-master bred himself repeatedly for 300 years with his human slaves. And, when slavery was abolished in 1865 there were over 22 million Black American slaves that were a new race of people.
It is not the slavery that I am pointing to. It is the systematic breeding process is what I am pointing to that we came from and particularly slavery stupid.
Slavery did not make us a new race of people. It was the breeding process that made us a new race of people and your stupid brain is having difficultly processing this information.
I’ve been telling you this same information for the past 4 years.
Let’s try to clear this up. You say that African DNA runs in your blood are I right. If you don’t accept that we are a new race of people because African DNA runs in your blood than you would also have to admit the Caucasian DNA also runs in your blood am I right.
Clear that up for me. What did you do with the Caucasian DNA? How did you rid of the Caucasian DNA in you blood to claim that all you have is African DNA? You are not analytically thinking and reasoning in a straight line.
You must come to see and understand that we are a new race of people!
I’ve already explain that you should understand it by understanding how and why a nectarine fruit is a new fruit even though it took a peach and a plum tree to make a nectarine tree. Likewise, it took the female African slaves and the Caucasian sperms breeding for 300 years that produced the new race of the Black American people.
You all need to get that African **** out of your minds. No Black Americans came to this continent on slave ships. Only Africans came here on slaves ships from many different countries in Africa.
OK... Harry let's purpose this: Let's say that my 6th generation grandfather was a member of the WOLOF tribe! And captured into Slavery... My 6th generation grandfather has many wives and many descendents before his capture. After his enslavement and placed on a plantation in Virginia and was given a Native American Slave... they birth my 5th generation grandfather, whom marries a mulatto slave, they give birth to now an African/Native/European/Dutch child... by my birth my blood now consists of the african, the native, the european, dutch in the Americas.... And I have Family still descendents of the Wolof Tribe in Africa.
Harry science is science Genetics/Forensics/DNA... We can't burn it away!!
Black/Coons/Octoroons/Colored... still AFRICANS.. you can call it what you may but we are not a new race we are africans whom has been tainted with the blood of different races...
I'm with you Irma, I'm enjoying the Harry and Robert show.
Monday, April 1st 2013 at 1:46AM
Nebrod Chous
Cynthia,
Let me ask you this. Of course you know the late author of the book Roots by Mr. Alex Haley.
He said he traced his ancestors back to Cambia Africa., but I know that his family tree only go back only as far as 7 generations to his great African grand rather Kunta Kenta, but he traced Kunta Kenta to Cambia, Africa. Would you say that Mr. Alex Haley is African and not a new race because there are millions of others having the same circumstances as Mr. Haley?
My question still would be what did you do with the old slave master’s DNA Whites were constantly breeding their sperms into their slaves if you think you are an African woman from Africa. .
Again Harry... I am an African Woman who contains the blood of my African Ancestors, My Native Ancestors, My French , Dutch and Caucasian/Europeans Ancestors....
BUT when you see me... you don't see the Dutch.. French.. You see a Brown Skin woman of color whom embraces the African and Native Blood that runs through my veins from way back then.... that I have passed on to my sons!
again Harry science is science Genetics/Forensics/DNA... We can't burn it away!!
Black/Coons/Octoroons/Colored... still AFRICANS.. you can call it what you may but we are not a new race we are africans whom has been tainted with the blood of different races...
I asked you a question concerning Mr. Haley and to analytically reason out the answer to my question. I did not ask your dump-ass anything about what you think you are. You have already explain what you think you are and why you think so and that led me to see how you reason out Mr. Haley’s race.
I am using Mr. Haley because maybe you might come to see that you are wrong. And, I believe that you know that you are wrong because you can not talk about the White man’s DNA present in our race and since his DNA is he verily present in us it would make us a new race of people that I’ve been saying now for years.
The control breed process lasting by the White men for 300 years supports me that we would be a new race of people born out of the ashes of plantation slavery. . I have truth and intelligent thinking on my side and you have nothing on your side but you stupid feeling.
FROM: Dr. Arthur Lewin EMAIL: xxxxxxxxxx DEPARTMENT: general MESSAGE: Thank you for using my article Who Discovered America which talks about the African Presence before Columbus.
Monday, April 1st 2013 at 7:36PM
DAVID JOHNSON
HARRY ,,,WHY WOULD I LIE ,,,???
Tuesday, April 2nd 2013 at 8:17PM
DAVID JOHNSON
David,
The reason and motive that you would lie is to prop your self up. You asked me an easy question.
SUBJECT KIDS: 'We Came Before Columbus: Who Really Discovered the Americas"
again, thanky You, dj-----DISCOVERY is ACCREDITATION __________________ thank the Creator of Adaam(as) for doctors!-- cynthia is a great help and reader of English WITH a understanding and comprehension, in my opinion ________________ BUT ----i go away to the 'home of the blues'--DISCOVERD----by Jean Baptiste Point Du Sable
and -----harry --- i answered your question above --- i, know the 68IQ thang is the BLUES, but learn something---get a volunteer to read to you ___________________ whooe nellie! ----- and sweetIrma; having WON against Cancer?----is continuing her misEducation of History and destruction of the English language and some BLUES from msIrma-----
"IT IS AN ABSOLUT SHAME HOW WE HAVE TURNED RELIGIONS INTO A WEAPON IN A RACE TO SEE IF MANKIND WILL KILLITS SELF OFF FIRST OR WILL KILL OFF EARTH AND MAN MUST GO UP WITH THE DISTRUCTION OF OUR PLANET, BEFORE WE CAN FIND ANOTHER ONE TO DISTROY"--------Sunday, March 31st 2013 at 4:01PM -------Irma Robinson
"@ROBERT, NOW TO WIPE ...ROBERT'S ....CREATOR'S BELIEFS ON THE WORLD IS STILL FLAT ....WE WERE NOT HUMANS BUT PROPERTY---"I" CAN NOT FAIL TO NOTICE YOU CALL THE PERSIAN EMPIRE EVERY THING YU POSIABLELY CAN BUT "PERSIAN EMPIRE" Sunday, March 31st 2013 at 2:22PM ------Irma Robinson
-----NO sweetIrma---- yourReligion----- mayBE
-----AlIslaam is NOT.............. i never mentioned persian--------Uthmania...OK
I'm with you Irma, I'm enjoying the .....Robert show. Monday, April 1st 2013 at 1:46AM -------Nebrod Chous ------at 1:46AM --- you are conversing with cancerWinner irma? ---- in nebroodISM?
DISCOVERY leads to ACCREDITATION
let BIA give ACCREDITATION --- to the----fathers/mothers/aunts/uncles/GRANDPARENTS/ELDERS of the African--- FORCIBLY taken from his/her Land in Africa for the BLUES thang ----we might call - slaverAmericana1492-1864(1964)
HArrY I LEAVE THAT TO YOUR DUMB ass ,,,,,,im good !
now if you dont have any real info to add to this blog ,,,then go away ,,i will dlete all that prophet bs from now on ,,,matter of fact save me some time and DONT COMMENT !
Thursday, April 4th 2013 at 5:13PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Here is a picture of the Olmec Maize God. Now I just need to find a good picture of Osiris for comparison. I've got one around here somewhere.
Steve---SUBJECT --We Came Before Columbus: Who Really Discovered the Americas
-----there are pyramids LARGER, OLDER and MORE numerous in China, Bosnia and Indonesia than those in MiddleAmerica........
-----i just saw an Artistic Statue in the Art Institute of Chicago(DISCOVERED by Jean Baptiste Point Du Sable) ---- that preDATES by 2013 Science ALL of the unCivilized Olmec paganSymbols....
so, by steveRULES, should i OR BIA now take the SUBJECT of this blog by mrDavidJohnson ---- OFF course LIKE you do?
NO
-----the sign of DEBATE defeat, in my opinon, is taking the debate OFF course......
lets get back to the DISCOVERY of AMERICA before Columbus ---- and SEARCH for the ACCREDITATION that our SUBJECT Author has asked.......
To give CREDIT to the African American Dr. Ivan Van Sertima by USING-----
------Sankofa (the Arabic West African term meaning “to go back and fetch” one’s ancestoral culture)
AND
------explore the debt owed by Columbus to the GREAT WestAfrican Muslim Empires that gave Columbus and Spain the mathematics, map making, and ship building necessary for Columbus to "tame the euroMinded flatEARTHERS and seaMonster euroThinkers".......
“Whoever these Black people were, they most certainly sailed to America in ancient and medieval times and left a profound imprint on New World soil. As Jairazbhoy notes: ‘The Black (man) began his career in America not as slave but as master.’”
((And for you Brotha Rob)) Numerous evidence suggests that Muslims from Spain and West Africa arrived in the Americas at least five centuries before Co1umbus. It is recorded, for example that in the mid-tenth century during the rule of the Umayed Caliph Abdul-Rahman III (929-961), Muslims of African origin sailed westward from the Spanish port of Delba (Palos) into the “Ocean of darkness an fog.” They returned after a long absence with much booty from a “strange and curious land.” It is evident that people of Muslim origin are known to have accompanied Columbus and subsequent Spanish explorers to the New World.
and in support Of D's Blog of FACTS A renowned American historian and linguist Leo Weiner of Harvard University, in his book Africa and The Discovery of America (1920) wrote that Columbus was well aware of the Mandinka presence in the New World and that the West African Muslims had spread throughout the Caribbean, Central, South and North American territories, including Canada, where they were trading and intermarrying with the Iroquois and Algonquin Indians....
we might continue with: "On October 12, 1492, Columbus landed on a little island in the Bahamas that was called Guanahani by the natives. Renamed San Salvador by Columbus, Guanahani is derived from Mandinka and modified Arabic words. Guana (Ikhwaana) means ‘brothers’ and 'Hani' is an Arabic name that means 'Friendly'. Therefore the original name of the island was ‘Hani Brothers.’ or Friendly Brothers!
At the same time in this very same region, lived a tribe of Muslim natives known as AlMaamy. In Mandinka and Arabic languages AlMaamy was the designation of "Al-Imaam" or "Al-Imaamu," the person who leads the prayer, or in some cases, the chief of the community, and/or a member of the Imaami Muslim community.
Will we acknowledge the debt wherever it is found Robert? I could be wrong but I don't think anyone commented on Ptolemy's Geography. A search will return many references. Wikipedia of course can be more or less useful/accurate, but the entry there has this statement.
Islamic cartographers inherited Ptolemy's Almagest and Geographia in the 9th century which is said to have stimulated an interest in geography and map-making; however, they made almost no direct use of the latter in map-making.[7] Muslim scientists then made many of their own contributions to geography and the earth sciences.
SUBJECT --We Came Before Columbus: Who Really Discovered the Americas
---you are correct, robertPowell did not comment on Ptolemy's Geography!
--------Ptolemy's Geography-----thats' Greek to Me? --------did Claudius Ptolemy sail to America before Columbus? --------is this GREEK Genius-----of African or African American Descent? --------can the GREEKS give African American wwwebSites --- CREDIT--2013?
if your answer is ---YES----to any of the above questions
----i, robertPowell, will goOFF SUBJECT with you at a nonAfrican American Social Site ----lets say----- 'OK Greek Guys.org'
BACK to SUBJECT---OK without Islaamic Scientific Pursuit --------Greek scientificGenius may have been lost in History...... --------you think One good Earth Science from AlIslaam---was the Globe, Algebra and Zero?
During his second voyage, Columbus was told by the Indians of Espanola (Haiti), that Darker people had been to the island before his arrival. For proof they presented Columbus with the spears of these African Muslims. These weapons were tipped with a yellow metal that the Indians called Guanine, a word of West African Derivation meaning ‘gold alloy.’ Oddly enough, it is related to the Arabic world ‘Ghinaa’ which means ‘Wealth.’ Columbus brought some Guanines back to Spain and had them tested. He learned that the metal was 18 parts gold (56.25 percent), six parts silver (18.75 percent) and eight parts copper (25 percent), the same ratio as the metal produced in African metal shops of Guinea.
Claudius Ptolemy (pron.: /ˈtɒləmi/; Greek: Κλαύδιος Πτολεμαῖος, Klaudios Ptolemaios; Latin: Claudius Ptolemaeus; c. AD 90 – c. AD 168) was a Greco-Roman citizen of Egypt who wrote in Greek.[1] He was a mathematician, astronomer, geographer, astrologer, and poet of a single epigram in the Greek Anthology.[2][3] He lived in Egypt under Roman rule, but few reliable details of his life are known. His birthplace has been given as Ptolemais Hermiou in the Thebaid, in an uncorroborated statement by the 14th century astronomer, Theodore Meliteniotes.[4] This is very late, however, and there is no other reason to suppose that he ever lived anywhere else than Alexandria,[4] where he died around AD 168.[5]
A "citizen of Egypt" Robert, "there is no other reason to suppose that he ever lived anywhere else than Alexandria". Let's talk about the Muslim conquest of Egypt.
mrDavid Johnson if i may go OFF yourSUBJECT with your friend steve
steve, ok ----you got me
is that Alexandria or Alexander's City----- the Great paganGreek?
the one that colonized, and laidWASTE to everyLand he tortured and slaughtered?
ok now
--- I guess Claudius Ptolemy -- the greekCitizen during paganGreek Colonization of Misr ---AND Claudius Ptolemaeus --the greekRomanCitizen during paganRoman Colonization
is that the one? --- ok lets talk on that SUBJECT on yourBlog
DO YOU UNDERSTAND that dj JUST wants Credit for hisPeople......on hisSUBJECT here?
----he MIGHT believe that the euroCentric History given about Africa during the postColumbus--slaverAmericana1492-1864(1964)--ERA
----the paganChristian europeanColonists TOOK with their ignorantRacist ideology the African History, the African Story, the African Achievement Part OUT for their cartoonHistory---- 'blackWhite'MADE up times.......
so NO --- i am honoring djS dedication and SUBJECT and will not go OFF course with you HERE
again
-----the sign of DEBATE defeat, in my opinon, is taking the debate OFF course......
lets get back to the DISCOVERY of AMERICA before Columbus ---- and SEARCH for the ACCREDITATION that our SUBJECT Author has asked.......
In 1498, on his third voyage to the New World, Columbus landed in Trinidad. Later, he sighted the South American continent, where some of his crew went ashore and found natives using colourful handkerchiefs of symmetrically woven cotton. Columbus noticed that these handkerchiefs resembled the headdresses and loincloths of Guinea in their colours, style and function. He referred to them as Almayzars. AlMayzar is an Arabic word for ‘wrapper,’ ‘cover’ apron’ and or ‘skirting,’ which was the cloth the Moors (African Muslims) imported from Guinea into Morocco, Spain and Portugal.
If we are talking about Muslims, it's not going off course to talk about where Muslims got their geographic and other scientific knowledge. Are you saying it was from the Greeks and Romans?
At the commencement of the Muslim conquest of Egypt, Egypt was part of the Byzantine Empire with its capital at Constantinople. However, it had been conquered just a decade before by the Persian Empire under Khosrau II (616 to 629 AD). Emperor Heraclius re-captured Egypt after a series of campaigns against the Sassanid Persians, only to lose it to the Muslim Rashidun army ten years later. Before the Muslim invasion of Egypt had begun, the Byzantines had already lost the Levant and its Arab ally, the Ghassanid Kingdom, to the Muslims. All this left the Byzantine Empire dangerously exposed and vulnerable to the invaders.[1]
mr.David Johnson---- can littleStevey and i, go to one of YOUR antiIslaamic sites and debate his OFF subjectInterest above?
ON SUBJECT
There are 565 names of places (villages, towns, cities, mountains, lakes, river,) in USA (484) and Canada (81), which are derived from Islamic, and Arabic roots. Their places were originally named by the Natives, ----- in pre-Columbian period.
Some of these names carried holy meanings such as: Mecca (Indiana) – 720 inhabitants, Makkah Indian tribe (Washington), Medina (Idaho) – 2100, Medina (NY) – 8500, Medina and Hazen (North Dakota) – 1100 and 5000, respectively, Medina (Ohio) – 12,000, Medina (Tennessee) – 1100, Medina (Texas) – 26,000, Medina (Ontario) – 1200, Mahomet (Illinois) – 3200, Mona (Utah) – 1100, Arva (Ontario) – 700, and many others.
A careful study of the names of the native Indian tribes revealed that many names are derived from Arab and Islamic roots and origins, i.e. Anasazi, Apache, Arawak, Arikana, Chavin Cherokee, Cree, Hohokam, Hupa, Hopi, Makkah Mahigan, Mohawk, Nazca, Zulu, Zuni.
I am no more anti Islam than I am anti Judean or anti Christian or anti Hindu or anti Babylonian or anti Egyptian or anti Buddhist or anti Rain Dance. I don't approve of human sacrifice though.
Could we stick with latitude and longitude for a while? Since they are what proved the earth is spherical?
Saturday, April 6th 2013 at 12:52AM
Steve Williams
Al-Masudi's intellectual environment
Lunde and Stone provide a detailed reminder of the intellectual environment in which al-Mas'udi lived:
He lived at a time when books were readily available and relatively cheap. Aside from large public libraries in major towns like Baghdad, many individuals, like Mas'udi's friend al-Suli, had private libraries, often containing thousands of volumes. The prevalence of books and their low price was the result of the introduction of paper to the Islamic world by Chinese papermakers captured at the Battle of Talas in 751. Very soon afterwards there were paper mills in most large towns and cities. The introduction of paper coincided with the coming to power of the Abbasid dynasty, and there is no doubt that the availability of cheap writing material contributed to the growth of the Abbasid bureaucracy, postal system and lively intellectual life.[6]
They note that Mas'udi often encourages his readers to consult other books he has written, expecting these to be accessible to his readership. They also note the stark contrast between contemporary European conditions confronting say the author of the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle and this highly literate Islamic world.
Ahmad Shboul mentions the rich blend of Greek philosophy, Persian literature, Indian mathematics and the rich heritage of the ancient cultures that went into the vigorous life of the day.[7] This enabled the society of the day to manifest a knowledge seeking, perceptive and analytical attitude. There was a natural association of scholarly minded people in this highly civilized atmosphere, and al-Mas'udi very much took part in this energizing activity.
Al-Mas'udi was a pupil or junior colleague of a number of prominent intellectuals, including the philologists al-Zajjaj, ibn Duraid, Niftawayh and ibn Anbari. He was acquainted with famous poets, including Kashajim, whom he probably met in Aleppo. He was well read in philosophy, knowing the works of al-Kindi and al-Razi, the Aristotelian thought of al-Farabi and the Platonic writings. Al-Mas'udi's extant writings do not confirm his meeting with his contemporaries al-Razi and al-Farabi, however such meetings were highly likely. He does record his meeting with al-Farabi's pupil Yahya ibn Adi, of whom he spoke highly.
In addition he was familiar with the medical work of Galen, with Ptolemaic astronomy, with the geographical work of Marinus and with the studies of Islamic geographers and astronomers.
He indicates training in jurisprudence. He met a number of influential jurists and was aware of the work of others. Subki states that al-Mas'udi was a student of ibn Surayj, the leading scholar of the Shafi'ite school. Al-Subki claimed he found al-Mas'udi's notes of ibn Surayj's lectures. Al-Mas'udi also met Shafi'ites during his stay in Egypt. He met Zahirites in Baghdad and Aleppo such as Ibn Jabir and Niftawayh; modern scholarship leans toward the view that Al-Masudi was an adherent of the latter school.[8]
Al-Mas'udi knew leading Mu'tazilites, including al-Jubba, al-Nawbakhti, ibn Abdak al-Jurjani and Abu'l Qasim al-Balkhi al-Ka'bi. He was also well acquainted with previous Mu'tazilite literature. His reasoning, his phraseology, his expressed high esteem for Mu'tazilities lead many to assert he was one. However, Shboul points out that his extant works do not specifically state that he was.
Al-Mas'udi included the history of the ancient civilizations that had occupied the land upon which Islam later spread. He mentioned the Assyrians, Babylonians, Egyptians and Persians among others. He is also the only Arab historian to refer (albeit indirectly) to the kingdom of Urartu, when he speaks about the wars between the Assyrians (led by the legendary Queen Semiramis) and Armenians (led by Ara the Beautiful).[9]
Persia was a vast empire with a history ancient before the arrival of Islam. Al-Mus'udi was aware of the influence of ancient Babylon on Persia. He had access to the wealth of translations by scholars such as ibn al-Muqaffa from Middle Persian into Arabic. In his travels he also personally consulted Persian scholars and Zoroastrian priests. He thus had access to much material, factual and mythical. Like all other Arabic historians he was unclear on the Achaemenid dynasty, though he knew of Kurush (Cyrus the Great). He was much clearer on the more recent dynasties and his estimation of the time between Alexander the Great and Ardashir is much more accurately depicted than he is in al-Tabari.
His wide ranging interest included the Greeks and the Romans. Again, like all other Arabic historians, he was unclear on Greece before the Macedonian dynasty that produced Alexander the Great. He is aware that there were kings before this, but is unclear on their names and reigns. He also seems unfamiliar with such additional aspects of Greek political life as Athenian democratic institutions. The same situation holds for Rome prior to Caesar. He is, though, the earliest extant Arabic author to mention the Roman founding myth of Romulus and Remus.
In al-Mas'udi's view the greatest contribution of the Greeks was philosophy. He was aware of the progression of Greek philosophy from the pre-Socratics onward.
He also was keenly interested in the earlier events of the Arabian peninsula. He knew this had a long history. He was well-aware of the mixture of interesting facts in pre-Islamic times, in myths and controversial details from competing tribes and even referred to the similarity between some of this material and the legendary and story telling contributions of some Middle Persian and Indian books to the Thousand and One Nights.[citation needed]
Irma, I added that when I thought of the Aztecs. But as you say, it doesn't apply just to them. I was just heading over to Curtis's blog.
Saturday, April 6th 2013 at 1:33AM
Steve Williams
Robert keeps giving me more and more titles, I wonder what's next.
Saturday, April 6th 2013 at 1:35AM
Steve Williams
OFF SUBJECT steve,
you just CANNOT respect --- its NOT in your DNA
SUBJECT of Blog:
The famous Muslim geographer and cartographer AsSharif AlIdrisi (1099 – 1166) wrote in his famous book ‘Nuzhat al-Mushtaq fi-Ikhtiraq AlAfaq (Excursion of Crossing the Horizon) that a group of seafarers sailed into the sea of darkness and fog (the Atlantic ocean) from Lisbon (Portugal), in order to discover what was in it and what were its limits. They finally reached an island that had people and cultivation...on the fourth day, a translator spoke to them in the Arabic language.
The Muslim reference books mentioned a well-documented description of a journey across the sea of fog and darkness by Shaikh ZaynEddine Ali benFadhel AlMazandarani. His journey started from Tarfay (south Morocco) during the reign of the King AbuYacoub Sidi Youssef (1286 – 1307) sixth of the Marinid dynasty, to Green island in the Caribbean Sea in 1291 (690 AH). The details of his ocean journey are mentioned in Islaamic references, and many Muslim scholars are aware of this recorded historical event.
The Muslim historian Chihab Eddine AbdulAbbas Ahmad benFadhl AlUmari (1300 – 1384, 700–786 AH) described in detail the geographical explorations beyond the sea of fog and darkness of Mali’s Sultans in his famous book ‘Massalik AlAbsaar fi Mamaalik AlAmsaar (The Pathways of Sights in The provinces of Kingdoms).
Sultan Mansa Kankan Musa (1312–1337) was the world-renowned Mandinka monarch of the West African Islamic Empire of Mali. While travelling to Makkah on his famous Hajj in 1324, he informed the scholars of the Mamluk Bahri Sultan court (AnNasirEddin Muhammad III, 1309–1340) in Cairo that his brother, Sultan Abu Bakari I (1284 –1312) had undertaken two expeditions into the Atlantic ocean. When the sultan did not return to Timbuktu from the second voyage of 1311, Mansa Musa became sultan of the empire. _______________________________________________________
OFF SUBJECT steve,
you just CANNOT respect --- its NOT in your DNA
you might mistake my second wife as non-black, since she is half-white. Tuesday, March 29th 2011 at 9:33AM Steve Williams
i ASSIGN no adjective without WORTHINESS
as for the sweetIrma writer of NO comprehension----- ---i, robertPowell, since 1964----consider calypsoLouis, farakhanMadoff a selfProfessed responsible party to the murder of AlHajj AbdulMalik AsShabazz and a thief from the Family of Elijah Muhammad....... --i, robertPowell have LED calypsoLouis, farakhanMadoff in Prayer -- never have followed his antiIslaamic and Lawless arse.........
I've never disputed that Muslims travelled to America before Columbus. But America WAS inhabited before their arrival. Who were the people that were already there? Where did they come from and how did they get there? Humankind spread around the globe many thousands of years before either the Muslims or Columbus. And I personally think that transoceanic travel was one of the ways this occurred. In fact, it is hard for me to imagine that it could have occurred without it.
but the SUBJECT Author PLEADS and you know he has PLEADED in MANY of his posts for CREDIT -----from Africa---by Africans -----he and African Americans have BENT over BACKWARD with giving credit to euroColumbusES ----hell --- the slaves took the masters WAYS -- his names ----they LIVED the life of DISCREDIT of DISRESPECT ----REJECT your divisiveOFF subject DNA for 2016 HITS----OK?
-------euroColumbus "DISCOVERED" the Human Natives and their Land ----- and EXPLOITED, Murdered and Tortured them along with the Africans.......That CREDIT is KNOWN
What the African Muslim Exploration, Trade and Cultural Exchange of 9th to 15th Century---------not DISCOVERY and DISRESPECT
-----shows the African American Family at BIA that the Exploration, Trade and Cultural Exchange of OUR fathers', Fathers', FATHERS'----grandfathers', GrandFathers' GRANDFATHERS' and for sweetIrma; GRANDMOTHERS' ---------with Our Native Brothers ---- well Before Columbus.....was Based on civilized, Faithful men/women of the GREAT Islaamic Empire of West Africa.....
Smile, Smile Man...............and enjoy those rays of Sunshine..............
Americans sweetIrma get 'lost' in tv, videoGames, rapping bsBeingTold
--- but those that READ, become educated, educated, AND if the Creator of Adaam(as) pleases -- CHANGE
--- that CREDIT in America then can AID Our President Baraaka Hussein Obama......
Arabic and Islaamic Inscriptions---------------
Anthropologists have proven that the Mandinkas under Mansa Musa’s instructions explored many parts of North America via the Mississippi and other rivers systems. At Four Corners, Arizona, writings show that they even brought elephants from Africa to the area.
When Columbus sailed from Palos (Delba), Spain. He was bound for Gomera (Canary Islands) –Gomera is an Arabic word meaning ‘small firebrand’ – there he fell in love with Beatriz Bobadill, daughter of the Ruling Bobadilla clan of the island (Bobadilla is derived from the Arab Islamic name Abouabdilla). Another Bobadilla (Francisco), later as the royal commissioner, put Columbus in chains and transferred him from Santo Domingo back to Spain (November 1500). The Bobadilla family was related to Abbadidi dynasty of Seville (1031–1091).
Columbus admitted in his papers that on Monday, October 21, 1492 while his ship was sailing near Gibara on the northeast coast of Cuba, he saw a mosque on the top of a beautiful mountain.
The ruins of mosques and minarets with inscriptions of Qur’aanic verses have been discovered in Cuba, Mexico, Texas and Nevada.
ITS always OK to use History, Scholarship and SCIENCE
we already got the kingJames, euroVERSION
now we need nonRACIST, TruthFul History, Scholarship and Science to FULLFILL the SUBJECT authors DEMAND for CREDIT>...........................
Based on the above historical, geographical and linguistic evidence, a call to celebrate the millennium of the Muslim arrival to the Americas (996-1996), five centuries before Columbus, has been issued to ALL nations and communities around the world. We hope that this call will receive complete understanding and attract support.
A Muslim historian and geographer ABUL-HASSAN ALI IBN AL-HUSSAIN AL-MASUDI (871-957 CE) wrote in his book Muruj adh-dhahab wa maadin aljawhar (The meadows of gold and quarries of jewels) that during the rule of the Muslim caliph of Spain Abdullah Ibn Mohammad(888-912 CE), a Muslim navigator, Khashkhash Ibn Saeed Ibn Aswad, from Cortoba, Spain sailed from Delba (Palos) in 889 CE, crossed the Atlantic, reached an unknown territory (ard majhoola) and returned with fabulous treasures. In Al-Masudi's map of the world there is a large area in the ocean of darkness and fog which he referred to as the unknown territory (Americas).
AL-MASUDI Muruj Adh-Dhahab (Arabic), Vol. 1, P. 138
Robert, I don't see the Americas on his map, do you?
I need some help finding this reference in his book. Wikipedia has links to an Arabic version with French translation, and I can work with the French, but you are undoubtedly more proficient with Arabic than I am with French. Could you help me find the reference?
you the master Computer GUY, hacker and content CHANGER
YOU TRANSLATE IT.................i do NOT work for YOU...............
i do not even Care for hackingPC TRASH..................
the blog is complete for me, an African American
--- i give CREDIT to beforeColumbus, before the Degradation and Paganism of slaverAmericana-----
Based on the above historical, geographical and linguistic evidence, a call to celebrate the millennium of the Muslim arrival to the Americas (996-1996), five centuries before Columbus, has been issued to ALL nations and communities around the world. We hope that this call will receive complete understanding and attract support.
Okay Robert, I'l translate it. But it will have to be from the 19th century French. And there is another enlightening section as well, and a theory I have about the map.
Thursday, April 11th 2013 at 4:10PM
Steve Williams
I can still read French well enough to get the get the general meaning, but a written translation will take some time. So let me summarize and offer my theory.
In one part of his book al-Mas'udi names 6 seas: the Red Sea, the Mediterranean Sea, the Black Sea, the Sea of Azov, the Caspian Sea and the Ocean, which is called the Green Sea or the Obscure Sea or the Encircling Sea. He says the extent of the Green Sea is unknown, and you will see this on his map.
The map shows the entire continent of Africa, but in two parts. What separates the two parts is the equatorial region. The coastline of Africa was most likely explored by ship, and the mangrove swamps on both coasts would have prevented shore expeditions at those points.
In the section I asked you to translate Robert, he says that he has previously recounted in another work, that men had sailed from the Canary Islands into the Green Sea, some returning, some not. He then tells how Khachkhach had likewise sailed into the Green Sea, presumedly also from the Canary Islands, and returned with full loads of booty.
Khachkhach had to go no further than the Gulf of Guinea for booty.
Actually I'm done translating for now. You can check out the Arabic if you doubt the accuracy of my summary, exclusive of my two theories of course. My theories are just that, based on the map, and whether it would have been easier to go to the Gulf of Guinea and back, or to America and back. The other section of the book I summarized starts at the bottom of page 271.
"-----there are pyramids LARGER, OLDER and MORE numerous in China, Bosnia and Indonesia than those in MiddleAmerica........"
Not Larger.
The temple-pyramid complex was built in four stages, starting from the 3rd century BCE through the 9th century CE, and was dedicated to the deity Quetzalcoatl. It has a base of 450 by 450 metres (1,480 by 1,480 ft) and a height of 66 m (217 ft). According to the Guinness Book of Records, it is in fact the largest pyramid as well as the largest monument ever constructed anywhere in the world, with a total volume estimated at over 4.45 million cubic meters, even larger than that of the Great Pyramid of Giza in Egypt, which is about 2.5 million cubic meters. However the Great Pyramid of Giza is higher at 138.8 metres (455 ft).[8] The ceramics of Cholula were closely linked to those of Teotihuacan, and both sites appeared to decline simultaneously.[9] The Postclassic Aztecs believed that Xelhua built the Great Pyramid of Cholula.
And Robert, note that al-Mas'udi speaks of men who had penetrated the Green Sea. He does not say Muslims.
Thursday, April 11th 2013 at 8:39PM
Steve Williams
OFF SUBJECT steve....adam....and nemRod
thank you for doing what your DNA dictates-----Diversion........
bottom line -------the AUTHOR, dJ, has gotten his CREDIT for africans and Africa------
and YES
--- you the offSubject guy that brought up, one of the Historical Giants of Our Past ----Abu AlHasan Ali ibn AlHusayn ibn Ali AlMas'udi
you even state that his History was written for the Khaleefs of Baghdad ---- and the men HE speaks of are THE African Muslim Explorers that opened Trade, Commerce, Culture and Mutual Respect of Civilizations before Columbus, Italians and Spanish were Cultured by the African Muslims 750-1490
thank you for your help-----The Author and i owe you for your scholarship.......
Well I'm glad I got the translation right. His book is quite interesting,
Saturday, April 13th 2013 at 1:09PM
Steve Williams
again, thank you for your help-----The Author and i owe you for your scholarship.......
more interesting is the Lost Records and books of the African Empires of Ghana, Songhay, Mali and Cameroon of the Journeys of Africans accross the Desert to Asia and the Sea of Fog to America................. -------of course the FRENCH unCilivilized colonists did not do a 'rosettaStone' thing -------madeUP mess ----they just destroyed these Records and had to go back to Timbaqtoo to make sure they were destroyed this year......
So the Arabic says fog? I wasn't sure how to take the French, I've only got a pocket dictionary and as I said the translation is 19th century.
Saturday, April 13th 2013 at 1:36PM
Steve Williams
HAS anyone read ,,,,
Pathe Diagne is a Political Scientist, linguist, historian of civilizations, and Professor for Cornell University, Diagne ensures he has proof through maps and documents that a West African mariner prince led an expedition of 2,000 boats to the New World and settled there. In 1992 the excitement around the 500th anniversary of Columbus' first trip, Diagne determined to write a book "Africa Challenge of History: Afrocentrism, Eurocentrism, Semitocentrisme,"about this Pre-Columbian African navigator, Mansa Bakari II.
Some of Diagne's proof is derived from archaeological findings in the 1950's. According to "Repeating Islands: News and commentary on Caribbean literature and the arts," original findings on the land of La Isabella, founded in 1494 and currently known as the Dominican Republic, revealed approximately 1,200 skeletons apparently members of Columbus' crew during his second deployment to the New World. Through innovative DNA testing a confirmation that these skeletons were the remains of free Africans was founded and further, that free Africans where the navigators and assistants in directing Columbus to the New World:
The most recent study of the La Isabela skeletons grew out of a 2000 project in a mid-16th-century church cemetery in Campeche, in the Yucatán peninsula (Mexico), which revealed with near certainty “that a number of people found in the Campeche cemetery were Africans.” T. Douglas Price, director of the Laboratory for Archaeological Chemistry at the University of Wisconsin at Madison, who did the isotropic analysis of the Campeche remains, has also been working with the Dominican bones.
Further, dental DNA testing from even earlier findings, show that Africans had settled in the new land prior to Columbus' adventures, not to mention the Pilgrims. Further testing revealed a distinct difference between enslaved Africans and these Pre-Columbian Africans.
In the book, "They came before Columbus," Ivan Van Sertima" tells his story of visiting a site on La Isabella in 1976 that had been excavated by the Smithsonian just a year before. At that time, he was greeted by secrecy and/or silence in regards to the Smithsonian's find of two African male skeletons dating back to 1250 A.D.
From Eden to Africa, from Africa to Europe, then from Europe to slave ships heading for America, it is clear that Africans have always pioneered and led the growth of Europeans.
http://books.google.com/books?id=jS_e5M1jZ... Who+Really+Discovered+the+Americas&source=bl&ots=Ye_UBFCK-N&sig=w3-Fuq0_YBJdQZiORhv9744Twjc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=cZxpUbOVKce7iwLawIDQDg&ved= 0CGUQ6AEwBjge#v=onepage&q=%22We%20Came%20Before%20Columbus%3A%20Who%20Really%20Discovered%20the%20Americas&f=false
Saturday, April 13th 2013 at 2:40PM
DAVID JOHNSON
How many times can a continent or two be discovered? It is new for each party each time, but at some point doesn’t the term “discovery” get just a little stretched? Columbus was certainly not the first person to step foot in America, we know that. Here are some alternative historical theories of discovery, long before the explorer looking for India made the erronous landing and called it discovery.
Here we reveal 10 of the most popular theories, some of which are and some not accepted by historians, along with the essential elements of each theory. http://listsoplenty.com/blog/?p=14358 Saturday, April 13th 2013 at 2:42PM
DAVID JOHNSON
That reminds me David, I was going to see what I could find about ancient boat design and capabilities. It seems like getting from Africa to America would be easier than getting back. If Africans used the south equatorial current to get to America, it might have been a one way trip. Somewhere around here I've got a very good book from my sailing days on the currents of the world's oceans. I haven't been able to find as good information on the web though.
Saturday, April 13th 2013 at 3:14PM
Steve Williams
This website has been launched by the governments of Oman and Singapore to cover the construction and voyage of a 9th-century Arab sailing ship.
A team of experts built the Jewel of Muscat in a specially constructed shipyard on the beach in Oman. They used a range of historical sources, including archaeological findings from the 'Belitung was discovered in 1998 in Indonesia waters.
The ship has been constructed with the methods available to 9th-century Arab craftsmen. The planks have been sewn together using coconut fibre, and the square sails will be made of plaited palm leaves.
Once constructed, the ship set sail on an historic journey from Oman to Singapore.
The website includes the following sections:
Videos of the Jewel of Muscat’s construction and voyage. Map of the Jewel of Muscat’s route. Timeline showing the stages of the project. 3D sequence, allowing users to study the different sections of the ship. Photo gallery. Log section, where members of the project team post updates. Background section, providing information on the project. Archive section, with information about the ship’s construction. Education section, with learning resources for students and teachers. A zone where you can Ask a Question and Contact Us.
The graphic background of the website reflects the material that was used for the ship’s sails
The website has been designed and developed by the media company Inclusive Digital TV (www.inclusivedigital.tv).
---The Author and i owe you for your scholarship.......
You seem to have called for me -OUT-- on sweetIrmas blag????
i pray your ---seemingly offSUBJECT scholarship of Voyages from the Great Expanse of the Islaamic World -- Arabia to Asia of THIS BLOG, ----was in search of OUR Subject Authors' 10 other Theories of African Islaamic Trade and Mutual Respect with the Americans before Columbus.....?
i apologize dear Author for what MAY be an offSubject steve -- continuance
BUT
on a Deleted blag of a former blagKing .......i mentioned that by 650 the Islaamic Expansion had reached China and the GREAT seafarers of the Song Dynasty may have had an opportunity in their Yearly Pilgramages to Makkah to meet other Hajjs from the Songai -- westAfrican Islaamic Empires ......and share --- NOT only the Beauty of Hajj, AlQur'aan and the Sunnah of Mohamed(saw)
BUT
.....also technology, science, maps and other Seafarers Notes.....
Zheng He, was born into a Muslim family as Ma He, ---- born in 1371 to a Hui Muslim family in Southwest China. Ma He's-- grandfather and father once made an overland pilgrimage to Makkah. He grew up speaking Arabic and Chinese, leaming much about the world to the west and its geography and customs.
-----From 1405 to 1433, Ma He led his fleet to voyage to the Western Sea for seven times. -----In the fall of 1413, Ma He set out with 30,000 men AND 300+ Ships----to Arabia on his fourth and most ambitious voyage. ---- Ma He's flag ship was an astonishing -400 feet-------300+ FEET longer than Columbus santaMaria
i have not researched the Mu-Lan-Pi(americaIdea)----and am not versed in southWest Chinese but maybe steve will have a go.......at this on another Blog Subject......
I may have called you out Robert, depends how you define "call out".
But to the subject. It's always interesting to know how these trade or migratory routes were sailed, the type of craft and navigation science used. I'll be looking at the Jewel of Muscat for a while but then I'll see what I can trace back to about 2000 years before 9th century Arabia. I saw something about Persians too, but first comes the Gulf of Guinea.
And how could I forget your references Robert? My finding the Jewel of Muscat was the result of reading al-Mas'udi and looking at his map.
Also currents and winds. I need to find that world ocean book.
Saturday, April 13th 2013 at 9:06PM
Steve Williams
This is the book I'm talking about.
World Cruising Routes: Sixth Edition [Hardcover]
World Cruising Routes covers more than 1,000 sailing routes through the world’s oceans with descriptions of winds, currents and weather, chart recommendations, GPS waypoints, entry ports, navigational hazards, and more. This book is updated with information gathered from the author’s website, noonsite.com, as well as from his recent circumnavigation.
The last section of the Kindle sample is a short section on Winds and Currents of the World, in which he gives a historical overview. Also see in his Forward about the changes in weather patterns/predictability he has seen in recent years.
Saturday, April 13th 2013 at 10:13PM
Steve Williams
One example he gives is:
Tropical Storm Delta was a late-forming tropical storm of the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season which struck the Canary Islands as a strong extratropical storm, causing significant damage and then crossed over Morocco before dissipating. It was the twenty-sixth tropical or subtropical storm of the season, making the 2005 season the first to record so many storms.
...
Tropical Storm Delta's arrival in the Canary Islands was described as a "historic" event.
So one could get to the Caribbean from Northwest Africa using the North Equatorial Current/Trades or from the Gulf of Guinea using the South Equatorial Current/Trades.
Map 7: Major coastal regions from which captives left Africa, all years
...Regions closer to the Americas and Europe generated a relatively small share of the total carried across the Atlantic. Voyage length was determined as much by wind and ocean currents shown in Map 4 as by relative proximity of ports of embarkation and disembarkation.
offTHIS authorSUBJECT and offMySUBJECT of authorSubject steve?
reading and comprehension are an Evolutionary Logic
400 foot OCEAN GOING vessel in 1400....... ----why would chinese know you need a large vessel on a long trip on the oceans?
300 of these ships ----where they THAT confident of their safety against Pacific, Indian and Atlantic Oceans?
30000---3 0 0 0 0 MEN ----How where they so confident and why 30000 MEN to anywhere--? ----Did they know there were a lot of ports on All Continents?
Facts--- hairLike einstein: -----Hajj has been made EVERY year since 9 H or 630T -----Hajj was OBLIGATORY on Believers with Means anywhere they lived -----Since 25 H there were Believers in China, India, Singapore, Indonesia, Phillippines.... -----and Believers were in Russia, Balkans and Spain in 35 H -----And Since The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is a part of the African landMass --- and sons of Hajar were the firstCallers to Hajj with Mohamed(saw)--- ___________________________
i, robertPowell, am going to leave the wind, currents, storms of the 1400 YEARS AGO, and slaveVoyages?--- to littleStevey Wonder----and his assessments!
-----i am going to make an Assessment based on History, Scholarship, Science, LOGIC, and most Importantly an Assessment --- DEVOID of euroDNA OKism.....and full of CREDIT to Africa and the Africans for Our Author ---mr.David Johnson _________________ ---- Muslims were trading, traveling, praying, eating and SHARING--- throughout the WORLD, ----------AROUND the GLOBE --- 300 YEARS before Marco Polo got spaghetti from China.......
when i studied Anthropology/Archaelogy over 50 years ago --- at that young age I thought it to be a Kufi on a Muslim from Senegal or Nigeria.............
and over the past 50 years i have seen many Senegali, Ghanan, Nigerian, Cameroon, NorthWest Atlantic Coast of Africa, The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, AND North and South American Muslims ....with kufi and full faces with large noses...many of my friends.......
Thanks Robert.
Sunday, April 14th 2013 at 10:08PM
Steve Williams
In West Africa, a kufi cap is the traditional hat for men, and is part of the national costume of most of the countries in the region. It is worn by Christians, Muslims, and African Jews. Many grandfathers and other older men wear a kufi every day to symbolize their status as wise elders, religious people, or family patriarchs. [1]
yes, it is worn in 2013 by christian, Muslim, and jews? -----In Africa, Asia, Europe, Oceania and American Men and women
BUT back to SUBJECT----steve
before Columbus --- it was Worn by Many Muslim Men in Spain, Africa and now we obviously see that it was worn in AMERICA............ ---and since Columbus found them in America, the Muslims of Africa probably were the ones that brought the roundFace, wideNose and KUFI style to America before columbus
The voyage of Hanno is ascribed to various dates; current thinking is that it was in the fifth century BC.[7]
Modern analysis of the route
A number of modern scholars have commented upon Hanno's voyage. In many cases, the analysis has been to refine information and interpretation of the original account. William Smith points out that the complement of personnel totalled 30,000, and that the core mission included the intent to found Carthaginian (or in the older parlance Libyophoenician) towns. [8]
Harden states there is general consensus that the expedition reached at least as far as Senegal.[9] There seems to be some agreement that he could have reached Gambia. However, Harden mentions lack of agreement as to precisely where to locate the farthest limit of Hanno's explorations: Sierra Leone, Cameroon, Gabon. He notes the description of Mount Cameroon, a 4,040-metre (13,250 ft) volcano, more closely matches Hanno's description than Guinea's 890-metre (2,920 ft) Mount Kakulima. Warmington prefers Mount Kakulima, considering Mount Cameroon too distant.[10]
An interesting facet of ancient Egypt is that we are amazed by what we see left form history, such as the pyramids and great temples, but many scholars scoff at some legendary exploits. One such tale, told to us in a tantalizingly brief story by the Greek historian Herodotus, is of a sea voyage that took place during the 26th Dynasty reign of Necho II. He relates the circumnavigation of Africa some 2000 years before the Portuguese mariners of Vasco da Gama.
We are not really given a reason for this expedition, though it would seem that such voyages were made for economic gain. Considering the control of the northern shores of the Mediterranean by the Greeks and of the southern coasts by the Phoenicians, the only region where Egypt, with its inferior fleet, might acquire some influence and wealth would have been eastern Africa, where they had already established some trade. However, it has also been suggested that the voyage might have served a military purpose.
According to Herodotus, Necho II ordered a Phoenician-crewed fleet to leave Egypt from the east by way of the Gulf of Suez and to return via the Straits of Gibraltar at the Mediterranean's western mouth. Hence, he expected this expedition to navigate around Africa counterclockwise. This would be a long journey, in which the crew would help support themselves by establishing temporary settlements on land where they would cultivate crops during the voyage.
According to the story, after two full years the fleet eventually rounded the Pillars of Hercules (the Straits of Gilbraltar), and returned to Egypt during the course of the third year.
Herodotus finishes the story with a surprising conclusion:
"the Phoenicians made a statement which I myself do not believe (though others may if they wish) to the effect that they sailed west around the southern end of Africa, they had the sun on their right".
This is exactly what they would have seen going west around the Cape of Good Hope at the southern tip of Africa, because the sun appears to the right when traveling westward in the southern hemisphere, but how could Herodotus have known this at such an early date if the journey did not take place.
Outside of Herodotus' account, there is little or no evidence of such a voyage. However, most of his story appears to at least be plausible, and it should be noted that this voyage took place not so very distant from Herodotus' own time. His Histories were written in about 440 BC, while Necho II came to the Egyptian throne in about 610 BC.
The Egyptians would have known, for some time, a certain length of Africa's east coast, for they had from earlier times been making visits to the land of Punt. Though Punt's exact location remains unknown, it was almost certainly on Africa's east coast somewhat south of Egypt. The Phoenicians had been in contact with the Atlantic since the trading port of Gadir (modern Cadiz) was founded in about 800 BC. They also possessed ships that were capable of sailing through the Straits of Gibraltar and along the North African coast, so technically a trip around Africa would have been possible. In fact, the winds and currents favor an east-west circumnavigation of Africa, and navigation would have been no problem if they kept the coast in sight. Furthermore, the Egyptians had for many years undertook sea voyages to Byblos, on the Levantine coast, and to Punt by way of the Red Sea. Though the circumnavigation of Africa under Vasco da Gama, who sailed from Lisbon in Portugal to Calicut in India, took only ten months between 1497 and 1498, the two and a half year journey of the Phoenician ships also seems reasonable, especially considering their layover to replenish their supplies.
The tale is also consistent with the foreign policy of Necho II, who sought to benefit Egypt economically by improving access to sea routes. He is credited with probably starting the construction (or restoration) of a canal some 85 kilometers long and wide enough for sea going ships, connecting the Nile Valley with the Red Sea. This canal, foreshadowing the modern Suez canal, later became an internationally important trade route.
However, while many readers of Herodotus have taken this story for granted, it does not in fact prove that Necho II's fleet did circumnavigate Africa. It must be remembered that Herodotus' Histories is an elaborate piece of rhetorical writing, and is not an objective history, but rather a highly literary, as well as partisan, analysis of the cultural clash between the Greek and Persian cultures. He was a Greek who was convinced of Greek superiority, and his favorite technique of devaluing Persian achievements was to emphasize what other non-Greeks (especially Egyptians) could achieve.
He also loved recounting stories of Egyptian kings solving difficult problems, showing the depth of Egyptian wisdom, which of course the Persians could not match.
Hence, because we have no direct evidence of this journey around Africa from contemporary Egyptian sources, it is likely that it never took place. In fact, Egyptologist Alan Lloyd believes the adventure extremely unlikely, stating that:
"If an Egyptian king, at any period, organized and dispatched an expedition, he did so for specific practical ends to meet specific practical needs. Disinterested inquiry or plain curiosity were always amongst the least evident of Egyptian habits of mind. What possible end could an Egyptian king have thought an enterprise of this sort might have served? To anyone familiar with Pharaonic ways of doing things the reply immediately prompted is an emphatic 'None at all!'. Given the context of Egyptian thought, economic life, and military interests, it is impossible for one to imagine what stimulus could have motivated Necho in such a scheme and if we cannot provide a reason which is sound within Egyptian terms of reference, then we have good reason to doubt the historicity of the entire episode."
Nevertheless, this story is a favorite of those who would connect the culture, and specifically the pyramids of Mexico with that of the Egyptians. They argue that ships could have been separated from Necho's fleet, blown westward across the Atlantic's narrowest part, ending up on the Brazilian cost. From there, it would have been possible for them to sail north to the Mexican Gulf, where they might have landed and established a colony, spreading Egyptian culture throughout Central and South America. However, this possibility is itself once removed from a tale that must be questioned.
The journey was long... The challenges were great... But the rewards proved inspiring & unforgettable. Our adventure started here
Over two and a half thousand years ago one of the greatest journeys in mankind's history began on the Egyptian shores of the Red Sea. Greek Historian Herodotus tells us how, in 600 BC, Phoenician mariners achieved the first circumnavigation of Africa, a voyage into unknown waters previously considered too dangerous to attempt.
In 2008-2010 a reconstruction of a Phoenician / Mediterranean trading vessel, built at the ancient Phoenician port of Arwad, embarked upon a journey to re-trace the Phoenicians' route around Africa. Re-creating this historical voyage was the major objective of the Phoenician Ship Expedition and was completed by Captain Philip Beale and his crew in October 2010 after 2 years and 20,000 miles at sea.
Published on Jun 3, 2012 The african presence in Ancient Palestine/Canaan black phoenicians,Judeans,Canaanites The Phoenicians belonged to the African Y-DNA E-M78/subclade E-V22..
In fact it is generally recognized to-day that no scientific definition of race is possible. Differences, and striking differences, there are between men and groups of men, but they fade into each other so insensibly that we can only indicate the main divisions of men in broad outlines. As Von Luschan says, "The question of the number of human races has quite lost its raison d’ętre and has become a subject rather of philosophic speculation than of scientific research. It is of no more importance now to know how many human races there are than to know how many angels can dance on the point of a needle. Our aim now is to find out how ancient and primitive races developed from others and how races changed or evolved through migration and inter-breeding."
thank you dear researcher steve...........OFF SUBJECT.....BUT ok----
hanno, hecho, Yusuf(as), Musa(as), Ismaeel(as) to Mansa Musa --- ALL AFRICAN
thank you for giving the Author, davidJohnson, even more CREDIT of African, and MORE specifically Islaamic African Interaction with America a THOUSAND years before Columbus
You know I love to do research Robert. I have a friend in Togo I'm corresponding with, someone I met on Black History before I came to BIA. If I'm lucky I may be able to travel to Africa one day and see for myself.
Tuesday, April 30th 2013 at 3:13PM
Steve Williams
oh yeah... too hot over darr for me....
If it's not a cold climate... I don't like it... Heck it 80° outside in North Sunny Florida... and Im so not liking this... and to think summer isn't here...
It's warming up quickly in this neck of the woods too. I think 89 day before yesterday.
Tuesday, April 30th 2013 at 3:52PM
Steve Williams
Steve,
What you are telling me is that Moses had no sense of knowing the different between the Children of Israel and the Egyptian people am I right. So, you believe that Moses was stupid as you are.
You are telling me that Mohammed couldn’t see the differences between the Hebrew people and his own Arabian people is that right. So, Mohammed had an IQ of 68.
You are trying to tell me that if I took twenty kids and separated them from their mothers and shuffle them around like you shuffle a deck of cards the mothers wouldn’t know the differences of the children and therefore some mothers would be satisfied going home with another mother’s child is that what you are telling me. You think these mothers are as stupid as Cynthia is right.
You are extremely stupid for a White man. I can’t count how many times I’ve had to say it.
Don’t kid your self Steve I know my Black American people like Moses and Mohammed knew their people.
You are the one unable to see the differences and since you can’t see the differences you think that every one else don’t see the differences either am I right.
Steve even with my 68 IQ you are still no match for me.
rhut rho!!! Steve Challenge??? (Harry says Steve even with my 68 IQ you are still no match for me...... You are extremely stupid for a White man. I can’t count how many times I’ve had to say it. ))
Enrique ˇˇsigues siendo un idiota!!
You think these mothers are as stupid as Cynthia is right.
no worries this will be edited !
Tuesday, April 30th 2013 at 5:55PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Harry, with that said I suggest we stick to the subject, the Africans who came before Columbus. If you want to talk about Moses it will have to be elsewhere.
Tuesday, April 30th 2013 at 7:22PM
Steve Williams
5 And the daughter of Pharaoh came down to wash herself at the river; and her maidens walked along by the river's side; and when she saw the ark among the flags, she sent her maid to fetch it.
6 And when she had opened it, she saw the child: and, behold, the babe wept. And she had compassion on him, and said, This is one of the Hebrews' children.
7 Then said his sister to Pharaoh's daughter, Shall I go and call to thee a nurse of the Hebrew women, that she may nurse the child for thee?
8 And Pharaoh's daughter said to her, Go. And the maid went and called the child's mother.
9 And Pharaoh's daughter said unto her, Take this child away, and nurse it for me, and I will give thee thy wages. And the women took the child, and nursed it.
10 And the child grew, and she brought him unto Pharaoh's daughter, and he became her son. And she called his name Moses: and she said, Because I drew him out of the water.
The only reason I deal with you is because many members follows my blogs and how I handle my self in dialoguers.
Tomorrow night I will be debating a Muslim minister one on one while hundreds of others will be listening to the dialogue.
I am saying all this to let you know I am not your prophet and to be stupidly going back and forth with is something I don’t have to do like I would with Cynthia and other Black Americans.
So, when you become stupid like you are now talking about my IQ when the focus is on knowing the racial differences I am done because I’ve made my point since you are talking about everything else except the of racial diversity.
Try to understand, the topic is: We Came Before Columbus. I'm not concerned if you can deal with me or not. Wednesday, May 1st 2013 at 3:00AM ------Steve Williams
why do you steve, a selfProfessed 'whiteMan' --- DEMAND ----that harry a selfProfessed 68 IQ 'blackMan' stay onSUBJECT?
This is an African American Family wwwebSite that wishes to SHATTER misconceptions and stereotypes
---- you SHOULD NOT demand something from a descendant of slaverAmericana 1492-1864 that you do NOT do..........offSUBJECT paganPharoahnic nonSense
the African American Author of this Blog wants to should CREDIT
---2013 for Discoveries and Exploration of Africans in AMerica before euroCentric columbusISM or paganChristianity made a man from europe the MASTER of a man from AFRICA---- BIGGEST stereotypeAmericana -+--STOP your offSUBJECTISM
I guess you believe as Harry does Robert, that there were no free Africans in colonial America?
Thursday, May 2nd 2013 at 6:04AM
Steve Williams
dear Author of this blog, dj
--yourFriend steve wants to go offSUBJECT----AGAIN
you have deleted and blocked me for BEING onSUBJECT-----
I am an African America Citizen and per BIA Preamble am an African American Family bigFamily Responsible Man
.....steve is a Disrespectful, selfProfessed 'whiteMan' that YOU, djohnson once called a CRACKER and a WIGGER.....
is there a reason WHY you let this Stereotypically racistMan--- continue offSUBJECT?
if you decide to delete my response to this offSUBJECT racialist---OK
I guess you believe as Harry does Robert, that there were no free Africans in colonial America? --------Thursday, May 2nd 2013 at 6:04AM ------Steve Williams
free to do what?
Constitution of the United States of AMerica was ratified on March 4, 1789.
colonialAmerica was then a "democraticRepublic"
was an African, "We the People"? was an African, "A citizen"?
was an AfricanImmigrant------ scientifically Equal to a European Immigrant?
where the overWhelming MAJORITY of Africans; -----------free of paganChristian inspired slaverAmericana1492-1864(1964); euroCentric; torture, murder, rape and pedophilia?
i, believe History, Scholarship and Science answers ----NO---- to all my Questions?
so if you steveyWonder, believe there were freeAfricans in colonialAmerica 1789 --- i guess you MEAN---"as free as you want harry, sweetIrma, siebra and I --- to be in 2013
WHY IS EVERYTHING A FIGHT W YOU ROBERT ??
Thursday, May 2nd 2013 at 2:03PM
DAVID JOHNSON
WHY IS EVERYTHING A FIGHT W YOU ROBERT ?? Thursday, May 2nd 2013 at 2:03PM ----- David Johnson
where is the fight?
YOU-------------call yourself the blogKING?
YOU-------------DE*****ATE, AlIslaam and Mohamed(saw)
YOU-------------Write the FILTHIEST Language at BIA
YOU-------------Make up a bunch of CARTOON writers
YOU-------------are the selfProfessed 'blackMarine'
YOU-------------DELETE and BLOCK commentary at BIA
YOU-------------BREAK BIA Rules
YOU-------------Do not follow BIA Preamble
YOU-------------even TAKE my blogSubject --- the World that was shaped by African and American ancestors---- 800-1491 (690 hits) Lets start to LIVE up to the Preamble of BIA and "to thine own self be TRUE" Part 1-5 EXPLORATION of America by the Islaamic Nations of West Africa A Muslim historian AbuBakr Ibn Umar Al-Gutiyya narrated that during the Rule of Spain, Hisha ... Posted Thursday, June 28th 2012 at 9:29AM (more) by: powell robert
again, i AM ----- following BIA Preamble and Rules...........
you and steve are Misconceptions and Stereotypes that BIA Preamble asks African American Families to Shatter.............
time for editing !
Thursday, May 2nd 2013 at 4:43PM
DAVID JOHNSON
David, speaking of editing... Don't know if you listened to Harry's debate with the Son of Man of the New Nation of Islam last night, but Harry was so talking over the man that he had to keep putting Harry on mute.
Thursday, May 2nd 2013 at 7:05PM
Steve Williams
where is the link ??
Thursday, May 2nd 2013 at 7:13PM
DAVID JOHNSON
After the “experts” have established the “truth”, they are very reluctant to let new discoveries revise what they already conceived as being the “truth” because they don’t want to discredit their own life’s work. Their identity is built upon it, and they clutch it like a baby clutches her doll. Being a part of the ASA Restoration Project, I have seen this tendency first hand.
A TRUE “expert” in anything understands that there is always an immense amount of knowledge that we know we don’t yet know, and an even greater amount of knowledge that we don’t even know that we don’t know. What we “know” is only what has been discovered thus far.
Dr. Ivan Van Sertima, an African scholar
Saturday, January 4th 2014 at 3:20PM
DAVID JOHNSON
History is a clock people use to tell their historical culture and political time of the day. Its a compass that people use to find themselves on the map of human geography. The history tell them where they have been, where they are, and what they are, but most importantly history tells a people where they still must go and what they still must be.
Saturday, January 4th 2014 at 3:28PM
DAVID JOHNSON
They say black america was born through slavery well that is a lie ,its time for the truth to be told and scholarship to present the facts I love to read and do research when you know better, you do better .
knowledge I got this study through search and van Van Sertima’s 1986 book, They Came Before Columbus, claims that Africans made a series of settlements in the Americas hundreds of years before Columbus set sail.
The author cites a wealth of linguistic, historical and anthropological evidence, not to mention the written accounts and diaries of Columbus and other explorers who mention finding Black people already here when they arrived. Nonetheless, They Came Before Columbus has been dismissed out of hand by the academic establishment.
However, one needs no technical expertise to evaluate its claims. The visual evidence by itself carries the day. It is the dozens of 10 – 16 foot high stone heads produced by the ancient Olmec civilization, the “Olmec Heads.” They have unmistakably African features.
In 2010, The History Channel released a documentary, “Who Really Discovered America?” It examined claims of a host of reputed pre-Columbian arrivals: the Chinese, Welsh, Polynesians, Israelites, Vikings, Irish, Japanese and others. However, Ivan Van Sertima’s name, let alone his book or its hypothesis, were not mentioned at all.
The Olmec heads were not even shown. This, despite the fact that all sorts of theories, with but the flimsiest evidence, as opposed to, They Came Before Columbus which was decades in the making, were given considerable air time.
Dr. Ivan Van Sertima’s classic They Came Before Columbus In reaction to this calculated, studied oversight a number of African American individuals raised money to fund a series of videos, “Hidden Colors,” in which prominent African American researchers were interviewed to document a wide array of little known African contributions to science and society down through the ages.
Monday, January 20th 2014 at 11:17AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Columbus wasn't the first to cross the Atlantic. Nor were the vikings. Two Native Americans landed in Holland in 60 B.C. and were promptly not given a national holiday by anyone. Columbus didn't see the enormous significance of his ability to cross the Atlantic because it wasn't especially significant. His voyage wasn't particularly difficult. They enjoyed smooth sailing, and nobody was threatening to throw him overboard. Despite what history books tell kids (and the Internet apparently believes), Columbus died wealthy, and with a pretty good idea of what he'd found -- on his third voyage to America, he wrote in his journal, "I have come to believe that this is a mighty continent which was hitherto unknown."
Monday, January 20th 2014 at 11:19AM
DAVID JOHNSON
"I" AM SO HAPPY TO SAY THAT THANKS TO OUR NATIVE-AMERICANS...COLUMBUS DAY IS ALMOST ABOUT TO GO OUT OF EXISTANCE...MEXICANS HAVE A BETTER OF THIS BEING DONE SOONER TAHN LATER AS THEY CONTINUE TO REALIZE THEY HAVE BEEN LIED TO ABOUT BEING SPANISH AND NOT NATIVE-AMERICANS...
AND, PLEASE PAY MORE COLSER ATTENTION TO THE NEXT TIME THIS DAY ROLLS AROUND. LOL!!! (SMILE)...
OOPS, HOW CAN "I" FORGET THEY ARE NOW THE MAJORITY R-A-C-E IN AMERICA. (ROTFL)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@SON FOR YOUR MOM PLEASE ALLOW HARRY TO SPEAK AND LET YOUR MOM SEE HARRY HAS THE POWER TO SAY SOMETHING BRAND NEW...
LIKE A COMMENT WITH ONLY 'P-O-S-I-T-I-V-E-S IN IT...BUT IF HE IS ONLY ON YOUR WONDERFUL POST AS A NEW HOME TO INSULT OUR PEOPLE, THEN PLEASE DELETE HIM, BECAUSE WE ALREADY KNOW IT ALL BY HEART...
THANKS LOV. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@DAVID, W-O-W ON THAT HEAD!!!(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
OK HARRY...DOES YOUR BLACK AMERICAN PEOPLE PRE DATE THESE IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING YOU WANT TO DISCLOSE YOUR PROOFS FOR THE FIRST TIME AS AN EXCLUSIVE ON DAVID'S POST? ...
WHAT A GOOD AND HUMBLE THING TO DO PROPHET AS YOU COULD HAVE KEEP ALL OF THIS FAME AND GLORY OF YOUR PROOFS ALL TO YOUR SELF AND NOT HAVE SHARED IT LIKE THIS...
AND, HARRY I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE SOME PICTURES AND ABOUT THE DIG AND WHERE YOU FOUND IT AND ALL OF THAT...HOW EXCITING, HOW EXCITING. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
QUESTION, ARE THESE OLDER THAN HAS BEEN DISCOVERED IN AFRICA? YOU KNOW MY LOVE FOR ANTROPOLOGY...
@HARRY, STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO FIND OUT ABOUT THE BLACK AMERICAN UNLSEE YOU HAVE BEEN 'INSPIRED' TO CREAT THEM FROM YOUR OWN IMAGE. IMAGINATIONS AND PUT THEM HERE IN A PLACE TEH WHITE MAN NOT MOSE'S NAMED 'AMERICA'...(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
STEVE IS DISH BETTER THAN COMCAST...ACTUALLY STEVE UNLSEE THEY PUT ANY THING UNDER GROUND OUT HERE THE PAPAL RADAR AT BEALE WILL INTERFERE WITH IT SI WHAT WE GET FROM COMCAST AND AT&T. (SMILE)
AT OUR PUBLIC LIBRARY WE CAN GET IT IN VERY SLOW AND ONLY FOR A FEW MOMENTS AND IT STIPS AND STARTS...I COULD GO TO YUBA CITY TO FREIND'S HOMES AND USE THEIR HIGH SPEED, BUT I AM SORT OF A HERMIT. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@STEVE, MAY BE YOU SOULD DO SOME OF HE ANCIENT ALIENS AND WHAT THE ANCIENTS KNEW SERIES ON H2 AS THEY EXPLAIN WHAT YOU WEERE JUST SAYING ABOUT HE PYRMID BUILDINIGS ALL OVER THE WORLD...BUT NEVER FORGET WE TODA ARE STILL TRYING TO LEARN HOW THESE PEOPLES ALL OVER THE WORLD MANAGED TO ACCOMPLISH THINGS WE STILL AN'T DO TODAY HERE IN 2013...THE EVOLUTIN V. CREATION BATTLE IS ON GOING AND MAN STILL FEAR GOING TO HELL ALONG WITH BELIEVING THE SEQUESTER IS THE BEST THING FO RSCIENCE SINCE APPLE PIE...LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@ALL, PLEASE PAY SPECIAL ATTENTION TO OUR PROPHET'S COMMENT HE IS BLACK AMERICAN 'RIGHT NOW' LESS WE FOR GET HARRY A FEW BLOGS AGO SAID HE WAS NO LESS THAN G-O-D. LOL!!!(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...AND, SOMETHING EVEN MOE FACINATING IS THE PYRMIDES IN EGYPTIS TIED TO ORIAN (THERE WAS ON H2 A PROGRAM ON THE IMPORTANCE ONF ORIAN ON MAN'S FUTURE FINDS IN EH UNIVERSITY) ANY WAY NO MATTER HOW ONE MEARUSRES IT THE PYRMIDES IS ONLY OFF LESS HEN 4 INCHES OF BEING THE CENTER OF HE PLANER NO MATTER WHERE YOU AKE THE MESUREMENTS FROM...I SAW THIS ON A DOCUEMNTARY BACK WHEN TEHY WERE SHOWING SLAVES DID NOT BUILD THE PYRMIDES. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
IGNORANCE IS AS IGNORANCE DOES SINCE MOSTIS CENTERED ON BETTER THEN, DIFFERENT IS DEFICIENT , "IN GOD (OF SOME NAME/ LABLE)...HELL MANY O FOUR ANSESTORS CAME AS BLACKS FROM EUROPE, CUBA, HAITA AND YES AS 'SLAVES'...I REPEAT INGORANCE AND RESISTANCE TO 'PROPER EDUCATION WITLL CONTINUE TO PUT UP ROAD BLOCKS OF THE GOD COMPLEX TO PREVENT AND LIMIT OUR EDUCATION TO SOMEONE ELSES' PERSONAL OPINIONS. (NUP)
STEVE, ITS LEAVES TEH PREFECT LINE TO ORIEN IN THE LIGHT INTO THE PYRMID AS WELL AS TEH SMOTHENESS OF THE BLOCKS AND TEH DELEVERY OF THEM ALONG WITH THE REASON TO BUILD THEM IN EH FIRST PLACE, BECAUSE IN DOING SO WE LEAVE OUT HE STARS BEING STUDED AS EH BEGINING OF THIS IN TEH FIRS TPLACE, RIGHT...EVERYTHING MUST HAVE A BEGINING...AND, WHAT PUTSME INTO THE ALIEN OUT LOOK IS THE LOOKING UP TO THE SKIES AND EH TEH GOD'S WILL RETURN IS JUST TOO, TOO COMMON IN ALL OF THIS. ALONG WITH THE LETS JUST WIPEOUT SCIENCE AND SEEKING A RATIONAL NOT AN EMOTIONAL ANSWER TO ANY OF THIS AT ALL....ME, I WILLJUST STICK WITH THE HUMAN MIND IS MADE TO BE COURIOUS AND TOPLAN HOW TOMAKE US BE ABLE TO LIVE IN ANY CLIMITE WE EXIST ON(.SMILE)
SPEAKING ONLY FO RME IT IS AN INSULT TO MY BRAIN POWERS TOEVN WASTE TIME TRYING TO ACCEPT A NAKED ADAM AND EVE IN ALASKA AND SURVIVING...AND, AS FAR AS SKIN COLOR I WILL ACCEPT THE BODY CAN NOT EXIST IF VITIAM D CAN'T GET INTO THE BODY OR SUNLIGHT CAN NOT BE LEFT OUT OF EH BODY...AND, I AM SURE THERE WAS FAR LESS SKIN CANCER BEFORE WE POLLUTED AND GOT RID OF A LOT OF OUR PROTECTINS AREOUND THE PLANET TAHT WE EVOLVED TO WITH STAND OVER LETS SAY NOT 2,00O YEARS. (SMILE)
AND, UNTIL SCIENCE TEACHES ME BETTER I WILL ACCEPT NO TPRAYING AWAY AIDES UNTIL THERE IS PROOF AIDES HAS A HISTORY LIKE SAY SMALL POX , THE BLACK DEATH HAS. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
HARRY THAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH TRUNING TO GOD TO SOLVE YU NEEDS TO GET PAST YOU RIGNORANCE...YOU MAKE CALIMS I AM TOO STUPID TO HAVE YOU ACCEPT ANY THING COMING FOMR ME AND YET YOU HAVE NO IDEA IF I AM BLACK, BLUE, RED OR WHITE OR EVEN MALE OR MALE AND HAVE/ DON'T HAVE MALE AND FEMALE s*x ORGANS NOW DO YOU HARRY AND YOU CLAIM TO BE G-O-D!!!
HARRY IT IS WHY I STICK WITH OBJECTIVE THINGS AND PROOFS. THAT IS UNTIL YOU ACCEPT ME AS YOUR GOD BECAUSE YOU ACEPT EVERY THING ELSE I SAY ABOUT MYSELF AND I KNOW MORE ABOUT ME THAN YOU...HELL HOW ABOUT CALLIN GSTEVE GOD BECAUSE HE DOES ALSO KNOW MORE ABOUT ME IN THE REAL WORLD THEN YOU HARRY AND YOU CLAIM TO BE MY GOD. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@HARRY WHAT PLANTATION AND WHICH COLONY WERE YOUR ANCESTORS FROM?(SMILE) OR ARE YOU TOO STUPID TO KNOW OR TO LEARN OR TO EVEN CARE AS LONG AS YOU HAVE A PLATFORM TO CALL OTHERS NEGATIVE NAMES(SMILE)...
HARRY WEHAVE BEEN TREATIN GYOU DECENT NOW LETS SEE HOW DECENTLY YOU AE WILLING TO TREAT YOUR SELF...SHOW US YOU EVEN HAVE TIES IN AMERICA...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...JUST A LITTLE LESSON BUT NOT A BIGGY ONLY TO INFORM FROM THE CULTURE/ ETHNIC SIDE... "TRIBE" IS USED AS AN INSULT WHEN USED TO DEFINE NATIVE-AMERICANS AS IT IS USED TO REPLACE WHAT THEY DEFINED THEMSELVES AS "FAMILY" ...THE SOUX FAMILY, NOT TRIBE. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
POOR HARRY FOR OVER 300 YEARS NO BLACK MAN HAD A CHILDREN IN AMERICA...NO WONDER PEOPLE KEEP REJECTING YOUR NATION HARRY...THEY WANT TO HAVE CHILDREN WIT THOM THEY WANT TO HAVE THEM AND WHERE IN ANYPLACE ON AMERICA SOIL THEY CAN DO SO NOT RETURN TO THE SAYS OF WASINGTON AND JEFFERESON YOU AE ASKING THEM TO BE CONFINED TO... (SMILE)
TRY AGAIN HARRY AS YOU AE NOT YET NOT REPEATING YOUR PAST FEW YEARS ONLY MINUS HE UNNESSARY INSULTS...MORE OF HARRY FEELING SORRY FOR HIM SELFA ND TRYING TO PUT IT ON OTHERS WHO HAVE SUCH ENDLESS PRIDE...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@STEVE, MORE OF WHY I CAN'T SEEM TO GET AWAY FROM NATURAL SURVIVAL AND WHY CREATIONIST AND EVOLUTIONIST WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO FIT IN THE SAME SPACE...IF WE LOOSE OUR EYY SIGHT, OUR HEARING , TOUCH WILL COMPANSATE FOR THIS. ..
"I" SHALL NEVER FORGET THIS LESSON FROM MY NURSE'S AIDE'S CLASS... "IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A FAMILY MEMBE PUT ON A BREATING MACHINE DO IT WITHIN ABOUT 24 HOURS, BECAUSE I FNOT THE BRAIN IS GOING TO O IT OWN DEVISE A WAY TO COMPENSATE THE BODY'S LOOSES, I GUESS MUCH LIKE WE SHIVER INCOLD TO KEEP OUR VITAL ORGANS WARM OR GO INTO HIBRNATION TO PROTECT OUR VITAL BODY ORGANS IF WE FALL INTO EXTRA COLD WATERS FOR THE SAME REASONS TO RESERVE ENERGY...IT IS NATURAL AND AUTOMATIC AAS BREATING , GETING HUNGRY, THIRSTY FO RTHE A SAME REASON. (SMILE)
NOT ONE RELIGIOUS ARGUMENT ABOUT WHICH ONE IS THE BEST ONE TO PROVIDE THESE UNIVERSAL AGREMENT AMONG THE HUMAN MINDS/ BODY/ ECOMOMY / POLITICS ECT. (OTFL)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
IHAVE A PROBLEM WITH HARRY'S CONCLUSIONS OF BEING THE BLACK AMERICA'S FIRST PROPHET...BECASUE IT EXCLUDES TOO. TOO MANY PEOPLES WITH DARK/ BLACK SKINS...BUT IHAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH HIS CLAIMS OF BEING G-O-D AS THE IMAGE OF GOD IS LESS EXCLUDING PEOPLES WITH BLACK/ DARKSKIN AND, HOPEFULLY INCLUDES TOSE WITH LIGHT COLOR BLACK-BROWN SKIN COLORS THAT THE WHITES REJECT.(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
OH AND BY THE WAY OUR PRESIDENT HARRY IS GIVING A SPEECH ON HOW HE HOPES HE CAN HELP TOSE PEOPLES LED BY MOSES TO FINALLY GET TO THEIR PROMISED LAND SO THEY CAN BE AT PEACE AND OT STILLUNDER THE THE STILL CONSTANT PAINSOF WAR AS THEY STILL ARE HERE STILLIN 2013...WHAT SAY YOU PROPHET HARRY AS YOU TEND TO MENTION HOW LONG IT TAKES A PROPHET TO FULLFILL THIER INSPIRED MISSION FROM G-O-D. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@ROBERT SINCE THE DOOR TO THIS SITE SWINGS BOTH WAYS WHAT THE HELL IS A MUSLIMDOIN GON A CHRISTIANNETWORK AND EVEN IN A CHRISTIAN NATION... BUT EVEN MORE DISRESPECTFUL ROBERT IS THE WAY YOU MUST LOOK WIT HDISTAIN AT YOUR OWN MOTHER FOR BEING A LOWLY FEMALE WITH THAT WHITE PEOPLE NOT ALLOWED...ROBERT , I HAVE NO MORE USE FOR YOU IN MY LIFE, EVER, EVER AGAIN IF YOU HAVE THIS LEVEL OF PUT DOWN OF THE PERSON WHO GAVE BIRTH TO YOU...(___________)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@STEVE, YESTERDAY H2 HAD A WONDERFUL DOCUMENTARY ON EGYPT CALLED 'BUILDING AN EMPIRE" ....MUST RUN BUT WILL BE BACK TO GIVE DATES. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
OOPS PROHET HARRY..."GOD HAS NO RACE" SO WHO CAME UP WITH PROPHETS MUST BE OF THEIR RACE???...
YOU HARRY????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? LOL!!!MORE PROOF OF YOU ARE ACTUALLY G-O-D? (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
THE ROBERTS AND THE HARRYS OF OUR PANET IS WHY MAN IN TRYING TOPLAY CATCH UP WITH WHAT MAN KNEW IN BC HERE IN AC...BY LIMITING US TO 'GOD' ONLY WANTS US TO CALL EACH OTHER NAMES AND ME MUST NOT LOVE AND RESPECT SELF SO LIMIT US TO WE ARE LESS THAN AND TH 'OTHER PERSON IS EVEN LESSER THEN SO JUST CALL EACH OTHER BAD, DEGRADING NAMES AND PEOPLE LIKE ME CAN'T LEARN ABOUT THIS HEAD DAVID JUST LET ME LEARNABOUT FOR THE FIRST TIME...NOW SOMEMORE CATCH UPS IN "EGPT: BUILDING AN EMPIRE...THE FIRST STONE BUILDING WAS TO BE (WHAT IS LATER TO BE CALLED THE FIRST PYRMIDE IN EGYPT)...
THIS STONE STRUCTURE WAS TO BE THE TOMB OF PHARAOH DSEIS, 2667 BC-2648...THIS AREA HAS BEEN REBUILD VIA COMPUTERS AND WAS MASSIVE. AMONG MANY STURCTURES THERE WERE 20,2 SRORY STRUCTURES AND 2 PALACES AND MASSIVE FREE STANDING MASSIVE COLUMS AS WELL AS EGYPT HAS THE FIRST KNOWN DAM BUILD ALL AROUND MEMPHIS , HIS SON BUILD THE SECOND TOMB AND HIS GRAND SON BUILD THE 3RD AND TRUE PYRMIDE...
BUT, IT IS VERY INTERESTING THE FIRST AND SECOND PYRMIDES SEEM UNRELATED TO THE TRUE PYRMIDE IN THE SENSE THEY ARE NOT TIED TO THE STARS DIRECTLY IN THEIR CONSTRUCTION. EXAMPLE, YOU CAN STAND IN (AS SCIENCE DOES) OR OUT SIDE OF IT AND PINT POINT STARE LOCATIONS AS WELL AS SEASONS AND TIMES OF THE YEAR AS EXACT SCIENTIFICALLY. IT IS ALSO A SORCE OF ENERGY THAT CAN BE MEASURED.
NOW TO MORE AD CATCH OF OTHER SCIENTIFIC FIELDS. GEOLOGY...THE 'ICE MAN' AS HE IS CALLED AND HE HAS A NAME WAS FOUND AFTER BEING FROZEN 5,000 YEARS BEFORE HE FIRST PYRMIDE WAS BUILD AND THE SOES HE WAS WEARING IS BETTER FOR WINTER PROTECTION THAT ANY WE AN MAKE TODAY. AND THIS SCIENCE HAS FOUND THE STORY OF NOAH'S FLOOD TO BE A FACT BY WAY OF STUDING THE COLORS OF MOUNTIAN AT DIFFERENT STAGES AN DATING TH ECHANGES AND WHAT CAUSED THESE COLORS.LOL!!!(S-M-I-L-E)
@DOC, I PASSED THAT UP BUT WILL WATCH IT TH ENEXT TIMEIT IS REBROAD CASTED....LOOOOOOOOL... THANKS...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
..'SHOES' HE IS WEARING AS IN THE FIRST KNOWN PAIR OF SHOES/ BOOTS...(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
M-E, "I" AGREE WITH LOGIC...IF WE MAKE UP OUR MINDS THAT THE 'OTHER SIDE' IS WRONG THEREFORE THEY SHOULD NEVER EVEN GET TO HAVE A SAY...
THEN WE ONLY HAVE OUR OWN PRIVATE WORLD OF 'IGNORANCE' SO BE HAPPY AND CONTANT WITH IT...BUT AS THAT OLD SAYING GOES THAT IS ALSO TRUE, "MISERY LOVES COMPANY"...NOW LETS GO ON TO SOME MORE SURVIVL TACTICS FOR KEEPING THE 'CLOSED MIND' CLOSED COMING OUT TO ONLY TRY AND HELP PROMOTE HATRED, DEVISION AND FEAR BECAUSE DESPERTE PEOPLE DODESPERATE THINGS...
PEGAN IS DEFINED AS FARMER... CIVILIZATION AS MANKIND KNOWSIT BEGAN ALONG THE NILE RIVER...PEOPLES MOVING FROM HUNTER GATHERS TO (PEGAN) FARMINGS AND TURNING SKY WARDS IN ORDER TO BETTER PREDICT THE PROVIDERS OF LIFE...THE SUN :HEAR, FIRE...THE NILE : WATER THAT MIXES SO WELL WITH THE EARTH AND THE SEED OH AND LETS NOT FORGET THE BIRDS TAHT FLY AND THE BEAST OF BURDENS DEPENDS OF STUDYING THE CHANGES IN WEATHER...
AND, YET SOME STILL USE THEIR RELIGIONS IN 2013 TO ROVE NO CHANGES IN THE WEATHER PATTERNS...DIDN'T A PREACHERIN ONE AMERICAN STATE JUST PROMOTE 'BOOK BURNINGS'?????????????????? (NUP!!!!)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...SOME HOW WEHAVE MANAGED TO REDEFINE, "CIVILIZED" FROM BEING ABLE TO GROW ENOUGH FOOD TO FEED ENOUGH FAMILIES THAT THEY CAN MANAGE TO BUILD VILLAGES, INTO TOWNS AND THEN CITIES INTO BEING CIVILIZED IS TO BUILD TH EBIGGEST MOST DEADLY MAN AND EARTH KILLING WEAPONS FASTER THEN THE OTHER 'CIVILIZED NATION'...
WAKE UP MANKIND...THE SPECIES YOU SAVE JUSTMAY BE YOUR OWN. (N...U...P)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...OH AND ONE MORE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT F-A-C-T...WE STILL RESIST TODAY AND HAS TO DO WITH WHY OUR SUPREME COURT IS 'SUPPOSE' TO GO ACCORDIN GTO LAW'...
THOSE WHO WROTE OUR CONSTUTITION WERE NEITHER RELIGIOUS NOR AMERICAN CITIZENS...THEY WERE IN THE REAL WORLD SOING WHY POLITICIANS DO TODAY, THEY WERE PLANTATION OWNER/ BIG BUSINESS OWNERS OUT TOPORTECT THEMSELVES AS THEY WERE THE FEW AGAINST THE PUBLIC THE MAJORITY P-O-O-R, WORKING CALSS ...
PROPER EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!! IS ALWAYS A BAD THING FOR THE STATUS QUO... TO BE FILLED IN WITH RELIGIONS AS RELIGIONS FIGHT AMONG THEMSELVES.LOL!!! (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
PLEASE LETS WAIT ONE...WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THESE PEOPLES CALLED THEMSELVES, RIGHT?!? AND SINCE AFRICA WAS DIVIDED UP BY EUROPE , I BELIEVE IN THE 20S, TOO, TOO MANY AFRICAN NATIONS HAVE BEEN RENAMED SO I BELIEVE WE SHOULD GET OFF THE TRYING TO FIND A PROPER NAME...
NOW IN MY LOCAL TODAY NEWS PAPER THEY HAVE PICTURES OF AZTECS DECENDANTS LOCALLLY HAVING A PARADE IN NATIVE WARE CELEBRATING CESAR CHEVEZ HELPING FORM WORKERS GET PAID FOR WORK IN THE 60S...IT IS FROM HERE WE CONTINUE TO GET COLUMBUS REFUTED EACH COLUMBUS DAY EACH YEAR. (S-M-I-L-E)...
EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!! AND FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH IS THE BEST WAY,,,IN TIME WE FIND MORE AND MORE HISTORY THAT RELIGION SLIKE THE ROBERTS AND THE HARRYS TRIED TO DISTROY...OH, AND YES LIKE ALL HUNTER GATHER THEY HAVE AN ORAL HISTORY THAT SCIENCE KEEPS FINDING TO BE FACTUAL. ..
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@ROBERT, WHAT DID THURGOOD MARSHELL DO TO GET ON THE SUPREME COURT EXCEPT TO BE BLACK AT THE RIGHT THIME AND ROBERT WHAT WAS HAPPENING TO MAKE IT THE RIGHT TIME?!?...
"I" HATE HUMAN PARSITES WITH A PASSION FEEDING OFF THE WORKS OF OTHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (N...U...P!!!)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@DAVID & STEVE HAVE YOU SEEN HOW ROBERT STALKED M EON ONE OF SIEBRA'S BLOGS AND WENT AND TOLD HARRY ON ME LIKE HARRY HAS SOME KIND OF POWERS OVER ME.????? ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
AS PRE ALWAYS ROBERTCHANGES WHAT I SAY TO FIT HIS NEEDS TO BE SOMEBODY...I NEVER SAID ROBERT MADE A COMMENT ON SIEBRA'A BLOG...I SAID HE STALKED ME ON SIEBRA'S BLOG ANT THEN WENT TO HARRY TO REPORT ME LIKE HARRY HA SOME KIND OF POWER OVER ME...
MCUH LIKE ROBERT IS TRYING TO TAKE CREDIT FOR THE MOORS. example, robert HOWOLD IS YOUR RELIGIOUS FAITH THAT YOU CAN N-O-W TRY AND FEED OFF OF THE MOORS WORKS???????????!!!!!!!!!PARISITE!!!!!LOL!!! (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@STEVE WE ARE FIGHTING AN UP HILL BATTLE AS WE ARE GOING AGAINST THE MIND SET OF PLEASE FORGIVE ME BUT IT IS TRUE ABOUT THE MIND SET TAUGHT BY THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE...AND, THE BEST EXAMPLE I CAN GIVE IS...
RICE COMES FROM AFRICA AND WE STILL REFUSE TO ACCEPT THE GULLAHS DID NOT COME HERE AS 'CHATEL SLAVES / OR THE WE DECENDANTS OF AFRICA DID NOT COME HERE TO BE MADE CHRISTIANS SO WE COULD BE CIVILIZED ENOUGH TO GO TO 'HEAVEN....
CAN ANYONE SAY WE ARE STILL TRYING TO DO THIS IN 2013 TO THE MUSLIMS IN TH EMIDDLE-EAST?!? (NUP)...
IT IS JANUARY 20, 1964- ELECTION DAY! THE PEOPLE OF NORTHERN RHODESIA (WHAT IS NOW ZAMBIA) WERE GOING TO THE POLLS TO ELECT THEIR FIRST COMPLETELY SELF-GOVERNING LEGISLATIVE BODY...A PART OF WHAT I KNOW WE HAVE HEARD, "THE SUN NEVER SETS ON GREAT BRITIAN"...BRITIAN I DO BELIEVE FALLS UNSER THE IT IS A CHRISTIAN NATION LIKE AMERICA DOES IS MY POINT IN THE MAN SHALL NOT BELIEVE TEH EARTH IS NOT F-L-A-T (MY PERSONAL PET PEVE IN CREATING PREJUDUCE AS IN IGNORANCE)...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
NOPE, BEFORE THAT WE HAD A SUN, WATER, WIND, EARTH GODS AND GODDESS THAT ALLOWED US TO ONLY WANT TO FIND FOOD, SHELTER AS USING OUR NATURAL NEEDS TO SURVIVE!!! NOW WE HAVE IF YOU HAVE NOTICED EACH TIME WE TRY TO USE OUR NATURAL BRAINPOWERS TO LEARN WHERE WE HAVE BEEN SO WE CAN MAKE IT EASIER TO GET WHERE WE NEED TO BE IN THIS GAME OF LIFE CALLED SURVIVAL HERE COMES SOME FORM OF RELIGION SAYING "NO YOU CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE IT IS MUCH BETTER FOR MANKIND TO HATE,FEAR COMMUNICATIONS IN A PEACEFUL, RESPECTFUL, UNIFIED MANNER" AKA 'DIALOGUE' (N...U...P!!!)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...SOLETS HOPE MANKIND CONTINUES TO STUDY THE STAR CHARTS TO FIND NEW LANDS AS THEY HAVE IN ALL OF MANKINDS EXISTANCE IN ORDER THAT WE MAY FIND ANOTHER PLANET AS WE DID CONTINENTS BEFORE WE DISTROY THE EARTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@ROBERT ISN'T TIS WHAT THE SHIITS AND SUNNI AER IN CONSTANT BATTLE STILL TO TIS DA OVER WHO WAS TEH GREATEST IN MUSLIM HISTORY?!?...I GOT TIS STRAIGHT FROM MY GOOD FRIEND AT UCD WHO WAS BORN AND RAISED IN IRAN AND HAD TO COME HERE BECAUSE SHE WOULD NOT STOP PLAYING MUSIC AND SHE SAID THE ARABIAN MUSLIMS WERE HER NATURAL ENEMY...I WAS T O LEARN LATER IT WAS ALL ABOUT THE PERSIAN EMPIRE... (SMILE) ...
LIKE CHRISTIANS WILL STOP FIGHTING EACH OTHER TO GO FIGHT MUSLIMS...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...SHE REFUSED TO NOT PLAY WESTERN MUSIC, YOU SEE SHE WAS A SPOILED POOR RICH GIRL AS IN HER FATHER WAS A GENERAL FOR THE SHAH AND WHEN HE FELL WELL SH WAS UNALBE TO PLAY THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TRACKS BEING OBEDIENT...LORD I SOULD PICTURE HER FATHER TELLING HER WO SHE WOULD MARRY. WHOW!!! LOL!!! (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
OH AND ROBERT THE PERSON YOU JUST MADE YOUR COMMENT ON I SAW LESS THAN 2 MONTHS AGO ON H2, I FORGET THE PROGRAM BUT YOU REMEMBER SINCE YOU MADE A COMMENT ON MY SAYING MOHAMMAD WAS A TRADER IN ASIA AS I REPORTED FORM THAT PROGRAM. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@HONEY BEE, YOU ARE SO CORRECT IT NEVER FAILS TO SURPRISED ME AT HOW CLOSE TO JUDAHISM, ISLAM IS...BUT THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF SPIN OFFS IS IT NOT TO SAY I CAN TAKE WHAT YOU HAVE AND MAKE TI EVEN BETTER? (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
NOW SINCE I AM INTO EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!!... IF WE GO BACK TO THE SOCIAL ORDER AS THIS BLOG IS ABOUT SINCE THE SCIENCE OF THOSE WHO STUDY THESE HEADS DO AS IN THEY ALWAYS GO BY THE SOCIETY AT THAT TIME AND NOT OUR TIME PERIOD...IT IN THE 14TH CENTURY WAS A BARDER SYSTEM WHAT USE WOULD THE POOR HAVE FOR NEEDING GOLD TO KEEP ITS ECONMY GOING...I BELIEVE IT WAS MORE INTO A BARDER SYSTEM THAN WRITTING CHECKS OR GOING TO THELOCAL MARKET TO SPEND ONES WEEKLY BI-WEEKLY PAY CHECK.!...
AND, EVEN MORE BRAIN DEAD IS FOR THE SLAVE TRADER IT WOULD MEAN BANKRUPCY AS IT WOULD MAKE TEH PRICE OF SLAVE PRICES BEING ABLE TO GO UP OR DOWN TRADING NULL AND VOID IF EVERYONE HAD GOLD.(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
I WOULD GIVE ANY THING TO BE ABLE TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL THE PICTURE THAT GOES WITH THIS STATEMENT IN MY NATIONAL GEORGAPHY MAGAZINE...
A FAST MOVING PARTY OF MORE THAN A DOZEN ADULTS AND ADOLESCENTS LEFT FOOTPRINTS IN VOLCANIC ASH IN THE PLEISOCENE, PROVVIDING ANCIENT EVIDENCE OF MODERN HUMANS ON THE MOVE IN EAST AFRICA.THE TRACKS ARE PRESERVED AT ENGARE SERO IN TANWANIA BENEATH A STILL ACTIVE VOLCANO...
THIS WHOLE MAGAZINE'S EDITION IS DEDICATE T OMANKINDS NEEDS TO SEE WHAT IS OVER THE HORIZEN.AND IT COVERS MANKIND, EVERY SINCE OUR SPECIES LEFT AFRICA SOME 60,000YEARS AGO, THE URGE TO PUSH BYYOND WHAT'S KNOWN- TO DISCOVER NEW LANDS AND OPPORTUNITIES-HAS SHAPED HUMAN CULTURE. AND THE IMPULSE IS STILLJUST AS STRONG. TIS ADDITION CELEBRATES NATIONA GEOGRAPHY'S 125TH ANNIVERSARY...
THEY HAVE A MAP AND A TIME LINE MAP OF THE HUMAN MOVEMENTS SINCE THEY BEGAN AS IN WHAT SCIENCE HAS UNCOVERED...SO F-A-R.LOL!!!...I WILL DO TH ETIMELINE MAP LATER. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
(ROTFLMAO) JE HOVER NEVER MADE THE SAME MISTAKE AGAIN THAT HE MADE WITH TM...IN BELIEVING HE COULD TREAT BLACKS LIKE THEY HAD NO HIDDEND AGENDA BECASUE HE HAD TH ECORNER ON THIS...ANYONE SEE HOW HE TRIED EVERY TRICK IN THE BOOK AGAINST TH ENEXT BLACK LEADER TO RISE TO NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL PROMINANCE...BUT, WHAT HE TRIED AGAINST DR. KING BACKED FIRED AS ROYALY ON HIM...HE SOUL DHAVE STUCK HIDING GAYS HAVE RIGHTS TO SLEEP WITH THE ONES THEY LOVED OR EVEN JUST STICKING WITH BLACK MAILING TH EKEDDEDY'S ON WO THEY SELP WITH. (ROTFL)...
AND, POOR ROBERT AS I BELIEVE MY BROTHER RABBIT HAS BLOWN ROBERT'SMIND SO BADLY HE HAS FORGOTTEN H EIS HERE TO USE HIS RELIGION TO SHOW ALL THEY ARE WRONG NOT JUST REVERTING TO ACTING LIKE OF FOLLOWING HARRY IN NAME CALLINGS...(SMILE)...
THANKS STEVE MY WHITE BROGHER...EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!!...
BECAUSE BEING HUMAN BEANS IS UNIVERSAL...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@ROBERT, I WOULD NEVER EVEN ASK YOU TO 'SERVE' AT THE 'DISPLEASURE' OF YOU ALLAH BY ASKING YOU T NOT WIPE OUR OUR ACTUAL BIA HISTORY BY SAYING OUR GREATEST BLACK LAWYERS AND TEH WINNERS OF THEMOST CIVIL RIGHTS CASES WERE W-O-M-E-N AND ACTUALLY DURING SLAVERY NOT TO MENTION THE NATIVE-AMERICAN WOMEN ARE TODAY BEING USED FROM THIER HISTORY TO WIN CIVIL RIGHT FOR THEIR PEOPLES LIKE BEING ABLE TO NOT ONLY COLLECT FROM TOSE OIL WELLS IN PLACESD LIKE TEXAS BUT TO GET THE RIGHT TO GO NEAR THEIR OWN OIL FIELDS ON THEIR RESEVATIONS (YES HARRY IN THEIR SOVERGN NATIONS) TO GET WATER...EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!! (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...'I" ADMIT I AM KIND OF SORRY JEN IS NOT HERE WITH HER VERSION OF RELIGION BECAUSE WHAT I SAID ABOUT TH E BLACK FEMALE LAWYERS IS TIED IN TO WHY WE SHOUOLD NOT RESPECT BLACK SINGLE WOMEN...THEY COULD NOT BE ATTORNEYS NOR MARRIED BUT THEY NEVER FELL FOR THE MORE THEY SUFFER, THE GREATER THEIR REWARD IN HEAVEN AND WERE ABE TO SURVIVE. (ROTFLM PROUD BLACK FEMALEAO)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...AND, I SHALL LEAVE ON THIS NOTE IN HONOR OF BOTH MANDELA AND MARSHELL AS THEY UNLIKE CLARANCE THOMAS DID NOT HAVE STUDENT LOANS OR AFFIRMATIVE-ACTIONS TO GET THEM WHERE THEY ARE...THEY BOTH HAD BACKERS WH OKNEW THEY WERE SO SPECIAL IN THEIR THINIKNGS AT TAHT TIME IN HISTORY OF "***** KNOW YOUPLACE" UNTIL THEY BOTH WERE ABLE TO NOT DISAPOINT THEIR, YES MONIED WHITE BACKERS WH HAD FULL FAITH THEY WOULD SOME DAY CHANGE THE WHOLE WORLD AS WE KNEW IT...
YES "I" OFFER HONOR AND RESPECT AND MUCH LOVE TO BOTH OF THESE GREAT MEN WHO WERE ON OPPOSIT SIDES OF THE WORLDS AND MUCH LIKE THETHEME OF THIS BLOG WILL FOREVER RULE DISPITE TOSE WITH SUCH RALIGIOUS HANG UP TRYING TO KEEP US NOT PROPERLY EDUCATED.... (S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
ONCE MODERN HUMANS BEGAN TO MIGRATE OUT OF AFRICA SOME 60,000 YEARS AGO, THEY KEPT GOING UNTIL THEY SPREAD TO ALL CORNERS OF THE EARTH. HOW FAR AND HOW FAST THEY WENT DEPENDED ON CLIMATE, TH EPRESSURES OF POPULATION, AND INVENTION OF BOATS AND OTHER TECHNOLOGIES. LESS TANGIBLE QUALITIES ALSO SPREAD THEIR FOOTSEEPTS: IMAGINATION, ADAPABILITY, AND AN INATE COURSITY ABOUT WHAT LAY OVER THENEXT HILL.
1. FROM THE SOUTHERN MOST TIP OF AFRICA TO THE MIDDLE OF AFRICA, 200,OOO YEARS AGO... 2. THE MIDDLE OF AFRICA TO THE MIDDLE EAST, 70,000-50,000.. 3. PHILIPPINES,SOLOMON ISLANDS, AUSTRAILA 50,000.. 4..MIDDLE-EAST TO EUROPE AROUND THE ALANTIC OCEAN 45,000-35,000.. 5 ASIA AROUND TIWAN 45,000-35,000... 6.NORTH AMERICA, 20,000-15,000.. 7. SOUTH AMERICA,15,000-12,000... 8. NEW GUINEA, 3,500.. 9. FIGI,POLYNESIA, MARQUESAS, TAHITI, 2,500..
MY SUN, WATER, WIND, EARTH GOD'S AND GODESS ARE SORT OF OBJECTIVELY OVER RULING YOUR SUBJECTIVE GODS ROBERT AND HARRY... NOW 'OBJECTIVE MEANS CAN BE PROVEN AND PROVEN AND PROVEN AS ACTUALLY EXISTED AS TANGABLE.LOL!!!(SMILE)...HAS EITHER OF YOU HAD A DRINK OF WATER LATELY AND WHY DID YOU HAVE TAHT DRINK...NOW LET ME GUESS...IT IS TO KEEP YOU FROM GOING TO M-E-E-T YOUR 'MAKER,SOONER THAN LATER, RIGHT? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL (S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
NO, I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE STONE MASONORY. IS IS LIKE SCULPTURING?I CAN UNDERSTAND THE PORING WATER AND HEATING AND COOLING TO BREAK IT BUT THE GETTING IT SO SMOOTH IS STILL THEPROBLEM OF HOW IT WAS DONE...
WILL GO LOOK SEE...(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
DOC, GREAT IDEA...I WILL DO SOME CHECKING AND SEE IF I CAN FIND SOME NAMES...IN MY MINDS EYE, I CN SEE A BLACK EXPLORER IN HIS SPANISH LIKE ARMOR STANDING TALL WITH A FLAG ON TEH WEST COAST BUT NOT A NAME COMES...WE MAY JUST HAVE TO GO FOR NOW ON THINGS LIKE THERE WERE PYRMIDES ALL OVER EVER WHERE AND MAN'S KNOWLEDGE CAN'T ANSWER IT RIGHT NOT...BUT SO MUCH NEEDED SCINECE HAS BEEN DISTROYED AND STILL TO BE FOUND UNTIL WE MAY JUST HAVE TO KEEP DEBATING UNTIL WE FIND TANGABLE PROOFS OF WHY SO MUCH IN COMMONLIKE THIS IS FOUND....
JUST REMEMBER OUR MINDS THEMSELVES ARE STIL A MYSTERY TO MAN HOW THEY WORK.LOL!!! PATIENCE AND DEBATE IS OUR BEST THINGS WE HAVE GOIN GHERE...(SMILE)
THE ROBERTS AND THE HARRYS WILL NEVER NOT TRY TO KEEP US BELIEVING THE WORLD IS FLAT BECASUE THE MIND IS NOT WORTHY OF ANY THING BUT COMMITING SIN AS THEY DEFIND S-I-N...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
(ROTFLMAO) AS I LOOK FORWARD TO HARRY AND ROBERT'S REOIGIOUS VERSION'S DENIAL, REDIRECTING THIS BLOG'S THEME AWAY FROM MANKIND'S OBJECTIVE TRAVELS AND ON TO THEIR CREATOR'S SUBJECTIVE VERSION OF IT...(FROM THE SAME NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC MAGAZINE'S 125 ANNIVERSARY)...
IN FACT THE POLYNESESIAN'S SPREAD ACROSS THE PACIFIC REPRESENTS ONE OF THE ODDEST OF TH EMOVEMENTS THAT TOOK MODERN HOMO SAPIENS OUT OF AFRICAN HOMELAND AND AROUD THE GLOBE. IT BEGAN AS THE FIRST AND ONE O F THE FASTEST, SLOWED TO A HALT, AND THEN FINISHED IN A RECOR SPRINT.
THEIR JOURNEY BEGAN ABOUT 60,000 YEARS AGO, THIS MAP HAS ALREADY BEEN SHOWN ...BUT NOW THEY ARE TRACING MAN'S TRAVELS BY TRACKING THE GENE POOLS HOW FACINATING, AND NEW TO THE INFO POOLS IN MANKIND'S NEED TO SEE WHAT IS OVER THE NEXT HILL...
TH E MIND IS A TERRIBLE TING TO WASTE, BUT FOR THE HARRYS AND ROBERTS YOU HAVE THE PREFECT RIGHTS TO CONTINUE TO TRY AND DO SO.LOL!!!...(S-M-I-L-E)
AND, CONTINUE THEY DO IN THEIR WASTE OF THE MIND IS THEIR PERSOANL GOALS...NOW MAYBE THE THEME OF THIS POST CAN GET SOME PLACE WHILE THESE TWO DECIDE HOW TO DEFINE EACHOTHER'S 'CREATOR' AS MISGUIDED FOR HAVING THEM EXCHANGE RESPECTFUL WORDS WITH EACH OTHER...
BUT THEN, 'DESPERATE PEOPLE DO DESPERATE THINGS' (S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
NOW TO WIPE BOTH ROBERT'S AND HARRY'S CREATOR'S BELIEFS ON THE WORLD IS STILL FLAT IS THE WORDS CHATEL SLAVES IS WHY AMERICA'S 'SLAVERY' IS UNIQUE ON PLANET EARTH...WE WERE NOT HUMANS BUT PROPERTY AND MANY WERE NOT STOLEN BUT WERE ON THE SHORES OF AFRICA TO BE RESOLD TO WHITE SLAVE TRADERS BY BLACK SLAVE TRADERS...OR "I" SHALL ONCE AGAIN ASK YOU TO REPLACE YOUR RELIGIOUS SUBJECTIVE THINKINGS WITH EVERY DAY COMMON SENSE THINKINSG BY ONCE AGAIN BRINING THIS F-A-C-T UP TO YOU A-L-L...
HOW CAN MAN NOT BE ABLE TO TRAVEL DEEP INTO THE AFRICAN JUNGLES VIA MODERN DAY VEHICLS BUT THEY COULD DO SO ON HORSE BACK WAY BACK WHEN?!? (N...U...P!!!)...
@ROBERT, "I" CAN NOT FAIL TO NOTICE YOU CALL THE PERSIAN EMPIRE EVERY THING YU POSIABLELY CAN BUT "PERSIAN EMPIRE"...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...'PROPERTY...OBJECTS...JUST LIKE ROBERT SEE THE FEMALE AND HARRY SEE THE BLACK RACE...TO SERVE AT THEIR PRIVATE PLEASURES...
WHOW!!!!!!!...BOY THAT ONE DID NOT TAKE LONG.LOL!!!...
NO, "I" AM NOT A PROPHET...IT ALL COMES FROM OVER 50 YEARS + IN STUDYING WHAT NATIONAL NAACP CALLS 'PATTERNS OF BEHAVIOR' (S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
NO DISRESPECT TO THE CHRISTIAN FAITHS AS "I" AM ONLY ABOUT OBJECTIVE PROOFS/ FACTS...BUT, NONE OF THESE PEOPLES OUT THERE TRAVELING ALL OVER PLANET EARTH WERE HAMPERED BY THE BIBLES NEEDS TO KILL AND TORTURE (AND THE HARRYS AND ROBERTS PUTING LIMITATIONS ON TH ENATURAL BRAINS WORKS)...
WITH THE WORLD IS FLAT...
THANK G-O-D, ALLAH, BUDDHA ECT. FOR THIS AND THE ANTIS THAT RESISTED YOU YESTERDAY AND TODAY AND TOMORROW ON THIS...example, WHEN I WAS A CHILD, WE BELIEVED THE MAN IN THE MOON AND HEAVEN WAS UP THERE IN THE SKYS WE SAW AND NOW WE HAVE GONE TO THE MOON AND NOW SAY, "THE UNIVERSE IS UP THERE". (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...IT IS AN ABSOLUT SHAME HOW WE HAVE TURNED RELIGIONS INTO A WEAPON IN A RACE TO SEE IF MANKIND WILL KILLITS SELF OFF FIRST OR WILL KILL OFF EARTH AND MAN MUST GO UP WITH THE DISTRUCTION OF OUR PLANET, BEFORE WE CAN FIND ANOTHER ONE TO DISTROY!!!!!!!!!!! (N.................U...................P)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
AS LONG AS HARRY INSIST ON ELEMINATING THE WORD AFRICA WHEN IT IS THAT ALL HUMANS COME ORIGIANLLY FROM AFRICA WHICH MEANS HE MUST IN ORDER TO ELEMINATE AFRICA HE MUST NO RECOGNIZE THE HUMAN SPECIES THEN HE SHOULD STOP SAYING HE IS GOD ONLY SOME OF THE TIME BUT ALLOF THE TIMEA ND IT WILL ALLOW ALL TO KNOW HOW WHY HE IS THE F-I-R-S-T OF H-I-S KIND AS BEING T-R-U-E AND FACTUAL. LOL!!! ...
OOPS, BUT THERE IS STILL ROBERT...(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
POOR HARRY, HIS GOD INSPIRED HIM TO BUILD A NATION AND HE HAS LEARNED SO MUCH FROM ME HE EVEN WENT TO LIVE IN MY HOME STATE...NOW THAT IS SOME KIND OF FOLLOWING WHAT HIS GOD TOLD HIM TO DO LIKE MOSES AND HE GOT IT ALL MIXED UP SO NOW HE SI TRYING TO TELL US SOMETHNG THE HAS BEEN KNOW FOR NOW ABOUT WHAT, 500 YEARS?!?...
HARRY YOU ARE LESS AN ASS IF YOU JUST STICK WIT NAME CALLINGS ...AND, NO I AM NOT SAYING I AM A KNOW IT ALL...i JUST KNOWMY WRITTINGS AND HOW YOU COPY IT ALL THE TIME FROM USING WORDS LIKE 'RATIONAL, LOGIC,BREEDINGS ECT. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...THE STATE OF MARYLAND WAS TURNED INTO A 'BREEDING ' GROUND WHEN ENGLAND STOPED THE SLAVE SHIPS FROM AFRICA. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@DAVID,LOL!!!..."I" BELIEVE OUR PRESIDENT SENT YOU A MESSAGE OF THANKS FOR THIS BLOG TODAY...
AND, HOW DID HE DO THIS ONE MAY SAY? WELLHE NOW WILL BE FORCED TO COME UP WITH THE HARRYS AND ROBERTS TRYING TO SAVE FACE BY DEMANDING HE NOT BE THE ROLE MODEL FOR HIS SAYING WE MUST COME OUT OF THE DARK AGES VIA SCIENCE...HIS PROGRAM ABOUT LEARNING HOW THE MIND WORKS AND IT RELATIONSHIP TO OUR GENETIC MAKE UP TO GUESS WHAT, TO SURVIVE???...PEOPLE WITH ILLNESS ARE NOT LESS THEN EITHER...THER IS A REASON FO REVERY THING...
THE MIND IS STILLUNKNOWN ON HOW IT WORKS, BUT WE DO KNOW IT SPEAKS TO THE BODY AND THE BODY RESPONDS ALL ON AUTOMATIC AND WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT MOST OF THE TIME WHEN WE GET INTO A FIGHT OR FLIGHT FORM...I FIND THE MOST FACINATING WAY WE GO INTO A FOMR OF HIBERNATION WHEN WE LAND IN COLD FREEZING WATERS OR CONDITIONS AND ALL TO KEEPOUR VITAL ORGANS LIKE HEART, LUNGS WORKING.
THE HARRYS AND ROBERTS HAVE STOOD IN TH E WAY OF OUR PROGRESS BY HELPING US TO WASTE OUR MINDS FOR FOR TOO LONG! (NUP/ SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@DOC, I DO BELIEVE YOUR QUESTION T HARRY HAS HIM OVER ON CURTIS' POST WIT HIS WOLE CONCEPT OF BLACK AMERICA FOLLOWERS AS NO LONGER NEEDED AS IT IS TE PROPHET'S WORDS AS THE ONLY THING NEEDE AND POOR ROBERT HAS CONFESSED HE STILL FOLLOWS FARAKHAN HE IS ONLY SEEKING HELP TO OVER THROW HIM SO HE CAN TAKE OVER THE NOI...AN OLD SAYING IS, "KNOW THE LI E YOU TOLD AND WHO YOU TOLD THAT LIE TO." AND YOU WILL OT GET TRIPED UP LIKE HARRY AND ROBERT JUST DID.LOL!!!...
A LITTLE 'CHANGE OR GO EXTINCE ON BIA, MAYBE?!? (ROTFL) (SMILE)
@STEVE, HUMAN SACRIFICE BACK THEN OR NOW???REMEMBER WE STILLHAVE THE DEATH BY JURY DECISSIONS IN MANY STATES AND WE ALL KNOW WHO WALKS YOU YOUR LAST MILE TO THE DEATH CHAMBER...
IN MANY RELIGIONS WE STILL CONSUME THE BODY AND BLOOD OF CHRIST AND THINK NOTING OF CANABILISM ANS WILL TKE AN OFFESIVE IF TRUTH IS TOLD IN THE MANNER I JUST DID SO I WILLJUST SAY : THE ANTI-CHRIST JUST SPOKE, 'THE TRUTH'.LOL!!!. (NUP)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@ROBERT, YOU MIGHT WANT TO BE MORE CAREFUL SINCE A FEW TIMES NOW DOC AND STEVE HAVE HAD YOU ADMITING NOT ONLYIS DAVID'S BLOG CORRECT BUT YOU HAVE GOTTEN LOST IN YOUR HABIT OFTRYING TO GET OTHER'S LOST. LOL!!!(SMILE)...
CALLING ON 'SWEETIRMA' SURE IS NOT WORKING AS A FILLER FOR YOU ON THIS BLOG, ROBERT...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
I'm with you David Johnson all the way , but like Harry Watley said so-called "Black Americans" ain't Africans , though Van Sertima is a writer he also knew that the first Americans are the indigenous people here called "Turtle Island" aka the Americas... when in fact north America is believe to be Turtle Island , but nevertheless yes there is lot of African present in the north America , but the only earliest date still around is 1311 A.D. of the Malians coming here trading , but they were not the mound builders and nowhere in documents the Olmecs says they came from anywhere , that's assumption that they maybe Africans , but this is still a good post and keep in mind *African Americans Ain't African* unless you jus' got here in the last 50 years ago then yes , but not those before the Malians from west Africa. Peace
Monday, July 4th 2016 at 2:28PM
Michael hampton
We Came Before Columbus: Who Really Discovered the Americas
