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I said I was going to do it.....

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Lincoln – “there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will for ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality.”



Thomas Jefferson on whites and blacks living together peacefully?
It will probably be asked, why not retain and incorporate the blacks into the State, and thus save the expense of supplying by importation of white settlers, the vacancies they will leave? Deep-rooted prejudices entertained by the whites; ten thousand recollections, by the blacks, of the injuries they have sustained; new provocations; the real distinctions which nature has made; and many other circumstances will divide us into parties, and produce convulsions, which will probably never end but in the extermination of the one or the other race.
Notes on Virginia, 1782, 5822

Abraham Lincoln was thinking of sending blacks back to Africa after they were freed. He thought blacks and whites could not live together peacefully in the same society if they were both free and equal. Whites saw free blacks as troublemakers. Slave owners favoured the creation of Liberia as a place to send them.

It was not just whites who have pushed this idea. Black nationalists too, like Marcus Garvey, have wanted to set up a separate black nation, either in North America or in Africa itself.

Even today many whites see blacks as a drain on society: America has sent millions of blacks to prison in unheard-of numbers while spending billions in taxes to support a pathological black underclass – or so the Republicans tell it.

Yet without blacks, America:

1.Would be poorer – it got rich in part on the backs of black slaves and, later, through cheap black labour. This has helped to underwrite both industrialization and white middle-class comfort.
2.It would have far fewer people – it would be thinly populated like Canada or Australia. It would probably have only half as many people: without slave labour the country would have grown much more slowly.
3.It would be a weaker country – because it would be both smaller and poorer. And more divided:
4.There would be no melting pot – the main division in American society would no longer be race but class, religion and ethnicity. There would be no Them against which to create a common White American identity. Oddly, society would be more divided not less.
5.There would neither be rock music nor pizza – the music, language, food and fashion would be different. Not only because there would be no black culture to affect the mainstream but also because there would be no melting pot through which ethnic white cultures could affect it too. American mainstream culture would not just be less black, but, for example, less Jewish too. It would be much Waspier and have worse food and worse music.
6.Society would be more unjust, its people less free and equal – because America would have never been forced to live up to its liberal values of freedom and equality like it has. There would have been no civil war or civil rights movement. Equal rights even among white men might not have been achieved, much less any thought of equal rights for women, gays and so on. Think Northern Ireland writ large.


Ellison says of blacks in America:

They are an American people who are geared to what is, and who yet are driven by a sense of what it is possible for human life to be in this society. The nation could not survive being deprived of their presence because, by the irony implicit in the dynamics of American democracy, they symbolize both its most stringent testing and the possibility of its greatest human freedom.




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Posted By: Cynthia Merrill Artis
Wednesday, May 8th 2013 at 11:50AM
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Let's Discuss not Debate...

But I am interested in both views....

Personally, I grew up in New York around the richness of different cultures....
As a young adult, I faced the cruel world of racisim in the south..

As a military spouse I encounterd an array of diverse cultures, traditions, religions and celebrations...

What I have experienced in life has also enriched with me friends whom are Vietnamanese, Russian, Haitians, Africans, German, Korean, Italian, ..... biracial....


Wednesday, May 8th 2013 at 12:21PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
I don't know if "we" can ever life together in peace; however, I do believe that there are certain classes of people whom can live peacefully together...

First because I know how "society" may see me...
BUT.... I know my very own self worth....
I know that I have been racially discriminated against...

BUT I also know that I have met a couple of very close friends whom one happens to be white and the other Vietnamese....
Their families and families have had a closeness that still thrives after 15 years. I know for certain that I can trust them... BUT Rely on no one but my family, my Higher Power and my own self worth.

I possess strong morals and values when it comes to relationships wheter personal, interpersonal or just cyberpersonal.... I have met some funky African Americans.... and some cool white folks...
Wednesday, May 8th 2013 at 1:25PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
My short answer is yes, it is possible for all Americans of all descents to live together peacefully.

Many Americans have made that possibility a personal reality. Others haven't got there yet, but it still remains a possibility that they will come around.

I have always found that statement by Jefferson insightful. Not that his solution was correct, but his observation of "Deep-rooted prejudices entertained by the whites; ten thousand recollections, by the blacks, of the injuries they have sustained; new provocations..."

He foresaw that the injustices already then committed would continue to fester, and they have up until the present day. But the situation has improved, though we have much further to go.

It's up to us who want justice to continue to work for the cause of justice.

I've proposed to the Son of Man, for a topic of discussion at our meeting tonight, Psalm 82.

1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.

3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.

4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.

5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

Wednesday, May 8th 2013 at 2:50PM
Steve Williams
Steve... Thank You....

Again, I so believe that we all have a uniqueness which can be complementary for some
not towards....

I have not experienced the ISMS of my ancestors, but I have encountered not only against my race but also as a status of female.
As you know, I work within a Predominatly Male Company... of course most caucasians...
on the low low.... like to flirt and say things that are sometimes s*xual oriented... and chauvenistic.... BUT, I always hold my own...

I feel that first, the African American family is going to have to do a better job within it's own confines; invest more into their family, moral and spiritual beliefs... and most importantly.... Self Knowledge and Self Discoveries within our racial culture.

I don't believe as Harry says... "she wants to be jewish/arab/african....."

the First Rule of Survial.... Simply means that "we" have to understand what is it that we are surviving for....

No white man/woman can tell me about my blackness...
No white man/woman can understand my blackness....

No MAN tells me how i should think or feel as a Woman!

and I have what is called a conscious... and I am conscious of whos for me and whos against me.....


Wednesday, May 8th 2013 at 3:12PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Hello Cynthia,

Yes let’s discuss and not debate so let me tell you what is happening to you and then multiply it by 41 million Black Americans because the same thing is happening to them as well.

You are reaching out with both hands stretched out to heaven seeking God’s help. Dr. King’s protesting was a form of reaching out for God’s help as well. The spirit of these feelings has been circulating through us from one generation to the next generation for the past 500 years. We want to be completely free.

We are at the point that after 500 years our cries have reached God’s ears because God have said to us I’ve heard the cry of my people since we have produced a man worthy of God’s anointing and so God anointed us a prophet as God did when the cries of the Children of Israel had reached the ears of God if you will.

Cynthia, we don’t want justice because there is something else greater than justice that we want. We don’t want peace either because there is something greater than peace that we want.

What we want can only come from God. We want to be a sovereign people in a country of our very own. We want the attention of God. We our own prophet. We want our own religion. We want our own country.

These are the things that are right for a new race of people to have and we are on our way of having them and we will have them before God calls me home.


We don’t need to any farther to go as Steve suggested.

Thursday, May 9th 2013 at 8:54AM
Harry Watley

Sorry I missed this beautiful blog in 2013?

all Americans live together under the Governance of President Baraaka Hussein Obama and the Laws of the United States of America

but

-- the colorIdentifiers are of the racistlyIgnorant Past and cannot live together as they think they a different

they MUST live together Peacefully or fall under the Justice of Attorney General Eric Holder

ALL Americans should Vote in 2014 for Help in Congress for President Baraaka Hussein Obama

ps.
Lincoln could have said– “there is a physical difference between Americans --- some are good looking others not--- which I believe will for ever forbid the two living together on terms of social and political equality.”




Sunday, May 11th 2014 at 12:48PM
powell robert
I forgot about this myself. ..
Tuesday, May 13th 2014 at 12:37AM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Then you don't think that Black Americans should have our own country, prophet and religion like White America has, am i right.
Tuesday, May 13th 2014 at 7:10AM
Harry Watley

There are no such things as 'blackAmericans' in a secular democratic state

'blackAmericans' is of racistlyIgnorant paganChristian preObama America

and of course as a constitutional Genius, Our President Baraaka Hussein Obama would tell you a secular democratic state SEPARATES religion from GOVERNANCE of the Sovereign USA......


Tuesday, May 13th 2014 at 8:10AM
powell robert
Hello Cynthia,

You are still as stupid as you were when we last communicated.

The answer to your question is that Black Americans wants our own country and religion.

We want what God gave to the Children of Israel when they came out of bondage and slavery.

Wednesday, May 14th 2014 at 12:16AM
Harry Watley

The Children of Israel when they came out of bondage and slavery GOT, the Way of Life that the Creator of Adaam(as) gave to Adaam(as) and the Family of Adaam(as)----Monotheism

For harry and all the other racistlyIgnorant bondage and slaverISTS of slaverAmericana 1492-1864(1964) got, they got exactly want they believed----the paganChristian racist Belief of polytheism --- father/son/holyGHOST, got/god/gawd

All of those racistlyIgnorant bondage and slaverISTS of slaverAmericana 1492-1864(1964) SHOULD get in 2014 the Opportunity of the Children of Israel, the Way of Life that the Creator had intended for Adaam(as) and all The Family of Adaam(as) --- whether they be of articAncestry, ituriForest Ancestry all over the EARTH......


Wednesday, May 14th 2014 at 7:57AM
powell robert

my apologies Cynthia, I was responding on this beautiful blog for the sake of sweetIrma

but I dragged in the selfProfessed Nasty writing 68 IQ RETARDANT

harry,

this is Cynthia's BLOG,

do show SOME respect and do not RETARD, her blog with your VILE, DECADENT, negroidFILTHY language.....

NO --- 68 IQ NUT,

the Children of Israel were just LIKE the 500 YEAR bondage and slavery African in America---

of a paganBelief for the children of Israel slaves----- it was PHAROAHNISM

for the African 500 YEAR bondage and slavery it was paganChristianity..........

The Children of Israel COULD NOT BE THEMSELVES------

The Children of African COULD NOT BE THEMSELVES----

Musa(as) was the same as paganPharoah, PASSED as HIS SON!

can YOU "blackRetardant"----pass for George Washingtons SON?

You KNOW absolutely NOTHING about History, Scholarship or Science

You cannot even be the profhat of the ants in your yard..........

STOP your foolishness............


Wednesday, May 14th 2014 at 8:35PM
powell robert
Robert thanks... and no worries. . Harry.. go to bed. I missed your sermons too... Although I don't agree with a man whose "touched"
Thursday, May 15th 2014 at 12:10AM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Cynthia, you said “Abraham Lincoln was thinking of sending Blacks back to Africa after they were freed.” I think he thought again when he realized that from all the knowledge Blacks had learned in America, they could easily build better homes and develop machinery to help every African nations mass produce products, feeding not only its poor but other nations during times of famine.
You never want the people you enslaved to be in competition as a superpower!(lol)
Thursday, May 15th 2014 at 12:42AM
Helen Lofton
Stupid-ass Cynthia,

Weren’t you the ignorant woman that told me that we Black Americans are the same African people that got off the slave ships?

If you can’t see that Black Americans are a NEW race of people it doesn’t mean that others a blind; it means that you are blind.

Don’t concern yourself if I am touched. Concern yourself if what I am saying is touched stupid woman!
I said that the Jewish Jesus is nothing to Black Americans because Jesus and Black Americans are racially different. Am I wrong to say that?

Thursday, May 15th 2014 at 7:21AM
Harry Watley
Helen,

Since we are a stupid race of people here what makes you think we will be so much smarter people in Africa?

Helen, you are stupid. Black Americans need a solid foundation as a people with divine leadership with our own Black American prophet and our own religion in our own country to a real people and only God can do these things for us.

Thursday, May 15th 2014 at 7:26AM
Harry Watley
Robert,

Your stupid-ass need to act on your newly found knowledge that since prophets is racially different the Arab Mohammed and the religion Islam is wrong for you because you are not an Arab man.

I am your prophet, Robert!

Thursday, May 15th 2014 at 7:30AM
Harry Watley

answer a question from above, OH 68IQ retardant one

can YOU "blackRetardant"----pass for George Washingtons SON?

You KNOW absolutely NOTHING about History, Scholarship or Science

You cannot even be the profhat of the ants in your yard..........

STOP your foolishness............

Thursday, May 15th 2014 at 8:07AM
powell robert
Helen.... lol...

Robert. ... you're humor is medicine for me.... thand you....

Harry... you still a buffoon! I have told you many times before. .. you need another health care provider. ... He is not prescribing the proper meds. I simply cannot entertain craziness. ... Please preach on another blog you olé Jack azz!
Thursday, May 15th 2014 at 7:04PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Cynthia,

In all the time I knew you you have always criticizing me and I am not interest in go back and forth like this. I love intelligence.

Thursday, May 15th 2014 at 9:03PM
Harry Watley

you selfProfessed 68 IQ Retardant harry

----RETARD intelligence of All known Societies' History, Scholarship and Science since the dawn of Humankind


Friday, May 16th 2014 at 8:12AM
powell robert
Robert,

What you need to do is settle up with yourself since you know now that prophets are racially different you are out of order to be following the Arab prophet and not your own Prophet Harry.

You are stupid! If it was me I would have been intelligent enough to have already made the change from Mohammed to Prophet Harry.

The revelation that prophets are racially different and what is means can never be erased. I am the only in mankind that said the prophets are racially different and what it means. This revelation is my signature marking that I am a real prophet.

Friday, May 16th 2014 at 9:30AM
Harry Watley

I may NOT know much based on your selfProfessed 68 IQ retardant Mind.....

but I do know that you are in need of a mental health professional.................


Friday, May 16th 2014 at 6:58PM
powell robert
Harry I know you love intelligence that's why you are on my blog. I find your prophesying odd ... and crazy... I only deal with your craziness. .. because I never know what bafoolishness.... is going to come out your sick mind..... I am a strong believer in God and Jesus... that's what I know.... that's who I worship and praise. ...


Robert. ... Please continue to enlighten our poor crazy lost brother. ... he's touched..hes. drinking to much of that wine .....
Friday, May 16th 2014 at 10:56PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Harry, you need an audience! You should go and get a patent on your phrase saying you are the only one in mankind that has said prophets are racially different, or write a book about it. They probably can trace your family tree back to the first slave ship,the Good Ship Jesus(lol).
Friday, May 16th 2014 at 11:59PM
Helen Lofton
Hello Cynthia,

You say that you are a strong believer in God and Jesus... that's what I know.... that's who I worship and praise. ...

You don’t know God. You think you know God. The only you can know God would be through your prophet and that prophet must be the same race as you are Cynthia; a Black American woman.

You have this attitude that you can’t be fooled; that you have it right about God. You need to ask yourself how you know you right to believe in the Jewish Jesus and you are not a Jewish woman. How do you square that racial different between Jesus and you? You can’t square it because it is unnatural to have cress crossing racial lines.

Saturday, May 17th 2014 at 1:49AM
Harry Watley
Helen,

I told you that you are a very stupid woman. What fuels your stupidity is that you think you are smart, but you are just as dumb as you could ever be. What compels me to say this is because you are always trying to guide me?

No, I don’t need any of the things you say I need!

Now, a question for you Helen. Is it true that I am the only one in mankind that ever said that prophets are racially different?

Saturday, May 17th 2014 at 1:58AM
Harry Watley

Can African Americans and European Americans Live Together Peacefully?

"As the American identity changes we will be there to report it. In America is a venue for creative and timely sharing of news that explores who we are."

How beautiful and thoughtful a statement by Dr. Artis, thank you again.......

harry, that is the SUBJECT presented by Medical Professional Dr. Artis

and it does not mention COLORS of the Family of Adaam(as) in its title

African Americans and European Americans can surely say that NO peace was achieved during the Recorded Historical slaverAmericana 1492-1864

AND that from 1864-1964 little Peace if any....still a period of simple COLORED separation of Americans

1970-2008 a measure of civil peace WAS established........MORE colors

and

2008 gave America a SON of African Muslim Father(predominant belief of Africa) and, a European Mother(predominant belief of Europe) as the Sovereign Leader of the United States of America

Our President asked ALL of America to CHANGE!

Our President Baraaka Hussein Obama has shown us that LAWS should be respected and enforced for continued Peace and a CHANGE from the racistlyIgnorant COLORED American Past.

No Peace is Defined as the American COLORED period and I believe that the Peace of the Creator of Mankind of Adaam(as) will be achieved in a COLORED free American Period.......

Of course---I know that there is History, Scholarship and Science of all of the Family of Adaam(as) be they
African, Asian, Native, European----can have a History and future of Peaceful Way of Life without COLORS

and those that may be mentallyChallenged can contact Medical Professionals like Dr. Artis, jeniFad for Help




Saturday, May 17th 2014 at 11:10AM
powell robert
Thanks brotha Rob.....
Tuesday, May 20th 2014 at 10:05PM
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