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2 KINGS 19 & ISAIAH 37: WORD FOR WORD DUPLICATION IN THE BIBLE! (5315 hits)


2 Kings 19: New King James Version (NKJV) - Isaiah Assures Deliverance

19 And so it was, when King Hezekiah heard it, that he tore his clothes, covered himself with sackcloth, and went into the house of the Lord. 2 Then he sent Eliakim, who was over the household, Shebna the scribe, and the elders of the priests, covered with sackcloth, to Isaiah the prophet, the son of Amoz. 3 And they said to him, “Thus says Hezekiah: ‘This day is a day of trouble, and rebuke, and blasphemy; for the children have come to birth, but there is no strength to bring them forth. 4 It may be that the Lord your God will hear all the words of the Rabshakeh, whom his master the king of Assyria has sent to reproach the living God, and will rebuke the words which the Lord your God has heard. Therefore lift up your prayer for the remnant that is left.’”

5 So the servants of King Hezekiah came to Isaiah. 6 And Isaiah said to them, “Thus you shall say to your master, ‘Thus says the Lord: “Do not be afraid of the words which you have heard, with which the servants of the king of Assyria have blasphemed Me. 7 Surely I will send a spirit upon him, and he shall hear a rumor and return to his own land; and I will cause him to fall by the sword in his own land.”’”

Isaiah 37: New King James Version (NKJV) - Isaiah Assures Deliverance

37 And so it was, when King Hezekiah heard it, that he tore his clothes, covered himself with sackcloth, and went into the house of the Lord. 2 Then he sent Eliakim, who was over the household, Shebna the scribe, and the elders of the priests, covered with sackcloth, to Isaiah the prophet, the son of Amoz. 3 And they said to him, “Thus says Hezekiah: ‘This day is a day of trouble and rebuke and blasphemy; for the children have come to birth, but there is no strength to bring them forth. 4 It may be that the Lord your God will hear the words of the Rabshakeh, whom his master the king of Assyria has sent to reproach the living God, and will rebuke the words which the Lord your God has heard. Therefore lift up your prayer for the remnant that is left.’”

5 So the servants of King Hezekiah came to Isaiah. 6 And Isaiah said to them, “Thus you shall say to your master, ‘Thus says the Lord: “Do not be afraid of the words which you have heard, with which the servants of the king of Assyria have blasphemed Me. 7 Surely I will send a spirit upon him, and he shall hear a rumor and return to his own land; and I will cause him to fall by the sword in his own land.”’”
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Two different authors writing two different books a hundred years apart and they are identical. VERBATIM! It throws the credibility aspect out of the window!
Saturday, October 19th 2013 at 1:29PM
Truth B. Told
Hello Mr. Truth,

I am impressed! Your revelation is highly intellectual!

However, since the Bible is not Black America’s religious book this finding does not change the fact that I am Black America’s first genuine prophet and it does not alter the course of our sovereignty in a country of our own. Along the way we will have an opportunity to write our own scriptures.

We will take a lesson from this mishap that our writers don’t get things mixed up.

If you can understand such an error and pointed it out then you understand that because prophets are racially different the Arabian people and Black Americans have nothing in common.

Saturday, October 19th 2013 at 3:48PM
Harry Watley
LOLHAHAHAHAHAHA Getthehellouttaherewiththatbullshyt! You ain't no prophet! You can't even get 1000 people with overactive bladder to follow you to the bathroom!
Saturday, October 19th 2013 at 4:40PM
Truth B. Told
Mr. Truth,

The primary objective of a prophet is to give revelations and tell the truth that no one else has told.

For instance, I said that prophets are racially different. No one else has ever said this, no even Elijah Muhammad or Dr. King.

No one has ever said that Black Americans are a new race of people born out of the ashes of plantation slavery 500 years ago, but me. Every one else thinks we came from Africa.

These are things only our prophet would say.

So, the primary objective of all prophets is to give revelations and tell the truth. It is by telling the truth that makes true followers. Everything I’ve said is the truth. None of you have come right out and showed that I lied about something, not even you.

You showed great skill to point the error in the Bible of the same scripture in 2 Kings and Isaiah 37. Well, I am challenging you to show where I have told a lie. Even when I say I am Black America’s first genuine prophet that is the truth and you all are going to come to see so with your own eyes since you can see it now using your brains and reasoning skills.

Saturday, October 19th 2013 at 6:17PM
Harry Watley
What about symbolism found in the Bible being used in Tarot cards? Isn't that peculiar?
Sunday, October 20th 2013 at 8:45PM
Helen Lofton
Ms. Helen,

The subject matter of the blog is about the same verse exact verse in 2 Kings and Isaiah 37 and 2 Kings time era is separated by hundreds of years.

Let’s talk about that before we change to something else. Please give your opinion on the subject matter of Mr. Truth blog.

Aren’t you a Christian?

Sunday, October 20th 2013 at 10:55PM
Harry Watley
That’s funny but not suppressing seems like god can’t stop inspiring these people to edit revise this book they call the bible which they claim to be the word of God
Monday, October 21st 2013 at 3:53PM
Sylvainy R
The author of 2 Kings is disputed by some scholars, but know this; The books were written more than 100 years apart. They were not written by the same person.

I've heard people say that this duplication is understandable since it is the inspired word of God. However, "inspired" and "verbatim" do not mean the same thing.

Example: If two men attended the same class at Yale in the same year, with the same professor, and were given the same assignment, would the professor excuse their thesis as "like inspired" if they were 100% word-for-word verbatim, or would someone be accused of plagiarism?

It would be the same as you writing "The Age of Reason" today, without having read the book, and having it come out EXACTLY word-for-word as Thomas Paine's book.
Thursday, October 24th 2013 at 12:45PM
Siebra Muhammad
Siebra,

As your first genuine prophet let me warn you that the person you are hurting is yourself. Let me explain myself.

Your analytical reasoning about 2King and Isaiah I could not have done any better. You did fine.

For instance, you said that inspired and verbatim do not mean the same thing. They say that the Bible is the inspired Word of God. But, when you fine two verbatim chapters in two different books of events that happened hundreds of years apart it just doesn’t add up in the world of sense, reasoning and being analytical.

Let me include this, I am not condemning the Bible. I am expressing how well you used reasoning to separate what is suspicious.

Now, I want to put this aside for now and turn to how you turn off this good brain-work reasoning of your when it comes to knowing that you are wrong to accept Islam over your own religion LIFE, accepting Mohammed over me, Prophet Harry, accepting the Quran over your own book and you are not an Arab woman.

When you refuse to reason right the person you hurt is yourself and everyone around you how means a lot to you.

After I have revealed these revelations to you showing you that you must give up Islam you have chosen to deliberately out of your angry to put good reason aside and continue to go the wrong way out of spite for me because I am your prophet.

Well, the only people you are hurting is yourself and all Black Americans.

I am the way and the only way for all Black Americans!

Thursday, October 24th 2013 at 7:44PM
Harry Watley
NO, YOU'RE NOT!
Friday, October 25th 2013 at 1:29PM
Siebra Muhammad
Siebra,

Let’s face it! You are personally angry with me for making it plain to you that you can’t have Islam and Prophet Mohammed because of the racial differences.

How can I not be the way for our 41 million people since I am the one that opened your eyes to the divine revelation that prophets are racially different and therefore, our prophet must be a Black American as we are?

You have not come to realize yet how powerful and absolute my revelation is because it forces you to see that the Arabian people is nothing to you and that Elijah and Mr. Farrakhan are wrong and has always been wrong claiming the Islamic religion and both of them are not Arabian men.

So, since you can’t do anything to the message because the message is true you beat-up on the massager am I right.

Siebra I am really a prophet! How else would I know that prophets are racially different if God didn’t communicate it to me? I also said that we are a new race of people and that is true as well and that is true. How else would I know that if God didn’t show it to me?

Those are two powerful revelations that will soon bring Mr. Farrakhan down!

Don’t you want the truth? Don’t you want us to be sovereign free? Don’t you want us to have a country of our own? Don’t you want your own religion? Don’t you want your own Black American prophet? Don’t you want our own Bible?

No one could tell you the things I’ve said if I wasn’t our prophet.

Friday, October 25th 2013 at 4:43PM
Harry Watley
How many followers did Elijah Muhammed have at your age Harry? You've got zip.
Saturday, October 26th 2013 at 12:59AM
Steve Williams
Steve,

Truth will stand with out the support of followers. Your responsibility is to prove that I am wrong since you and I are racially different. On the hand, my responsibility is to prove that Siebra, Elijah and Mr. Farrakhan are wrong since Siebra and I are the same race. I am Mr. Farrakhan and Siebra’s prophet. I am not your prophet since you and I are racially different.

I am more interested in Siebra’s responds.

Saturday, October 26th 2013 at 9:48AM
Harry Watley
I am more interested in Siebra's responds too.
Saturday, October 26th 2013 at 1:51PM
Steve Williams
It would seem that one writer is sharing history written by another. No quotation marks, but then they didn't use other kinds of punction, either (for the most part).
Saturday, October 26th 2013 at 2:42PM
Curtis Tilleraas
Steve,

Good! Then stop asking me stupid questions.

Saturday, October 26th 2013 at 2:43PM
Harry Watley
Mr. Curtis,

Your reasoning is irrational. The first author 2 Kings 19 wasn’t sharing since it was written before Isisah 37. Isisah 37 could not be sharing either since the incident in question happen 100 years prior.

Don’t you see something is wrong since Isisah 37 is written verbatim to 2 Kings 19? Sharing is out of the question because the verbatim nature. You are not reasoning well Mr. Cutis.

Saturday, October 26th 2013 at 2:54PM
Harry Watley
I'm not a theologian by any means, however Isaiah 37 and 2 Kings 19 are identical word for word. Yet they have been attributed to two different authors, centuries apart, whom the Christians claim have been inspired by God. The book of Isaiah was written before 2 Kings which most theologians date between 745 and 680 B.C.. So whom is copying whom? Whom is stealing from whom?

Another thing to consider: The 32 renowned Bible scholars of the Revised Standard Version say that the author of the Book of Kings is "Unknown" yet they expect everyone to regard these as the Words of God????
Saturday, October 26th 2013 at 4:51PM
Siebra Muhammad
Siebra,

I applaud you once again. Your reasoning is wonderful, especially when you say, “yet they expect everyone to regard these as the word of God”.

However, Siebra my bone I am picking with you is how it is you don’t show this impressive ability to reason when it comes to you claiming the religion of Islam, but you are not an Arab woman. How it is that you don’t understand that since prophets are racially different your prophet must be a Black American as you are?

It seems to me that when it is convenient you put on your thinking cap and when it is not convenient you turn off your intelligence when you should using your intelligence all the time.

I hate to call you stupid, but you leave me no other choice. It is stupid of you to turn off your intelligence when it comes to yourself.

Saturday, October 26th 2013 at 7:52PM
Harry Watley
Mr. Curtis,

You are making up things and grabbing straws out the air to explain this huge discrepancy in your Christian faith.

That is your personal discrepancy to deal with since you are White and Christianity is the European Gentile religion. My position is to show my Black American people that we are not Christians because we are not European Gentiles. The discrepancy does help me in my efforts to save my own Black American people form the White European Gentiles as well as saving us from the Arabian religion of Islam.

Sunday, October 27th 2013 at 2:57AM
Harry Watley
Harry how can you call yourself anybody's prophet or messenger when you are not mentally qualified to perfect that in which YOU HAVEN'T BEEN MENTALLY TRAINED TO PERFECT?

Tell me what you think.
Sunday, October 27th 2013 at 2:25PM
Truth B. Told
ROTFLMAO!!! You ain't never lied about that Truth B. Told!!!
Sunday, October 27th 2013 at 2:28PM
Siebra Muhammad
Psalm 53 is (nearly) the same as Psalm 14. However, there are two differences:
1. You will find the word "LORD" 4 times in Psalm 14 and the word "God" 3 times. In Psalm 53, the word "LORD" is nowhere, but "God" appears 7 times.
2. Verse 5 in Psalm 53 is not the same as in Psalm 14. They changed verses 5 and 6 in psalm 14 to verse 5 in Psalm 53.

In Psalm 14, David wrote about Moses bringing the Israelites through the Red Sea. God had saved them from Egypt.

There is an English hymn (or Christian song) that starts "Eternal Father, strong to save". It is a hymn that asks God to give help to sailors. W. Whiting wrote it in 1860. There were no planes in 1860. Since people have traveled by plane, they needed a new hymn. So, someone has written "Eternal Father, strong to save" again. This time it asks God to give help to airmen. We describe the hymn as "rewritten" (or "somebody wrote it again".) This happened to Psalm 14. So, Psalm 14 was "rewritten". It became Psalm 53.



Sunday, October 27th 2013 at 2:36PM
Siebra Muhammad
Mr. Truth,

I am mentally qualified to be our prophet. I gave two revelations that qualified me. I said that prophets are racially different. No one else before me ever said something that big to us.
Elijah never said something like that! Dr. King never said anything like that either.

The second revelation I gave was that we Black Americans are a new race of people born out of the ashes of plantation slavery about 500 years ago. Black Americans are a people that had not existed in the world before plantation slavery in this country.
We a made people when the Whites bred themselves with the first wave of African slaves that after 300 years of breeding a new race of people came into existence which is Black Americans.

These two revelations are huge and right now you all don’t see how big they are. These two revelations kicks the legs from under the Christians and Muslims alike because the Christians know the Jewish Jesus can’t help them because we are not Jewish people and the Muslims know that Islam can’t help them either because we are not Arabian people.

It is a dumb thing for you to say I am not mentally qualified. My mentally training is coming from God. Again, what Black leaders ever said that prophets are racially different? None!
What Black leader ever said that we are a new race of people? None!

Everything I say about us is true and everything I said that is going to happen for us like becoming a sovereign people in a country of our own is going to happen as well.

I am a really prophet and God actually communicates with me that is how I come to know the things I know!

Don’t you see Siebra can’t answer my question that she is wrong to say she is a Muslim when she is actually a Black American woman? Siebra belongs to me and I belong to Siebra and there is no room between Siebra and me for the Arabian people.

Sunday, October 27th 2013 at 3:59PM
Harry Watley
I don't belong to you, I belong to Allah because He wants me and also because I want to be with Him. You are nowhere near a prophet because a TRUE prophet will show good works and speak articulately (Read Galatians 5:22-23 in your Bible.) and you do not do this. All you have done for 4 years and counting is just talk, but have never DONE. You cannot be respected like Elijah Muhammad.

Sunday, October 27th 2013 at 4:30PM
Siebra Muhammad
Hello Siebra,

Of course we belong to each because we are the same race. I know it hurts you badly to know that you and all Black Americans Muslims and Christians alike are wrong. I am the only Black American that is right!

Now, let me psychologically explain based on some of the things you said how stupid you are when it comes to dealing with me.

You said I don't belong to you, I belong to Allah because He wants me and also because I want to be with Him.
You are thinking like a Christian and speaking as a Muslim Arabian woman and you are neither a Christian European Gentile nor are you an Arabian woman.

When you say you belong to Allah psychologically you are saying that you belong to the Arabian people since they are the only race that refers to the Creator as Allah. So, that is thinking like a real Arabian Muslim woman and you are not an Arab woman. In the same breath you are speaking like a European Gentile Christian and you are not a White European woman when to refer to Galatians 5:22-23 in the Bible. You are a very confused Black American woman.

Another thing is that the Arab Muslims don’t refer to the Creator as a HE like the Christian do. You should be referring to the Creator as God because it is the English we speak. The Jews refers to the Creator as Jehovah and if you refer to the Creator as Jehovah psychologically you are saying that you belong to the Jewish people.

This kind of thinking tells me that you don’t have your own way since you use the way of the Arabian and European religious way. You and Mr. Farrakhan are lost.

I have the way for us because God gave it to me about 3 years ago.

You must leave Islam because you can not justify practicing the Arabian religion and you are not an Arab woman. You are a Black American woman and we belong to each other.

Sunday, October 27th 2013 at 5:06PM
Harry Watley
Harry,

The majority of our people are Christians and the Honorable Elijah Muhammad taught us as Muslims to speak the language of the people (Black people in North America)...so when I said "I don't belong to you, I belong to Allah because He wants me and also because I want to be with Him." that is speaking the language of a good Christian but also the language of a great Muslim.

Also Allah refers to Himself in the Quran by saying, "There is nothing whatsoever like unto Him." (Chapter 42:11)

And in Chapter 112 verse 1-4 (one of the first suras memorized by Muslims everywhere) reads, "Say, “The truth is that Allah is One. Allah is Besought of all, needing none. He begot not, nor was He begotten. And like Him has never been any one.""

So if Allah himself is saying this in the Quran how can you say that Muslims (be it Sunni, Shiite, or NOI) don't refer to the Creator as a HE like the Christians do?

Islam is the religion of the Blackman and Blackwoman, Islam is a religion of peace and the religion in the eyes of Allah. Islam was the original religion of the Black African people that was stolen from them by slavery. The original Arabs were Black people, and the Arabian Peninsula is technically part of both Africa and Asia. Asia and Black Africa are separated by the Red Sea. I've shared these facts with you many times before and you fail to "get it". And no, I am not leaving Islam any time soon just because YOU have a problem with it.
Sunday, October 27th 2013 at 7:42PM
Siebra Muhammad
Siebra,

First, let us try to clear up whom we Black Americans are and that we are a different kind of Black than other dark-skinned people through out the world because that is a major part of my message.

We should know that not all black birds are Crow birds. We know that some black birds are Raven birds. So, we can paint all dark-skinned people as Black people because we are not all the same people just because we are all dark-skinned.

You use the terms; Black Africans and Black Arabs. Of course you know that Black Africans and Black Arabs are not Black Americans.

One of the definitions to be a Black American is to be a direct or indirect descendent of plantation slaves am I right.

So, before we move on do you agree with me that we Black Americans are a new race of people unlike Africans and Arabian people? Can you give me that point?



Sunday, October 27th 2013 at 11:50PM
Harry Watley
actually, christianity was in africa long before islam, just as Christianity in the near east and Middle East long before Islam.
Monday, October 28th 2013 at 2:03AM
Curtis Tilleraas
Mr. Curtis,

It is a no brainer that Christianity came before Islam since the Arabian Mohammed came 625 years after the Jewish Jesus.

It is not like the Psalms that some of them the author is unknown. It is history clear that the Jewish Jesus came before the Arab Mohammed.

My IQ is 68 and I deduced that it is common knowledge to every body that Christianity came before Islam that it not something worth mentioning. I am sure your IQ is at least three digits. Use the advantage you have over me and not look so dumb.

So, what point are you trying to make?

Monday, October 28th 2013 at 7:12AM
Harry Watley
Hi Curtis,

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad shared with us that there is no birth record of Islam (meaning it has no beginning nor ending). There are some theologians who believe that Islam began with Quran revelation to Prophet Muhammad in the year 610 AD through year 632 AD, however Islam/Submission is not restricted to the time of the Quran, as the Quran is believed to be God's Final Testament, therefore not one of a completely new religion, but one that confirms and supersedes the previous ones. Elijah Muhammad also shard that Islam is as old as the Sun, Moon, and Stars. So Islam really came by start of universe creation (well before Judaism and Christianity religions).

Another thing to keep in mind is that the Prophet Abraham was the first person to use the term Submitters, or Submission. In Arabic, these mean Muslim and Islam. The Quran repeatedly stresses that Muhammad was "a follower of the religion of Abraham." So by definition, for a person to be called a Muslim/Submitter, they need only to submit their will to God, and God ALONE.

Also "Muslim" is not a specific name for someone who follows a certain religion. Therefore there could be a Muslim Jew (a Jew who has submitted his/her will to God) or a Muslim Christian (a Christian who has submitted his/her will to God) or even a Muslim Muslim.
Therefore, Islam/Submission, was the first, then Judaism, then Christianity.
Monday, October 28th 2013 at 7:49PM
Siebra Muhammad
also for enlightenment of the readers You will notice that the text of II Kings 18:17-37 is nearly identical to that of Isaiah 36:2-22. The II Chronicles 32 account summarizes, but abbreviates some of the account.look at II Chronicles 32 it gives a brief summary of the events of 2 KINGS 19 & ISAIAH 37:

hereis what dont get ISLAM Plagiarism of the Bible
Genesis 1:1-5
Bible:In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.
Genesis 1:1-5 - KJV
Qur'an:
Praise be God, Who created the heavens and the earth, and made the darkness and the light. Yet those who reject Faith hold (others) as equal, with their Guardian-Lord.
Qur'an 6:1
And We appoint the night and the day two portents. Then We make dark the portent of the night, and We make the portent of the day sight-giving, that ye may seek bounty from your Lord, and that ye may know the computation of the years, and the reckoning; and everything have We expounded with a clear expounding.

and the Plagiarism of the Bible goes on and on http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muhammads_Plagia...

this is why I hate all RELIGION '''''''

WHEN I LOOK AT RELIGION I SAY ,,,LEAVE ME ALONE''RELIGION''I WILL TALK TO GOD MYSELF I DONT NEED YOU !





Monday, October 28th 2013 at 10:28PM
DAVID JOHNSON
christian your "son of god" and the bible is all truthful. how do you explain the similarities with other older pagan religions from before the writing of the bible.check out the similarities between jesus christ and the egyptian sun god "horus"
HORUS -Ancient Egypt-3000 bc
born- Dec 25 to a virgin (Isis mary)
his birth was accompanied by a star in the east, and was worshiped by three kings
at 30 he was baptized, could heal the sick and walk on water.
there are other similarities, which where inscribed 3500 years ago and found in luxor, egypt, which also has the virgin birth. this also follows other gods in terms of a birth sequence, including:
attis -greece 1200bc
Krishna - India 900 bc
dionysis - greece 500 bc
mithra -persia 500 bc
Monday, October 28th 2013 at 10:42PM
DAVID JOHNSON
religion sucks !
Monday, October 28th 2013 at 10:45PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Siebra, when I said that Christianity came to Africa well before Islam I was disagreeing with your assertion that it was the other way around. However, when you define islam as submission to the will of Allah, rather than as a religion, then of course I would have to agree with you. The sun, the moon, the stars, all act in submission to the will of God. Your definition, of course, is the one that is used in the Qu'ran where it declares that Jesus was a Muslim, one who submits to the will of Allah. Agreed.
Monday, October 28th 2013 at 11:38PM
Curtis Tilleraas
David, the similarities between Jesus and the pagan gods ends with the birth of Jesus as an actual human being (who was also God). Jesus, unlike Horus, has a history, and there are/were witnesses to his resurrection from the dead. God prepared the way for Jesus to come into the world as a Jew, and as the messiah, but as the messiah for all people, and not just for the Jews. There are no records of hundreds or even thousands of people dying, willingly, to bear witness to what Horus did for them. And for the past 2,000 plus years people have witnessed Jesus Christ, coming to comfort them, to heal some of them, to offer hope to others and all. There is no historical record of Horus or Isis doing any of these things. The gospels speak of the scandal of the gospel, and the scandal is this, that God, who is Spirit, crossed the line from the ideal realm into the actual/physical realm...that God became man, was born, died and was buried. That is scandalous, indeed, and it is foolishness to those who are dying, as the Bible also teaches. But for those who belief it is life, even life everlasting.
Monday, October 28th 2013 at 11:48PM
Curtis Tilleraas
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here are a few FACTS ,,,!!
In the myths of ancient Egypt, Isis and her brother/husband Osiris were the divine rulers of the gods. Overcome by envy and seeking to gain more power and control, her brother Set killed Osiris. Everything Isis does is done with great power and intention. Her grief over the death of her husband was so great that it was said her tears of sorrow caused the Nile to flood. Isis is actually one of a very few deities that have wings in Egyptian mythology, which in her case may represent the wind. In the Osiris legend it is said that Isis wailed and moaned like the wind. These days, we often conceal our grief, and are expected back at work the day after a funeral. We have forgotten how to mourn, how to honor the process of grieving. Isis reminds us that grief is a powerful part of our experience in life and should not be repressed. Grief that is not expressed can eventually become physical illness.

I was reading Religulous (2008), an antireligious diatribe that takes on Islam and Judaism in addition to Christianity, presents a list of parallels between Jesus and ''Horus'', the falcon-headed Egyptian deity identified with the sky and the rule of the pharaohs.Horus supposedly walked on water, was born from a virgin, healed the sick, etc. Horus supposedly had 12 disciples and was crucified, then resurrected three days later.

Isis had a central role in Egyptian magic spells and ritual, especially those of protection and healing. When her son Horus was wounded, she ]]healed]] him with the power of her milk, and that became a standard feature of Isis’s healing spells that invoked the curative powers of the milk of Isis. As a healer, Isis also used spells, a healing rod, and sacred rattles and cymbals. Together with the god Thoth, she taught mankind the secrets of medicine.

As for the crucifixion and resurrection, the party involved wasn’t Horus but Osiris, as per the above. Except Osiris wasn’t crucified — Seth initially had him nailed into a coffin. And he wasn’t really resurrected, just revived long enough to be a sperm donor, after which he died again.

Judeo-Christian tradition borrowed heavily from Egyptian mythology and that the “Jesus-legend” in particular was based on Horus. 269 alleged parallels between the two figures,,, Jesus and Christianity were concocted in Rome based on myths borrowed from Egyptian gnostics.
The entire body of Christian doctrinism is now seen to be nothing but revamped and terribly mutilated Egyptianism. Through the chance stroke of a trench-digger’s pick Christianity is brought to book to face its Nemesis. The heathen parentage that it strove so desperately to deny and the marks of which it so sedulously endeavored to obliterate in the early centuries now rises from the dead past to charge its ungenerous offspring with faithlessness and deceit. And Christianity, as Edward Carpenter so frankly asserts, must now acknowledge its parentage in a pagan past or, failing to do so, must perish.

The ancient Egyptians used a form of picture-writing known as hieroglyphics. Writing from Egyptian times has survived, but until a few centuries ago no one knew what it meant, because no one was able to translate these symbols.

Then in 1799, French soldiers found a slab of stone near the Egyptian town of Rosetta. The stone contained three kinds of writing: Greek, hieroglyphics, and another later form of Egyptian writing known as demotic.

Language experts realized that the three kinds of writing on the stone bore the same message. So they compared the Greek writing with the Egyptian writing, and, piece by piece, they learned how to translate the ancient symbols.

Tuesday, October 29th 2013 at 12:53AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Siebra,

Is it possible in your mind that Elijah Muhammad could be wrong that Islam has no beginning?

You avoid answering questions because my questions shut you down.

I asked you are all Blacks the same Blacks since you lumps all dark-skinned people as Black people and you won’t answer that question. But, you will answer everybody’s questions because other people’s questions are easy to answer.

Since that is the case we are not up-right people looking for or can give the truth.

In addition, let me tell you how and why the word Muslim came into existence. Firstly, the word Muslim is an Arabic word. You can not deny that point! So, we know that the word wasn’t always here floating around in space. We know it came from the Arabian people who spoke Arabia.
The word MUSLIM was invented by Prophet Mohammed when one of his newly converts asks him what we shall call our selves and Mohammed said MUSLIMS. When they asked what does MUSLIM mean Mohammed said a MUSLIM is one who submits his will to God. All before the Arabians were pagans.

Mohammed never intended or thought that other people would take the personally things that belongs to the Arabian people and use it for and on themselves. There are four sacret and personal things that belong to the Arabian people and no other people. The first is Prophet Mohammed. The second is the word Muslim. The third is the religion Islam. And, the fourth is the Quran. These four things are what brought the Arabian people from paganism to the belief in One God.

No one but an Arabian born is a true MUSLIM.

When the Quran say that every body including the Jewish Jesus is a Muslim is the same as the Jews saying that if you are not a Jew then you are a Gentile. That is all that is! The hell with their personal definition.

But, please answer my two question above.

Tuesday, October 29th 2013 at 6:47AM
Harry Watley
David, an unbeliever can find thousands of good reasons not to believe, and 'experts' who can and will happily reinforce your unbelief. But the things of faith cannot be argued with unbelievers because without faith they can never understand. But I can offer to pray for you that the anger and rage you feel against 'religion' will be lifted from you and that you can be at peace as live with and among your fellow human beings (probably most of them have the very thing you detest -- faith). Be at peace, Curt
Tuesday, October 29th 2013 at 10:59AM
Curtis Tilleraas
Harry the reason why I avoid answering the majority of your questions is because most of your discussions are nothing but HOT AIR (in other words you're just talking to hear yourself).

Now you are correct when you said the word Muslim is an Arabic word, the word “Islam” means submission or surrender – however, it was derived from the root word “salam”. From this root word, you can also derive the words peace and safety. Many people feel that Islam implies some sort of enslavement to Allah, but others find it more helpful to define the word “Islam” as surrender. Surrendering to God is a way of putting your life into more capable hands. So, if we look at the word ‘Islam’ in this way, we can understand why obeying Allah’s commands and trusting in Allah’s wisdom could bring about peace for a Muslim.

However, the word MUSLIM was not invented by Prophet Muhammad, it was invented by Allah Himself. For the Holy Quran (Chapter 22 Verse 78) reads:

"And strive in His cause as ye ought to strive, (with sincerity and under discipline). He has chosen you, and has imposed no difficulties on you in religion; it is the cult of your father Abraham. It is He Who has named you Muslims, both before and in this (Revelation); that the Messenger may be a witness for you, and ye be witnesses for mankind! So establish regular Prayer, give regular Charity, and hold fast to Allah! He is your Protector - the Best to protect and the Best to help!"

So Were Believers Really Called Muslims Before the Time of Muhammad? Per historical records, yes! Who is the "YOU" that is being referred to in this verse? The YOU is used in a corporate sense which includes both the past, present and perhaps the future members of a particular religious or secular group.

Therefore, the word Muslim was not invented by Prophet Muhammad, and Prophet Muhammad was not the first Muslim. Adam, Noah, the Patriarchs, the twelve tribes of Israel, Moses, Jesus etc., were all believers and many of them even messengers who lived a long time before Muhammad:

"Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I will create a vicegerent on earth." They said: "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said: "I know what ye know not."… And behold, We said to the angels: "Bow down to Adam" and they bowed down. Not so Iblis: he refused and was haughty: He was of those who reject Faith. We said: "O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) ye will; but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."… When learnt Adam from his Lord words of inspiration, and his Lord Turned towards him; for He is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful." (Chapter 2 Verses 30, 34-35, 37)

Even the disciples of Jesus were called Muslims as well:

"When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said: "Who will be My helpers to (the work of) Allah?" Said the disciples: "We are Allah's helpers: We believe in Allah, and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims. (Chapter 3 Verse 52)

Would that not qualify them as being Muslims and believers even before Muhammad? Even though many of them were not Arabian born people? Certainly, this would make Adam the first believer, the first Muslim, wouldn’t it?

You see Harry, a Muslim is not just limited to one being born in Arabia. A Muslim is one who submits his or her will to Allah, whether they live in Arabia, Africa, America, or any other country on Earth.
Tuesday, October 29th 2013 at 11:13AM
Siebra Muhammad
@ Harry
Ok little boy I’ve come to the conclusion that you are not real but a created computer program that has malfunctioned now I need to find this computer so I can pour some water on the processor so you can stop your annoying behaviour, In my opinion you are a one man army looking for a war or perhaps you are a village the idiot or you are robbing a village of an Idiot give it up Harry and allow others to have an intelligent conversation without you trying to hijack every discourse give it a rest Harry
Tuesday, October 29th 2013 at 6:24PM
Sylvainy R
Siebra,

You admit that Muslim is an Arabic word. Will you also admit that Islam is also an Arabic word?

Tuesday, October 29th 2013 at 9:04PM
Harry Watley
Dummy Soso,

All you do is bad mouth me, but never say what I am wrong about am I right.

Tuesday, October 29th 2013 at 9:06PM
Harry Watley
Curtis lets set the records straight so there wont be any miss understanding and my words dont get misconstrued I am aware of faith based religion now Curtis let me ask you Is faith belief in something without proof? And if so is there never to be any proof or discovery? If so what is the need of intellect? If faith is trust in something that is real is that reality historical, literal or metaphorical or philosophical? If knowledge is an essential element in faith why should there by so much emphasis on believing and not on understanding in the modern practice of religion?

Faith has come to be regarded as a virtuous goal in life. However, many people have asked how can it be that an endeavor that is supposed to be dedicated to spiritual upliftment has led to more conflict in human history than any other social factor?

IF I follow mans religion no matter how old it maybe am i not saying to man you are the way the truth to GOD an I not allowed to connect to GOD through spirit and truth?

Then again as I worship in spirit and truth am I not spiritual,
then what do I need religion for ? FAITH ?


My faith has made me whole because my faith is in GOD !

There is no question that Christianity and Islam have gained great power in insisting upon very exact beliefs that adherents must hold. NO THANK YOU.... RELIGION SUCKS !

IN ORDER FOR ME TO BE A MUSLIM I MUST READ THEIR BOOK AND FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTION
SAME THING FOR THE CHRISTIAN It makes me realize that the world’s faiths use different elements of human psychology to maintain traditions and grow ranks. Sometimes those tools are the exact opposite of what another faith is using for its own purposes.

Who is to say whos religion is right or wrong ? FAITH ?
No, it’s not what I want to believe. It’s what I’m able to believe. There are millions of religionists all over the world who wrestle with doubts that they cannot easily reconcile. I’m sure that crowd includes a good number of Muslims, Christians,Hindus,ETC and I would offer solace in way of indicating that Self Realization can only be attained by ridding oneself of lesser beliefs.

I am wise not angry, a wise man will tell you GOD is real, a angry man will tell you ''follow my god or else !









Tuesday, October 29th 2013 at 9:50PM
DAVID JOHNSON
My religious studies didn't reinforce my faith but engendered a deep appreciation of the mysteries of life and the universe. Ever since, mystery has been my avenue to spirituality--to being mystified, awed, humbled, filled with joy and wonder, sometimes while trembling with an awareness of the vastness and inscrutability of the universe making me closer and closer to my GOD where i can enter into his gates with thanks giving in my heart and enter into his courts with praise knowing when I CRY OUT to my GOD he hears my cry and acknowledges that I am his ! With no verbal masturbation or man made elements !
Tuesday, October 29th 2013 at 10:02PM
DAVID JOHNSON
David, my religious studies fed my curiosity untiI I left the Christian faith (for many years). I appear to have misunderstood some of your statements when I wrote that I wouldn't try to) convince you of anything (because that seems to be counter-productive). I thought you were trying to pit the work of a handful of scholars against the vast host of Christian scholars and the experience of billions of day to day believers. I didn't understand that you were a man of faith, as you described yourself in a later note (above). Please forgive me if I misrepresented your concerns in my response to your post.

Curt
Wednesday, October 30th 2013 at 8:29AM
Curtis Tilleraas
THIS IS KIND OF LIKE BOOKS IN COLLEGE...THEY IN ORDER TO SAY IT IS A NEW, UPDATED VERSION AT A NEW HIGHER PRICE...THEY CHANGE THE BOOK'S COVER BUT IN IT IS THE SAME EXACT INFO INSIDE THE BOOK...THE AUTHOR DOES NOT CHANGE THE NAME OF THE TITLE (BECAUSE IT MUST BE IN A CERTAIN EDUCATION DEPARTMENT...AND A TENURED PROFESOR THEN CAN USE THE SAME LECTURE YEAR AFTER YEAR AND THE NEW STUDENTS BELIEVE IT IS NEW AS WELL)... LIKE RELIGIONS CHANGE ITS NAMES AND NOT THE MATERIALS IN THE BOOK...GET WHERE I AM GOING WITH HOW THIS CAN HAPPEN AS IN YOUR THEME ( THAT HARRY BELIEVES IT IS ABOUT HIM AS ALWAYS HERE TO SAVE US ALL) (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
THANK YOU SO MUCH MY BEAUTIFUL ALMOT PREFECT DAUGHTRE FOR YOUR MUCH AWAITED RESPONSE. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
CATHOLICS ARE SO DIFFERENT WE HAVE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT OF ONE OF CHRISTIANITY'S MOST SAID PRAYER..."THE LORD'S PRAYER"...BUT SINCE THIS HAS NOT BEEN TURNED INTO A BIG ONE UPMANSHIP NIT PICKING MATCH LIKE THE CATHOLIC TEACHINGS ARE AS DIFFERENT FRO CHRISTIANS THAT IN A WAY IT IS WITH ISLAM...

BUT, HERE AGAIN COMES MOST DON'T DO THEIR OWN RESEARCH / THINKING ANY WAY. (NUP/SMILE)...AND LIKE I AM CATHOLIC UNTIL I GET FORMALLY EXCUMMUNICATED...POOR JEN BELIEVES SINCE SHE HAS TAKEN IT UUPON HER SELF TO DO THE SHE IS CORRECT I CAN'T SAY NDB AND CATHOLIC AND JOIN IN ON THE SUNDAY PRAYERS ON THE SITE AT THE SAME TIME. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
A ALWAYS RELIGIONS SPEAK IN THEIR OWN DISCRIPIONS...CATHOLICS DO NOT CALL THE PREIST A PROFET...BUT THEY ARE THE 'EARTHLY FATHER' AND INTERCEEDS FOR US...SAY LIKE IN CONFESSIONS THEY HAVE THE POWERS (LIKE) GOD TO FORGIVE AFTER HEARING AND SO AND SO. (SMILE)...

I MUST RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH THE CHRISTIANITY IN AFRICA...ACTUALLY ISLAM AS FAR LESS ABUSIVE IS MORE UNIVERSAL AFRICA AFTER THE 'GODS' OF MOTHER NATURE THERE AND TO THIS DAYISLAM THEN THE JEWISH FAITH AS LESS CULTURAL ABUSIVE EVEN TO THIS DAYIN MOTHER AFRICA...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
IT IS IN THE WRITTINGS IN THE DEAD SEA SCROLLS WHICH PREDATES JUDISM THAT DESCRIBES NOAH AS THE SON BORN TO HIS MOTHER WITH HER EVER HAVING BEEN TOUCHED BY A MAN...AND ALL OF THE THINGS LATER ABOUT CHRIST HAD BEEN OFFICALLY RECORDED BEFORE HIS TIME....WORTH CHECKING OUT? I JUST SAW THIS A FEW DAYS AGO IN THE PROGRAM ON H2...ANCIENT ALIEN'S "CLOSER ENCOUNTER"...

HAS ANYONE SEEN THE SERIES 'LOST BOOKS IN THE BIBLE'...I TEND TO LIKE THIS PROGRAM A LOT OUT OPF BEING BIASED TOWARD THE BOOLS OF THE FEMALE...THIS SERIE TELLS WHICH RULER GOT RID OF THEM AND WHY...

THIS COULD VERY WELL HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE DUPLICATIONS...I BELIEVE THE BIBLE HAS NOT HAD COMPLETE OVER HALD OF MAJORE CHANGES AND ADDITIONS, SUBTRACTION SINCE THE KING OF ENGLAND...HISTORY DOES NOT TALK ABOUT THE CALVANS DOING MAJOR CHANGES TO IT WHEN THEY OUSTERED THE ROYAL ELGLISH FAMILY FROM ANY POWER FOR A WHILE OR DID THEY??? (SMILE)...

WHAT ABOUT WHEN HENRY THE 8TH FELLOUT WITH THE POPE...HE MUST HAVE FOUND NEED TO CHANGE THE BIBLE AS HE WANTED NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR CATHOLIC RELIGION AT ALL...AND EVEN WHEN AMERICA BROKE AWAY FROM ENGLAND TH EKING WAS STILL CONISIDERED A A GOD KING...PAGAN PRACTICE OR NOT HE WAS CALLED 'A GOD KING!!! (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@SYLVAINY (ROTFL)(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
DAVID, "I" LOVE EVERY WORD OF WHAT YOU SAID...

AND REMEMBR HOW I ALWAYS SAY, "I"SAY MY 'PRACTICE' BECAUSE WHEN YOU SAY THE WORD RELIGION IT BECOMES OPEN WARFARE...I FIND WHEN ONE TRYS TO MAKE' RELIGION' ENCLUSIVE AND NOT EXCLUDING PEOPLE THEN YOU HAVE A MAJOR PROBLEM...

IT IS MUCH LIKE WHEN THE CLAIM OF TRYING TO KEEP RELIGION OUT OF SCHOOL IS FALSE...THEY ARE TRYING TO ALLOW ONE PRAYER IN AND ENDLESS PRAYERS OF INDIVIDUAL STUDENTA O-U- T IS THE PROBLEM...

THE WORLD IS FLAT HAS NOT GONE AWAY JUST TAKEN A DIFFERENT FORM OR SAYING IT BECAUSE PEOPLE STILL MUST DIE FRO THIS KIND OF DEMANDS ON A SOCIAL ORDER...MANKIND'S BEHAVIOR PATTERNS IS HOW I LOOK AT IT. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@DAVID...YOU HAVE JUST ALMOST SUMED UP NDB.LOL!!!...

NOT 'BUDDHISM"...NDB.LOL!!!(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA

@DAVIDsoSOsiebra---and the puppetMaster steveAdam

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