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The most common NFA Firearms are machine guns, SBRs, and silencers. It is completely legal under federal law to buy, own, and shoot these items. However, some state and local laws ban ownership so check with local law enforcement before making a purchase. In addition, prior to completing a purchase you have to first register the item in the NFA Registry with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATFE or simply ATF), and pay the $200 registration tax. Fortunately the tax has not changed since 1934. (At last, something that has benefitted from inflation!) The process is fairly simple if time consuming. As an individual, you must obtain approval from the ATF, obtain a signature from the Chief Law Enforcement Officer (CLEO) who is the county sheriff or city or town chief of police (not necessarily permission), pass an extensive background check to include submitting a photograph and fingerprints, fully register the firearm, receive ATF written permission before moving the firearm across state lines, and pay a tax. The request to transfer ownership of an NFA item is made on an ATF Form 4. (https://www.atf.gov/file/61546/download) An alternate method of registering an NFA Firearm is as a corporation, trust, or other legal entity. When the paperwork to request transfer of an NFA item is initiated by an officer of a corporation, a signature from local law enforcement is not required, and fingerprint cards and photographs do not need to be submitted with the transfer request. Therefore, an individual who lives in a location where the chief law enforcement officer will not sign a transfer form, for example, can still own an NFA item if he or she owns a corporation or trust. This method has downsides, since it’s the corporation (and not the principal) that owns the firearm. Thus, if the corporation ever dissolves, it must transfer its NFA to the owners. This event would be considered a new transfer and would be subject to a new transfer tax. https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/legally-b...
Posted By: Steve Williams
Monday, October 2nd 2017 at 2:13PM
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The press for gun control policy has started, led by MSNBC and others at the press briefing today. Best to understand the facts first, starting with how the shooter obtained the weapon used.
Monday, October 2nd 2017 at 2:43PM
Steve Williams
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Chris Murphy @ChrisMurphyCT
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To my colleagues: your cowardice to act cannot be whitewashed by thoughts and prayers.
None of this ends unless we do something to stop it.
Monday, October 2nd 2017 at 2:56PM
Steve Williams
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Hillary Clinton @HillaryClinton
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Replying to @HillaryClinton
The crowd fled at the sound of gunshots.
Imagine the deaths if the shooter had a silencer, which the NRA wants to make easier to get.
Monday, October 2nd 2017 at 2:59PM
Steve Williams
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MSNBC is leading the misinformation charge, talking about devices like this, even though the have no idea of what it is. This is not what we hear on the audio of the shooting.
Back on the range, I had a much easier time with the trigger. I’ll go back to the beginning here and talk about speed. The 3MR is as fast as you are. You do have to pull the trigger for each round to fire. But in the third mode, the 3MR flies. The reset is incredibly short. It is predictable, crisp, and it allows for a fluttering of the trigger finger that will flat out empty a magazine. Still, if you intend to fire 30 rounds, you will have to twitch the trigger 30 times.
https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/tac-cons-...
Monday, October 2nd 2017 at 4:06PM
Steve Williams
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The shooter is already able to purchase a silencer Ron, anyone can. Why would he have used a silencer when his intent was to terrorize?
Monday, October 2nd 2017 at 4:11PM
Steve Williams
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https://www.atf.gov/file/61546/download
Application for tax paid transfer and registration of firearm used to request approval to transfer a NFA firearm subject to transfer tax liability. Typically submitted for a transfer to an individual or legal entity such as a trust.
Monday, October 2nd 2017 at 4:30PM
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That is a good question Steve. I don't understand the mind of a domestic terrorist.
Can you imagine if The gunman, identified by police as Stephen Paddock, who was a licensed pilot, had a silencer on those weapons? How many more dead Americans their would be, just because the people did not hear the gun shots, WOW?
Will this event, drive up the slump in gun sales?
So far, I have heard nothing from the NRA.
No. 1. Nothing will change.
We didn’t change anything after a classroom full of dead first graders. Or a theater full of dead movie goers. Or a nightclub filled with dead party goers. And we won’t change anything after a killing field full of dead country music fans.
The NRA will wrap itself in the Second Amendment and assure us that guns aren’t the problem. This, even as the sound of machine gun fire echos in our ears. It is, apparently, our God-given right to own an arsenal capable of capable of turning a concert field into a killing field.
Is it to early to talk about what happen? Or will some will say, Their you go again Ron.
Monday, October 2nd 2017 at 5:06PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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He killed 58 and wounded 515. He sprayed the whole area, 22,000 people couldn't have gotten out any faster, whether they started running a few seconds earlier or not. Doesn't matter if they heard shots and ran or saw bodies dropping and ran. The shooter fired until he was out of ammunition.
Monday, October 2nd 2017 at 5:38PM
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"live by the gun die by the gun,".............?
If you use a gun as your primary means to defeat your enemies, to win your property,
to defend your home and possessions, sooner or later you will die from gun actions.
---- referring to gunslingers, sheriffs, bounty hunters, cattle rustlers, etc.
in the olde USA west frontier ..... when there was little law enforcement and lots of guns.
Monday, October 2nd 2017 at 6:04PM
robert powell
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M16 Full Auto Suppressed
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Published on Aug 30, 2013Shooting and discussing the iconic M16 / AR15 / M4 platform. The upper on this select fire lower is actually my 6920 Colt, which performs flawlessly.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NM8xvE5B4yk
Monday, October 2nd 2017 at 7:42PM
Steve Williams
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A Colt M16 can be bought for $30,000. I found 3 of them listed on the first site I looked at. The shooter was a multimillionaire.
Monday, October 2nd 2017 at 10:39PM
Steve Williams
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So, what are you saying? If that domestic terrorist Stephen Paddock had a silencer on those weapons, it would have been OK with you?
Tuesday, October 3rd 2017 at 8:56AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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If Paddock had a suppressor or didn't have a suppressor (it could have been either, we don't yet) it didn't make a damn bit of difference. Watch the video I posted above,if you haven't, of a full auto M16 with suppressor and you'll hear that it makes no difference. What I'm saying is that you and Hillary will have way more than enough excuse to be outraged, when it comes out that his M16(s) were entirely legal. The lights are slowly going on in the media, at least Fox, and fairly soon they will push law enforcement to reveal what law enforcement already knows. Might even happen today.
Tuesday, October 3rd 2017 at 12:57PM
Steve Williams
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The question was: "If that domestic terrorist Stephen Paddock had a silencer on those weapons, it would have been OK with you?"
Tuesday, October 3rd 2017 at 2:29PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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I'll lay it out for you Ron when I give the link to the last video I'm going to show you. It's not something I wanted to post but when I do I'll leave it up for 24 hours, that's it.
Tuesday, October 3rd 2017 at 2:55PM
Steve Williams
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Here you go Ron. 4,610 rounds in 6 minutes, before the gun is destroyed. A 100% legal M16 that you, I, the shooter, or the anyone reading this could obtain for under $40,000, if we passed the necessary ATF background check and it was registered as a NFA firearm, and we had the patience for the time it takes to go through the process.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BSizVpfqFtw
Tuesday, October 3rd 2017 at 3:18PM
Steve Williams
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I see that you don't want to answer the question so, Thanks!!!
Tuesday, October 3rd 2017 at 3:21PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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While you're at it, compare it to what you heard in Vietnam and on the video of the Las Vegas Massacre.
Tuesday, October 3rd 2017 at 3:22PM
Steve Williams
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And the answer to your question Ron, is yes.
Tuesday, October 3rd 2017 at 3:26PM
Steve Williams
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My math was off big league. It was 830 rounds in 6 minutes.
Tuesday, October 3rd 2017 at 4:17PM
Steve Williams
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Subsonic .223 brings the performance of the gun to the level of a .22 LR. Because of that it can be shot without a suppressor or other hearing protection. But the reduced power is far less than what's required to cycle the action.
Thursday, October 5th 2017 at 12:24PM
Steve Williams
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THE ROLE OF SUPPRESSORS
Suppressors, also known as silencers, are the hearing protection of the 21st century sportsman. Despite common misconceptions, suppressors are not silent. They are simply mufflers for firearms, which function by trapping the expanding gasses at the muzzle and allowing them to slowly cool.
SUPPRESSOR LEGALITY AND OWNERSHIP
Suppressors are regulated under the National Firearms Act (NFA) of 1934, which falls under the purview of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). To legally purchase or possess a suppressor you must:
Be at least 21 years of age to purchase a suppressor from a dealer.
Be at least 18 years of age to purchase a suppressor from an individual on a Form 4 to Form 4 transfer (contingent on state laws).
Be at least 18 years of age to possess a suppressor as a beneficiary of a trust or as a member of a corporation (contingent on state laws).
Be a resident of the United States.
Be legally eligible to purchase a firearm.
Pass a BATFE background check with a typical process time of 8 to 10 months.
Pay a one time $200 Transfer Tax.
Reside in one of the 42 states that currently allows civilian ownership of suppressors.
Benefits of Suppressors
HEARING PROTECTION
Noise induced hearing loss and tinnitus are two of the most common afflictions for recreational shooters and hunters. Everyone knows that gunfire is loud, but very few people understand the repercussions that shooting can have on their hearing until it’s too late.
Suppressors reduce the noise of a gunshot by an average of 20 – 35 dB, which is roughly the same as earplugs or earmuffs. By decreasing the overall sound signature, suppressors help to preserve the hearing of recreational shooters, hunters, and hunting dogs around the world. Even the most effective suppressors, on the smallest and quietest calibers (.22 LR) reduce the peak sound level of a gunshot to between 110 – 120 dB. To put that in perspective, according to the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH), that is as loud as a jackhammer (110 dB) or an ambulance siren (120 dB). For normal caliber handguns and rifles, suppressed sound levels routinely exceed 130 dB, just shy of OSHA’s “hearing safe” threshold of 140 dB.
From a hearing conservation perspective, according to Dr. William W. Clark, the current Director of the Washington University School of Medicine’s Program in Audiology and Communication Sciences, “the most serious threat to hearing comes from recreational hunting or target shooting”.1 This is in large part due to the fact that many people choose not to use traditional hearing protection devices like earplugs and earmuffs because they want to be able to hear their surroundings. Multiple studies have found that between 70 to 80% of hunters never wear earplugs or earmuffs, and nearly half of all target shooters don’t consistently wear traditional hearing protection.2,3 Thus, it should come as no surprise that for every five years of hunting, hunters become seven percent more likely to experience high frequency hearing loss.4
In a 2011 study, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) stated, “the only potentially effective noise control method to reduce students’ or instructors’ noise exposure from gunfire is through the use of noise suppressors that can be attached to the end of the gun barrel. However, some states do not permit civilians to use suppressors on firearms.”5 California, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, and Rhode Island currently do not allow civilians to own suppressors. Even if the Hearing Protection Act or the SHARE Act become law, suppressors will still not be legal in the eight states where they are currently prohibited.
In a similar study from 2014 on noise exposure at shooting ranges, NIOSH recommended, “if feasible and legally permissible, attach noise suppressors to firearms to reduce peak sound pressure levels.”6
In March, 2017, the National Hearing Conservation Association’s Task Force on Prevention of Noise-Induced Hearing Loss from Firearm Noise stated that “using firearms equipped with suppressors” is one of “several strategies [that] can be employed to reduce the risk of acquiring NIHL and associated tinnitus from firearm noise exposure.”7
1 Clark WW. (1991) Noise exposure from leisure activities: a review. J Acoust Soc Am 90(1):175–181.
2Wagner A, Stewart M, Lehman ME. (2006) Risk patterns and shooting habits of recreational firearm users. In: Abstracts of the National Hearing Conservation Association Annual Conference 2006, Tampa, Florida. NHCA Spectrum 23(Suppl. 1):28.
3 Stewart M, Foley L, Lehman ME, Gerlach A. (2011) Risks Faced by Recreational Firearm Users. Audiology Today, March-April:38–52.
4 Nondahl DM, Cruickshanks KJ, Wiley TL, Klein R, Klein BE, Tweed TS. (2000) Recreational firearm use and hearing loss. Arch Fam Med 9(4):352–357.
5 Chen L, Brueck SE. (2011) Noise and Lead Exposures at an Outdoor Firing Range ─ California. Health Hazard Evaluation Report HETA 2011-0069-3140:5.
6 Brueck SE, Kardous CA, Oza A, Murphy WJ. (2014) Measurement of Exposure to Impulsive Noise at Indoor and Outdoor Firing Ranges during Tactical Training Exercises. Health Hazard Evaluation Report HETA 2013-0124-3208:14.
7 Murphy S, Meinke DK, Flamme GA, Murphy WJ, Finan DS, Lankford, JE, Tasko SM. (2017) NHCA Position Statement: Recreational Firearm Noise. NHCA Task Force on Prevention of Noise-Induced Hearing Loss from Firearm Noise: 1.
https://americansuppressorassociation.com/...
Thursday, October 5th 2017 at 1:02PM
Steve Williams
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I believe every N igga - Migga...like the Vegas guy, harry and even a 'blackHebrewIsraelite'
---- should be able to buy any item to Defend Oneself...tank, gatlinGun, plane, sub....etc.etc....
Thursday, October 5th 2017 at 7:33PM
robert powell
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