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75 Ways America is Already Socialist

Do not allow the fear-mongers of the Republican Party use the word "Socialism" to scare the hell out of you. Socialism is not a bad thing, in fact, the United States already operates under a socialist system with things you need and use every day.

It is capitalism gone wrong that is a danger to any society, beginning with the private ownership of slaves and the expansion of colonial powers throughout the world. Slavery and colonial rule is always in the interest of a few individuals who have control over the government, much like it is today.

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Social ownership is any of various forms of ownership for the means of production in socialist economic systems, encompassing public ownership, employee ownership, cooperative ownership, citizen ownership of equity,[1] common ownership and collective ownership.[2] Historically social ownership implied that capital and factor markets would cease to exist under the assumption that market exchanges within the production process would be made redundant if capital goods were owned by a single entity or network of entities representing society,[3] but the articulation of models of market socialism where factor markets are utilized for allocating capital goods between socially owned enterprises broadened the definition to include autonomous entities within a market economy. Social ownership of the means of production is the common defining characteristic of all the various forms of socialism.[4]

The two major forms of social ownership are society-wide public ownership and cooperative ownership. The distinction between these two forms lies in the distribution of the surplus product. With society-wide public ownership, the surplus is distributed to all members of the public through a social dividend, whereas with co-operative ownership the economic surplus of an enterprise is controlled by all the worker-members of that specific enterprise.[5]

The goal of social ownership is to eliminate the distinction between the class of private owners who are the recipients of passive property income and workers who are the recipients of labor income (wages, salaries and commissions), so that the surplus product (or economic profits in the case of market socialism) belong either to society as a whole or to the members of a given enterprise. Social ownership would enable productivity gains from labor automation to progressively reduce the average length of the working day instead of creating job insecurity and unemployment. Reduction of necessary work time is central to the Marxist concept of human freedom and overcoming alienation, a concept widely shared by Marxist and non-Marxist socialists alike.[6][7]

The term "socialization" refers to the process of restructuring the economic framework, organizational structure and institutions of an economy on a socialist basis.[8] The comprehensive notion of socialization and the public ownership form of social ownership implies an end to the operation of the laws of capitalism, capital accumulation and the use of money and financial valuation in the production process, along with a restructuring of workplace-level organization.[9][10]

Saturday, March 2nd 2019 at 12:10PM
Steve Williams
This part of "Socialism" caught my eye.

23. Veteran's (VA) Health Care - Our soldiers bravely go to foreign countries and risk their lives at the request of their government and the American people. For those who survive, we as a country feel committed and obligated to ensure that they have everything they need for the rest of their lives for their service to us in which we could never fully repay. So we the taxpayers fund their health care in a government-run single-payer system for veterans. Many soldiers return with mental and/or physical health issues that would cost them thousands in a private health care plan. Socialism funds the military, the overall war, and also takes care of our troops when they return home.

"Socialism" is the benefits like Police, Fire, U.S. Post Office, THE VA, Public Education just to mention a few programs that Americans collectively pay for with Tax payer dollars in this country, which I agree with.


Saturday, March 2nd 2019 at 1:01PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Mr. CR Minister, you are a stupid man! I’ll explain why you are stupid! Capitalism versus socialism.

You are in favor of socialism. Now, what is the main difference between capitalism and socialism? Capitalism encourages competition and work. Socialism is the opposite it makes you lazy and poor.
Wealth and riches comes from capitalism. No one can become wealthy from socialism, why? Capitalism encourages a person if he wants to become wealthy he will invent something beneficial to the country and when that happens that person becomes an instant millionaire from his invention.
This is not possible in socialism since everything is shared and when that runs out chaos start because there is no incentive to invent anything that would improve your lives and bettering the status of your country at the same time!

Creation reflects capitalism. God created more than one race means competition among the different races and competition is capitalism. There is no competition in socialism. There is no improvement in socialism. When the sharing runs out and it will then chaos and fighting starts!

Have I made my point?

Saturday, March 2nd 2019 at 3:15PM
Harry Watley
Competition (cut-throat Capitalism) turns into massive inequality, and then we have the extreme wealthy and the extreme poor. God always took care of the poor and left rich men with a curse if they did not let go of their riches or at least share.

"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." Mark 10:25.

The Bible on Socialism, Taxes, and Usury (Interest)
https://youtu.be/aDMzifGvrxc

Saturday, March 2nd 2019 at 4:27PM
CR Minister
Harry, you said "There is no improvement in socialism." You are 100 percent correct but the socialists never seem to see this simple truth right under their noses. CR is also mistaken to take Jesus's word about the rich. Jesus could miraculously feed the poor but the socialists have no such power.

Saturday, March 2nd 2019 at 4:51PM
Steve Williams
Steve and Harry, maybe you can help me understand something, please bare with me for a moment.

From what you posted leads me to this question: Did you completely read the rest of the story by clicking on the link Steve?

Harry, you really need to cut that name calling OUT! Now did you completely read the rest of this article? You would have seen how Capitalism gets a welfare check. You can also can back here to speak on this subject.

If both of you completely read this article, you would have ran across these words:

74. Law - Laws and rules make our democracy possible. Remove these laws and you have sheer anarchy. Laws do not appear out of thin air. To have law, you need a government. You need elected lawmakers to make the laws and a government to implement and enforce them. Socialism is responsible for every law in this country. Without our government and lawmakers which exist thanks to socialism, there would be no laws. So the laws themselves, are enforced and implemented thanks to socialism.

75. Civilization - As an American citizen, you enjoy freedoms that many in other countries do not. Like anything else in this world, our government is not perfect, but you should be thankful everyday that your country has a government that feels an obligation to serve the people and protect their rights and freedoms. This is completely possible because of government, taxes, and socialism. Do you think the private sector would do a better job of governing our country? Do you think corporations would enact laws to help protect and serve you and your family or them and their profits? The reason you can read this blog and the reason I can write it whether you agree with it or not is because of the freedoms we have here in America enforced and protected through socialist means. Our entire civilization depends on us being a people united. Socialism is a glue that binds us together and makes possible the things that we could not accomplish as individuals working against each other.

This is something that you can not REFUTE!!!

Saturday, March 2nd 2019 at 7:02PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Learn what socialism is Ron: "Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership." Above I posted what "social ownership" is. Explain to us how "Law" and "Civilization" are characterized by social ownership. Nobody "owns" the Law and nobody "owns" Civilization.

Saturday, March 2nd 2019 at 8:20PM
Steve Williams
I’ll take the liberty to explain to Mr. CR Minister and Mr. Ron how to debate! I’ll take on Mr. CR Minister first. Mr. Minister said this in response to my post, he said “Competition (cut-throat Capitalism) turns into massive inequality, and then we have the extreme wealthy and the extreme poor.”

Mr. Minister agrees with my positive view of capitalism over socialism when he refers to capitalism as CUTTHROAT then it turns into massive inequality since that has been his experience in the world of White America, nevertheless it is capitalism and it doesn’t have to turn into massive inequality!
The point that I have made that Mr. Minister is agreeing with is that capitalism promotes improvement and advancement, but not so with socialism. So, capitalism at its worst is still better than socialism at its best.
Again, my point is that Mr. Minister reluctantly and with a slow heartbeat agreed with me that capitalism is better than socialism.

Now, I’ll take on the stupid deacon and I say stupid since this idiot did not respond to my post debunking socialism as Mr. Minister did.
The deacon did not respond to my post as Mr. Minister did because I directly responded to his blog and the flow of the debate runs smoothly. But, with the deacon he did not respond to my post at all and therefore the deacon and I do not have a smooth flowing debate on the topic of capitalism versus socialism.
The deacon took it upon himself to talk about the law # 74 and civilization #75. This is a different conversation and debate this idiot is introducing into the debate on the topic of capitalism versus socialism.

At this point I’m issuing a warning to the dumb ass deacon that if he does not debunk my position why capitalism is the way to go and not socialism presenting facts to support his position that socialism is better this will be my last comment to the dumb ass deacon!

Steve I have long recognized your ability to analytically think and reason rationally. I especially like your rationale when you said this, Jesus could miraculously feed the poor but the socialists have no such power.

Reasoning is an art of thinking the better your reasoning is the more perfect your thinking is and that is the art of thinking and reasoning.
God loves a man with a good brain muscle!

What say you!

Saturday, March 2nd 2019 at 10:07PM
Harry Watley
Harry, you never did answer the question: "Harry, you really need to cut that name calling OUT! Now did you completely read the rest of this article?"

You would have seen how Capitalism gets a welfare check. You can also can back here to speak on this subject.

Now if you did read this article, you also would have seen these words as well:

22. Corporate/Business Subsidies - This is the type of socialism that is acceptable in the Republican party. You tax dollars are given to big corporations to do things they should be doing anyway out of morals and ethics. Like not sending jobs overseas and hiring people. Wouldn't you like a nice big check just for not breaking the law? To be fair though, many businesses do earn their subsidies by advancing green technology and practice, donating to charity, helping communities, etc. They aren't all bad. People just get mad when big billionaire oil companies get billions of their taxpayer dollars while they're paying $4 at the pump. For the corporations that don't earn their subsidies other than donating to their very own political party, it's merely welfare. Though however you look at it, it is socialism.

or

43. Corporate Bailouts/Welfare - The whole point of this post is to prove that we ALL use, benefit from, and like socialism. This example is a form of socialism that the republicans not only like, but fight tooth and nail for. They don't like it when socialism is used for working/poor people, but when it's for millionaires and their corporate donors, socialism becomes as American as apple pie. The middle/working class who are the majority of taxpayers pay for welfare for corporations and people who have more money than all of us combined. When our government bails out a bank or gives a subsidy to a billion dollar corporation, you are paying for it.

or

51. Welfare - Is there anything the republicans hate more? Of course I'm talking about the welfare that goes to poor people. Corporate welfare is not only accepted in the republican Kabul, but it's mandatory that we give our tax dollars to billionaires and not question the logic of it. Though if you look at it realistically and not through the red scare glasses in which the right sees the world, welfare helps the economy. As I've said many times, when poor people have money in their pocket, they buy things made and sold by companies. This creates a demand. To keep up with demand, businesses must hire to keep up. If you yanked everyone who is on welfare off of it tomorrow, the economy would take a blow and lose jobs due to the down tick in consumer demand because we just took what little money they had away.

Harry, you are in a Senor Citizen Home, is that right? Then you too are benefiting from socialism, by way of a collective of tax payers monies. Now Harry, do you think you could afford the services you are getting right now, out of your Social Security Check?

I understand if 9-11 was called for you, that you cost you $300, That too is covered under another socialist plan called Medicare.

Harry, may God continue to bless you and all that is yours.



Sunday, March 3rd 2019 at 1:19AM
Deacon Ron Gray
Mr. Ron my dialogue with you is OVER!
Sunday, March 3rd 2019 at 2:21AM
Harry Watley
Capitalism kills
Sunday, March 3rd 2019 at 8:45AM
CR Minister

A Sane Person's Guide to Socialism

SUBJECT

"...capitalism gone wrong that is a danger to any society, beginning with the private ownership of slaves

..the expansion of colonial powers..... Slavery and colonial rule is always in the interest

of a few individuals who have control over the government, much like it is today.

Mark 10:25.

The Bible on Socialism, Taxes, and Usury...…."

Posted By: CR Minister
Saturday, March 2nd 2019 at 8:43AM

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….PLEASE stop your INSANE....cowTOW rejection of Truth for False hisStory and hisDefinitions…….

1. slavery and colonialism is NEVER in the Hands of the Monsters, and evil LIARS

2. slavery and colonialism is in the Hands of the Monsters, and weak that accept their torture

…… AND

slavery AND colonialism:.. crMINISTER; of the kingJamesThought of Mark 10:25......The Bible

….WAS and IS .. a euroRACIST COLORED'white' paganChristian "cutthroat" FALSE euroInterpretation,

Misconception and definition of African Asian Monotheistic belief of the Creator of Adaam(as)

….Capitalism seems the HEART of the FIRST sons of Adaam(as) WORKING to please Creator..

….Socialism is seems HEART of the FIRST laws from Adaam(as) and Prophets to MANKIND.....

STOP enabling your RACISTLY IGNORANT Misconceptions at BIA, an AfricanAmerican Family site


Sunday, March 3rd 2019 at 9:00AM
robert powell
I know that our conversation is OVER Harry because you don't bring a thing to the table and you have no clue of this material, once again. Harry, you want feed back but once you receive it, you can't handle the Truth because you don't read the material or viewed to see what is going on with the topic right in front of you:

You can't even make a reply on this material because you have no clue at all of the subject or answer the simplest of questions when you told that LIE,

Hey Harry, did you see Brother Doctors video on: "The Bible on Socialism, Taxes, and Usury (Interest). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDMzifGvrxc&feature=youtu.be to see what Brother Doctor CR Minister what he had to say on the topic? NO!!! Not according to your off topic comments.

Harry, take note of Brother Doctor CR Minister's sermon. Could you do that to get the message of God out? NO!!! you can't because what you are talking about is not from GOD.

Now the reason why I did not answer YOU was because "I WAS NOT TALKING TO YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE and if I was talking to you, you could not REFUTE a thing that I said anyway, Harry. I have noticed that this have been your method of running from the topic at hand, when I ask you a simple and direct question to you about any given topic, including this one, you run like hell from me because you know, that I want to get a better understanding on your views points in life and you know for a FACT that I will be asking you questions.

This is something you have not done since I known you. HARRY once again, Harry, may God continue to bless you and all that is yours.




Sunday, March 3rd 2019 at 9:43AM
Deacon Ron Gray
You did say this Ron.

"Steve and Harry, maybe you can help me understand something, please bare with me for a moment."

Sunday, March 3rd 2019 at 10:19AM
Steve Williams
Mr. CR Minister,

You said loud and clear that capitalism kills and that’s all you said! You did not have the intelligence enough to give an example how capitalism kills.

I claimed that capitalism encourages individuals to invent things and that is a good thing for the country and the inventor is rewarded monetarily for their inventions which translate into growth and improvement for the country by providing jobs for those who are not inventors.
Notice how I’ve supported capitalism and how meticulously and in detail I gave an example why capitalism is the way to go. You did not do the same when you made your claim that capitalism kills and for that reason is why I called you stupid Mr. CR Minister.

The statement Capitalism kills is an incomplete statement idiot without mentioning what it kills and how it kills whatever it is that it kills. You are an extremely dumb and stupid man Mr. CR Minister!
You are not articulate because you do not know how to present and defend your position while at the same time debunking your opponent’s position. Until you learn this art of debate you will continue to be a stupid man without a voice!
I guess you can see for yourself why God choose me over you to be Black America’s first prophet!

Now, take your time and collect your thoughts and explain how capitalism kills, my son!

What say you!
Sunday, March 3rd 2019 at 10:37AM
Harry Watley
YES I DID Say ""Steve and Harry, maybe you can help me understand something, please bare with me for a moment." Now I can see that I will not get any help to understand his point of view, what a waist of time but I will still hold out hope for his recovery or when he get\s back.



Sunday, March 3rd 2019 at 10:52AM
Deacon Ron Gray
To understand our point of view, Harry summed it up perfectly. "There is no improvement in socialism."

Sunday, March 3rd 2019 at 10:57AM
Steve Williams
Harry summed it up perfectly; there is no improvement in socialism! Having said this if the Deacon disagrees then his obligation is to present a factual rebuttal debunking capitalism encourages improvement!

Instead, what the idiot does is gives a link to YouTube then goes on to make an argument that what I am saying is not from God. None of this response of this idiot has anything to do with capitalism versus socialism and that capitalism encourages improvement in a country.

This man does not know how to carry on smooth easy flowing dialogue. When the respond does not connect to the subject and last post by me is enough reason for me to same this will be my last comment because an easy flowing dialogue I shouldn't have to be going through this unnessasary fight with this man.

Years ago I had to threaten this stupid man that if he did not answer my questions I would end the dialogue. I shouldn’t have to do this if the Deacon was honest and up-right!

A word to the wise should be sufficient if the person is indeed wise.
Sunday, March 3rd 2019 at 1:09PM
Harry Watley

A Sane Person's Guide to Socialism

SUBJECT

In, 2019...there is NO FORCED slavery/colonialism - racistBelief…. OR capitalism/socialism

…..ALL MANNER of sane Belief in 2019....is a negros' choice

LIKE the Racially Ignorant thoughts of the following.....Sane RACISTS or INSANE American 'blacks'

……...AND some at this African American Capitalist Family site think the above ménage à trois

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1. crMinister is COWARDLY to state his name or his evangelical "ministry"

2. Harry is a COWARD and selfProfessed 68 IQ Retardant, a 'blackProPHAT-christ'

3. DeaconRussian BOT is a FAKE NEWS evangelicalChristian - self Professed 'blackHebrewIsraelite'

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AGAIN....

….Capitalism seems the HEART of the FIRST sons of Adaam(as) WORKING to please Creator..

….Socialism is seems HEART of the FIRST laws from Adaam(as) and Prophets to MANKIND.....

STOP enabling your RACISTLY IGNORANT Misconceptions at BIA, an AfricanAmerican Family site



Sunday, March 3rd 2019 at 3:38PM
robert powell
Capitalism kills because large companies pollute. Look at our water (Flint), our food (FDA), and our air. That is because the CEOs do not give a damn about people but about their profits and share holders. Pharmaceutical drugs, opioids, cigarettes, now weed. They exploit people by dumbing them down with television, over charging for education, criminalizing people, incarcerating people on bogus charges, all for working prisoners for free labor. People have lost their homes because of greedy banks, payday loans joints charge extreme interest only to put people in debt. Please, do not get me started.
Sunday, March 3rd 2019 at 3:56PM
CR Minister
I agree Brother Doctor CR Minister. Now get him started, you might learn something.

Brother Doctor CR Minister.
Sunday, March 3rd 2019 at 6:06PM
Deacon Ron Gray
I'm waiting to learn about examples of social ownership that have created improvement to a civilization.

Sunday, March 3rd 2019 at 7:31PM
Steve Williams
Mr. Minister,

You said capitalism kills because large companies pollute! It is true that large companies pollutes. However, pollution is not capitalism!

Capitalism is making money and that is exactly what large companies do. Pollution is under a different category that is regulated by the EPA. The error that you are making Mr. Minister is seeing capitalism and pollution as one and the same item, but they are not the same!

You are not a very intelligent man because you cannot think analytically and you cannot reason rationally. You are capable of accepting that an alligator and a crocodile is the same reptilian because of how closely they resemble each other, but they are not!
You are incapable of thinking in a straight line and that is what makes you a stupid man!
Intelligently speaking you are no match for me. I can think better than you any day of the week.
Am I right?

PS
I’d like to piggyback on Mr. Steve Williams challenge to you Mr. Minister. Steve said that he is waiting so am I for you to give an example of how social ownership have created improvement in a civilization!

Sunday, March 3rd 2019 at 10:19PM
Harry Watley
Hey Steve, why don't you ask a question that is on the topic Steve.

Now can you REFUTE that Socialism is merely a system that uses tax-payers money to provide basic needs to society like everyday services such as roads and highway maintenance, the military, and public libraries, public Schools, The three branches U.S. Gov etc?



Monday, March 4th 2019 at 8:26AM
Deacon Ron Gray
Yes Ron, I can REFUTE that Socialism is merely a system that uses tax-payers money to provide basic needs to society like everyday services such as roads and highway maintenance, the military, and public libraries, public Schools, The three branches U.S. Gov etc...

"Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership."

Monday, March 4th 2019 at 9:27AM
Steve Williams
Steve stop your BULL💩 man! Now the type of Socialism this article is focus on is the society-wide public ownership.


The difference between society-wide public ownership, the form of socialism that was talked about in this blog, is the surplus is distributed to all members of the public through a social dividend, whereas with co-operative ownership the economic surplus of an enterprise is controlled by all the worker-members of that specific enterprise, which that is NOT, THE TOPIC!

You are trying to promote that the American Government have implemented a form of socialism is a bad thing and in this article you have 75 examples of how socialism is a intricate part of government plans already, where the people of The United States may benefit from.




Monday, March 4th 2019 at 9:55AM
Deacon Ron Gray
Socialism is about PRODUCTION Ron. "Social ownership of the means of production is the common defining characteristic of all the various forms of socialism.[4]"

Monday, March 4th 2019 at 11:49AM
Steve Williams
(Steve) A type is socialism is working right now in the United States. The fight is to expand parts of it to cover the hardships of what capitalism has done to the people. Such as medical cost and care, workers rights, care for those who capitalism have locked out of society through debt, imprisonment, and lack of opportunity.

There is a mixture of socialism and capitalism in the country now but Capitalist would rather have ALL the means of productions. They want to privatize public schools, the roads (tolls), build private prisons that exploit people for cheap labor, and medical care by taking away social security and medicare and pushing people into private bank retirement plans so the banks and insurance companies can get rich.

(Mr. Watley) Large companies pollute while making money. They want to end regulations of their businesses so they can dirty the water, dump garbage into rivers and poison the air. Not only are they polluting the United States, but now they are polluting other countries and exploiting their people also.
Monday, March 4th 2019 at 4:57PM
CR Minister

SO NOW....crMINISTER of ?????

IS so COWARDLY and Full of it …… HE TOOK HIS PICTURE OFF....?

….STOP this nonsense-crMinister of 'deaconCOLOREDhebrewsANDharry'blackProPHATS'.


Monday, March 4th 2019 at 6:09PM
robert powell
I did not take my pic down...this piece of crap web program did

Monday, March 4th 2019 at 7:05PM
CR Minister
CR, what we have in America is not any type of Socialism. What we have is:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Monday, March 4th 2019 at 8:12PM
Steve Williams
Steve, what part of the 75 examples of Socialism depicted in blog is not part of The U.S. government programs?


Monday, March 4th 2019 at 9:09PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Ron, none of those 75 items are examples of Socialism because none of them are characterized by social ownership.

Monday, March 4th 2019 at 9:34PM
Steve Williams
That is my point, social ownership plays no role here in this conversation.


Monday, March 4th 2019 at 9:45PM
Deacon Ron Gray
I'm happy to say Ron that the subject is CR Minister's subject and CR Minister does not change his subjects on the fly as you do. He said "Socialism is not a bad thing, in fact, the United States already operates under a socialist system with things you need and use every day." Socialism by definition means social ownership and in fact, the United States does not operate under a socialist system. It operates under the Constitution, which is about the Union of the several States, which autorizes the collecting of taxes to provide for the common welfare of the several States.

Tuesday, March 5th 2019 at 7:25AM
Steve Williams

If you are so happy CR Minister does not change his subjects on the fly as I do, then why don't you act like you understand what Brother CR Minister said about Socialism. Like us review what CR Minister said:

(Steve) A type is socialism is working right now in the United States. The fight is to expand parts of it to cover the hardships of what capitalism has done to the people. Such as medical cost and care, workers rights, care for those who capitalism have locked out of society through debt, imprisonment, and lack of opportunity.

There is a mixture of socialism and capitalism in the country now but Capitalist would rather have ALL the means of productions. They want to privatize public schools, the roads (tolls), build private prisons that exploit people for cheap labor, and medical care by taking away social security and medicare and pushing people into private bank retirement plans so the banks and insurance companies can get rich.

Steve, do you understand the words that Brother CR Minister said to you?

Do you think that socialism is bad for the country Steve?

Tuesday, March 5th 2019 at 12:24PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Socialism would be very bad for the country Ron. Imagine for instance, social ownership of pharmaceutical production.

Tuesday, March 5th 2019 at 4:11PM
Steve Williams
The Question that you did not answer is: Steve, do you understand the words that Brother CR Minister said to you?



Tuesday, March 5th 2019 at 4:24PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Excluding the list from Daily Kos Ron?

Tuesday, March 5th 2019 at 6:28PM
Steve Williams
No just his last comment to you. Steve, do you understand the words that Brother CR Minister said to you?

Tuesday, March 5th 2019 at 7:59PM
Deacon Ron Gray
These words Ron?

(Steve) A type is socialism is working right now in the United States. The fight is to expand parts of it to cover the hardships of what capitalism has done to the people. Such as medical cost and care, workers rights, care for those who capitalism have locked out of society through debt, imprisonment, and lack of opportunity.

There is a mixture of socialism and capitalism in the country now but Capitalist would rather have ALL the means of productions. They want to privatize public schools, the roads (tolls), build private prisons that exploit people for cheap labor, and medical care by taking away social security and medicare and pushing people into private bank retirement plans so the banks and insurance companies can get rich.

Tuesday, March 5th 2019 at 8:42PM
Steve Williams
"YES!!!"
Tuesday, March 5th 2019 at 9:04PM
Deacon Ron Gray
And did you see my reply to CR Minister Ron?

Tuesday, March 5th 2019 at 9:53PM
Steve Williams

yes.....


I did not take my pic down...this piece of crap web program did

Monday, March 4th 2019 at 7:05PM
CR Minister

……………………………………………

So much for RESPECT for BIA, an African American Family site....crMinister of what?


Wednesday, March 6th 2019 at 7:52AM
robert powell
I saw your reply, please clarify?


Wednesday, March 6th 2019 at 8:05AM
Deacon Ron Gray

crMinister of what? ………………...crMinister in deacons gray choorch


Wednesday, March 6th 2019 at 8:09AM
robert powell
America is not a Socialist nation Ron.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Wednesday, March 6th 2019 at 8:41AM
Steve Williams
What about those 75 program examples given in this blog of what our U.S. government has passed and implemented by our Government already, all of those programs are Socialist in nature?




Wednesday, March 6th 2019 at 11:16AM
Deacon Ron Gray
Thanks to Socialism, we have a 8 hour five day, work week for full time workers. The people have spoken...



Wednesday, March 6th 2019 at 11:57AM
Deacon Ron Gray
An 8 hour 5 day work week is what has caused the wealth gap that you love to moan about.

Wednesday, March 6th 2019 at 7:37PM
Steve Williams
Steve, what about those 75 program examples given in this blog of what our U.S. government has passed and implemented into LAW already, all of those programs are Socialist in nature or are you REFUTING that FACT??


Thursday, March 7th 2019 at 9:15PM
Deacon Ron Gray
The U.S. Constitution refutes that non-fact.

Thursday, March 7th 2019 at 11:21PM
Steve Williams
What are you talking about, explain yourself.


Friday, March 8th 2019 at 7:54AM
Deacon Ron Gray
Do you see anywhere in these words Ron, the idea of "socialism"?

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Friday, March 8th 2019 at 7:04PM
Steve Williams
I see 75 examples of "socialism" that The U.S. Constitution supports like our"

1. The Military/Defense
2. Highways/Roads
3. Public Libraries
4. Police
5. Fire
6. Postal Service
7. Student Loans and Grants
8. Bridges
9. Garbage Collection
10. Public Landfills
11. War
12. Farm Subsidies
13. CIA
14. FBI
15. Congressional Health Care
16. Polio Vaccine
17. THE EPA
18. Social Security
19. Public Schools
20. Jail/Prison System
21. Corporate/Business Subsidies
22. Veteran's (VA) Health Care
23. Public Parks
24. All Elected Government Officials - From the Supreme Court, to the President of the United States and all the way down to the County Dog Catcher, taxpayers pay their salary and provide the funding for them to do their job. We pay for every aspect of their job. So in a sense, I guess you could say our whole country is run on socialism.
25. Food Stamps

There are 50 more such example quoted in this article which The U.S. Constitution supports and follows the guidelines, you just quoted: "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"
veryone


Now Steve I ask simply ask you which one of these Government run agencies are NOT supported by The U.S. Constitution by giving Congress the power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States.

Which one of these programs in this report that DON'T FOLLOW THESE GUIDELINES SET FORTH BY THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, Steve?

ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR ME, CAN YOU DO THAT?



Saturday, March 9th 2019 at 1:09PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Let's assume that each of these 75 items "provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States." If that's what you call Socialism then which was the first Socialist nation?

Saturday, March 9th 2019 at 1:45PM
Steve Williams

Hey Steve, did you just over looked my answer to the question you asked and my follow up question? Why can't you answer me?

From the top

I see 75 examples of "socialism" that The U.S. Constitution supports like our"

1. The Military/Defense
2. Highways/Roads
3. Public Libraries
4. Police
5. Fire
6. Postal Service
7. Student Loans and Grants
8. Bridges
9. Garbage Collection
10. Public Landfills
11. War
12. Farm Subsidies
13. CIA
14. FBI
15. Congressional Health Care
16. Polio Vaccine
17. THE EPA
18. Social Security
19. Public Schools
20. Jail/Prison System
21. Corporate/Business Subsidies
22. Veteran's (VA) Health Care
23. Public Parks
24. All Elected Government Officials - From the Supreme Court, to the President of the United States and all the way down to the County Dog Catcher, taxpayers pay their salary and provide the funding for them to do their job. We pay for every aspect of their job. So in a sense, I guess you could say our whole country is run on socialism.
25. Food Stamps

There are 50 more such example quoted in this article which The U.S. Constitution supports and follows the guidelines, you just quoted: "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"
everyone


Now Steve I ask simply ask you which one of these Government run agencies are NOT supported by The U.S. Constitution by giving Congress the power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States.

Which one of these programs in this report that DON'T FOLLOW THESE GUIDELINES SET FORTH BY THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, Steve?
Sunday, March 10th 2019 at 6:37PM
Deacon Ron Gray
According to your definition Ron, was ancient Egypt a Socialist nation?

Sunday, March 10th 2019 at 7:59PM
Steve Williams
So, you can’t answer this question: “Which one of these programs in this report that DON'T FOLLOW THESE GUIDELINES SET FORTH BY THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, Steve WHY?”


Sunday, March 10th 2019 at 10:29PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Your question is not about Socialism Ron, it's about our Constitutional Union, which is a fine subject but not the one I want to talk about here and now. I'd like to know when Socialism started.

Sunday, March 10th 2019 at 10:58PM
Steve Williams
Sir, with all due respect, using this blog as reference, each one of these 75 programs are run on and by tax payer dollar, which was brought out to be a clear understanding, that each one of the fore mentioned program and departments of The Government of The United States is classified as a form of socialism in this country.


Monday, March 11th 2019 at 10:36AM
Deacon Ron Gray
You've really snookered yourself haven't you Ron? You really think that by spinning this fiction that America has been Socialist since its founding, you can convince the American people there's nothing to fear from Socialistic Democrats in 2020?

Monday, March 11th 2019 at 10:47AM
Steve Williams
Sir, with all due respect, using this blog as reference, each one of these 75 programs are run on and by tax payer dollar, which was brought out to be a clear understanding, that each one of the fore mentioned programs and departments of The Government of The United States is classified as a form of socialism in this country under the guidelines and backed up by the U.S. Constitution as my proof.

Steve, I am talking about socialism supported by The U.S. Constitution.

“Which one of these programs in this report that DON'T FOLLOW THESE GUIDELINES SET FORTH BY THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, can you tell the people on Black In America which ones, Steve?"

NOW, Answer my question and if you can't answer this question, then you need to review and rethink this question" Do you see anywhere in these words Ron, the idea of "socialism"?


Monday, March 11th 2019 at 10:54AM
Deacon Ron Gray
You are welcome to vote for the Socialists in 2020 Ron but I will not. Socialism is un-American.

Monday, March 11th 2019 at 11:17AM
Steve Williams
“Which one of these programs in this report that DON'T FOLLOW THESE GUIDELINES SET FORTH BY THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, can you tell the people on Black In America which ones, Steve?"

So, you can't answer my simple and direct question, after you tried your best to run around and then ran from that CONSTITUTIONAL question on it's merit. THE ANSWER IS: "THEY ALL DO, IS THE ANSWER".

ALL 75 PROGRAMS OF THEM DO, ALL 75 of those program are a form of SOCIALISM STEVE and I know what I am welcome to do.

YOU SAID THIS: Socialism is un-American.

Steve, when given the opportunity to prove your point that Socialism is un-American, you could not REFUTE a thing that I said or prove any thing that you said.

Interesting...



Once against Steve, you have come to the strongest people, with the weakest of BULL💩 🙈🙉🐵 on this topic. WOW!!!

Monday, March 11th 2019 at 11:50AM
Deacon Ron Gray
What you've proven Ron is that you are scared to death of the backlash against the Socialists in your party. I don't blame you, America will never be a Socialist nation.

Monday, March 11th 2019 at 11:56AM
Steve Williams
"America will never be a socialist nation" . Is exactly what Trump says. America is already half socialist. Capitalism is failing because wealth inequality is rampant.
Monday, March 11th 2019 at 12:02PM
CR Minister
Stop trying to change the subject Steve: “Which one of these programs in this report that DON'T FOLLOW THESE GUIDELINES SET FORTH BY THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, can you tell the people on Black In America which ones, Steve?"


Monday, March 11th 2019 at 12:23PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Mr. CR Minister,

Are you so stupid that you can’t see capitalism and pollution are two different things? No matter how many companies pollutes the environment the definition of capitalism will stand since capitalism and pollution are two different things!

Again, can’t you see that capitalism and pollution are two different things!

What say you!

Monday, March 11th 2019 at 1:34PM
Harry Watley
WOW!!!

Monday, March 11th 2019 at 2:02PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Capitalism will continue to thrive as long as Trump is President, and there is no indication America will swayed by your Socialistic propaganda campaign.

Monday, March 11th 2019 at 2:13PM
Steve Williams
Stop trying to change the subject Steve: “Which one of these programs in this report that DON'T FOLLOW THESE GUIDELINES SET FORTH BY THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, can you tell the people on Black In America which ones, Steve?"

Which one of these 75 socialist systems that have been in effect over 70 years and work alongside the capitalist system, which keeps the country running smoothly and equally. Which one?



Monday, March 11th 2019 at 2:24PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Fine Ron, I'll start with this one.

7. Student Loans and Grants

Student loans and grants are not "for the... general Welfare of the United States."

Monday, March 11th 2019 at 3:41PM
Steve Williams
Steve, are you telling me and the people on Black In America that you don't believe this statement:

7. Student Loans and Grants - Did you go to College? If you did, your family might not have been rich enough to pay your way through. So you got your education anyway through student loans and grants from the federal government at taxpayer expense. Of course you have to pay back the loans, but if not the government, did you know anyone else who was going to lend you tens of thousands of dollars? Probably not. So the taxpayers lent you the money and you paid it back with slight interest. The government grants you accepted were gifts from the taxpayer and the federal government that you did not have to pay back. Socialism got you through school.


Steve are you really telling us that, you don't belief that last paragraph?


Monday, March 11th 2019 at 5:10PM
Deacon Ron Gray
I do not believe that paragraph Ron, absolutely not. Education is a responsibility and a benefit for each State, not the Federal government.

Monday, March 11th 2019 at 6:13PM
Steve Williams
You really don't get out much when you was young, Damn!

The U.S. Department of Education (ED) offers a variety of federal grants to students attending four-year colleges or universities, community colleges, and career schools https://studentaid.ed.gov/sa/types/grants-scholarships

What is a federal Pell Grant?

driverlayer.comFederal Pell Grants. Federal Pell Grants usually are awarded only to undergraduate students who display exceptional financial need and have not earned a bachelor's or a professional degree: https://studentaid.ed.gov/sa/types/grants-scholarships/pell

U.S. Department of Education https://www2.ed.gov/fund/grants-apply.html

I just gave you three links that the U.S. Government Control Grants programs that you say is a responsibility and a benefit for each State, not the Federal government.

Now tell me you don't believe my proof that Socialism got many American people through school.

Believe those LINKS, Steve.



Monday, March 11th 2019 at 7:26PM
Deacon Ron Gray
You have a problem interpreting the Constitution Ron. What do you think the words "general Welfare of the United States" means? Do you know why we have a Constitution that governs a Union of States? For your information I got my degree from West Chester State College, a public college in the Pennsylvania state college system and subsidized by the State. To pay my tuition I worked my way through school, at the end working full time as well as school full time. I graduated with zero debt Ron.

Monday, March 11th 2019 at 8:30PM
Steve Williams
Oh year, and we had our first child a year before I graduated. Many of your Socialist candidates have followed Sherrod Brown's lead and adopted the "dignity of work" talking point. Too bad you don't believe in it.

Monday, March 11th 2019 at 8:34PM
Steve Williams
Do you see those three links that I post for your review? In the first link I show you that Federal Grants and Scholarships are free money to help pay for college or career school are available for The General Welfare for the benefits to the people of the United States." MORE EVIDENCE...

The second link is The U.S. Department of Education which is plain to see this department is coveted under the Constitution. Here you will find evidence of a Federal Pell Grants are usually awarded only to undergraduate students. MORE EVIDENCE...

Now that third link is more evidence of the U.S. Government programs Find Programs by Eligibility. Steve, these are Government Education Programs that helps the mass of The American young get a Education, which you can not REFUTE.


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Monday, March 11th 2019 at 9:10PM
Deacon Ron Gray
None of those programs are for the general welfare of the United States.

P.S. The United States currently comprise 50 States. The "United States" does not refer to a population, it refers to LEGAL JURISDICTIONS.

Monday, March 11th 2019 at 11:17PM
Steve Williams
Where is your proof that states None of those programs are for the general welfare of the United States, can you show me and the people on Black In America that None of those programs are for the general welfare for the people of the United States when these the people of The United States, are collectively paying for these programs.

Now if you got that proof, showing that my evidence is not right or incorrect, then show it, talk is cheap but proof is truth in action.

Prove IT Steve.


Tuesday, March 12th 2019 at 10:01AM
Deacon Ron Gray

Where is your proof that states None of those programs are for the general welfare of the United States, can you show me and the people on Black In America that None of those programs are for the general welfare for the people of the United States when these the people of The United States, are collectively paying for these programs.

Now if you got that proof, showing that my evidence is not right or incorrect, then show it, talk is cheap but proof is truth in action.

Prove IT Steve!

Tuesday, March 12th 2019 at 10:50AM
Deacon Ron Gray
The American people are not served well when their taxes are improperly spent. You've proved nothing with your argument Ron.

Tuesday, March 12th 2019 at 12:12PM
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