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Dayton shooter used a gun that may have exploited an ATF loophole (261 hits)

Will the device on Connor Betts' weapon, called a "pistol brace," become the next bump stock in nation's gun control debate?

Here's what we know about the AR-15 style .223 caliber firearm used in the Dayton shooting Sunday:

It was legally purchased by Betts' from an online retailer in Texas. It then was transferred to him by a local firearms dealer who would be required to perform a background check, police said.
Nothing on Betts' criminal record would have prevented him from buying a gun.
He used legal-to-own 100-round drum magazines.
The lower receiver, which houses the trigger, was made by Anderson Manufacturing in Hebron, Kentucky. Under federal law, the lower receiver is the gun. Purchasing a lower receiver requires a background check. All other parts of guns, such as barrels and stocks, can be bought legally off the shelf or online.
Betts could have had as many as 250 rounds in his possession; he fired at least 41 rounds in about 30 seconds.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/crime/crime-and-courts/2019/08/05/dayton-shooter-used-gun-may-have-exploited-atf-loophole/1920506001/
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Monday, August 12th 2019 at 4:16PM
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Yes, it seems any attempt to ban or restrict 2nd Amendment …. will be a Fantasy attempt

…..Hey I say....the more the merrier...…..technicals and all of it...…………..!

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Off the subject a little....sorry

…...you almost as old as me...did you see Beto as a jfk impersonator....?

His speech, cadence and hair seem Irish-kennedy and of course "O'Rourke" name is Irish.....

Am I wrong...? or close?


Sunday, August 18th 2019 at 2:12PM
robert powell
I was struck with the same thought about Beto, even more so recently it seems. I don't see what the attraction is.

Back on topic, from what I can tell the Dayton shooter bought an AR-15 pistol and added this stabilizer:

https://www.kakindustry.com/shockwave

The theory is it won't be held to the shoulder. Except for this feature it would be classified as an SBR, a short barrel rifle, that has to be registered under the NFA. Without the stabilizer there is just the buffer tube sticking out.

Sunday, August 18th 2019 at 3:07PM
Steve Williams
Don't know if you're familiar with the AR - it breaks down into upper and lower assemblies, that's how Betts hid it in his backpack.

Sunday, August 18th 2019 at 3:11PM
Steve Williams

no thanks for the info.....I know that this subject is insanely controversial, even though it shouldn’t be.

It’s the same as getting upset over Ford versus Chevy. US-USA Citizens have 350,000,000+ guns....

….probably 100,000,000 Long guns....LOOK out DEER!


Monday, August 19th 2019 at 8:12AM
robert powell
Look out people of color.


Monday, August 19th 2019 at 10:06AM
Deacon Ron Gray
Look out colored people?

Monday, August 19th 2019 at 10:20AM
Steve Williams
Because The young White Supremus crazies are coming for you. Guns don't pull the trigger, people do. We have a mentally problem in this country said Trump.

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Monday, August 19th 2019 at 10:31AM
Deacon Ron Gray
Ron, do you think Congress will "do something" about "universal" background checks?

Monday, August 19th 2019 at 11:28AM
Steve Williams
YES!!!

Do you think Congress will "do something" about "universal" background checks?



Monday, August 19th 2019 at 11:51AM
Deacon Ron Gray
It's hard to say Ron. What is the Constitutional support for Universal Background Checks?

Monday, August 19th 2019 at 1:09PM
Steve Williams
Hard to say Steve, is the Constitution the law of the land to protect the people of The United States of America?

"universal background checks" are a legal requirement that any gun sale - any at all - require the buyer to undergo a background check. Now, federal law mandates that anyone who sells guns for a living (such a person would have a Federal Firearms License) has to perform a background check to sell anyone a gun.

Thus, any transfer of title (as it were) of a firearm from one person to another must involve a background check.. Continue reading at: https://aliengearholsters.com/blog/universal-background-checks/




Monday, August 19th 2019 at 2:00PM
Deacon Ron Gray

Look out people of color.


Monday, August 19th 2019 at 10:06AM
Deacon Ron Gray

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COLORED'white OR black OR yellow OR red' by RACISTLY IGNORANT folk?


Monday, August 19th 2019 at 2:44PM
robert powell
My question Ron is, what gives the federal government the right to require the states to do background checks?

Monday, August 19th 2019 at 2:48PM
Steve Williams
Hey Robert, as you can see, they are throwing There young White Supremus crazies are coming for you under the BUS when mass shootings happens.

Do you agree with this statement: "Guns don't pull the trigger, people do. We have a mental problem in this country said Trump?"





Monday, August 19th 2019 at 3:00PM
Deacon Ron Gray

Dayton shooter used a gun that may have exploited an ATF loophole

SUBJECT

…..Hey I say....the more the merrier

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Sorry steve, I pull in COWARDLY Racist Blockers of Constitution... that use anothers BLog to go

OFF SUBJECT...Like the deacon of WHAT?....

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yes...."....Robert.....they are throwing There young White Supremus crazies are coming for you under the BUS

when mass shootings happens.

Do you agree with this statement:

"Guns don't pull the trigger, people do. We have a mental problem in this country said Trump?" …"

Monday, August 19th 2019 at 3:00PM
Deacon Ron Gray

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At BIA, an African American Family site I have been writing BEFORE 2008 that all RACISTLY IGNORANT

folk are insane...The Creator of Adaam(as) made no COLORED divisions...

...AND yes, people that are racistlyIgnorant pull triggers and LIKE are Racists have a severe mentally

Challenging problem...…

PS

if they shooting me, why

"..throwing There young White Supremus crazies are coming for you under the BUS …"

reads racistlyIgnorant to me.....!




Monday, August 19th 2019 at 8:10PM
robert powell
Let us keep military style weapons out of the hands of the hands of the Mentally Ill, violent felons due to their own pass record, murders, Wife beaters and The Young among us.


Thursday, August 22nd 2019 at 11:06AM
Deacon Ron Gray
We already do that Ron. It's called the National Firearms Act.


Thursday, August 22nd 2019 at 6:31PM
Steve Williams
Those loopholes need to be closed.


Thursday, August 22nd 2019 at 11:26PM
Deacon Ron Gray
There are no loopholes for military style weapons Ron. You have to go through a process that takes months and months to get a military style weapon.

Friday, August 23rd 2019 at 10:02AM
Steve Williams


Can you define this "military style weapons"..."murders and The Young among us.....?"

….You never or cannot answer a question.....seems that is why you write this nonsense....

".....military style weapons out of the hands of the hands of the Mentally Ill, violent felons.....

murders, Wife beaters and The Young among us...…"

Thursday, August 22nd 2019 at 11:06AM
Deacon Ron Gray

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deacon grammar...…"The Young among us....?"

OR

young mentally ill murderers OR wife(gal-guy) beaters

....Can you translate this from deacon russianGrammar….to English Grammar.....?



Friday, August 23rd 2019 at 10:48AM
robert powell
AK-47, A.R. 15 is a military style weapons Bobby.

A murderer, is a person with a record of KILLING

And the young among us Means 21 and older.

Do you understand robert?





Friday, August 23rd 2019 at 3:44PM
Deacon Ron Gray

The AK series of rifles are designed for Soviet/Russian, not U.S. military needs.

…...For your folk back in Moscow.....after ww2

As...philosophy, the Kalashnikov designed..maintained..operated by untrained conscripts...

In contrast...U.S. military uses M16 series....and places a much higher emphasis on training, marksmanship,

..Very few of our NATO allies use the AK series thus USA would not have ammunition or parts

commonality with them.

The AR-15 started by the Fairchild Aircraft Corporation in 1957...used in Vietnam Conflict 63-67

…..Remember "to stop communist domino"...

2019 Communist Socialist Vietnam is unified and USA Ally

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…..as always deacon of WHAT?

your writing is devoid of englishGrammar and Educated thought....Misconceptions...…

AR and AK are NOT, and haven't been for 55 YEARS military!

…..they can be used, AS I Might, to defend one's property-self against trump$ette crazyMinds...

AND they can be used for the Boy Scouts of American Merit badge in Rifle Shooting.....

….Most of my boys got their Rifle Shooting; Boy Scouts of American Merit badge before

highSchool graduation

...IS'NT America a great nation of gun shooting sportsmen/women/trans?



Friday, August 23rd 2019 at 6:06PM
robert powell
YOUR REPLY: The AK series of rifles are designed for Soviet/Russian, not U.S. military needs.

MY REPLY: Who gives a damn robert what country this military style assault weapons was made for. These weapons are here and was brought our gun shows and they are used to kill our children, Americans.


Friday, August 23rd 2019 at 9:06PM
Deacon Ron Gray
YOUR REPLY: The AK series of rifles are designed for Soviet/Russian, not U.S. military needs.

MY REPLY: Who gives a damn robert what country this military style assault weapons was made from?

. These weapons are here, used in mass murders at our countries grade schools, gatherings and shopping malls and was bought from our gun shows and local gun shops, which they are used to kill our children, Americans.

Don't give me that BULL 💩 about no sportsmanship, when our children lay dead because of these young White Supremacy hate filled heathens getting access to these weapons.


Friday, August 23rd 2019 at 9:19PM
Deacon Ron Gray

Dayton shooter used a gun that may have exploited an ATF loophole

SUBJECT

…THERE are 350,000,000..American LOOPHOLES, and Insane folk...killing squirrels with AK-AR-Pistols

Hey I say....the more the merrier …. cause I need protection against INSANELY LYIN, Misconceiving,

Uneducated, deacon of WHAT RACIST Types....."BULL 💩"

..... Main SUBJECT matter of my comments AGAINST your IGNORANCE of what a weapon of war is....

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"......BULL 💩 about no sportsmanship, when our children lay dead because of these young White Supremacy

hate filled heathens getting access to these weapons....."

Friday, August 23rd 2019 at 9:19PM
Deacon Ron Gray

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With parkland, sandyhook, Dayton, columbine, elPaso, las vegas, and more for 30 YEARS.....

…….Maybe.... 120+ People-men/women/children

BUT...…..YOUR city alone, CHIRAQQ,.....in African-Hispanic American folk

1. has African/Hispanic American YOUTH killing African/Hispanic YOUTH in ONE summer more than 120+

2. has had COLORED'whiteBlackRED' US-PoLice Killing in ONE year African/Hispanic youth more than 120+

......….WITH....hand guns....NOT AK-AR.....

AK-AR are used in WOODS-30 YEARS to kill Moose, Mountain Lions, Bear and rabidAnimals in wild...120+

…..No, MY AK are for DEFENSE of my home/family/community for the 350,000,000 INSANELY, LYIN,

Uneducated, deacon of WHAT Racist types....."BULL 💩".....

…...Before you PASTE, NONSENSE at BIA, from your cnnMSNBCfox FAKE news...LEARN SOMETHING


Saturday, August 24th 2019 at 8:18AM
robert powell
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