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Okay, so it seems everyone is confused and spreading all kinds of misinformation about this simple phrase. It is not bribery, not extortion, not anything with any inherent value. It's two basic words, WHAT and FOR. QUID is the nominative case and QUO is the ablative case. It means "WHAT FOR WHAT". It refers to ANY kind of exchange, e.g. when you buy something at the grocery store. Like if you buy an APPLE for a DOLLAR. WHAT for WHAT.
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Let's see, WHAT does the United States get for $400 MILLION to Ukraine?

Saturday, November 9th 2019 at 11:20AM
Steve Williams
"Let's see, WHAT does the United States get for $400 MILLION to Ukraine?"

That is a good question Steve. Let's go back to the early 1990s, after the fall of the Soviet Union, the United States has consistently supplied foreign aid to Ukraine, partly to foster the pro-Western political and military links in a key country bordering Russia.

Also Ukraine is buying from in the U.S. market which keep's American's working, which keeps our economy going strong. That is a deal on what The U.S. to Ukraine, a lot of that monies is spent right here in The U.S.A.




Saturday, November 9th 2019 at 7:08PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Ron, Russia is as much a democracy as the United States or Ukraine. $400 MILLION isn't chump change you know. If Ukraine aided and abetted actors hostile to OUR democracy, the money would be better spent on OUR defense.

Saturday, November 9th 2019 at 8:33PM
Steve Williams
The question was not about chump change now with it, Steve?

Steve your question was: “Let's see, WHAT does the United States get for $400 MILLION to Ukraine?”

Now do Ukraine buys from from the U.S. market which keep's American's working, which keeps our economy going strong, is that right Steve?
Saturday, November 9th 2019 at 8:54PM
Deacon Ron Gray
I don't know what Ukraine buys from whom Ron. The $400 MILLION should go to some good use and not into the pockets of those who would do harm to our elections or are otherwise corrupt actors.

Saturday, November 9th 2019 at 9:36PM
Steve Williams
You have a very short attention span Steve, Because this topic is all about military funding was held up So, Ukraine could not buy U.S. Military tank busting missiles until Trump gets his favor though.




Saturday, November 9th 2019 at 11:09PM
Deacon Ron Gray

Quid Pro Quo

SUBJECT

……."WHAT FOR WHAT.....something for something....."

YES, and for BIA, an African American Family site....WHAT and something?

******************************************************************************************************

….Is that...WHAT?

Ukraine....is that Philadelphia, Ukraine....?

Ukraine....is that Baltimore, Ukraine.......?

Ukraine....is that Chicago, Ukraine.........?

Ukraine....is that Mississippi, Ukraine......?

….HOW about Los Angeles, Ukraine...……..?

To, this BIA, African American Family in Minnesota

....WE DO NOT or SHOULD ever have given "..What, something or anything.." to Ukraine...

Except these ukraineImmigrants in MN.

PS

Hunting season started yesterday....can the russianBOT deacon of WHAT...get me a; "tank busting missile"..?


Sunday, November 10th 2019 at 8:45AM
robert powell

Quid Pro Quo

SUBJECT

……."WHAT FOR WHAT.....something for something....."

YES, and for BIA, an African American Family site....WHAT and something?

******************************************************************************************************

….Is that...WHAT?

Ukraine....is that Philadelphia, Ukraine....?

Ukraine....is that Baltimore, Ukraine.......?

Ukraine....is that Chicago, Ukraine.........?

Ukraine....is that Mississippi, Ukraine......?

….HOW about Los Angeles, Ukraine...……..?

To, this BIA, African American Family in Minnesota

....WE DO NOT or SHOULD ever have given "..What, something or anything.." to Ukraine...

Except these ukraineImmigrants in Minnesota.....trump$etters

PS

Hunting season started yesterday...can the russianBOT deacon of WHAT...get us a; "tank busting missile"..?

….We are having a problem with deer carcasses with diseases....


Sunday, November 10th 2019 at 8:47AM
robert powell
You know for a FACT Mr. Powder that Ukraine is not Philadelphia, Baltimore, Chicago, Mississippi, Los Angeles or Minnesota. Mr. Powder. Ukraine is a United States ally do you understand that?


Sunday, November 10th 2019 at 9:12AM
Deacon Ron Gray
Robert, is that the appropriately named, Chronic Wasting Disease?

Sunday, November 10th 2019 at 9:30AM
Steve Williams
What was the favor Ron and who was the favor for?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf

Sunday, November 10th 2019 at 9:48AM
Steve Williams
Stop IT Steve, Stop acting like those heathens, you know exactly what Trump wanted and who it was for.




Sunday, November 10th 2019 at 10:03AM
Deacon Ron Gray
"I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot."

Ron, do you see the words "us" and "country"? Since you won't say it I will. President Trump was and is, acting in the interest of us, our country, the people of the United States of America.

Sunday, November 10th 2019 at 11:31AM
Steve Williams

Yes, seems like we have a serious problem as 100,000+ deer MANY with the disease have to be

destroyed even the bones....and if russianBOT deacon can get a missile

...THAT is something the selfProfessed deacon of WHAT can do for Americans....

*****************************************************************

Ukraine is a United States ally do you understand that?

Sunday, November 10th 2019 at 9:12AM
Deacon Ron Gray

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5 reviews of Mr Powder...

"Awesome service, work looks spectacular and accomplished in a very timely manner.

Everything completed on time and on budget. Highly recommend!"

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...I,RobertPowell have NEVER selfIdentified as mr.Powder; and I TAKE NOTHING away from the great co-Man

deacon of WHAT?....THAT is SOMETHING that is NEWS to me....Ally of WHAT?

1. Ukraine is not in NATO

2. The Great US-USA Congress and President Baraka Hussein Obama did nothing when russiaTOKE crimea

3. NATO and EU did nothing when russiaTOKE crimea

4. in Minnesota Ukrainian Immigrants are the MOST Racistly Ignorant group I have seen in Minnesota....

….I would think Mr. Powder would NOT care if Ukraine was on Planet Earth

I, Robert Powell, HAVE NEVER seen Ukrainians there or here as Decent Volk./…..


Sunday, November 10th 2019 at 12:11PM
robert powell
Steve, is this not true?:

During Trump’s call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in July, right after Zelensky said that his country was ready to buy more military equipment from the United States, Trump replied, “I would like you to do us a favor though.” Trump then began pressing Zelensky to work with Rudy Giuliani and Attorney General William Barr to investigate Joe Biden and his son, Hunter.

Team Trump has no proof or can't tell you or The people of The United States of America, that investigating of Joe Biden and his son is in the best interest of corruption in Ukraine, none.

If you got the proof, SHOW IT NOW on your next reply.


Sunday, November 10th 2019 at 3:45PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Ron, do you see the words "us" and "country"? How do you figure the President was acting in his own interest? Because Biden was corrupt in 2016 and is now a corrupt candidate for 2020?

Sunday, November 10th 2019 at 4:47PM
Steve Williams
Let's take a look at this sentence for a moment: " “I would like you to do us a favor though.” Now I do see the word "US."

I don't see country in this sentence, do you?

Steve, is this statement not true?:

During Trump’s call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in July, right after Zelensky said that his country was ready to buy more military equipment from the United States, Trump replied, “I would like you to do us a favor though.” Trump then began pressing Zelensky to work with Rudy Giuliani and Attorney General William Barr to investigate Joe Biden and his son, Hunter.

This is the second time that I have asked you this question and I have asked you to provide your proof in your next reply, and YOU have NOT answered that question YET, WHY?

I know the reason why but I will hold back until I give you ample time to answer my question.




Sunday, November 10th 2019 at 5:25PM
Deacon Ron Gray
I asked first Ron.

"I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot."

Ron, do you see the words "us" and "country"? Since you won't say it I will. President Trump was and is, acting in the interest of us, our country, the people of the United States of America.

Sunday, November 10th 2019 at 11:31AM
Steve Williams | delete

Sunday, November 10th 2019 at 5:29PM
Steve Williams
“I would like you to do us a favor, though, because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it," Trump said, in reference to those investigations.

“Whatever you can do, it’s very important that you do it if that’s possible,” Trump says.

Trump soon adds: “The other thing: There’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the prosecution, and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can so with the Attorney General would be great.”

OK! Now I do see both us and Country but Trump don't stop their, I also see this: about Biden’s son, which Trump has no proof of this defunct allegation.

Where is your proof Steve?


Sunday, November 10th 2019 at 6:05PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Let the Republicans call their witnesses if you want to see some proof Ron.

Sunday, November 10th 2019 at 6:42PM
Steve Williams
Now that I see both US and Country but Trump don't stop their, I also see this: about Biden’s son, which Trump has no proof of this defunct allegation.

Are you saying that you got the proof that the now defunct allegation of corruption of the Biden's has some validity to it?


Sunday, November 10th 2019 at 9:21PM
Deacon Ron Gray
I would like you to do us a favor, though, because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it," Trump said, in reference to those investigations.

“Whatever you can do, it’s very important that you do it if that’s possible,” Trump says.

Trump soon adds: “The other thing: There’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the prosecution, and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can so with the Attorney General would be great.”

OK! Now I do see both us and Country but Trump don't stop their, I also see this: about Biden’s son, which Trump has no proof of this defunct allegation.

Where is your proof Steve?

Are you saying that you got the proof that the now defunct allegation of corruption of the Biden's has some validity to it?

Because you have not provided any proof YET! You provide a link but that information was not talking about this subject. Steve, get your act together because all you are doing is throwing more 💩 on the wall, hoping that, this 💩 will fit. (LOL) Steve, you got to come better then that!!!


Sunday, November 10th 2019 at 9:52PM
Deacon Ron Gray
"The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me."

Ron, are you saying the video of Biden bragging about firing the prosecutor, has been defunked?

Sunday, November 10th 2019 at 9:54PM
Steve Williams
Maybe you didn't read the article at that link Ron. Let me see what more it says about Alexandra Chalupa, one of the Republican witnesses Schiff will no doubt fail to approve.

Sunday, November 10th 2019 at 10:02PM
Steve Williams
The reason why is, The U.S. and the International Monetary Fund asked for the firing of that prosecutor, is because The Obama Administration didn’t believe Shokin was doing enough to combat corruption in the Ukraine and the prosecutor was also facing severe criticism at home over perceptions that he or his subordinates were corrupt themselves.


Here's my answer, where is yours?

Sunday, November 10th 2019 at 10:34PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Is that why Yovanovitch blocked Shokin from getting a visa to come to the U.S. to meet with Giuliani?

Monday, November 11th 2019 at 12:34AM
Steve Williams
Remind me again Ron, what was your question?

Monday, November 11th 2019 at 1:07AM
Steve Williams
All you have to do is look at my last reply.


Monday, November 11th 2019 at 8:48AM
Deacon Ron Gray
Biden did a quid pro quo to get Shokin fired, to take the heat off Burisma and his son Hunter. You've seen the video Ron, that's the proof.

Monday, November 11th 2019 at 9:08AM
Steve Williams
Along with Eric Ciaramella, Hunter Biden will also be called as a witness, and possibly Joe Biden himself

Monday, November 11th 2019 at 9:10AM
Steve Williams
What is the connection Steve?
Monday, November 11th 2019 at 11:59AM
Deacon Ron Gray
The connection is that Biden used his office to benefit his son. Just like with Manafort, since Biden was corrupt in Ukraine in this instance he is without doubt involved in other corruption in Ukraine. The connection is that we have at least as much corruption in the United States government as there is in the Ukrainian government. Stop with the questions Ron and if you have something to say it then say it.

Monday, November 11th 2019 at 12:15PM
Steve Williams

The reason why is, The U.S. and the International Monetary Fund asked for the firing of that prosecutor, is because The Obama Administration didn’t believe Shokin was doing enough to combat corruption in the Ukraine and the prosecutor was also facing severe criticism at home over perceptions that he or his subordinates were corrupt themselves.

Steve, wasn't Biden back then representing the official position of the U.S. government, a position that was also supported by other Western governments and many in Ukraine, who accused Shokin of being soft on corruption?



Here's my answer, where is yours?
Monday, November 11th 2019 at 1:56PM
Deacon Ron Gray
This is why we take testimony Ron, to get at the truth. Yovanovitch didn't want Shokin to talk to Giuliani and that tells me the "official" story why Shokin was fired is suspect. That plus the fact that the international community was just following the United States' lead. John Durham will get to the bottom of Biden's extortion of Ukraine.

Monday, November 11th 2019 at 2:29PM
Steve Williams
Biden was representing the official position of the U.S. government, a position that was also supported by other Western governments and many in Ukraine, who accused Shokin of being soft on corruption?

In her testimony, former US Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch defended the decision to deny the former Ukrainian prosecutor general Viktor Shokin a visa to the US and suggested she was blindsided by Rudy Giuliani going to the White House and senior State Department officials to lobby on his behalf.

So, Yovanovitch did not trust Rudy from pass dealings, that's understandable because that is Rudy's style.




Monday, November 11th 2019 at 2:43PM
Deacon Ron Gray
The essence of this SCANDAL is who has the higher power, the Constitutional head of the Executive, the President, or career bureaucrats who work for the President, WHOEVER THE PRESIDENT MAY BE? The President has the AUTHORITY to designate WHOMEVER he wants to carry out HIS foreign policy.

Monday, November 11th 2019 at 3:57PM
Steve Williams
Steve, wasn't Biden representing the official position of the U.S. government, a position that was also supported by other Western governments and many in Ukraine, who accused Shokin of being soft on corruption?

In a Fox News interview on May 19, Trump claimed the former Ukrainian prosecutor “was after” Joe Biden’s son and that was why the former vice president demanded he be fired. There is no evidence of this.

Ukraine’s current prosecutor, Yuriy Lutsenko, was quoted by Bloomberg News in May as saying he had no evidence of wrongdoing by Biden or his son. Bloomberg also reported that the investigation into Burisma was dormant at the time Biden pressed for Shokhin’s ouster.

Now this is what the republicans is basing there investigation on, a debunked, deflated, punctured, quashed, story that the Republicans wants to resuscitate such a outlandish story, In short Steve, it's BULL💩.


Monday, November 11th 2019 at 5:18PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Solomon: These once-secret memos cast doubt on Joe Biden's Ukraine story

Former Vice President Joe Biden, now a 2020 Democratic presidential contender, has locked into a specific story about the controversy in Ukraine.

He insists that, in spring 2016, he strong-armed Ukraine to fire its chief prosecutor solely because Biden believed that official was corrupt and inept, not because the Ukrainian was investigating a natural gas company, Burisma Holdings, that hired Biden's son, Hunter, into a lucrative job.

There’s just one problem.

Hundreds of pages of never-released memos and documents — many from inside the American team helping Burisma to stave off its legal troubles — conflict with Biden’s narrative.

And they raise the troubling prospect that U.S. officials may have painted a false picture in Ukraine that helped ease Burisma’s legal troubles and stop prosecutors’ plans to interview Hunter Biden during the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

For instance, Burisma’s American legal representatives met with Ukrainian officials just days after Biden forced the firing of the country’s chief prosecutor and offered “an apology for dissemination of false information by U.S. representatives and public figures” about the Ukrainian prosecutors, according to the Ukrainian government’s official memo of the meeting. The effort to secure that meeting began the same day the prosecutor's firing was announced.

In addition, Burisma’s American team offered to introduce Ukrainian prosecutors to Obama administration officials to make amends, according to that memo and the American legal team’s internal emails.

The memos raise troubling questions:

1.) If the Ukraine prosecutor’s firing involved only his alleged corruption and ineptitude, why did Burisma's American legal team refer to those allegations as “false information?"

2.) If the firing had nothing to do with the Burisma case, as Biden has adamantly claimed, why would Burisma’s American lawyers contact the replacement prosecutor within hours of the termination and urgently seek a meeting in Ukraine to discuss the case?

Ukrainian prosecutors say they have tried to get this information to the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) since the summer of 2018, fearing it might be evidence of possible violations of U.S. ethics laws. First, they hired a former federal prosecutor to bring the information to the U.S. attorney in New York, who, they say, showed no interest. Then, the Ukrainians reached out to President Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani.

Ukraine’s new president, Volodymyr Zelensky, told Trump in July that he plans to launch his own wide-ranging investigation into what happened with the Bidens and Burisma.

“I’m knowledgeable about the situation,” Zelensky told Trump, asking the American president to forward any evidence he might know about. "The issue of the investigation of the case is actually the issue of making sure to restore the honesty so we will take care of that and will work on the investigation of the case.”

Biden has faced scrutiny since December 2015, when the New York Times published a story noting that Burisma hired Hunter Biden just weeks after the vice president was asked by President Obama to oversee U.S.-Ukraine relations. That story also alerted Biden’s office that Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin had an active investigation of Burisma and its founder.

Documents I obtained this year detail an effort to change the narrative after the Times story about Hunter Biden, with the help of the Obama State Department.

Hunter Biden’s American business partner in Burisma, Devon Archer, texted a colleague two days after the Times story about a strategy to counter the “new wave of scrutiny” and stated that he and Hunter Biden had just met at the State Department. The text suggested there was about to be a new “USAID project the embassy is announcing with us” and that it was “perfect for us to move forward now with momentum.”

I have sued the State Department for any records related to that meeting. The reason is simple: There is both a public interest and an ethics question to knowing if Hunter Biden and his team sought State’s assistance while his father was vice president.

The controversy ignited anew earlier this year when I disclosed that Joe Biden admitted during a 2018 videotaped speech that, as vice president in March 2016, he threatened to cancel $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, to pressure Ukraine’s then-President Petro Poroshenko to fire Shokin.

At the time, Shokin’s office was investigating Burisma. Shokin told me he was making plans to question Hunter Biden about $3 million in fees that Biden and his partner, Archer, collected from Burisma through their American firm. Documents seized by the FBI in an unrelated case confirm the payments, which in many months totaled more than $166,000.

Some media outlets have reported that, at the time Joe Biden forced the firing in March 2016, there were no open investigations. Those reports are wrong. A British-based investigation of Burisma's owner was closed down in early 2015 on a technicality when a deadline for documents was not met. But the Ukraine Prosecutor General's office still had two open inquiries in March 2016, according to the official case file provided me. One of those cases involved taxes; the other, allegations of corruption. Burisma announced the cases against it were not closed and settled until January 2017.

After I first reported it in a column, the New York Times and ABC News published similar stories confirming my reporting.

Joe Biden has since responded that he forced Shokin’s firing over concerns about corruption and ineptitude, which he claims were widely shared by Western allies, and that it had nothing to do with the Burisma investigation.

Some of the new documents I obtained call that claim into question.

In a newly sworn affidavit prepared for a European court, Shokin testified that when he was fired in March 2016, he was told the reason was that Biden was unhappy about the Burisma investigation. “The truth is that I was forced out because I was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into Burisma Holdings, a natural gas firm active in Ukraine and Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, was a member of the Board of Directors,” Shokin testified.

“On several occasions President Poroshenko asked me to have a look at the case against Burisma and consider the possibility of winding down the investigative actions in respect of this company but I refused to close this investigation,” Shokin added.

Shokin certainly would have reason to hold a grudge over his firing. But his account is supported by documents from Burisma’s legal team in America, which appeared to be moving into Ukraine with intensity as Biden’s effort to fire Shokin picked up steam.

Burisma’s own accounting records show that it paid tens of thousands of dollars while Hunter Biden served on the board of an American lobbying and public relations firm, Blue Star Strategies, run by Sally Painter and Karen Tramontano, who both served in President Bill Clinton’s administration.

Just days before Biden forced Shokin’s firing, Painter met with the No. 2 official at the Ukrainian embassy in Washington and asked to meet officials in Kiev around the same time that Joe Biden visited there. Ukrainian embassy employee Oksana Shulyar emailed Painter afterward: “With regards to the meetings in Kiev, I suggest that you wait until the next week when there is an expected vote of the government’s reshuffle.”

Ukraine’s Washington embassy confirmed the conversations between Shulyar and Painter but said the reference to a shakeup in Ukrainian government was not specifically referring to Shokin’s firing or anything to do with Burisma.

Painter then asked one of the Ukraine embassy’s workers to open the door for meetings with Ukraine’s prosecutors about the Burisma investigation, the memos show. Eventually, Blue Star would pay that Ukrainian official money for his help with the prosecutor's office.

At the time, Blue Star worked in concert with an American criminal defense lawyer, John Buretta, who was hired by Burisma to help address the case in Ukraine. The case was settled in January 2017 for a few million dollars in fines for alleged tax issues.

Buretta, Painter, Tramontano, Hunter Biden and Joe Biden’s campaign have not responded to numerous calls and emails seeking comment.

On March 29, 2016, the day Shokin’s firing was announced, Buretta asked to speak with Yuriy Sevruk, the prosecutor named to temporarily replace Shokin, but was turned down, the memos show.

Blue Star, using the Ukrainian embassy worker it had hired, eventually scored a meeting with Sevruk on April 6, 2016, a week after Shokin’s firing. Buretta, Tramontano and Painter attended that meeting in Kiev, according to Blue Star’s memos.

Sevruk memorialized the meeting in a government memo that the general prosecutor’s office provided to me, stating that the three Americans offered an apology for the “false” narrative that had been provided by U.S. officials about Shokin being corrupt and inept.

“They realized that the information disseminated in the U.S. was incorrect and that they would facilitate my visit to the U.S. for the purpose of delivering the true information to the State Department management,” the memo stated.

The memo also quoted the Americans as saying they knew Shokin pursued an aggressive corruption investigation against Burisma’s owner, only to be thwarted by British allies: “These individuals noted that they had been aware that the Prosecutor General’s Office of Ukraine had implemented all required steps for prosecution … and that he was released by the British court due to the underperformance of the British law enforcement agencies.”

The memo provides a vastly different portrayal of Shokin than Biden's. And its contents are partially backed by subsequent emails from Blue Star and Buretta that confirm the offer to bring Ukrainian authorities to meet the Obama administration in Washington.

For instance, Tramontano wrote the Ukrainian prosecution team on April 16, 2016, saying U.S. Justice Department officials, including top international prosecutor Bruce Swartz, might be willing to meet. “The reforms are not known to the US Justice Department and it would be useful for the Prosecutor General to meet officials in the US and share this information directly,” she wrote.

Buretta sent a similar email to the Ukrainians, writing that “I think you would find it productive to meet with DOJ officials in Washington” and providing contact information for Swartz. “I would be happy to help,” added Buretta, a former senior DOJ official.

Burisma, Buretta and Blue Star continued throughout 2016 to try to resolve the open issues in Ukraine, and memos recount various contacts with the State Department and the U.S. embassy in Kiev seeking help in getting the Burisma case resolved.

Just days before Trump took office, Burisma announced it had resolved all of its legal issues. And Buretta gave an interview in Ukraine about how he helped navigate the issues.

Today, two questions remain.

One is whether it was ethically improper or even illegal for Biden to intervene to fire the prosecutor handling Burisma’s case, given his son’s interests. That is one that requires more investigation and the expertise of lawyers.

The second is whether Biden has given the American people an honest accounting of what happened. The new documents I obtained raise serious doubts about his story’s credibility. And that’s an issue that needs to be resolved by voters.

John Solomon is an award-winning investigative journalist whose work over the years has exposed U.S. and FBI intelligence failures before the Sept. 11 attacks, federal scientists’ misuse of foster children and veterans in drug experiments, and numerous cases of political corruption. He serves as an investigative columnist and executive vice president for video at The Hill. Follow him on Twitter @jsolomonReports.

Monday, November 11th 2019 at 5:51PM
Steve Williams
Steve, this is good information but where in this report answers my question:

Steve, wasn't Biden representing the official position of the U.S. government, a position that was also supported by other Western governments and many in Ukraine, who accused Shokin of being soft on corruption?


Monday, November 11th 2019 at 7:14PM
Deacon Ron Gray
If you had read the article Ron you would know the answer is NO.

Monday, November 11th 2019 at 7:59PM
Steve Williams
Then what happen in Trump's case?


Monday, November 11th 2019 at 8:21PM
Deacon Ron Gray
In Trump's case he is investigating 2016 election interference. It was okay with the "resistance" as long as they were doing it so fair is fair.

Monday, November 11th 2019 at 9:17PM
Steve Williams
Can't you see Steve, that will be looked at, as the cover-up.


Tuesday, November 12th 2019 at 9:24AM
Deacon Ron Gray
I don't see any coverup Ron. On the contrary, Trump is the most transparent President ever.

Tuesday, November 12th 2019 at 10:22AM
Steve Williams
I can't believe that you would say something like that, when you said: "Trump is the most transparent President ever.

Steve, How many LIES has Trump told The American people to date?


Tuesday, November 12th 2019 at 4:04PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Trump didn't have to release the memcon but he did because he had nothing to hide. The Democrats will never be able to save face now and the voters will remember when they go to the polls next year.

Tuesday, November 12th 2019 at 5:38PM
Steve Williams
Steve, How many LIES has Trump told The American people to date? Since you brought up transparency.


Tuesday, November 12th 2019 at 10:44PM
Deacon Ron Gray
I'm well aware of your bogus lie count Ron. Trump has told no important lies, no lies of any significance. None.

Tuesday, November 12th 2019 at 11:41PM
Steve Williams
The relevant point at this juncture Ron, given that you are bringing your accusers to the House tomorrow, is did the President keep faith with America in his dealings with Ukraine.

Tuesday, November 12th 2019 at 11:47PM
Steve Williams
MY QUESTION: Steve, How many LIES has Trump told The American people to date? Since you brought up transparency.

YOUR REPLY:: Trump has told no important lies, no None.

MY REPLY: What is a "IMPORTANT LIE? No lies of any significance and then in the very next breath, you say NONE.

Steve clean that 💩 out of your eye's Steve, this is documented proof of the number of LIES told to the people of The United States of America by our very own president, cant you see that?

Steve, a quick internet search reveals that Trump has told the American people more than 10,000 false or misleading claims, NO LIES.

Report: Trump Has Told More Than 10,000 Lies Since Being Inaugurated https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/04/29/president-trump-has-made-more-than-false-or-misleading-claims/

I am sure that you remember this LIE. The lie TRUMP TOLD: “Because I don’t know if you know, they had a permit. The other group didn’t have a permit. So I only tell you this. There are two sides to a story.”

There are often two sides to a story, but frequently one side is just plain wrong. Outside of the obvious problem with having the President of the United States of America stumping for a massive group of white nationalists, he told a lie in the process. According to Politifact, the Washington Post had published a document showing that counter-protesters had indeed applied for and received a permit to protest against the Neo-Nazi’s and white nationalists holding tiki torches in Charlottesville, Virginia.

This has been one of the more difficult moments of Trump’s tenure in the White House. Overlooking, for a moment, the rhetoric that plagued his campaign, this was the first time the president officially and publicly defended the actions of people waving Confederate flags and wearing Nazi armbands.

Take a look at the proof and I got more of Trump's LIES that he told Steve, want to see some of them?



Wednesday, November 13th 2019 at 9:17AM
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