Is it true that you get what you reach for?

Hello Earl,

Yes, I really do believe we are ready. We will start coming together when no one would expect it. Anyway, yes, we are ready.

My focus is now on some small Black leaders and few you big leaders. I am showing them that what they think is our solution does not come close to my permanent solution of sovereignty.

Some say it is impossible, and I tell them that what is impossible for us must become the possible if we are to ever be free and real people.

What say you?

Hello Irma,

You asked, does reaching and very hard work mean the same thing. Yes, reaching and hard work goes hand in hand.

Next, you asked, is sovereignty something that I want and can use in your daily life as a good thing or just to put up a front to impress others? Emphatically yes, I want sovereignty. As far as you thinking that, I am trying to impressing others, absolutely not.

Lastly, you said you have never failed so far at any goal that you have set for your self (smile). If this is true and I have no reason not to believe you, I am impressed by your accomplishments.

Anyway, I am telling you, we are going to become a sovereign people, not because racism still exist for us, but because God has granted me the desires of my heart. I want for us to know and experience what it is like to brave that natural obstacles life hurls at a sovereign country every day that pursue Life, Liberty, Happiness, and Prosperity on their own accord.

Furthermore, God had inspired me to know that our only permanent solution to ever becoming a real people is to first desire to become a sovereign people on a portion of this continent that we can call our very own country with borders.

What say you?

Hard work, persistance, steady faith and a arm with a hand! You can reach if you don't faint and give up on your endeavors.

Hello Mr. Fleming,

You emphasize that I should really reach for enlightenment, I would suppose that you literally mean this. Well, I have told you that God constantly inspires and guides me in the direction of our sovereignty. I have the greatest source of enlightenment. I know that from your perspective, I sound like an ordinary hyped up John Doe on a soapbox. However, that is not the case. This is real, as real as when Moses returned to Egypt to lead his people out of bondage. What is required of you is your faith and confidence in me.

Next, you wanted to know, what purpose Black Americans’ separation would serve. Well, let us not look at the situation as separation, you make it seems that an ugly and horrible thing is happening.

Let me use this example, and let us look at it as when wild life conservationists returning an endangered species back to its natural environment, everyone standing around rejoices in happiness for the animal.

In other words, we want to know and experience what it is a like to brave the natural obstacles that life hurdles at a once enslaved and now subjugated people when the inborn desire becomes strong enough in them to pursue Life, Liberty, Happiness, and Prosperity for themselves.

Thus, God is providing Black Americans, who are descendents of slaves a proper and natural human habitation, which is a portion of this continent that we may flourish by our own hands and worship God in our own way, the same as what God did for Moses and the Hebrew people.

What say you?

What say you?

Hello Ms. Shields,

You are correct. What you said, remind me of Job’s qualities.

Do you desire to see our future generations, a sovereign people on a portion of this continent that we can call our very own country with borders and prosperous?

What say you?

Hello Mr. Fleming,

I beg to differ with you. Black Americans can accomplish none of the things I listed, while Black Americans lives under White America.

The purpose of sovereignty is that we cannot accomplish anything in a subjugated setting. On the other hand, even if White America would feed us breakfast in bed, we still do not want that. We want to know and experience what it feels like to brave the natural obstacles that life hurls at a sovereign people to be prosperous on their own.

In other words, you cannot teach a baby to walk. The toddler must learn on its own, by taking the bumps and bruises until the child can balance itself on its own two legs. Do you understand? Likewise, we need to feel the bumps and bruises ourselves as White Americans felt the bumps and bruises from their early days as a colony to a full-fledged sovereign nation today.

We do not want to be in the position that when White America fails, we automatically fail as well. We do not want to be in the circumstances that when White America is prosperous we get the crumbs that fall from their table. Do you understand? We wants to walk on our own, it is high time that this happens for us.

What say you?

Hello Mr. Fleming,

You did not understand the core meaning I made about the toddler walking on his own; neither did you understand the nucleus of what I meant about God providing a natural and proper human habitation for Black Americans. You did not understand the consequences when I said that Black Americans prospers only when White American prosper. You did not understand the heart of I want Black Americans to prosper on their own accord. You do not understand that I want Black Americans to have a flag flying at the United Nations building alongside the flags of other sovereign countries.

So, let me make it is simple as possible again for you. I want Black Americans to become sovereign people to pursue Life, Liberty, Happiness, and Prosperity for ourselves. How difficult is that to understand?

Talking to you is as if I am talking to a brick wall, and please do not take it offensively. I can find no other way to express myself.

I am not talking about servitude, or a Black man as president. Why are you complicating matters?

What say you?

HARRY, HARRY, HARRY....

Hello Mozell,

Let you and I start all over again. The question of my blog asks is it true that you get what you reach for. I said, since this is a positive statement, then suppose, if Dr. King had reached for the sovereignty of Black Americans on a portion of this continent instead of Civil Rights and affirmative actions, would Dr. King and Black Americans be better off today, yes or no?

Do you believe that Black Americans should be sovereign today?

What say you?

Hello Irma,

Well, Irma I understand why you would say that you have everything that you need to be happy, safe and secure for your lifetime. Well, 200 years ago, many slaves after the Emancipation Proclamation, said the same thing. Also, 4000 years ago, many Hebrews said the same thing to Moses. You remember when they Hebrews were in the desert and experiencing a hard time fending for themselves, they said to Moses, that they would have been better off if they had stayed in Egypt? Have not learned anything from the story of Moses?

However, I know different and so did Moses. Because of a lack of knowledge, wisdom, and understanding is why you think you cannot do better.

Now, you ask me what sovereignty to me is. Firstly, individuals and not sovereign, and for the most part neither are people without a country of their own. The country is what secures the sovereignty of its citizens from outsider elements. Consequentially sovereignty to me is to be secured in a country of my own.

What say you?

Hello Siebra,

Well, how are you Ms. Muhammad doing? Anyway, I hope a positive feeling motivated your expression Harry, Harry and Harry.

What say you?

Hello Mozell,

Anytime a thought of progress and advancement is conceived the time is right for that project.

Take for example, if the Wright brothers had thought that the time was not right to make the move to venture into aviation, White America would never have been the first country to land a man on the moon.

The wheels in your head needs lubricating, please take no offense.

What say you?

Hello Ms. Irma,

My point to you was that you would not know what is missing in your life, because you lack vision and the desire to advance and improve.

How many times have you heard Black parents discouraged their children? How many times have you heard Black parents why they need this or that since they have everything in the house?

You do not seem to get Spirit of anything I say.

What say you?

Hello Mozell,

I am glad that you took no offense of my straightforwardness. Most importantly, you understood the point, which means that together you and I can advance.

Now suppose our entire population of Black Americans can be multiplied by you and I on the point that when a good idea is conceived the time is right to move on that idea would mean progress and advancement on a whole scale level we would not be in the predicament we have always been in.

But, when we begin to argue, bicker and nitpicking at each other no one advance, anywhere.

For instance, look at what is going on between Mr. Irma and I, nothing but bickering and nitpicking.

Most Black Americans are like that, we complicates everything and argues over nothing. At the end of the day, no advancements are made and our race stays primitive, while other races advance.

What say you?

Hello Iram,

Iram either you do not naturally understand what I say or you do not want to understand. You have never definitively showed me that I was wrong about anything I have ever said to you. All you have ever done was look for ways to bicker and nitpick.

For instance, I contrasted you to the Hebrew people fussing and bickering with Moses in the desert when they found it difficult finding food and water. However, they did not have the insight to understand that they had over come their greatest hurdle, which was to leave Egypt and become a sovereign people and of course, it would not be without trials and tribulations.

Instead of trying to understand what I was saying, you chose to bicker and nitpick some more with me that Moses had not done anything for you. Therefore, you missed the entire point, because the point was not about what Moses did for you.

It would have been intelligent and interesting on your part if you could have definitively showed that I was wrong. But, you do not dialogue with me in good faith and honesty.

When you can definitive show right and wrong, leave the bickering, and nitpicking out of the dialoguing, then both parties cannot help but to progress.

What say you?

Hello Mozell,

You have missed my point, and that is. I do not want you taking any stupid shots at me just for the sake of it. Take a shot at me when I am wrong, and you can definitively back up what you say. I will then submit to you that I am wrong.

I told you before that Negroes will take shots at each other just for the hell of it, which creates complications and discourse, which you think, is a part of life.

The wheels in your head need lubricating.

Discourse is something to be avoided. You should know and practice these things because you are old enough to know better.

In addition, my point is not about taking it to any senior citizens.

I want us to become a more intelligently civilized people.

What say you?

"I want us to become a more intelligently civilized people. "

Mr. Watley, you know that in 1865 when our slave ancestors told the World and our European masters that if one steals a civilized and intelligent man and woman from Africa you can then rape their babies, torture them, mutilate them and imprision them for generations, then that free descendant will become a wanabe whitechristian frankinstein monster.
This action alone allowed whitesupremacy to be born..............
This did a disservice to europeans, asians, africans and all men. This was a crime against humanity. So therefore these descendants should either stay as they are or be reconditioned by another civilized intelligent people other than Europeans.

Said

Robert, I read your replies often, and while I don't always agree with what you say all of the time, I must say you have a point in the statement you just made there.

Harry, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there is absolutely nothing positive about this blog at all. This is what motivated me to say "HARRY, HARRY, HARRY" and lean back and laugh because while I don't doubt you are an intelligent person, you continue to make fallacy against fallacy, and then post them in a blog as facts.

Divine thinkers (Irma, Mozell, and Myself included) do not need a Bible or Qu'ran or Torah to see that you are only here to mislead the people for your own personal agenda to get what YOU want before leaving Earth. I don't see how someone could blindly follow someone who makes so, so many predictions that fail to bear fruit.

What has Harry done so far? Seriously! What has Harry really done? Where is HIS health clinic, HIS farmland, HIS public school system, HIS university, HIS restaurant and HIS house of worship? The NOI has all of the things I just mentioned. Go to Farrakhan's home of Chicago and check it out for yourself. And just so you know, Min. Farrakhan donated $500,000 to helping the NOI rebuild the mosques here.

Also, since I happen to be a lifelong resident of New Orleans, Lousiana, I ask how many people has HE helped during the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina? Has HE ever came here to provide food, clothing, shelter, and financial aid to our Black people? Did he come here to see if our Black people were in good health (mentally and physically)? Or is HE just like the other leaders who were sitting on their "gluteus maximus" watching the FOX, CNN, and MSNBC coverage doing absolutely nothing?

The point I'm trying to make is that while the NOI teaches us that Black people are Gods and Goddesses of this Universe, we should remember to NEVER let that fact go to our heads. Because just as the supervisor of your company has someone higher than them, chances are that the Holy Spirit has someone higher than him as well.

Harry, my advice to you is to not continue to pick a fight with the BIA members that you of course cannot win. The clownish nature of your blogs speak for itself. Being kicked out of the NOI group should have been your wake-up call right there!

Signing Off,

Siebra

P.S. Persecuting of one's heritage will NEVER bring any gain to the persecutors!!

Hello Robert,

To begin with, I posted two blogs. The theme of the first blog was is it true that you get what you reach for. The second blog and its theme was I want us to become a more intelligently civilized people. Apparently, you are responding to the blog about civilizing.

My point is that you have gotten the two blogs mixed up, since this blog is about reaching for which you want. However, that is no biggie.

You did not understand the fundamentals of the blog, wanting Black Americans to become a more intelligently civilized people. My blog was pointing out that only Black Americans can civilize Black Americans. I said that civilizing is a self-learning process that never ends. I said that Black people are not civilized, since we are still incorporated into White America. White America keeps us in order and when we get out of order we fills up the jailhouses.

Now, you come along suggesting allowing someone else to civilize us rather than the Europeans. Apparently, you missed the whole message entirely, even though I meticulously explained myself in detail, using a toddler learning to walk for the first time. Do you not get it; I do not want any one civilizing by people except my people.

In order for this to be done we need to become a sovereign people.

This country will become a two state solution, as presently suggested with Palestine and Israel.

In addition, please do as I do when responding to me. I laid out my premise of facts. Then I give examples backing up my facts and premise to support my argument as a lawyer would in a courtroom. Please, you all do the same.

I am tired of you all criticism.

Mr. Robert, you have not said that I was wrong about anything I said. The most you did was to offer me a suggestion, which I vehemently turned down, since it is the very opposite of my point that no one else can civilize a people other than themselves.

What you say?

Hello Siebra,

Siebra, the contents of your post is just criticizing me, and we can do without that.

The blog is not about Rev. Farrakhan, not about Katrina, not about $500,000, not about what I have done, and I can go on and on.

The blog is about, is it true you get what you reach for. I went on to state that Dr. King reached for Civil Rights, affirmative actions, and he got what he reached for.

Elijah Muhammad reached for farmlands and he got what he reached for.

Rev. Farrakhan is reaching for nothing.

Nevertheless, none of them reached for a permanent solution for Black Americans, as I have done.

I went on to say that had these three men reached for sovereignty of Black Americans on a portion of this continent that we can call our very own country with borders, it would not be necessary for God to raise me up to accomplish our permanent solution.

Now Siebra, show me that my blog is wrong about getting what you reach for. Siebra it is your obligation to show I am wrong, if you think that I am wrong rather than criticizing me.

The reason those men reached for those things are because God’s will, anointing an inspiration were not with them.

God has anointed me as God did anoint Moses.

Now, as far as what I have done, it is much too soon to make a judgment. However, what is important that you all can see is the things I say show me to be wiser than Elijah, Farrakhan, and you all know it.

What say you?

Hello Irma,

The point that I was making about Egypt and the Hebrew people is that the worst were behind them. Yet, what were in front of them would be difficult times.

There were not understanding and grateful to God and Moses for bringing them out of bondage. That was my point.

The situation has nothing to do with the natural workings of the human body, as you put it. However, what the story is preparing me for is to expect some serious difficulties ahead with my own people as I lead us into sovereignty.

What say you?

Hello Irma,

Let me ask you if you understand the story of Moses? Do you understand the grand scale of Moses’ mission? Do you understand that Moses’ mission was dealing with the entire Hebrew population in Egypt? Do you understand that Moses was not dealing with just one Hebrew person?

I ask you these questions because your respond to me has always been as if you are the entire Black population. God did not anoint me just to deal with you. God anointed me to deal with the entire population of Black Americans, who are descendents of slaves. I am speaking to the entire Black population. It will be for the entire Black population that I will lead into sovereignty, and not just you.

For instance, if by somehow tomorrow, a portion of this continent, I have been talking about becomes available, it is not just you and I who will occupy this vast amount of land. It will be for the entire population of Black Americans and room for immigrants of good standards that wish to live with us.

What say you?

This is an excerpt from a posting in my NOI group titled "NO LIARS WILL MAKE IT INTO HEAVEN:

It is written that "No liars will make it into Heaven" It is also written in the Bible that the devil is a liar and the father of it (John 8:44)

All of you that are on this board consistently lying, (Harry Watley, Ghetto Messiah, Old Man Speaks, Guest Visitor and all the others) were spoken about on pg. 255 in Minister Farrakhan's book "A Torchlight For America" (published in 1993). One statement is there is a disease in your hearts and that you will be receiving a painful chastisement because you lie.

BIA is securing a real future for the planet meaning a place where young minds involved in positive, creative activities. Some of those young minds have responded to you alls insults and lies in the most respectful of manners which proves the statement "A fool can always insult a civilized person, but a civilized person can't insult a fool because it is not his nature". From all of our writings in retrospect to you all's it is clear who is the civilized people and who is not. For further clarity refer to Minister Farrakhan's teaching (What is the meaning of civilization? And What is the duty of civilized person?)

P.S.
"One of the main attributes of truth for one who lives by it, especially in this day and time if you are with me. Is that it allows one to make choices that are always in their favor. It allows you to always be successful and victorious in a conflict or difficulty. And the greatest and final reward of truth is freedom."--Quote from The Holy Qu'ran

Hello Siebra,

Siebra, forget about what Rev. Farrakhan say about who is going to make it into handing since he doesn’t have a heaven to welcome any souls into.

I am God’s Chosen One. You should be able to see that for yourself because of the wisdom I convey.

Nevertheless, my blog was not about, “is it true that you get what you reach for.” Apparently, it is true, and this is why. Rev. Farrakhan reaches for farmland, restaurants, trucks, and warehouse and garment factories.

I want more than what Rev. Farrakhan wants for Black Americans; I want a country.

In your opinion, which do you think is better, the farmlands or a country that Black Americans can be sovereign and civilize people?

What say you?

Harry, if you would stop taking out the parts of what I say then you would know that I look forward to an obsticle, because with each obsticle that I over come the easier it is to get rid of the next one. This is called learning from passtmistakes. My tomorrow is always going to be better than my yesterday. Know how I am able to do this... "I" just say, " you are alive therefore things can not be that bad" and keep on keeping on. try this sometimes...(smile)

Harry, it is too bad that you see me (many others on this site) as what(?), a race of people, your pet project and not as an individual. for example, right now I am having a major ------- problems, do you have it and what is it and does it bother me or not...how am I handleing it or is it in charge of me?!?

Now lets try it this way..I believed that I needed my own home land and I went out a got it, built it the way I wanted it and am perfectly satisfied...can you say that you have done this for you or are you still trying to find me the homeland that YOU want me to have...will you have this within the next few months?!?

and if you already have done what it is you want to accomplish in life then why do you keep refering to what you are going to do for-who me or you or any one else?!?? And, if you have already accomplished it then why are you not satisfied with what your dream is???!? why are you spending time on my needs if you can not fullfill your own needs and desires and goals in life???

Not what can you improve on what is it you have done???????????I have never heard you say one thing you have ever done for your self or for your future except plans(smile)

Please, I am not trying to be negative just trying to learn something as I am forever doing...so could you give me one spicific ting you have done towards your goal except try to tell others what they need and want and do not have that you believe they need.....

HOw can one dialoge if they do not allow that other person to be heard...as for the problems of the peoples led out of Egypt it was not me but the natural workings of the human body that says without WATER you will not live. I gather the last thing on those people's mind was the thought of dying is the only way to get to heaven?!!!?

Nitpicking or the God's truth Harry?

Harry, I shall now leave you with, please look up what the study of Paychology defines as "PROJECTING" This may help you in your quest...

Harry, I gather you have such a negative view of African-Americans that you can not see any thing good about them. My parents were not the kind to ever speak in defeat on anything or about any thing...We always had everything we wanted or were in the process of working towards getting it...And, if my parents were having a hard time they never allowed us to find out about it the same way i did for my childern and now they do tis to their children. The color of our skin does not make us who wer are not define how priceless we are, period in all things...this is call self esteeme(smile)

try it Harry, I am sure you will like it...YES WE DID over come...

why did you take it upon your self to say how you think "I" could do better..so better in what? If I have eveerything that I want then what is missing in my life???!!!Are you now saying that you are the expert on me? What does Moses have to do with me any way, what was he suppose to do for me give my equal rights as a female??????what was I suppose to do for him. there is no way I would have killed anyones children to help Moses free is people even if I were one of his people or his God or any thing wlse so what was it Moses could not accomplish because I was not there or as I believe in reincornation, I may well have been there as could have you...

I will end now since you know more about me than I do(smile)

Please do not misunderstand me Harry because like myself you have every right to set goals for your self and for any who gives you permission to set their goals in life for them. Me, "I" do not do this, because "I" a F-R-E-E, therefore "I" have no reason to do this.

I can not say this enough, "I" am the only 'expert' on me"!!!!!You nor anyone else can set my past, present nor my future for me because you have no way to be able to do this.

We are all connected to the whole universe for some reason of which and until I find a better explination, "I" will continue to believe it is for balance...

I have every thing the "I" need to be happy, safe and secure in thie life time. If this changes I will change also, because my life changes from moment to moment any ways! This is called survival of the fittest when one can adjust to fit into their forever changing environment.(smile)

And, with this I now ask you Harry, "what does being a slave mean to you"? If it does not mean lack of freedom for an individual in being in full control of their lives, as "I" have chosen to do then what is SOVEREIGNTY it to you, Harry???!!?

Does reach and very hard work mean the same thing?Is this something taht you want and can use in your daily life as a good thing or just to put up a front to empress others?

I only ask this because I have never failed so far in any goal I have set for myself, for myself(smile)