Can someone please tell me what is wrong with the rationale of Black Americans?

Yeah, I got a few good answers, but check back later as I'm in recline mode tonight.

Hello Craig Amos,

Black Americans have always been in a mentally recline mode as you say of yourself, and that is what prompted me to post my blog. You are a perfect example of why I posted the blog.

Therefore, I have a better idea than waiting on you to get back to me. How about, when you awaken out of your slumbering ignorance, you get back to me?

What say you?

Hey i might be able to dicpher what the problem is. I term it as a "Blackmans Dilemna". Let me give you a better prespective

1. An average black man continues to wallow in the 'victim mentality'. They don't understand that the mix called life is full of ups and downs. They believe that there has to be a perfect circumstance that has to come along for them to make it. When you can't see when your get up and go moment is around, it will come and leave you because you fail to see the opportunities and blessing that can be clothed in forms of challenges and hurdles. So many people don't have it good at all in many other countries but they strive and make it..........

2.Until a person, a group or a race learn to grow up and forgive the past although they can't forget it, then they become mature and see the light. When you see the opportunity and the milestone that America has provided and over come through the years then you will understand that there has always been room for growth for an average black person if only they would stop to discern

3. Misplaced self esteem is another problem that a black person carries on his shoulders. Where you are supposed to be humble, tactful and proud, they tend to mismatch it at the wrong place and time and vice versa

4.Another word that may sound hurtful but i have to say it to get the problem across is that an average black man is Lazy.

Its a lot but i dont want to harp more on the bad things. I believe there are lots of genuine hardworking and smart black people out there that need a good mix in terms of friends and environment they live in to better themselves. They only need to get up and make a conscious effort to break the generational curse that some have. I leave a saying that goes like this, 'there are many a pessimist that got that way by financing an optimist'. For every black man that thinks he can't , there also is one that will.......... Choose which one you want to be

Hello guest visitor,

To begin with, I do not think you really understood the gist of my blog. What I am saying in my blog is that sovereignty or complete independence from White America on a portion of this continent that Black Americans could call their very own country with borders is being offered to them. Which of course, would permanently resolve the problems that have plagued Black Americans from the era of slavery to the present day, yet Black Americans do not seem to grasp the significance of sovereignty.

I am of the opinion that slavery had destroyed the rational abilities of Black Americans to know that sovereignty is their only option ever to be real people in this world.

On the other hand, you are talking about Black Americans seeing opportunities provided to them and realizing the milestone that they over come through the years. Then they will understand that there has always been room for growth for any average Black person if only they would stop to discern.

I personally feel that Black Americans today have the same opportunities our ancestors had in the days of brutal slavery. Our ancestors gotten nowhere in the days of slavery and Black Americans today have gotten nowhere as well. In other words, as long as Black Americans do not have their own, then what opportunities are you referring to that, we have?

Therefore, I am saying that Black Americans must become a sovereign people or have complete independence from White America on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country, with borders. In this way, Black Americans can pursue Life, Liberty, Happiness and Prosperity for ourselves, and will not need to necessary for a Black In America #2 on CNN.

In other words, I am looking at it in the same way as what God did for the Hebrew people when they were in bondage in Egypt.

So, what I want Black Americans to do is to come to realize the significance of sovereignty and desire to have sovereignty. Does that make any sense to you?

What say you?

Hello Ms. Robinson,

Before I can say anything further about your comment, you must first understand Black Americans began as slaves in the United States and that is why we are Black Americans who are descendents of slaves and not African Americans.

In other words, the repeated breeding of the many different kinds of African slaves women with White men, mostly of British descent over 300 years, produced a new breed of race of people, which today is referred to as Black Americans, who are descendents of slaves. Black Americans are neither Africans, nor Caucasians. Black Americans are a new breed or race of people in today’s world.

Ms. Robinson, you need to know exactly who you are, what you are, and where you came from; if you do not the world is going to laugh at you. I have no better way to put it.

An African American is a person for the most part born in Africa of African parentage that became an American citizen, which would make the person an African American. That African person is a person entirely different from a Black American who is a descendents of slaves.

What would separate these two people is the, experience of slavery. The African Americans does not have in their blood while Black Americans who are descendents of slaves has the slave experience.

One of the reasons why I asked the question, what is wrong with the rationale of Black Americans, is because we really do not know who we are
I continuously make this fact so clear, but still you all do not understand why that is, Ms. Robinson?

What say you?

Hello Mr. C.Powell,

Where are you ancestors from?

What say you?

Hello Mr. Corey,

Well, Mr. Corey, seeing that you are a young man and out of Cleveland, Ohio I can take an educated guess and say that you are a Black American who is a descendent of slaves.

Now, the title of my blog is, “Can someone please tell me what is wrong with the rationale of Black Americans?”

Okay, by your own admission, you said that you do not know where your ancestors are from and that is what prompted me to post the blog about the rationale of Black Americans since many Black Americans are as you are, mentally speaking that is.

Now, going back to the point of my blog, I said that Black Americans know they are different people from other people in America. I go on to say that, we complain and reminisce on the past. Then I say, when a permanent solution is offered we frowns. So in the end I asked, do Black Americans know what it is that they really want?

So, your response about $10,000 and you are as a king is not what my blog is about.

My blog is about Black Americans rationalizing that sovereignty is our only permanent solution to all of our problems. Do you understand what I am saying?

What say you?

Hello Libra Strong,

You said this, “We are a free people and all of these bias useless rules and regulations destroys our sense of peace and justice. The way things are shown to us is different from the way things are.”
I think what I understand from you is that something is not right with the relationship we have with White America. Our relationship is a subjugated or inferior relationship we have with White America, or else you would not have said that the way things are shown to us a different from the way things are.

Now, at the end of your post you reasoned that our sense of hopelessness, despair, and oppression has caused us to rationalize that since there is no justice, there will be no peace. Incidentally, some of us do not have as much sense as you have. Some of us think that our situation is not hopeless. Some of us think that we are not in despair.

However, I understand your feelings, psychologically speaking. However, your feelings are self-destructive to have a mindset of, no justice no peace.

Our only permanent solution is for us to desire to become a sovereign people or have complete independence from White America on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country, with borders.

The help that Black Americans, who are descendents of slaves need is from each other, but overseen by God. In other words, we need and have the help of God that will bring us together for becoming a sovereign people or have complete independence from White America.

In other words, hypothetically speaking, if we were offered sovereignty on a portion of this continent, how would you respond to that offer?

What say you?

Hello Ms. Robinson,

The reduced meaning of your post is that Black Americans do not need any one to liberate them, because you think that Black Americans can liberate themselves.

Well, if that is true, then God must have been an idiot to anoint Prophet Moses. In addition, Dr. King must have been a fool to lose his life for nothing.

However, I was under the impression that Prophet Moses led his people out of bondage and into sovereignty or the Promised Land with God’s help, because the Hebrew people did not have the wherewithal to liberate themselves.

I was also under the impression that Dr. King’s fighting eased some of the hardships Black Americans were experiencing in the Jim Crow era as well as cause President Johnson to sign into law affirmative actions.

Either one of us is out of our minds, and I do not think it is I. What do you think?

I do not understand the sense that you tries to make most of the time.

What say you?

Hello Ms. Robinson,

You said this, “Am I correct that you will only recognize first generations of Africans as classified as African-Americans? Not those classifed as having been born in American as African-Americans?”

Let me explain to you again the difference between African-American and Black Americans, who are descendents of slaves.

An African-American is an African from Africa, who has become an American citizen.

A Black American is a person who descended from slaves. The late Alex Haley would be such a person. The children of Ms. Sally Hemming would be descendents of slaves as well.

In other words, Ms. Sally Hemming was President Thomas Jefferson’s slave and his constant bed companion.

Therefore, the distinct difference between an African-American and a Black American is the wedge of slavery. Why is that so difficult for you and so many to understand?

What say you?

Mr. Watley, what answer are you looking for?

I'm sure I'm a child of slavery descendants. My great-grandfather used to tell us stories and his father and his father's father. My grandmother passed along stories of her mother and her grandmother. From where exactly, I am not sure.

In any case, my answer to your question may prove peculiar. I don't have the mindset you speak of, so I can't answer a question that doesn't apply to me. Maybe *your* solution is sovereignty, but I don't think that's a great idea. It suggests re-segregation to me.

And perhaps I wouldn't fit in to that sovereignty if you mean that only black people could come. See, my husband is not black and we have a biracial child. I have no desire to be separated from other people because they are different-looking. And somtimes, they are just different. That said, not all black people are alike either. And I don't know if you missed it, but many a black people are prejudiced against other black people. If we became sovereign, who would lead us? What would the laws be like? Will many of us be as color struck as we are now?

And don't misunderstand me. We do have many fit leaders in black communities, I'm sure. My pastor is one of them. My grandfather would be a good contender as well, but until we as a people learn to be well-rounded...to function in a society with trials and tribulations (some we create and some thrust upon us), no amount of sovereignty in this world is going to make things any better. ...just an opinion.

Whay say you?

Blessings...

I said: "I'm sure I'm a child of slavery descendants. My great-grandfather used to tell us stories and his father and his father's father."

I meant: "I'm sure I'm a child of slavery descendants. My great-grandfather used to tell us stories ABOUT his father and his father's father."

Hello Ms. Dee Gray,

Mrs. Gray the answer that I am looking for is a yes answer to sovereignty for Black Americans.

Okay, let me address some of your concerns. Sovereignty and re-segregation are two different things. Sovereignty is what White America has. Sovereignty is what Chinese people have in China. Sovereignty is what the French people have in France.

Why Black Americans who are descendents of slaves, must have sovereignty, is because we need to be a real people and sovereignty on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country will do just that for us. Without sovereignty Black Americans will never know what it is, like to brave the obstacles that nature hurdles at a sovereign country every day to be successful in their own right.

Now, we want immigrants of good standings in our country, just as White America and France have immigrants. In addition, there is nothing wrong with a White person falling in love with a Black person or vice a versa and having children.

Sovereignty for Black Americans will serve a few good purposes. It allows Black Americans to pursue Life, Liberty, Happiness, and Prosperity in our own right. Right now Black Americans are subjugated people and we are not immigrants.

In the pursuit of life, Black Americans can put our resources necessary to find cures to diseases and viruses that particularly targets and cut the lives of Black Americans short. White Americans presently do what is necessary to preserve the lives of Whites.

Therefore, sovereignty is not the same as segregation. Segregation is a body part of subjugation, which Black Americans have always been experiencing.

In conclusion, Black Americans born in slavery and emerge from the ashes of slavery to become a sovereign people that perhaps further down the line we might very well have to come to the aid of White America. Would you not say that would be a divine moment?

Israel has never had the opportunity to aid the Egyptians, who once had the Hebrew people in slavery that God sent Moses to free the Hebrew people.

Mrs. Gray, as sure as I am typing to you on this website, sovereignty for Black Americans is going to happen on this continent.

What say you?

Hello Ms. Robinson,

You said this, “like my constantly asking you to explain what it is you mean by S-O-V-E-R-E-I-G-N-T-Y???????????????????!!!!!!?(smile) “

Okay, first you go to the dictionary and see with the word sovereignty means. Then, you and I will agree on the dictionary’s definition and move forward. Okay?

What say you?

Harry, subjugated means to be enslaved; to be conquered. That's a pretty low opinion of not only black people in general but especially for those black people who fought long and hard to assist us in getting free. I'm talking about the Harriet Tubman(s), the Sojourner Truth(s), the Mary McCleod Bethune(s), the Malcolm X(s), the MLK(s), every black person hanged, beat, raped, ridiculed, spit on, dragged, dog bitten, hosed down and given the runaround. To now call us subjugated by the so-called white man is like saying all they did means nothing.

No, Sir. I'll stay right here in American. I was born here. Plus, I'm already a part of the greatest sovereign nation in the world - the Body of Christ. ...can't beat. I already answer to a king...to THE King. And life might not always be easy, but I don't need to live on a part of a (carnal) sovereign nation to get where I'm going...to get where's He's taking me. My personal relationship with Him does that.

And I also wonder if you really know what you're asking for. From what I understand of sovereignty, one person (presumably a man) would be the absolute authority on everything-- decisions, customs, laws, etc.. Sovereignty essentially gives one person absolute power to control other people. It's not simply a matter of having a king and/or queen, a governing body, etc.. Sovereignty by its very definition is absolute power and authority.

Of course, the factor of absolution and exclusivity of power can and have been argued for centuries.

So, given Lassa Oppenheim's position:

There exists perhaps no conception the meaning of which is more controversial than that of sovereignty. It is an indisputable fact that this conception, from the moment when it was introduced into political science until the present day, has never had a meaning which was universally agreed upon."

...maybe I should be asking you instead of drawing my own inferences from what you've stated so far:

What is YOUR definition of sovereignty. The dictionary's definition is clear and if you want to use the dictionary's definition, my answer to your proposal would be ABSOLUTELY NOT. NO to sovereignty.

Or are you talking about EXTERNAL or TRIBAL sovereignty? Do you want to establish a nation-state and declare sovereignty or are you talking something entirely different. I need clarification. So far, I'm saying no.

What say you?

Blessings...

Hello Ms. Irma,

I thought I had asked you to familiarize yourself with the definition of the word sovereignty.

Now you are asking me about Jonestown. How can I discuss Jonestown with you when you do not know what sovereignty means. All we are doing is going around in circles, and I do not want to be going around in circles with you. I want to accomplish something.

Ms. Robinson, I am not like most other people that talks for the sake of talking. I dialogue with the person to I accomplished something.

I asking you again, please familiarize yourself with the definition of the words sovereignty that we could move forward!

What say you?

Harry, I'm still waiting on *you* to define YOUR definition of sovereignty. As you ponder, "What say you?"

Blessings...

Hello Mrs. Dee Grey,

This was how I first explained sovereignty to you, “Sovereignty is what White America has. Sovereignty is what Chinese people have in China. Sovereignty is what the French people have in France.------------- Why Black Americans who are descendents of slaves, must have sovereignty, is because we need to be a real people and sovereignty on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country will do just that for us. Without sovereignty Black Americans will never know what it is, like to brave the obstacles that nature hurdles at a sovereign country every day to be successful in their own right.”

I noticed that you went to the dictionary and got the definition of sovereignty. The definition of sovereignty in the dictionary fits perfectly to my explanation of what sovereignty is is when I use the various countries such as China, France and White America. Could you tell me some of the ways that this country a sovereign based on the definition from the dictionary?

Then, you go on to confuse yourself with external or tribal sovereignty. I did not say anything about tribal sovereignty, and personally, I do not know what tribal sovereignty is. There is no mention in the dictionary about tribal sovereignty.

As I close, I want to ask you if you really understand how White America, China and France, are sovereign countries. I do not think you really understand the meaning of sovereignty yet, because you cannot apply it yet, either.

Therefore, think a little bit more about how these countries are sovereign and ask me any questions you like, if you are still not sure about what sovereignty is.

What say you?

No, Harry, you're backing up now. You were rather QUICK to point Ms. Irma to the dictionary, Sir. YOU did that...not me. And since you did that, I decided to have you expound. The so-called sovereignty that China has is totally different from how France conducts its business, so even in that explanation, you're way off base. You're mixing apples and oranges. Those countries don't operate in the same way. And to make all things equal by throwing any part of America in it is certainly oxymoronic. America is not like France is not like China is not like America...ya know?

I'm asking you what YOU mean? Can you give it me without forming the illusion of analagous bonds? I don't want the dictionary's definition (although you did tell Irma that she should start there). I don't want the analogies because they're noncohesive. I'm asking a direct question. How do YOU, Harry, define sovereignty?

Blessings...

Hello Mrs. Dee,

Okay Dee, let us first start with the dictionary’s definition. The Cambridge international dictionary’s definition is this, “sovereignty noun [U]
the power of a country to control its own government:”

Now, the country of France controls its own government. White America has the power to control its own government. China controls its own government, as well. Consequentially all three of these countries are sovereign countries since they all fit the definition of what sovereignty means. In other words, no external country exerts influence and power over any of these three countries.

Now, Mrs. Dee, you confused yourself by comparing how differently each country’s government operates and accuse me of mixing apples and oranges. Because each of these countries government operates differently from each other, they all are still sovereign countries. For instance, a communist country is just a sovereign as a democratic country or a parliamentary country.

Now let us turn to what I have been saying all the time. I said that, Black Americans, only permanent solution is to become a sovereign people on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with open borders. So, what is different from what I am saying and the dictionary’s definition? There is no difference.

I have expressed a definition of sovereignty.

I went on to say that the most noble reason for our sovereignty is that Black Americans must brave the natural obstacles that nature hurls every day at a sovereign country to be successful. For example, the president and Congress are working on a national health-care bill. That is an obstacle that White America has to brave or resolve. White America faces these natural obstacles every day while Black Americans faces the obstacles of White America. Black Americans obstacles are racism, equal education, police brutality and profiling. In other words, while White America is facing natures natural obstacles, Black Americans are facing White America’s obstacles.

Do you understand what I am saying?

Another way of looking at what I am saying about sovereignty is to take White America’s present economic conditions. White America’s financial wizards on Wall Street created this mess. However, if Black Americans were sovereign people on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country, perhaps our financial wizards could have made decisions that our economy would not have suffered.

What say you?

Hello Ms. Iram,

You are entirely confused. I asked you to familiarize yourself with the definition of sovereignty, and you just will not do it.

Anyway, sovereignty does not mean war.

Please familiarize yourself with the meaning of sovereignty before you dialogue any further.

What say you?

And, thank you Harry because i believe you are now answering my questions about how you would be describing your land...Am I correct that you will only recognize first generations of Africans as classified as African-Americans? Not those classifed as having been born in American as African-Americans?

Me, I will pass as this name African-American was a long road and too many lives lost to be called African-American not 'boy' 'n*ggar'' black'(in a negative way).

A little thing called Pride(smile)

Mozell and Corey there is no way that I will be able to believe that the two of you are in any need of someone to tell you who you are and your purpose in this life...

I will repeat once again...all peoples from Africa were not slaves in America, because some Blacks were slave owners. Some Blacks did not wait for a liberator, but became their own liberators(back then and today)...African-Americans be they the first generation (as our president, or Minister Farrakhan of many generations or the legendary singer and actress Dinah Shore-and many more half black half white Americans))in America is not the race...

Libra, only a "free' mind could say what you had to say and still NOT FEAR SAYING IT...EXPECTING OTHERS TO 'UNDERSTAND' WHAT YOU HAD TO SAY...and not be: proud, free, and full of hope for the future for your self, your friends and your world to be at peace one day...

You my brothers and sisters who can say what Libra just said and not be satisfied with spending a life in HOPELESSNESS, HELPLESSNESS. DISPAIR, AND OPPRESSION waiting for someone /some thing to delover you from this ,then you are a slave and all I can say is be the best slave you can be and be happy being a slave.(smile)

I as an African-American's history did not begin in the United States, but in the city states of the mother land, Africa. And, even if we were 'slaves' in Africa. This may have a lot to do with my out look on our peoples being 'slaves' in America as something we should be proud that we survived and continued to be th proud peoples that we always have been and still are...but the only way to be able to look at African-Americans is to offer each and everone of us the free wills to have our own (individual)opinions that are the TOTAL opposit of yours(as well as most racist) which is culture/ race pride and being positive and constructive Black people as well as African-Americans...

Harry will you be willing to say a YES to W-E are 'all' God's children. would you say YES to God created us in his own image...and if God is perfect then why are you going to try and make emprovements on his job even to passing judgments your self?

Would you say yes to you are trying to save PEOPLE? AND YOU WILL DO THIS ACCORDING TO YOUR IMAGE OF WHAT BLACK PEOPLE SHOULD BE?(according to you?)

Harry do you know what logic means when it says one is BEGGING THE QUESTION.If not is means reasoning that goes in circles.Like your saying "sovereignty for Black Americans is going to happen on this continent...What continent?When, Where and How are no where to be found.Hell to me this is not even enough for someone who has hope that they should even have hope in what you have to say, because you are not saying anything...you are Begging the question...like my constantly asking you to explain what it is you mean by S-O-V-E-R-E-I-G-N-T-Y???????????????????!!!!!!?(smile)

Dee, you asked Harry what answer was he looking for which is a question I have been asking him for months now. Because, to try to bring any rational statement is seen by him as being a 'trouble maker'.Actually my comments have been more directed at Guest Visitor as he is all over this site reasuring us that the Black race is not worth even giving any hope for doing any thing positive under any conditions or chances offfered for them to do so...

As for me, I would have rather have been Jefferson's mistress than his wife back then...the mistress did own her own home where the wife could never own any thing even after his death as the oldest son would have gotten every thing.

The slave mistress was loved for herself and not as an object to make a public apperance as hostess when needed and as a bed partner as needed for sons or pleasure when he could not be with his true love, his slave...May be it isjust me but with me love and respect comes first any day...

Harry this blog nor any of your blogs is about me. My comments like the one you just gave a reply to me is only me trying to get you to tell me what you mean by what it is you want for our people, because in my mind's eyes I already have my sovereign nation and I spent most of my life working so that I can do exactly what I am doing right now, enjoying it. I do not have to GO to work to get what I need...nor do with out if I need something I do not have right now,etc.

Harry , may I be so bold as to say do you know anything about Jone's town and how it came into being????????Or maybe that expression about those who forget history are doomed to repeat it...or look before you leap...

I will say this and then let it go...Harry where did you get the ideas about do King from as it sure has nothing to do with the 60s civil right's movement...No I will not call you any thing because I do not know if you are just joking when you make statements like these or if you are really serious and have only been taken advantage of by the person(s) who got you to believe this bull...and , please do not worry as you have a lot of company in this belief although false...but, unlike Guest Visitor who I know is playing games ,but you do seem to be honest in what it is you have to say on this site and not just trying to down grade members of the Black race but just trying to talk with us and get us all thinking about different things...me I will jump at any chance to correct misunderstandings on Black history or go try to get someone to do this when I can not do so...

Harry if "I" am correct in you are saying with this statement of yours, "Sovereignty is what White America has'...'Soverignty is what the Chinese people have in China"...then you are the slave and the killer and hater of mankind therefore I pass on your ideals of a Soverignty. Here are a few of my reasons...

I do not blieve in (WAR).Wars fought for personal, national, monitary gains,as the White (majority)has always caused on peoples they do not like or believe that they can be their SAVIORS...

I do not believe in war even if it is just killing, doing harm to your own kind as is going on right now with the Chinese people.

On top of this, how can you say how you want to have a Black nation that is free if you are going to model your selves in the images of what White America has in the first place. Me, I am too proud to be a member of the Black culture to give all of this up to become more like racist who see me as inferior because of the color of my skin which blinds them for seeing me as a positive, constructive person ...I will remain with a culture that demands Equality for all...especailly the female1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(smile)