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CitizenLink: Christian Conservatives Poke Fun at President Obama's View of the Nation

CitizenLink: Christian Conservatives Poke Fun at President Obama's View of the Nation

Jen Fad · Monday, July 27th 2009 at 11:24PM · 214 views
President Obama keeps claiming the United States is not a "Christian nation." In his Stoplight® commentary, Stuart Shepard examines the impact of holding such a worldview. Click onto link below to listen to these folk who we are suppose to be looking to for our moral clarity. http://www.citizenlink.org/Stoplight/A0000...

FYI CitizenLink & Focus on the Family: Most of the Founding Father's were Deists, not Christians.

..."One of the most common statements from the "Religious Right" is that they want this country to "return to the Christian principles on which it was founded". However, a little research into American history will show that this statement is a lie. The men responsible for building the foundation of the United States had little use for Christianity, and many were strongly opposed to it. They were men of The Enlightenment, not men of Christianity. They were Deists who did not believe the bible was true.

When the Founders wrote the nation's Constitution, they specified that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." (Article 6, section 3) This provision was radical in its day-- giving equal citizenship to believers and non-believers alike. They wanted to ensure that no single religion could make the claim of being the official, national religion, such as England had. Nowhere in the Constitution does it mention religion, except in exclusionary terms. The words "Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, and God" are never mentioned in the Constitution-- not once"...

Deism is a religious and philosophical belief that a supreme being created the universe, and that this (and religious truth in general) can be determined using reason and observation of the natural world alone, without a need for either faith or organized religion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism

http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfath...

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Steve Williams Tuesday, July 28th 2009 at 11:08AM

Jen, I believe you are basically right, though with a couple exceptions. I wouldn't go so far as to say the founding fathers had no use for Christianity. It was still a prevalent mindset, though carefully excluded from the role of government. And deism, though based on reason, I don't think excludes the element of faith, which follows from a belief in a Creator. I believe the Universalists. of whom Benjamin Franklin was one, are basically deists, and that is an organized religion. But as to your main point, no we cannot say we are a Christian nation or should return to one. That is quite a dangerous concept. However, I myself could be called a Christian, depending on how you define the word.

Jen Fad Tuesday, July 28th 2009 at 10:28PM

Guys thanks for your comments. I'm just fed up with the Right Wing hypocrites and I can't say enough how it upsets me to see them spinning their web of deceit to deceive the masses of many gullible sincere Christian brothers and sisters. I agree with you Brother Steve, the founding fathers probably did have use for Christianity. The “Right” often uses the Old Testament to buttress their argument that there should be no separation of church and state because in the days of the Kings, the prophets (seers) advised the King Sister Irma.

Brother Clark you have really opened my eyes to see these people for what they are... "Just another political organization" which explains why Focus On the Family & James Dobson partnered with another group in 2008 to sponsor the “Obama Waffles”. Do you remember that? It all makes sense Brother Clark... if they were really following in the footsteps of Christ, the organization wouldn't make off color jokes and poke fun at other folk’s religions (although President Obama has maintained that he's non Muslim).

Jen Fad Wednesday, July 29th 2009 at 7:32PM

Sister Irma,
You're right...they keep putting their feet in their mouths, but they are somehow pardoned... Why is that? Oh well I want them to receive the backlash of their foolishness, but that appears to be wishful thinking on my part. (((smiles)))

ROBINSON IRMA Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM

Has anyone ever heard of "The Seperation of Church and State" ? "Freedom of Religion" and has made any demands of our government to remove it as we continue to violate this each and every time we allow the chance to meet / become friends with a perfectly moral and law abiding person because they "belong to the WRONG (a different religious faith than our)religion?!?...

or is this just so automatic we no longer have to bother thinking about this?(smile)

ROBINSON IRMA Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM

Jen, this is something that Buddhism and atheist, science and best of all, just plain old every day common sense, have in common...we all have a purpose in the scheme of things called Balance...in all things and in all beings in all of the known and unknown UNIVERSE...

ROBINSON IRMA Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM

Jen, please trust that each and ever time the right- wing opens their mouths, they stick their foot, no their feet in it!!!

We are now my sister in the age where only the very, very best get our votes. R-I-G-H-T? LOL??And, when ever you start to doubtthis, just remember who is in the Whitehouse and all of the people he has himself standing be sides him and backing him up!!!

And, you still have that all powerful ONE vote in 2010 to show your displeasure for any and all in the majority who now believes that your vote does not count in getting them kicked out of D. c. just a quick as your vote got them there, right, lov.?(smile)

You go girl.LOL

ROBINSON IRMA Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM

Please my people never get discouraged, because weas African-Americans must work harder and wait longer to get equal civil rights laws already on the books to get enforced when we are concerned.O.K.?

We are such survivers in this country, because we always are working to make it better for our children that it is for us.(smile)And, as brother Mozell says we are only 400 years old therefore we are still babies in the scope of time fighting for EQUALITY...LOL

and do not forget we have to try and clean up this mess that those "sons- of= bushes' left us as sister Siebra says.LOL

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