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Just defending myself, this is normal!

Harry Watley · Monday, August 24th 2009 at 1:45AM · 710 views
The problems I have experienced with all the bloggers who have engaged in dialogue with me is this. .

We always begin with a cordial attitude towards each other. You all would present what you believe are good resolutions to the many problems Black Americans having. However, none of your resolutions has been able to resolve our problems since we were born into slavery. For example, Mr. Frederick Douglass, Mr. Booker T. Washington, Dr. King, the Nation of Islam, Rev. Al Sharpton etc. have not been permanently able to resolve our problems. Then, I would present my thoughts and we would go back and forth until you all clearly and rationally realize that the solutions you all are presenting are not workable.

At that point, a few things will happen. You all would become belligerent and hostile towards me or entirely stop responding to me. Some of you will go to the extent of deleting my comments and on other websites; the administrators would delete my blogs. What is up with that?

You all range from educated to non-educated, leaders in the professional world, clergies and just ordinary bloggers. The results are always the same. However, I want you all to know that I am not your adversary, and you all should not be treating me as such.

I know that my people, (Black Americans, who are descendents of slaves) are not up to part when it comes to dealing with each other. However, as difficult as it may be we have to begin at some point. We will someday soon become a sovereign people, and we cannot behave like this in our Statehouse no matter how difficult the problem may be to resolve in our state of sovereignty. We will not mirror goes backwards African countries.

Now, whether you all believe it or not, we (Black Americans, who are descendents of slaves) are the apple of God’s eyes today.

Am I right or am I wrong?

What say you?

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Steve Williams Monday, August 24th 2009 at 10:52AM

You are quite correct Harry, we are not adversaries but friends. But we seem to have reached an impasse of some sort. No one will forget your beliefs if you do not keep repeating them. And I have invited others to this site. I hope you will treat them kindly if they accept. These are people that I have met at a black Baptist church that I am working with on my own agenda, a technology ministry. There are things we need to do to enable even wider, DIVERSE, discussion.

Harry Watley Monday, August 24th 2009 at 11:39AM

Hello Mr. Mozell,

The phrase, “Apple of God’s Eye” is figurative. A perfect example of this figurative phrase would be how God resolved the problems of the Hebrew people in the days of Moses. In other words, there were seriously divine problems between two racially different people, the Hebrews and the Egyptians. For the sake of God’s justice and the plea of the Hebrew people to be rescued from the atrocities of Pharaoh God favored the Hebrew people. Hence, the Hebrew people were the Apple of God’s Eye.

Now Mr. Mozell, if you do a little mind calculation and substitute the Hebrew people for American Blacks and Moses for me, since I used the phrase (Apple of God’s Eye) in reference to Black Americans you would certainly agree with me. Am I right or am I wrong?

Knowing the mentality of my people, I understand why you would get it wrong. We do not think favorable and positive when it comes to ourselves and that is because we are descendents of slaves. For instance, look at how you thought unfavorable about Black Americans being the apple of God’s eye. The phrase is something positive and favorable towards Black Americans, yet you reject it and you are a Black Americans, your self.

You are oblivious to how you have been programmed to operate against yourself and your people, which is no fault of your own, since you are a descendent of slaves.

Have I psychologically analyzed you perfectly, Mr. Mozell? Tell me what you think.

Now, when you said that you,’ chill’ when it comes to my concept of sovereignty fortifies my confidence that God is truly inspiring me. Most of the things that I say are not of my own doings. Instead, there are inspirations from God that I follow and no one has been able to say that I am wrong about anything I said.

Anyhow, I want you to love me! I am not your adversary!

What say you?

MIISRAEL Bride Monday, August 24th 2009 at 11:50AM

Harry, I have been following your blogs and your remarks too. Sometime in defending yourself your words can be read as with a "hostile" attitude. No to say you are that way. I have found that kindness speaks softer and is a better way to keep a good relationship going. No one wants to really debate with hostile words and name-calling! It's senseless. You feel you have to prove what you're saying, at least it's how I view you ideals. If what you say feels right and true to you and you do things to tell what your gift is then you don't have point fingers or call names, you don't have to be called names and be pointed at either. Take a calmness, say or write your comments, but there will always be someone who won't agree. Still, you can blog what you needing to say and let that be at that. You can bring your bread and water but you cannot force anyone to eat or drink it. You can only tell them I have this if you are willing to take it. Emotions stir and people will become rude if you are rude too. The satifaction you'll find will be keeping a level head. Perhaps a new approach is to become a friend first and then respecting your friend's advice, even if you both do not agree. It's an old lesson, a wise one and one proven to work if both sides are not fighting for destruction, but fighting for love, harmony, and above all understanding each other. No one likes name calling--Not even you Harry. I love you, Blessings to you.

Harry Watley Monday, August 24th 2009 at 12:12PM

Hello Steve,

I believe that you all are my friends in the strictest definition of friendship, as opposed to the strictest definition of adversaries. I believe I understand why you all oppose me as you do, and it is because I am constantly agitating or stirring the waters of your mind to think differently about the same old problems, the subjugation of American Blacks.

For instance, I go to Bible study twice a week. The Pastor, who is very intelligent, theologically well educated and the members now find themselves in a category five hurricane, because I am agitating or stirring the waters of their minds to think differently about the scriptures and themselves. None is able to say, I am wrong, yet none of them wants to agree with me.

Of course, Steve I will treat your friends kindly. I believe I treat everyone kindly, especially my own people. I think the problem is when I agitate or stir the waters of peoples thinking they come to feel that I am unfriendly. It is just that they have no intelligently rational defense against the things I say and at the same time, they do not want to agree with me. The same was with Moses and his people, when God anointed Moses.

I have the wisdom of God, as Moses had the wisdom of God as well. Moses task was to lead his people out of Egypt, the Exodus. My task is to lead my people out of subjugation and into sovereignty on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders. To accomplish such a monumental task, of course, we both would need the wisdom of God. Am I right or wrong? Tell me what you think.

What say you?

Craig Amos Monday, August 24th 2009 at 2:46PM

"sovereignty on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders."

"With borders"? You mean the book store chain, right?

Seriously, you expect White Americans to give up this land or do you expect Blacks to fight for it? You do know our history of battles against Whites, don't you?

There's a place that you dream of. It's called Liberia. In Africa.

Harry Watley Monday, August 24th 2009 at 5:08PM

Hello Ms. Shield,

I hope I understand what you are saying to me. I do not think you all understand my relationship or purpose to you all. I said I wanted sovereignty or complete independence for Black Americans from White America on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders. In addition, I said that my relationship to you all is the saying as what Moses relationship was to his people when they were in bondage in Egypt. Therefore, I do not blog on the level or think in the box as the rest of you all blog with each other.

Now, because of technology I do not have to stand on a mountain and have a sermon as Jesus did or as Moses, must have done since they did not have the benefit of computer Internet to reach thousands of people instantly.

Ms. Shield I appreciate and understand you are saying to me. It tells me that you have me at your heart.

However, my message is not about making friendship, which is something I want between us anyway. My message is putting Black Americans on notice that they are going to take the reins of their own destiny to pursue Life, Liberty, Happiness, and Prosperity. They cannot get out of this responsibility. Those who are not able to or do not want to for whatever reasons, will be left behind. In other words, the days of our ignorance and subjugation are over.

The question you must answer for yourself, Ms. Shield is whether what I am saying is evil, bad and no good for Black Americans or for White Americans. Now, if it is not evil, bad and no good for American Blacks, then it must be good for both White and Black Americans. Since it is good, then I do not understand why you all have a problem with me. It just does not make sense.

What say you?

Harry Watley Monday, August 24th 2009 at 5:26PM

Hello Mr. Mozell,

Yes, in a positive sense of speaking, it is my way, because of who I am to all of us, Black Americans. However, on the next higher level, it is God’s way for us through me, since I am God’s Chosen One for us all.

However, our argument is about whether Black Americans are the Apple of God’s eye today. No one would know first-hand except me. Like wise, no one would have known first-hand that the Children of Israel were God’s people back then, except Moses since Moses was God’s Chosen One for the Children of Israel. Understand where I am coming from?

The point was that you argued against this favorable label for Black Americans that I had to tell you how oblivious you are of being programmed to operate against yourself and your own people. In addition, I told you I am here to change all this negativity about us. Therefore, my presents should be a joy to all of us. However, it was never as simple as I am making it seem. All Chosen Ones of God had very difficult times with their own people. Am I right or am I wrong?

What say you?

Harry Watley Monday, August 24th 2009 at 6:01PM

Hello Mr. Amos,

No! Liberia is not on the map for us. Liberia is Liberia. The people of Liberia are not the same as we are today. When they voluntarily left this continent and went to Africa after the Civil War they inherently and inadvertently left the Halo God has placed over us.

In over 150 years that they have been in Liberia, nothing but killing, fighting and extreme corruption in governmental leadership was the norm for decades. These setbacks will not happen with us or this continent that we will be sharing with our White American relatives.

I expect White America to be hard press; on the other hand, they will be happy for us in our condition of complete independence from them on a portion of this continent that we could call out with very all country with borders. Incidentally, Moses did not fight Pharaoh. Why should we have to fight White America? You have no faith in God.

I know that you do not believe me now, since this is something super super that I am advocating. That is no problem to me, the Hebrew people did not believe Moses that Pharaoh would be hard press, but at the same time, Pharaoh would be happy to see the children of Israel permanently leave Egypt.

Mr. Amos, you are expressing such a fear that it seems to me you think White America is invincible. You have more fear for White America than you do for God. Do not worry about it, believe in God and believe in me.

What say you?

Harry Watley Monday, August 24th 2009 at 6:24PM

Hello Jeremy, Hasan and Ziglar,

Have not you realize that our suffering, bondage and slavery have been a rehabilitating tool for White America beginning with the abolitionists, President Lincoln, President John Kennedy and lastly President Johnson? It was the hearts of these men that our suffering caused them to reach out to their southern people to rehabilitate them. By the same token, I am not saying we did not suffer under them either. They were the lesser of two evils. However, they still are our relatives. Consequentially, the highest point, we could reach in our state of sovereignty is that if something catastrophic should have been to them, we must be the first of any people to help them, and we will.

Nevertheless, we have paid the price due to no fault of our own to be a sovereign people today on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders. However, the lesson we have learned from such a costly price we paid is always to be looking into the sciences that we would never fall behind in knowledge and technology to any people. To always, be improving the quality of our lives.

I am the way, and besides me, there is no other way for Black Americans ever to become real people.

What say you?

Harry Watley Monday, August 24th 2009 at 6:27PM

Hello Ms. Irma,

What I am talking about and have always been talking about is far removed from Jim Jones.

What say you?

MIISRAEL Bride Monday, August 24th 2009 at 6:41PM

Harry, I do have you at heart. What you have already determine is that (all) are against you. This is not necessarily true. If you are doing what is directed of you by God then what you do is good. I have insight into your message for Blacks. . A God who is Sovereign will rule over his sovereign people. If there is more explanation; or action God will provide that it will be revealed. You must be patient with those who have not yet been opened to his revelation of your purpose. More importantly, continue in your purpose God has given you.
Remember, God's is heard in a still small voice. Now, quietly I will leave you alone.

Steve Williams Monday, August 24th 2009 at 9:06PM

Harry, you asked me what I think. I think you are an interesting fellow. I enjoy having my mind agitated. I admire what is in your heart, which is a desire for a great people. I believe everyone here is working for absolute justice. Be proud of those who have their own ways and means. And I think it is good you have your own blog on these matters, then everyone feels welcome and free to talk on your blog. Look at how positive this has been, with little offense.

Harry Watley Monday, August 24th 2009 at 9:37PM

Hello Mr. Mozell,

When you say, “OK Harry, God bless and keep you” could you now accept that Black Americans are the Apple of God’s Eye today? Tell me what you think.

What say you?

Harry Watley Monday, August 24th 2009 at 9:40PM

Hello Irma,

I do not understand your two questions. Would you rephrase them for me?

What say you?

Harry Watley Monday, August 24th 2009 at 10:01PM

Hello Ms. Shield,

I appreciate you. The things you have said to me a very encouraging. It seems that you understand my passion for Black Americans.

The sovereignty that I want for us on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders is going to snowball.

Just a few years from now, we are all going to see each other, work with each other because we have God’s favor. All Black Americans whether we be Christians and clergies, Muslims and Imams or Ministers, educated or not, professional or not, activists, rich or poor, lawmakers or not, whatever we are will not make a difference. We will all come together to make our sovereignty a success. The reality of our sovereignty will tell the world that God is real. How else could a people born in slavery to become sovereign people on the continent they were enslaved happen except, but by God’s intervention?

However, know that they are some very difficult days ahead.

What say you?

Harry Watley Monday, August 24th 2009 at 10:06PM

Hello Steve,

Yes Steve, I do see how positive this has been. I appreciate you.

What say you?

Harry Watley Tuesday, August 25th 2009 at 8:54AM

Hello Ms. Irma,

Irma let me explain to you the meaning of what I typed to Mr. Mozell.

I typed that today Black Americans are the, “Apple of God’s Eye”. Now, Black Americans being the, “Apple of God’s Eye” he did not like.

However, the Jewish people were proud to have this label for thousands of years without one Hebrew person to disagree with this label of them.

But, here is a Black American, Mr. Mozell, who is not proud to have such a label of himself and his people.

Therefore, when you compare the mentality of Mr. Mozell and any Hebrew person, something is wrong with Mr. Mozell, mentally speaking. In other words, why would Mr. Mozell not want something good attached to himself and his people as the label, “Apple of God’s Eye“?

This psychological problem of Mr. Mozell let me to say how oblivious Mr. Mozell is that he is programmed to operate against himself and his people.

This is all there is to it, Ms. Irma and I hope you do not complicate the issue. I said once before, that Negroes are famous for complicating everything because they see everything complicated.

What say you?

Steve Williams Tuesday, August 25th 2009 at 10:06AM

"He found him in a desert land, and in the waste howling wilderness; he led him about, he instructed him, he kept him as the apple of his eye."

Harry Watley Tuesday, August 25th 2009 at 11:04AM

Hello Steve,

I noticed that what you posted, is someone else’s quote, to wit; "He found him in a desert land, and in the waste howling wilderness; he led him about, he instructed him, he kept him as the apple of his eye."

Now, how does the quote you posted ties into the spirit of what I am saying that Black Americans are the Apple of God’s Eye today? Please explain yourself to me.

What say you?

Steve Williams Tuesday, August 25th 2009 at 1:16PM

The quote is from Deuteronomy 32:10. The reference is to Jacob (Israel). I believe this is scripture for Jew, Christians, and Muslims alike. Is it likewise for your new religion?

Harry Watley Tuesday, August 25th 2009 at 2:14PM

Hello Steve,

I think you may be confusing yourself. Firstly, let us agree that the phrase, “Apple of God’s Eye” is a figure of speech that is applicable to any people.

Now, Deuteronomy 32: 10 is about God’s relationship with Jacob (Israel). In Deuteronomy, God’s relationship with Jacob has nothing to do with God’s relationship with Black Americans and me. In other words, you are confusing yourself about four horses (Jews, Christians, Muslims and Black Americans) of different colors, trying to merge them all as one horse of the same color. You need to separate them out, giving each their own.

Likewise, the Jews, Christians and Muslims have nothing to do with God’s relationship with Black Americans and me. What God is doing for Black Americans through me is for Black Americans. What God has done for Jews, Christians and Muslims was for them.

Likewise, what scriptures the Jews, Christians and Muslims have are their scriptures and will have no influence on the scriptures and religion Black Americans are due to have. Am I making any sense with you? Tell me what you think.

What say you?

Steve Williams Tuesday, August 25th 2009 at 3:03PM

When you say they will have no influence I think you are contradicting yourself as the story of Moses seems to have greatly influenced you.

Can you not simply take the verse as an example of God's love towards all his created?

"Keep me as the apple of the eye, hide me under the shadow of thy wings,"
Psalm 17:8

Harry Watley Tuesday, August 25th 2009 at 5:23PM

Hello Steve,

Steve I think that you are missing the entire point. You have not resonated with anything I have been saying. So, let us start over, and I will feed you little bitsy pieces at a time.

First bitsy peace is this. God and God alone are inspiring me. Neither Moses, nor the scriptures is controlling or inspiring me. Just as God inspired Moses and all the other prophets with our scriptures, God is inspiring me.

Okay, the only defense that you have if you doubt me is to show that anything I say is wrong or senseless.

Now, I will wait for you to understand what I just said before I move on.

Tell me what you think.

What say you?


Steve Williams Tuesday, August 25th 2009 at 5:57PM

Sister Irma, it is too bad, I think it is a beautiful verse.

Steve Williams Tuesday, August 25th 2009 at 6:05PM

And thank you brother Harry for agitating my mind to find it.

Harry Watley Tuesday, August 25th 2009 at 6:48PM

Hello Steve,

I do not understand what you mean when you said, “thanks Harry for agitated my mind.” Put the “thanks Harry for agitated my mind.” with the last thing, I said to you about God and only God is inspiring me, not Moses or anyone or anything else and tell me what you think.

What say you?

Steve Williams Tuesday, August 25th 2009 at 7:21PM

Hello Harry,

You said to me earlier on this blog: "...because I am agitating or stirring the waters of their minds to think differently about the scriptures and themselves."

When you started talking about the apple of God's eye, I searched and found the verse:

"He found him in a desert land, and in the waste howling wilderness; he led him about, he instructed him, he kept him as the apple of his eye."

Now we could say that you inspired me, and God speaking through this verse inspired me. It is a beautiful thought, this verse. Don't you think so?

Harry Watley Tuesday, August 25th 2009 at 8:19PM

Hello Steve,

Yes, it is a beautiful verse. However, that is the relationship God had with Jacob which have nothing to do with God's inspiration to me. So, what I am asking you is how have I inspired you? Do you understand me and are you being honest with me?

What say you?

Harry Watley Tuesday, August 25th 2009 at 9:48PM

Hello Irma,

All Steve has to do is explain how God’s relationship with Jacob had anything to do with God’s relationship with me. I am a Black American and Jacob was a Jew. In addition, Jacob’s problems are not the same as my problems. Jacob’s people are not the same as my people. Why is that so hard to understand?

Therefore, by virtue of common sense God’s relationship with Jacob would certainly be different from God’s relationship with me.

What say you?

Steve Williams Tuesday, August 25th 2009 at 9:49PM

Harry, I do understand you and I am being honest with you. I use the word inspire in both these senses:

1. To stimulate to action; motivate
2. To draw forth; elicit or arouse

To put in my own words, you make me search hard for answers.

Steve Williams Tuesday, August 25th 2009 at 9:56PM

I can't explain God's relationship with you Harry, only the relationship which I have with God, which is such as expressed in that verse.

Harry Watley Tuesday, August 25th 2009 at 10:34PM

Hello Steve,

Yes, 1 & 2 are how inspiration works. However, my inspiration is strictly from God. It is not from books or having conversation with others. Books cannot guide me to remove the beliefs and customs of American Blacks preparing them to become sovereign people.

Moses had to do the same with the Hebrew people, and it took him 20 years, approximately. He had to remove the beliefs and customs of the Hebrew people, preparing them to Exodus, Egypt to become a sovereign people in the land of Canaan.

How else would I lead us out of subjugation in White America and into sovereignty on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders unless I remove from Black Americans their beliefs in Christianity, Islam, and this system out of their bloodstream, preparing them to be sovereign people?

Such inspiration must come from God, because the task is out of this world that only a man of God can do it. In other words, the entity that is inspiring me must be greater than the opposition. Now, White America is my opposition and at the same time, White America is the greatest people of today. So, as you can see, I am facing a double whammy. However, the opposition I am to handle is the ignorance of my people and God will handle my oppositions. Was not this same scenario done in the case of Moses and Pharaoh?

In addition, the scriptures White Americans believe in certainly God would not give that to me. The entity that is inspiring me is God! Does that make any sense to you? Tell me what you think.

Now, you cannot explain God’s relationship to me. However, I could explain to you God’s relationship to me. How I’d best do that is to, use Moses as examples, references, comparisons and contrasts to get my point across, and you have seen that I often times do just that.

What say you?

ROBINSON IRMA Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM

Harry it is actually so sad that you can not see any one in the human race as an individual...not even the hint that when you are hungry and another person eats that you will remain hungry until you own individual stomach or your own self believe you are no longer hungry. when 1 person dies in say Japan, not all of the Japanese Family dies...and so on and so forth of how these things have been going on in the human race by o-n-e person/i-n-d-i-v-i-d-u-a-ls at a time...but again we are speaking in the English language that has come out of many, many different individuals teaching us how to speak this language by a natural part of the individual's powers to sent and receive that message be it sign language, writting or just by way of a smile, a song,etc. ect......(smile)

This is because up until now this is the only way for mankind to be able to communicate with each other...a message must be sent and the message must be be recieved by someeone, place or thing like say our computers are doing right now enorder to have COMMUNICATION...I doubt if many peoples are going to want to give things like their phones, computers or jobs, up just to start all over again(smile)

But, common sense as well as choice must be given up also to come into your part of the earth now does't it...

Brother Steve you know this reminds me back in the day when a lot of peoples wanted to start their own society and get away from all of thi s mess in our open society...but, there was one thing stoping them, the need for monies to start their own place and locking these vices out...so they truned to robbing peoples, stores and banks to be able to do so...(smile) this is a true story but not for those not willing to allow facts and truths into their lives...

ROBINSON IRMA Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM

...between a rock and a hard place...is where you are Steve.But, this is why while dialoging one can not declare WAR(smile)lov ya

ROBINSON IRMA Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM

Steve, if a person has already made up their mind that God did not create man in his own image and saw this as "good"...that God made so many mistakes that "H-E" has been CHOSEN to correct those major mistakes of a PERFECT GOD then why even try to say anything like Mozell has the God and man given right to freedom of speech and thought(smile)

Love and respect you my brothe Steve for giving it your all to dialogue but this is trying to get a closed mind to allow what you have to say as coming from a sane person doing this logical kinds of a dialogue.(smile)

ROBINSON IRMA Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM

Brother Harry, I got tose questions from you response to brother Mozell. "No one knows first hand except me". and from the paragraph that follows the one that that direct quote from you can about. This paragraph is talking about LABELS and being programed wrong...

I ask these questions because you seem to be talking about reprograming the human body and mind away from what it has become over thousands millions of years of evolution...that is all.

Just going on something I have learned about the only stupid question is the one not asked when one seeks knowledge. That's all I am doing...

ROBINSON IRMA Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM

two questions...

1. If what Mozell does with bringing such beauty and positive writting to human beings is so wrong(right, LABLE) for Black America in the wrong placesthat he lives in rigth now and in real time and this is both the wrong time and wrong place...

2. How does one be able to roll back what has happened until it has been JUDGED that this can be done in the right time and the right place his already sold books...

Or, must time stop, be rolled back and all things unlearn ,under the wrong education labels all they have learned...and how about the brand new born baby which is born being able to speak the language of survival by way of crying when it is in need of things to make them happy, savf and content from hunger/pain...this is called natural instince to survive or the first law of nature in all born of woman(smile)

Or, time to "survive" waits for no man, woman, child, thing nor the proper time/place.(smile)

ROBINSON IRMA Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM

Craig,I do believe that the history of the success of those who Jim Jones led to "Africa" has put a crimp in this style of private nation buildings in this manner.Please, pay close attention to "I" said 'crimp' not put and end to...

Now in TIME scientific study(geology experts in this field of science, NOT ME)say a part of the state of California will break off from this continent of North America and become a new continent. I do believe that until this happens all of the known by mankind continents have already been taken....

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