The Generational Debate: Baby Boomers vs. the X Generation.

Stop dodging the disscusion.

This is work! Lol. Time to step down.

Johnny
You say,
"The election of Barrack Obama by mostly young people shows young people are ready for this world. We're tired of old energy and old ideas."

Our Leader President Baraka Hussein Obama was elected because College Educated people voted Democratic in Mass;
and because, finally 18-30 year old people and Minorities; Voted----they finally got off of their arses and helped tip a national election.----

Young People can CHANGE into Our Leader Baraka Hussein Obama----
they can now Get Educated-Excel Academically, Be Responsible-Become a community organizer; -Get Married; have a few kids; name them Baraka, Hussein or Malia;-pay taxes and by 45-50 years make some Good Decisions and Use Good Judgement.

...'old people'...

Dude stop calling our Elders 'old people' because that's just not right. Respect is what it's all about you know---mind your manners--- because you too will one day be old.

I'm of Gen X and I happen to believe that we should all learn from one another to make things happen. We need to merge the best of both the Boomers and Gen X to make things happen. No one person/group has all the answers and that is why I admire Pres. Obama for trying to work with the best of all groups. Everyone has something to bring to the table Brother John... You can learn something from Pres. Obama because one thing he does is Respect his Elders. That is what we in Gen X need to do so that our years can continue to be long on this earth.

NUFF SAID my sister! I am also from Gen X and I agree we are all here to learn from each other. The world is for the taking if we can all be adults and build together. This is not beyond our reach if we unite in the RIGHT way …all egos aside. Let’s take what the scriptures taught and what we've learned and make it serve us as a whole. Trust me we're already successful when we put aside our difference and work together.

I'm saying it's time for them to step aside so we can do that. It's time for Baby Boomers to teach the youth how to lead and then step back and let them lead. Period! Anything else is just bull.

There is teaching yes, we've already done that and will continue. There will be no stepping aside, if you want to take the lead then take it, be the new heavyweight champions. Think we're going to hand it to you?

I'm taking it now!

I'm telling you Baby Boomers has been up long ago and to step aside. I don't care how you feel about it our future as a people needs young energy and new ideas.

Hello to all,

Let us put some rhyme and reasoning to the problems of Black Americans who are descendents of slaves since we are looking for a solution and a permanent one at that. Let us reason rather than argue, criticize or just whine.

To begin with, let us understand we want to solve the problems of Black Americans and no other problems of America. In other words, our focus is only on Black Americans since we are a people that have been swallowed up. In other words, our focus is not on the Democratic Party, the Republican Party, President Barack Obama, the baby boomers, generation X or anything else.

Therefore, the question is what is Black America’s problem? What it is that we want? We only have one wish from the Genie in the lamb to give us what we want that would last forever. What wish will that be? That wish has to resolve all of our problems, permanently with one sweep of the hand and at the same time give us sovereignty on a portion of this continent that would last forever. Do you all understand me?

Our wish must be that we become a sovereign people or have complete independence on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity. We want our hands on the helm of our own destiny. This portion of land could be from the borders of South and North Carolina to the Canadian border and from the Mississippi River to the Atlantic Ocean. Do you all understand me?

Now, having said all that we have a starting point, which is to permanently resolve all of our problems and an end point, which is sovereignty or complete independence on a portion of this continent that would last forever. I know that I am right about everything I say. If any one of you feels that my position is wrong, irrational, and illogical or just plain dumb, then present something better.

FYI, the sovereignty or complete independence on a portion of this continent for Black Americans is going to happen and only the Anointed One of God could make this happen.

Tell me what you think.

(reading the local newspaper) OOOOOOOOOOOOOH, THEM CHICKEN BREASTS ON SALE FOR 89 CENTS A POUND??? COME ON JEN, LET'S GET IN MY CAR & GO SHOPPING!!!

LOLLOLLOL!!!!

Good for you John! Go for the KO, we will take it like Men! (Sorry Ladies, just a figure of speech.) But it is a training exercise if you will. If you surpass, it will be the realization of our dreams. To merely step aside is not really what you need from us.

Hello Siebra,

You are funny. Sometimes you are more of a clown than anything else and I do not mean that derogatorily or as an insult. You can be very entertaining. Have you ever thought about becoming a clown? Perhaps, being a school administrator may not be your higher calling.

Okay.

Hello Steve,

So, you found someone (Mr. John Washington) that you can handle. That is someone with enough errors about themselves that you could correct and give advice. That is good for you and Mr. Washington as well.

Train him in such ways that when he grows up he will not depart from it or should I say your training.

Okay.

Hello Harry,

I have noticed your posts are becoming more rational. John is a grown man. I have five grown sons I have trained for better or worse time will tell. I am proud of all of them. John has had his training, he is ready to seize the reins of power. This is a good thing.

If all the black leaders today are old, is that their fault? No one gave them permission to do what they did, or stepped aside for them. As for Mr. Wright, I listened to his speech on 911 and think it is a powerful message. If he was destroyed by a 15 minute clip, that is in the minds of others, not mine.

The Internet has brought a sort of chaos, as everyone from the least to the greatest can now proclaim their version of truth to the world, or as much nonsense as they wish. Who will bring order from this chaos. The young black leaders must stand forth if they wish change. President Obama has set an example. There is no one to hold them back but their own selves.

..."(reading the local newspaper) OOOOOOOOOOOOOH, THEM CHICKEN BREASTS ON SALE FOR 89 CENTS A POUND??? COME ON JEN, LET'S GET IN MY CAR & GO SHOPPING"...

You are so funny for real. We do need to go shopping! Lol

I would agree with Mr. Willams but Mr. Watley is a little arrogant. Mr. Wiliams knows that it's long due the time for younger, bolder and fresh idealistic leadership that will take us beyond.

Mr. Watley you spend too much time trying to compete and therefore you don't so you stooped to demeaning others to make yourself look good. This is a corrupt trick it's not honorable. It's more of the same sh!t we are dealing now everybody putting spin on truth so much you don't know what the real truth is.

Mr. Watley,

How you say I need training yet it is you whom is borrowing from the Nation of Islam their language and you are paraphrasing them with the portion of this continent black independance talk. I told you it's already a prediction long before Elijah Muhammad said it that we would have to have our own land in order for it to be peace between whites and ourselves. You're just new to this and just now it seems giving it thought. But you're not on to the stage what would be the conditions that will make this possible? Some of us are so beyond that stage that we are actually been making preparation for years.

Some of us have already formed own government and private groups and orders. You are so behind Mr. Watley yet you act like you're out in front. I can only laugh at such ignorance for to debate it would give validation and it doesn't deserve nothing more than a chuckle. Lol.

Hello Mr. Washington,

Let us look at what is going on and at the same time put away the criticism. Let us first start with what I am saying.

I said that God had inspired me with the concept of sovereignty as Black Americans only permanent solution. Consequentially, I am Black America’s first genuine prophet. Now, my position is clear. I advocate and promote the sovereignty or complete independence of Black Americans on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way as our only permanent solution.

Now, let us look at your position. In response to my position you said this, “How you say I need training yet it is you whom is borrowing from the Nation of Islam their language and you are paraphrasing them with the portion of this continent black independance talk”

This comment indicates that your position is no more than criticism of me, am I right. In other words Mr. Washington, you do not have any position.

Your rightful obligation should be if you disagree with me to show that I am wrong about the concept of sovereignty or that you should present something better than criticizing me.

Mr. Farrakhan the present leader of the NOI neither advocates nor promotes the sovereignty of Black Americans. Mr. Farrakhan is a religious leader of Christianity but mostly Islam, he is an author of various books and he is an entrepreneur. He is simply not God’s anointed one that would lead Black Americans into sovereignty or complete independence on a portion of this continent. Have I honestly described Mr. Farrakhan?

In addition, you said this, “Some of us have already formed own government and private groups and orders.”

Please tell me more about our own government, private groups and orders. I do not understand what you mean.

Waiting to hear from you.

John, I would like to know also but only if it is something you want to disclose. I have proposed to Harry a couple concrete ideas on ways and means but have only been told I am talking nonsense. He questions my sincerity as well.

Hello Steve,

I have repeatedly said to you that God have inspired me with the only permanent solution that will change the circumstances of Blacks in White America. I continue to say that God constantly inspires me.

I have use the true story of Moses to give validity to the things I say. No one has been able to say that I am wrong or that I I am not rational.

Having said this Steve what should make you think your ideas I should accept and tell God to go away. Are you plumb out of your drunken mind?

Your rightful obligation is to show and prove that I am wrong.

I could imagine how the lives of Black Americans would be if we were to become sovereign tomorrow on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders along with God’s help, since I know from God’s inspiration what is going to happen. Steve, do you believe that it is better that Black Americans stay the course rather than to accept sovereignty or complete independence on a portion of this continent that we can call our very own country with borders?

After all the years of slavery, hangings, racism and subjugation by White America towards Black Americans, you would not want Black Americans to become a sovereign people? However, a more virtuous reason other than slavery is that Blacks needs to experience the natural obstacles that nature hurls at independent people. Black Americans needs to make decisions for themselves. Black Americans needs to have their hands on the helm of their own destiny. Do you disagree and if so, please put some rhyme and reason why you think we should not want to become sovereign people.

What say you?

Mr. Williams,

Mr. Watley is trying his best to be a charlatan. Lol. Calling himself a prophet. A prophet of what? And from whom?

Is his God suddenly my God and your God now? Lol. What about all those people whom he's claming he's sent to, is his God their God too?

This is just one of the few laws of power being used by Mr. Watley here. I'm not buying any of that crap and most people here gotta think he's crazy or on drugs. Yet I dont' think he's crazy nor is he on drugs but he's certainly being overly strong.

This thing that is coming the Apolcalyspe is so powerful it will sweep away every major religion and people will go back to believing what they know of God. Instead of believing what they have been told about God. Some will have a more educated view of God and others will have a more informal education of God. But one thing will be utterly clear God will be a center for most people whom survive the Apocalayspe.

The Apocalayspe is the cleansing becuase man refuses to cleanse the world of such nonsense as Mr. Watley tries to portay with his prophet game. There's nothing wrong with embracing the supreme being but when we start putting claims forth as if God only talks to you and you are his spokeman then we have denied God talks with all creatures and including men and forces of nature.

God is present everywhere and God is beyond name or attributes. God is incomprehensionable because God is so far in another dimension above us that it doesn't resemble anything in ours!

We are put here to evolve, grow and reach up through higher dimension until we ascend to the realm of God and become one again. No man is here to do that for any other human being they must do it for themselves. You can't force enlightment upon another it must come by their own will. This is a sacred law that even God does not violate.

Chalartan's are dangerous people because they are charismatic they create cult personality worshipping followers whom's mindset reflect the negative side of their leader in their wish to please or satisfy his or her crazy evil vision. The Nation of Islam is such a cult where Mr. Watley appears have gotten the game on how to run such a chalartan trick. Lol. The Nation of Islam was so corrupt it took millions of dollars of the people's money and dumped it into pockets of the corrupt few whom ran it! When Malcolm X became a threat to oppose them they tactically assasinated his character then finally his body! We can't allow evil men to devise any cult like following under our watch and stand idly by. But once they are started we must deal with them carefully like handling a snake. There's no greater threat to our security than to be divided even more than we already are! We don't know people pysche out over some cult and going hey wire! We need to work together as a group that is the hardest thing!

Now on with Mr. Watley and chalartans whom strive to keep the gates of heaven close because they will not enter and they refuse to let others enter. How so? They claim they are go betweens for God. There's no go betweens and men who claim such they are extortist of your intelligence and your will to evolve.

Have blessed day.

Well spoken John. The world is certainly on the verge of an apocalypse, but I see you have many words of hope. So let's all do our best to avert this. It is another issue I have with Harry, that he is only concerned with a sovereign nation for Black Americans. No nation will survive if we fail to prevent the use of nuclear weapons in the future. And this cannot be achieved by misguided attempts to prevent their proliferation, but rather addressing the worldwide tensions that will eventually lead to their use if we do not.

Hello Mr. Washington,

Again, you have written a long reply to my accusation that you do not have a position except to criticize me. Now you are calling me a charlatan, which is nothing more than additional criticism.

Therefore, let me ask you this question Mr. Washington. Do you think that it is a bad concept that Black Americans become a sovereign people or have complete independence on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way?

Tell me what you think.

Hello Steve,

Well Steve look at it this way, as soon as Black Americans become a sovereign nation on a portion of this continent, Black America’s president will be another voice against nuclear proliferation. Am I right?

Tell me what you think.

Hello Harry,

Nuclear proliferation is inevitable, it cannot be stopped. It is only a matter of time before a nuclear weapon is used against some human population again.

Unless we are able to heal the divisions of this world that will result in its use. And we are way behind on that score. We continue to make enemies for ourselves, their hatred for us increases day by day.

We had better make peace, and soon.

Nuclear weapons will be used to kill off millions of people in hopes of suppressing world wide resistance against globalization into one world order. There are 21 distinct civilizations on this planet there's no way we can make them all into one whole. Some of them are highly evolved and others highly unevolved and I would say ours is one of the ones out of touch with harmony.

Mr. Williams is right we need to deal with the issues causing tensions such as racial and religious prejudice.

Mr. Watley again you keep asking the same question as if I've not answered it.

I'm in full support of a Black American Nation but the question is how?

It is not a question to be answered by one person but by a group of wise men and women whom aren't afraid of carrying the burden of making it happen. There will even be deaths, death threats and all kinds of plots against those whom form such an alliance. Mr. Watley you need to deal with the actual reality of what you're tryna get across.

Hello Steve,

You do not really pay attention to what I am saying. Did I not say that as soon as Black Americans become a sovereign people on a portion of this continent the voice of Black Americans would be among the other sovereign countries against nuclear proliferation?

Steve the world is afraid of White America. The world is desperately trying to our acquire nuclear weapons not because they are aggressive but to keep White America at bay.

The world saw White America attack Iraqi and devastated that country and Iraqi did nothing to White America nor was Iraq a threat to White America. Now, White America was then and is quite capable now of dropping a nuclear bomb on Iraqi or any other country am I right? Those countries desperately trying to acquire nuclear weapons are wondering which one of them will be next.

I am telling you that the world hangs in a balance based on Black Americans becoming a sovereign country to influence and guide White America. Again, the world is afraid of the mind and things that White America is capable of, using Iraqi as an example.

It is going to become the obligation of Black Americans to save and guide White Americans to do the right and moral things.

While Black Americans may seem insignificant now, Black Americans will become most significant in the near future. Steve the things I tell you are going to happen.

Tell me what you think.

Hello Mr. Washington,

As a Black American who is a descendent of slaves, you said this, “and I would say ours (country) is one of the ones out of touch with harmony.”

Mr. Washington, would you please tell me what country do Black Americans have to be out of touch with harmony?

I could readily see that your thinking is a Floridian slit of the mind. I would simply put it that you are operating out of a slave mentality. You remember when the slave master would say he does not feel well and the slave would say Boss ‘we’ do not feel well today? Do you get my drift Mr. Washington?

Mr. Washington you have a distance to go yet, psychologically speaking to detach your mind from White America and think independently.

You go on to say that, you are in agreement with Black Americans becoming a sovereign people or have complete independence on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders. However, you are expressing your thoughts and support wrongly. This is how you should express your feelings and have in your mind this way. I, Mr. Washington am in support of Black Americans who are descendents of slaves becoming a sovereign people or have complete independence on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders, instead of saying that you are in support of a Black American Nation.

A Black American Nation is not the same thing as what I am saying about Black Americans who are descendents of slaves becoming a sovereign people or have complete independence on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders.

What a person says obviously is what the person has in mind. If you do not have it, right in your mind naturally you are not going to express it right in the open. Do you get my point Mr. Washington? Therefore, be very mindful and careful about how you say things.

Next, you wanted to know how Black Americans’ sovereignty could be achieved. That is my responsibility since God inspired me with the concept of sovereignty as our only permanent solution. Therefore, we ought first to understand the significance and responsibilities of having such a desire. We, as a people have no idea what it is like to have our hands on the helm of our own destiny. Consequentially, we need to become familiar and understand the significance and responsibilities of sovereignty or complete independence and spread the concept to the rest of our people before we know how.

So, let me ask you the question why do you suppose that sovereignty our only permanent solution and what is sovereignty to you?


Tell me what you think.

Hello Harry,

Here is a profound error on your part: "This is how you should express your feelings and have in your mind this way. I, Mr. Washington..." Because of this fundamental error, if for no other reason, you will never get your Sovereign State.

Hello Steve,

You did not explain what the fundamental error is. Is it a gramatical error or is it something fundationally irrational. Please explain yourself.

What say you?

Hello Harry,

The fundamental error is in telling a person what they should think, say, i.e. that they should think and say like you. As you did with Mr. Washington, not only telling him how he should order his mind, but also how he should phrase his thoughts.

Hello Steve,

You said this, “The fundamental error is in telling a person what they should think”

Steve, there was nothing wrong with what I advised Mr. Washington on if I am right. Now, if you could show that what I said to Mr. Washington would lead to some sort of harm or complications to his well-being then you would have a valid argument against me, otherwise all you are doing is nit-picking or fussing at me. I repeatedly asked you to look for the good and what I say rather than trying to find me wrong you would be improving your wisdom and understanding. Am I right?

Now, do you agree that the expression, I support a Black Nation is different from the expression, I want Black Americans who are descendents of slaves to become a sovereign people or have complete independence from White America on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way?

Tell me what you think.

Hello Harry,

Do you not understand the difference between what you say and how you say it? You told me when you were growing up there was no wiggle room. Well create some wiggle room or you will have the room all to yourself.

Hello Steve,

Steve I understand your frustration. We are friends now and how people become good friends is tolerating the difficulties, good feelings and bad feelings. We have passed the point of toleration and that is why we are good friends.

Having said that let me politely say this, you did not answer my question. Now, my question to you was this, do you agree that the expression, I support a Black Nation is different from the expression, I want Black Americans who are descendents of slaves to become a sovereign people or have complete independence from White America on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way?

Please, let us finish out the dialogue of whether I was leading Mr. Washington in the right direction and if you answer my question, it would be most helpful to move on.

Going to another subject concerning wiggle room is a different thought and concept from our present dialogue.

So, please answer my question.

Tell me what you think.

Hello Harry,

It is my understanding that John was agreeing with you, in his own words. But it would be John to say whether my understanding is correct. As to which of you have the most correct phrasing, I respectfully decline to judge. But I did notice that John asked the question: How? I also have the same question. Whether you will answer is up to you. I would, however, prefer that you do, rather than addressing any other point of this post.

Hello Steve,

So many people have asked me the question, how could sovereignty on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders be achieved.

I said to them how sovereignty will be achieved is not as important as understanding its significance, what it will turn us into as a people, the responsibilities of being a sovereign people, the rewards and respect that the world would give to us and lastly faithfully embracing the concept of sovereignty.

In other words, what good or benefit it is to you to know how to achieve sovereignty and you do not have any faith that it could happen?

No Black leaders advocates and promotes the sovereignty of Black Americans because they do not believe it is possible. They subliminally and psychologically believe that White America is invincible.

Rev. Farrakhan does not believe it could happen and that is why he preaches everything else except the sovereignty and complete independence of Black Americans on a portion of this continent, am I right?

I know this much, if a Black Muslim or Christian do not believe that his or her sovereignty is not possible it will not happen and then why should they believe in God? Their professed faith in God is false and they do not really understand that it is.

Steve, my people is entirely up side down. It is people as the Hebrews and Black Americans that God sends prophets since we are entirely upside down and without any wherewithal to do something for ourselves.

The Hebrew people were also entirely upside down and Prophet Moses had a tremendous task. I said I am Black America’s first genuine prophet. Do you not think that I have a tremendous task as well? Moses could not have been successful without the help of God neither will I be. However, I know that I will be successful because God inspired me with the concept of sovereignty as God inspired Moses with the concept of the Exodus.

The only collateral interest God requires of Black Americans is to believe and have faith in their own sovereign freedom and it will happen.

It took Moses approximately 20 years to nourish his people’s belief and faith in their own Exodus. The people believe that Pharaoh was invincible. Am I making any sense with you? Furthermore, Steve, the more Black Americans come to believe that they own sovereign freedom is possible many of the ills we suffer now will gradually come to a stop on its own accord.

Anyhow, Steve, all I am to do right now is to make more sense than anyone else is and that is why I say that I am wiser than any Black American and White Americans as well. Does that make any sense to you?

Tell me what you think.