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I have a question.

Harry Watley · Thursday, October 29th 2009 at 9:17PM · 1059 views
Hello

I have a question.

Black Americans who are descendents of slaves have been cooking in White America’s stainless steel melting pot over 500 years.

Now my question is this, do we stay in the pot to continue cooking or do we get out and try something different?

Tell me what you think.

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Harry Watley Thursday, October 29th 2009 at 10:40PM

Hello Jeremy,

I do agree with you this one time. In addition, it made me laugh because you are absolutely right.

Steve Williams Friday, October 30th 2009 at 5:48AM

A Native North American racial theory in the form of a legend held that American Indians were superior to blacks and whites. The legend said that in God's first attempt to make a human he cooked him too long, making blacks. In God's second attempt, he didn't cook them enough, making whites. In God's third attempt he realized the golden brown perfection of the American Indian.

Steve Williams Friday, October 30th 2009 at 5:51AM

Jeremy, I did not at first take you for a hater.

Harry Watley Friday, October 30th 2009 at 6:44AM

Hello Steve,

Steve I once said some time ago that I have read many different stories of creation and the one that makes the most sense is the one written in the Bible. Therefore, the legend that you are talking about, falls in the category of folk tale stories for the purpose of entertainment only.

However, do you think that Black Americans should continue cooking in White America’s stainless steel melting pot or should they get out, rinse off the garlic, salt, pepper, and try something different since 500 years is a long time to be in the same predicament?

I am looking for a real intelligent common sense dialogue. I hope someone in the audience could accommodate me.

Tell me what you think

robert powell Friday, October 30th 2009 at 9:29AM

Garlic, A food from The Creator, helped jeremyhasansiebraziglar get out of the Wilderness.
The Europeans had to get pepper from Muslims----

My grandma was Native so I like Steves' thoughts on This.

Our Leader President Baraka Hussein Obama grew up in Muslim Indonesia and they can make garlic and pepper HOLLER----

So I choose to Eat with The Greatest American Cook of all time,
President Baraka Hussein Obama.

Harry Watley Friday, October 30th 2009 at 4:11PM

Hello Robert,

Well Robert, the blog is not about garlic, Jeremy, President Obama or your grandmother.

Please answer the question the blog ask.

What say you?

robert powell Friday, October 30th 2009 at 4:21PM

English Language again,

So I choose to Eat with The Greatest American Cook of all time,
President Baraka Hussein Obama.

The pot now belongs to Our Leader President Baraka Hussein Obama
and all those that follow His Guidance and Leadership.

Harry Watley Friday, October 30th 2009 at 4:53PM

Hello Derek,

I am going to respond to you as though you are a White person because if you are a Black American who is a descendents of slaves your mindset would indicate that you are blind, deaf and dumb or literally mentally dead to think that equality is the permanent solution for Black Americans.

Derek is not a question about equality. What I am saying is that Black Americans needs to know and experience what it is like to brave and overcome the natural obstacles nature hurls at sovereign people and their country to prove themselves.

It is the same as a toddler taking its first step. The first step a child takes is apart of growing up. No one else could take the first step for the toddler and the toddler would somehow know how to walk. It is the same as riding a bike for the first time. No one else can ride that bike for you and somehow you know by experience how to ride a bike.

Likewise, Black Americans have no experience when it comes to running themselves as a people if we had a country of our own. Consequentially, when you cannot run yourself someone else will run you and White America have been supervising or running Black Americans since slavery to the present day, see my point?

Therefore, I repeat myself, it is not a question of equality as much as it is a necessity that Black Americans become a sovereign people or have complete independence from White America on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way. What I have just said means that we will be running it and ourselves will not be any need for equality. Am I right?

Black Americans needs to have their hands on the helm of their own destiny. Black Americans are a different race of people than White Americans are. Black Americans are not here as other immigrants are. Black Americans were long into slavery in this country, a portion of this country belongs to us, and we will inherit our portion based on our ancestor’s presents here. Understand where I am coming from?

Do you think I have made a good point?

Tell me which you think.

Harry Watley Friday, October 30th 2009 at 5:10PM

Hello Robert,

The point that I am making is that the stainless steel melting pot will always belong to White America and never to President Obama.

When President Obama took the oath of office, it was to defend the Constitution of the United States of America, which was written out by White American’s forefathers.

Robert, you are not a person that thinks with commonsense. I have common sense and that is why God Allah has anointed me, the same as when Allah God anointed Moses because the Hebrew people did not have common sense either.

Again, the stainless steel melting pot is the real estate and Constitution of America, which all belongs to White America.

In other words, if you had answered the question I asked a few weeks ago who owns the real estate of America you would now have common sense to understand that what I am saying is rational common sense. However, you refused to answer my sophisticated question and now it is coming back on you to show you how ignorant of a person that you are.

Tell me what you think.

Harry Watley Friday, October 30th 2009 at 7:14PM

Hello Derek,

I am convinced that you are a White person. However, that does not matter since God have made me wiser than all White Americans in any Black American that opposes me.

Okay here goes; I think that you are missing my point. Firstly, Black Americans who are descendents of slaves are not African Americans. An African-American person is a person of African descent that has become a citizen of the United States. A Black American is a person that was born into slavery in this country and that is why the person is referred to as a descendent of slaves. The two people are entirely different people to each other.

Now, I believe the overall point you are making is that Black Americans should be grateful to be born into slavery, which is no big deal since every race has taste the bitterness of slavery.

Even if your point is valid it does not negate that Black Americans needs to have the experience of dealing and overcoming the natural obstacles that would qualify a race of people to be sovereign free and completely independent. I speak for all Black Americans and we want to brave the natural obstacles of nature. We want to feel and experience the joy of victory and accomplishments as well as feel and experience the agony of setbacks. Do you understand me?

In other words, giving your point of view 110% validation is not a substitute for the experience needed to be a sovereign free people.

I gave you the example of a toddler learning to walk and a juvenile learning to ride a bike for the first time. The toddler must experience falls to the floor, the juvenile must experience the bumps, and bruises when he or she falls to the pavement until both have overcome the natural obstacles of their challenges. If you do not understand what I am saying, you will repeat your nonsense point of views.

You should have the minimal intelligence to see that I am wiser than you are since I understand your viewpoints and you do not understand mines yet by your own admission.

How difficult is it to understand that you cannot walk for a toddler? The toddler must walk for its self. How difficult is it for you to understand that you cannot ride the bike for the juvenile? The juvenile must ride the bike for his or herself.

In other words, you cannot give me freedom and say that I am free. I must experience freedom for myself to say that I am free and sovereign. You cannot swim for me. I must feel the waves and taste the salt water for myself to know and experience the hazardous and obstacles associated with the ocean for myself.

Mr. Derek the time is shortly in front of us that Black Americans are going to be a sovereign people on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity for ourselves.

Black Americans must come to have their hands on the helm of their own destiny.

Tell me what you think.

Harry Watley Friday, October 30th 2009 at 8:43PM

Hello Derek,

I believe the circle that you are arguing from is too large for you to comprehend what I am saying. Therefore, I will close the circle in and we will talk about one thing at a time.

My question to you is this, of all the different races of people in America what race would you say owns the real estate of America.

In other words, I know that Chinese people owns the real estate of China. I also know that the French people own the real estate of France, even though different races reside in France as it is in America. Therefore, which race of people residing in America owns the real estate of America?

Give me your best intelligent answer; this will help us to find tuned which one of us is right about our positions.

I want sovereignty for my people and you do not want my people to have sovereignty since you are trying to convince me that everything is fine the way things are since this is the year 2009.

Okay, tell me the race that owns the real estate of America.

Harry Watley Friday, October 30th 2009 at 8:47PM

Hello Irma,

Please re-write or express yourself in a different way so I could understand what you are trying to say.

Okay.

Harry Watley Friday, October 30th 2009 at 9:56PM

Hello Derek,

You said this as your answer to my question who owns the real estate of America, “But getting back to the point, you think that America's "real estate" is owned by whites. It is.”

Just that we are on the same page, you are definitively saying that White American people owns the real estate of America. Well, you are absolutely right, Derek.

Now, how could you prove that you are right? Could you think of at least one way to prove that you are right?

Tell me what you think

Harry Watley Saturday, October 31st 2009 at 7:14AM

Hello Derek,

To understand why and how White American people own the real estate of America you must look back in time to see how White America came into existence. I will give you a hint, the year was 1776.

By virtue of common sense, we should know that a certain race of people must be responsible for the birth of this country we know as United States of America sense the birth of this country just could not happen by itself.

In other words, the many different races of people you see today in White America were neither present at the birth of America nor had anything to do with America’s birth.

The signatories of the Declaration of Independence as Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin John Quincy Adams etc. are the race and people that owns the real estate of White America representing the rest of White American people at that time. The Declaration of Independence serves as a certificate of ownership, the same as the certificate to your vehicle or the birth certificate of your child.

Now, the different races that you see in America today except for Black Americans who were the slaves of White American people were declaring their independence or sovereignty from King George of England.

The empire of Great Britain previously owned the real estate of America before the signatories of the Declaration of Independence and that was what the Revolutionary war was all about, independence and ownership of the real estate of America.

Mr. Derek you have confessed a couple of times already that you do not understand what I am saying. I could see that you do not since you go off track talking about banks, Jews and other races owning the real estate of America.

Mr. Derek what you need to do is unravel my rationally scenario showing that White American people owns the real estate and established this country along with Black Americans who were slaves of White American people before other races immigrated to this country.

It is unacceptable as well as ignorant that banks, Jews and all other races owns the real estate of this country since their signatures are not on the Declaration of Independence. In addition, to say that the Federal Reserve is Jewish owned tells me that you are not in my category of intelligence.

When you dialogue with me, you must dialogue with intelligence, relevancy and plausible scenarios as well as historical facts proving what you say that would bend the curve towards your rationale. If you continue just to blabber without presenting historical facts that are relevant and plausible, you are going to lose my interest.

I am already cognitive of your extreme lack of comprehension and intelligence since you see what I am saying as racism. In my few exchanges with you, I have never used the word racism. You have used the word racism without establishing a foundation for its use in our dialogue.

In other words, think of yourself as a lawyer arguing your position in a court of law. The rule is that you must first establish a foundation for a particular point you wish to raise, then raised the point, otherwise you are just babbling.

I presented historical facts to you such as the Declaration of Independence you must present historical facts to me as well to support your position and if you don’t you are going to lose my interest.

Good luck Mr. Derek.


Steve Williams Saturday, October 31st 2009 at 10:10AM

Welcome Derek. You see how confused Harry becomes if he cannot see your image to put you into the correct race? So far, is your "race" hidden? This is interesting.

Steve Williams Saturday, October 31st 2009 at 12:24PM

Hello Derek,

I do not believe in race. It is a false concept that perpetuates division.. It is an old concept that was used to justify the superiority or inferiority of certain groups of people. It is time to correct our thinking and deal with the real issues of poverty, education, and violence.

Steve Williams Saturday, October 31st 2009 at 12:30PM

In fact, when the next census comes round, or in any other government or non-government request for information on my race, my answer will be: NONE.

Steve Williams Saturday, October 31st 2009 at 12:31PM

Or maybe, HUMAN.

robert powell Saturday, October 31st 2009 at 12:42PM

Harry, harry, harry,

The Pot was purchased by the 1.5Billion Communist Chinese-----
The Pot is Oiled by the 2Billion Muslims-------------
The Pot is Seasonaed by the 1Billion Hindu---------------

Only yousiebraziglar and the "Blackers" and "Whiters" are not eating.

Our Leader President Baraka Hussein Obama is the Cook.

You better Get in Line to Eat.

Harry Watley Saturday, October 31st 2009 at 12:59PM

Hello Derek,

You do not understand nor do you get the gist of what I am saying. Where the dialogue is at now is pinning down what race of people owns the real estate of America.

You constantly avoid answering my question. What race owns the real estate of America?

I dialogue coherently and cohesively and not in an abstract way. Again, you are non-responsive to my question. All questions in a good dialogue should be answered. When this rule is not complied with the dialoguing is stopped cold.

I will leave it there. I cannot move on until my question is answered.

Okay.

Harry Watley Saturday, October 31st 2009 at 1:07PM

Hello Steve,

It does not matter what race Mr. Derek is, since the blog is not about race. It is about the sovereignty or complete independence of Black Americans who are descendents of slaves on a portion of this continent.

Okay.

Harry Watley Saturday, October 31st 2009 at 1:17PM

Hello Robert,

My blog does not ask the question, who owns the pot or who oiled the pot.

The question that is asked, should Black Americans continue cooking in America’s stainless steel melting pot or get out and try something different. After the all, Black Americans have been cooking for 500 years with the same results that Black Americans always falls short. The definition of insanity is when you do the same thing repeatedly while expecting a different result. So, please confine yourself to the question asked.

It would do the dialogue well if you would intelligently or with scholarship as you put it answer the question as it is expressed.

Okay.

Steve Williams Saturday, October 31st 2009 at 1:31PM

Hello Harry,

Your presupposition is that Black Americans are a race. Therefore we must prove or disprove that before moving further. Are you aware of the centuries long debate about race? If not, perhaps start here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_de...

robert powell Saturday, October 31st 2009 at 1:41PM

500 years of cooking has spoiled the Meal---
500 years of cooking and the Food is Bad
Even You, in your propheticMental state----you want another pot(sovereignty)----
I guess you didnt get a Meal.

I'm Fat, old, got AlIslaam from the Pot, got some wives, children, land, a little cash and freedom from eurocentric thought.

I'm now just hanging around to enjoy the Smell of the Pot, and thanking The Cook;

Our Leader President Baraka Hussein Obama.

By the way Harry, wish you were here;
I'm opening another School and Place of Prayer today.

Thank you Harry for an insightful Blog.

Harry Watley Saturday, October 31st 2009 at 1:58PM

Hello Steve,

I thought that we had settled the question of race a while back.

This is the common understandable definition of race. First by virtue of common sense and eyeball observation, any average person could see that 20 Japanese people on one side of a line and 20 Nigerian Africans on the other side of the line are two different people. I hope your brain could interpret the say.

Okay, this is what race is. A collection of people with distinct physical characteristics that are passed on through reproduction.

I believe that what you are saying is that there is no such thing as race and I am saying yes, there is such a thing as race, am I right.

Therefore, let me ask you this question. Do you believe that a Japanese person is the same as a Nigerian person?


Tell me what you think.

Steve Williams Saturday, October 31st 2009 at 2:33PM

Hello Harry,

A Japanese person and a Nigerian person are both persons. Anything else is inconsequential, unless we attempt to make it so. That is up to us.

Steve Williams Saturday, October 31st 2009 at 2:35PM

Sorry, I meant to say, unless we attempt to make it not so.

Harry Watley Saturday, October 31st 2009 at 4:08PM

Hello Steve,

You said this, “A Japanese person and a Nigerian person are both persons. Anything else is inconsequential,”

Addressing the first part of your answer that they are both persons. Well that is understandable and obvious. However, it takes no brain energy to determine that they are both persons. On the other hand, it will take a little brain energy to go a little further than just determining that there are persons. Therefore, if you cannot go further than that it is useless of me to enlighten you because your IQ is well below average to comprehend simple things.

What is happening here is that I am telling you that a Chevrolet and a Ford are two different cars and you are telling me it does not matter because they are both cars. Consequentially, if you cannot be past the idea that they are both cars to examine the differences in features, performances, and suspension system etc. then what can I do but leave you behind in your ignorance?

When you grow up and put your brains to full use, we could go further than just your simple observation that they are both persons and that is all.

I would be glad to continue the dialogue when you acquire more intelligence to know as everybody else commonly knows that there are traits and genetics differences between a Japanese person from a Nigerian person.

I believe an eight year of old could point out differences between Japanese people from Nigerian people and since you cannot that say a lot about your intelligence or IQ.

My intelligence overwhelms me to the point that I cannot stay at one stage when I could see that there are more stages to investigate. I am a person that wants to know everything that I could.

Okay.

Harry Watley Saturday, October 31st 2009 at 4:28PM

Hello Robert,

I understand your sad mental predicament.

You are mentally unable to comprehend anything outside the box. The box that you are in, is the ignorant box of White America that all Black Americans are in, because they find solace as opposed to wanting to be sovereign free or completely independent on a portion of this continent that they could call their very own country with borders.

For instance, when you say this, “By the way Harry, wish you were here; I’m opening another School and Place of Prayer today”

This comment tells me that you have settled in psychologically speaking as an inmate with a life sentence would settle into his prison life. The same as that of the Hebrew people expressing to Moses when they said to Moses why cause so much problems. We do not want to leave Egypt in our bondage, Pharaoh is nice to us, things could be worse. However, we are happy with the way things are. But, Moses knew his people were ignorant and stupid. You Robert fall into the same category. You have found comfort in Al Islam and inadvertently making other Blacks as ignorant as you are not to seek their sovereignty or Exodus. Have I made a valid point, Robert?

It is very difficult to get a blind person to see but that was Moses’ job as well as mines. Only God holds my success. Understand where I am coming from Robert?

What say you?

Steve Williams Saturday, October 31st 2009 at 6:29PM

Hello Harry,

An eight year old will not make anything of it unless taught to do so. That is the beauty of children. You on the other hand, are not innocent.

Harry Watley Saturday, October 31st 2009 at 10:22PM

Hello Steve,

You said this, “An eight year old will not make anything of it unless taught to do so.”

Well Steve, I beg to differ with you. I have seen examinations given to children on Sesame Street where they show pictures of objects that had commonalities yet were distinctly different and the children were able to determine the differences in the objects.

Now, why those children were able to determine what the differences are is because it is a part of the natural environment and that is how the intelligence of anyone is measured. A person’s intelligence or IQ is measured against what they should know from their natural environment by virtue of common sense.

What I have just pointed out is different from what White parents did years ago when they thought their children that the differences between Whites and Blacks was that Blacks were monkeys and coones. Now, that is racism.

We saw it in the movie picture with Sydney Porter, “Who Is Coming to Dinner”

However, what the topic is really about is whether a Japanese person is genetically, and by traits different from an African Nigerian person. I gave you the definition of determining racial differences please refers to it. I will insert it again, “A collection of people with distinct physical characteristics that are passed on through reproduction“

In other words, the type of eyes that Japanese people naturally have and passes on to their children is not the same type of eyes and African Nigerian person passes on to its offspring. I am tired of going over these simple things with the grown people.



Tell me what you think.

Harry Watley Saturday, October 31st 2009 at 10:32PM

Hello Clark,

I understand the point that you are making that we are all the same internally since we all have a liver in a pair of lungs.

However, that is not what I am saying. What I am saying is obvious to the eyes. What I am saying matches the slogan that birds of feathers naturally flock together.

Therefore, Mr. Clark let me ask you this question. Are you saying that there are no noticeable differences between a Japanese person and an African Nigerian person that you would naturally mistaken one for the other?

Tell me what you think.

Harry Watley Sunday, November 1st 2009 at 12:23AM

Hello Derek,

Okay, it seems that your shell has been cracked. Therefore, let me take another step forward with you.

I want to better your understanding of me because you said this, “You see the declaration of Independence, and bill of rights which was written over 200 years ago, that since there are no black people on it, that somehow it's wrong.”

I do not think that the Declaration of Independence is wrong at all. I also feel that Black peoples’ signatories should be on it on White American peoples’ document. It was a document written by White American people for White American people and has nothing to do with Black American people. The document belongs to White American people. Therefore, I am in agreement with everything.

In addition, not only are there no Black signatures, there are also no Chinese and Mexican signatures on the document either. This would substantiate the fact of what I have been saying all along that the real estate of this country solely belongs to White American people.

However, there is a twist to what I just said. Now, it is time to introduce another co-owner to the real estate of America. Black Americans are co-owners to the real estate of this country.

What I am saying is that there are only two races of people that jointly own the real estate of this country. All other races are emigrants.

Before I continue any, further I will let you chew on some of the things I just said.

In addition, Derek, you are not in the position to tell me I am not Black America’s first genuine prophet since you neither anointed me nor inspire and guide me constantly.

Tell me what you think.

Steve Williams Sunday, November 1st 2009 at 5:53AM

Clark, good observation, and here's what I think we need to do. Keep this thought in our minds, we are one race. Practice it in our lives daily. If we continue to practice, it will become natural to us. Our children will be brought up with a different way of thinking, and we will be able to solve the real problems of poverty, education, and violence. And thank you Clark and all BIA for helping me along this path we are all taking together.

Steve Williams Sunday, November 1st 2009 at 6:41AM

Hello Harry,

Let's move on. The question of race is not settled, but we have each taken our positions Time will tell which is correct.

On to the question of land ownership. You are incorrect that the Declaration of Independence established ownership of the land of America. The original occupants of the land were the American Indians. But they did not think in terms of land ownership, as the Europeans did. It was a foreign concept to them. The land was bought, taken through conquest, and swindled from them. An example of the latter can be understood if you study the history of the Black Hawk war, where large part of Illinois, Missouri, Indiana, and Wisconsin were taken by the American settlers. You should be glad that your ancestors were not part of this shameful episode.

This part of our American history involved mainly the Sacs and the Foxes. A treaty was signed in the 1820s or early 30s where the tribes allowed access to their land by the American settlers. As I said, the Indians did not understand land ownership and did not think of the treaty as selling the land. In addition, the signatories on the Indian side were not authorized representatives of all the Indians currently using this land. This was a common tactic of the American settlers.. BAsed on this treaty, the settlers then proceeded to decimate and drive out the tribes from their former habitations.

One aspect of these wars was that many who joined the militias did so to get a start in a political career. There were, I believe, four individuals involved in these campaigns, who later became United States presidents. The most famous of these is Abraham Lincoln.

In the history since the land was acquired it has sold and resold to many different individuals. There are many black Americans who have title to land in Chicago for instance. So to say that white Americans own the real estate of this country is ridiculous.

If you wish to read more about the conquest of America I would suggest the series of historical novels by Allan W. Eckert.

http://www.allaneck.com/

Steve Williams Sunday, November 1st 2009 at 6:51AM

His book about the Black Hawk War is titled Twilight of Empire. His first book in the series (which I read when I was 14) is The Frontiersmen, about the taking of Ohio.

ROBINSON IRMA Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM

I find to answer this question is to say Join Harry in moving from America...that is if the pot we are now in is this country/soil /part on the planet called America.(smile)

ROBINSON IRMA Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM

Earl, actually all that you have mentioned were in need for getting away from the Japanese as their oppresors before WWII...In Hawaii there is a toss up between America and Japan as their oppressors.(smile)

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