Should the Nation of Islam hold National Elections ?

Lol.

This is most silly. Reason being is that Elijah Muhammad called himself the messenger and Fard Allah. Now the Minister Farrakhan calls Elijah God and himself Christ or Lamb. Many at the high council of the N.O.I also call him that openly. The N.O.I is a cult it will never govern by the politics of a democracy or nation by electing a leader. The whole idea of the cult is that Farrakhan is indestructible, God won't let him and die and he will deliver all Black People. By default if he steps down then the cult teachings become invalid. Also by default the people can't choose the leader only God can choose the leader. It's a serious flaw to overcome and that's why I say it's silly.

Hello Jamal,

What you suggest regarding the NOI is an organization as the NAACP fooling itself to believe it is a legitimate and sovereign nation. In other words, at the end of the day the NOI is an organization.

Black Americans are a mirror reflection of what the Hebrew people were in the days of Moses. Black Americans really need to become a sovereign people or have complete independence from White America on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way.

Black Americans wants no less than what God gave to the Hebrew people in the days of Moses. I am here to say that God has heard our cries and intervene in our affairs now some two years. When God intervenes in a people’s dire situation, the first thing that is noticeable is that a genuine prophet is risen up in the midst of his people who will permanently resolve all the problems of his people. God has always done it this way from the very first prophet up to now with me included. I am God latest prophet.

So, the bottom line is that Black Americans will become a sovereign people on a portion of this continent to established our government and our own lifestyle and become part of the world community as a sovereign nation.

Therefore, we do not need any more books to read. We need sovereignty and who is able to lead us to sovereignty is God genuine prophet to us. No one had said that I was ever wrong about anything I have ever said. In addition, no one has trumped anything I said. This in itself should show you that I am who I say I am. Everything I say comes from God.

I am the way, and besides me, there is no other way that black Americans could ever become real people in this world.

Tell me what you think.

John< ASA

Your rationale makes a lot of sense...but consider this...the founding fathers of America set up a structure, right or wrong that is followed by the white grandchildren of today. The founding fathers of NOI set up a structure....it has been deviated no doubt as you speak, but it atleast it is out there. Pres. Bush was wrong in many things he did, but when he turned it over to Pres Obama, he did it with dignity. Why must we have to agree with everything that Min. Farrakhan is doing to think of what is in the best interest of the millions of muslim believers. Some of the muslim believers have given up and stopped coming to the Temple or Mosque all together.

My thoughts is that there was a reason for M. Fard Muhammd wanting to set up that school in Detroit. Sometime, if the best type of leadership is not available, man must have the foresight to instill their principles in the young....Sort of grow your own leader from children. That sort of is my case. And the founding fathers wanted the nation of Islam to one day turn into a real nation; with a flag, a government, structure, men and women ...some believers some not in land of their own. Do you not agree

On this one I agree with johnny, silly.

what, 155, NOI shahaddah noi, yea hold an election................solomon will draw up the posters, you can write them in your book.

siebra can count the votes---steven can broadcast over radio

Hello Jamal,

Jamal there is no such thing as founding fathers of the NOI that could be compared one iota to that of White America’s founding fathers. You are fooling yourself.

When White America’s founding fathers established a structural working government on this continent it was accepted by all sovereign nations abroad that White America was a sovereign nation. King George acknowledged by the Treaty of Paris that the young White American people were a sovereign nation.

No such is the case with the NOI founded by Dr. Fard Muhammad and Elijah Muhammad.

The NOI is a cult since it is a religious organization. It takes advantage of Black America’s ignorance. It returns nothing to Black Americans as compared to Bishop TD Jakes Potters House and other mega-churches. The Black mega-churches do more good for Black Americans than the Nation of Islam under the leadership of Mr. Farrakhan does.

Nevertheless, since our situation is divine. It will take a divine person anointed by God, as Moses was to free Black Americans. All of you know that I am right. Black Americans were born into slavery and it is God obligation to free us. Black America’s clergy, educators, the common Black American, lawmakers and entrepreneurs all cries and complains that we are a subjugated people. White America says discrimination and racism is practice against us. It is God obligation to intervene in God has intervened. Black Americans collectively does not have the wherewithal to free ourselves the same as it was with the Hebrew people in Egypt. It is God obligation to free us. Our souls and spirits cries out to God for help in ways that we do not think about, am I right.

I am the way, and besides me, there is no other way that black Americans could ever become a real people in this world.

Tell me what you think

Yeah the N.O.I sells lip service to the people and robbed them just as blind as the Churches do.

But despite all of that the idea still won't work because you can't ever get Farrakhan and his followers to agree to it. They will fight against and call you a hypocrite and possibly have you ran out or killed even. The choice is yours.

Sure, John..Harry..Robert...

Just asking the question...Its people like you that represents the thinking of thousands of people so I appreciate your thoughts. When you look at many of the countries in Africa, the leader serves such a long time, they almost become useless and self concerning. Putting term limits on black leaders of government is a good as evidence from the free Anglo-Saxon governments.

Sure, John, there are risks involved in the changing of hands in power. But, must it always be savagery, violence and chaos that describes the changing of the guards. Competition drives innovation sometimes. There is a black affiliation out there, even if not the NOI,that will want to involve themselves with the nation building solution that I represent. There is UNIA, New Black Panthers and many Pan African organizations...my point is that when the ONE GOD wants something to be...then man must get busy and allow God to take the second step.

After all, Allah(God) is a jeolous God and very independent. The hipe of worshiping Messenger Elijah will not go over very well with God. Nation of Islam has its problems and this blog is my way of seeding this area of the field to determine is there any life out there. But, I do here what you are saying.

Hello Jamal,

Jamal, I keep having to repeat myself to you, but that is all right. From the ground floor, Black Americans cannot think of nation building yet. Nation building is many years in front of us and this is why. We are a subjugated people. Subjugated people cannot nation build until they become a sovereign people.
For instance, before White America’s forefathers began to nation build they got the independence first, am I right.
Before the children of Israel began to nation build they got their independence from Pharaoh first, am I right again.

So, following the same path your common sense should tell you Black Americans has to become a sovereign people or have complete independence from White America on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way.

So, where does that leave us now? How are we going to become a sovereign people on a portion of this continent when we do not have the wherewithal to bring it about ourselves?
For instance, White America had the wherewithal to bring about their own sovereignty from King George. However, the Hebrew people did not have the wherewithal to bring about their sovereignty from Pharaoh, am I right.

So, what scenario best fits our circumstances? Is it the scenario of white America and King George? Or, is it the scenario of the Hebrew people and Pharaoh? Of course, we know the answer is the scenario of the Hebrew people and Pharaoh am I right.

Now, how far a long are we in the scenario of the Hebrew people? Well, the first thing that God did was to raise up a prophet for the Hebrew people, am I right. Have I not been telling all of you that God has risen me up as Black America’s first genuine prophet? Have I not been spelling out for months how we are to understand our situation of becoming a sovereign people on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders?

So, let us back up and start with me as Black America’s first genuine prophet.

As Black America’s first genuine prophet might intentions is to dismantle all Black organizations. The UNIA, New Black Panthers, NOI, Pan African organizations, Black religious churches/organizations, Rev. Jesse Jackson’s organization, Rev. Al Sharpton’s organization and the hundreds more Black organizations that’s out there.

Moses dismantled all Hebrews organizations that when they left Egypt they all left as one people to become a new people in their Promised Land, am I right. I know that I right because I get my information from God. I mention Moses that you all could draw a comparison and contrast to keep on track with me.

Now, after I get us into the sovereignty phase that our sovereignty is secure my divine obligation ends. Then nation building begins. The best minds among us will put together a democratic government better than what the founding fathers of White America established. At this point in time God blessing is no longer centered on me, but it is now a blanket over all of us including the real estate of our country. We will prosper plenty from ourselves in the land. Now, let me say this as a solemn warning to all. From the least to the greatest of us, integrity is our standards for all times. So, do not take what I am saying about integrity lightly. God is not going to raise me up and provides sovereignty for us, we turned out to be a bunch of thieves, and knuckleheads as we see other countries throughout the world are. These thieves and knuckleheads among us will wish they had never been born.

Our sovereignty will be as such that when the need arises to send our high-ranking officials to other sovereign countries they will be received of equal ranking. Mr. Elijah Muhammad wanted separation. We do not want separation we want sovereignty. Separation is too weak of a concept for us to become a real people in this world among other real people.

I could say more but chew on what I have said. We are going to become a sovereign people and you all of going to accept me as our Prophet. Everything that I say is going to happen.

Tell me what you think.

Bro. Clark...Hello

Basically, thats true in terms of the profile of Muslim beilievers under Min. Farrakhan. But, a NOI properly lead, has the potential of not only improving the achievement category but attracting American Muslims from the World Community of Islam...who have already given up on Islam of the West. That is, they too were converted during the life of Messenger Elijah Muhammad. A sinario could that Min. Farrakhan passes leaving the authority possibly with one of the some 1/2 dozen most vibrant ministers. They have no vision, though, and would try to offer repeat and restyle ideology which my thinking would get stale to most of the Muslim believers. Then this type of blog would take on a differant sting.

Harry is correct that most African Americans think as a subjagated people, but with the rise of unemployment, collapse of America's public education system....the thought of nation building could take on roots.

John, ASA

Certainly you are right, but do you think that has not come to my mind. Do you suspect that perhaps they taught me to be naive ? Maybe even by accident that knowone has gotten to me yet. There is man but it turns out that Allah(God) really exist...and He is very real. He protects me and said that would protect me against all my enemies much like He protected David. Most of the brothers that grew up with me are in jail, dead, poverty striken or drugged out. What you have is a brother that managed to get through the challenges that life has brought before me. Reason being is that Ishmael or Abrahams's oldest son really did go into Africa. It is through the seed of Ishmael that a new nation will be built in Africa. And further, Allah(God) has blessed me with the BEST idea......the BEST plan and whether they try or not try to stop me.....what can they stop that Allah(God) say BE

Hello Abraham,

Abraham you sound as if though God has given you some sort of special responsibilities to lead Black Americans, but to where you have not said yet. You believe that since your friends died and you did not perhaps it is a sign that you are destined for something, am I right.

Abraham, a man of God possesses the ability to recognize instantly that he is going in the wrong direction and change just as instantly. For instance, you are still having difficulty understanding that God is not a man and man could never be God. You are trapped in many false concepts from being associated with Mr. Elijah Muhammad’s teachings. For instance, God had never anointed Mr. Elijah Muhammad, but Dr. Fard Muhammad did, which is one man to another man. What is needed is God to man rather than one man to another man. In other words, when Prophet Mohammad was anointed it was Allah to Prophet Mohammad. When Moses was anointed, it was God to Moses. When I was anointed, it was God to me. Prophets only refer to God as their guide. Jesus referred to God as his guide. I refer to God as my guide. Elijah Muhammad refers to Mr. Master Fard Muhammad, and we all know that Mr. Fard is a man and not God. Consequentially, there is nothing special about you since you cannot figure out something so simple.

As far as escaping the dragnet of destruction that White America casts over each new generation of Black Americans, you just happened to be one that escaped nothing special about you. What is good about you is that you can rationalize better than most Black Americans. So, you have a decent brain to work with, okay.

Lastly, you have to come to recognize that you and your race, Black Americans who are descendents of slaves are a new breed or race of people that has emerged out of the ashes of slavery. Having said that, we are not Muslims and we have nothing to do with the Arabian people. We are not Jews and we have nothing to do with Judaism. We are not Christians and we have nothing to do with Christ Jesus. We are a new breed or race of people that has emerged out of the ashes of slavery. We came from the breathing process between White men mostly of British descent and the African slave women of many different kinds they purchased from the slave traders. This breeding process lasted approximately 350 years. It ended for the most part after the Civil War. By that time, over 20 million Black Americans existed.

Dr. Fard Muhammad, a wise man as he was thought that the so-called Negro’s solution concerning White America’s racism and subjugation of us was that we become followers of Prophet Mohammad as he, himself was. Dr. Fard Muhammad turned Mr. Elijah into a Muslim believer who then turned you and many of us into Muslims or wannabe Arabian people. God had not come for us yet, so we did not know any better.

Again, we do not want to be anything other than what we are. We are a new breed or race of people that has emerged out of the ashes of slavery. Since we are a new breed or race of people everything that comes to us divinely speaking will be new as well, which means that what comes to us will not have previously existed. Al Islam is not new. The label Muslim is not new. Prophet Mohammad is not new and besides Mohammad was the prophet strictly for the Arabian people.

Each specific race God decides to visit God will raise up a prophet from among that race. Therefore, each specific race will have their own prophet. Why it is you do not understand this?

Tell me what you think.

Harry, you want to be rational

OK.....there is religion in the world. Many religions so which of all of them is closest to the truth...that is closest to objective reality. Face it, it is Islam...though there are problems in man differant interpretations of it. Buddhism refuses to face reality...they demote creativity in man and innovation and produces a copy cat society. Then there is Christianity....its good for white people and has produced prosperous nations. Most African nations with christianity as the dominant religion of the land has produced uncivilized activity. Christianity has not served black nations very well. It seems to have produced a breed of blacks that hate other blacks and will hack the death their brother with a hatchet. Some of the worst form of hatred of each other has been manifested with Christianity as the majority religion. Islam has produced nations that are civilized and some of them are very prosperous. Islam seems to fit well with Black people because it instill a self love and of God where the black man sees himself. Then it is a matter of here we are and Islam has matured in America...so what is the next step. What you consider by accident is what I consider divine intervention in my life as the seed of Abraham to deliver Black Americans back home specifically in certain countries in Africa that is spelled out in my book:
www.trafford.com/06-2972
Much like my first name Jamal is arabic for "camel" which is an animal that is the oldst form of domestic travel. But, the unique thing about a camel is that it will take you distant lands...BUT MUST BE TIED UP at stops along the way.....other wise it will go back home.....A camel always knows where home is. Unique to the Camel.

Hello Abraham,

Let me say this to you from one intelligent man to another intelligent man. When I believe, something is because I have to and not because I want to, okay. Why I am compelled to believe a thing is because the facts are there and it cannot be overturned.

For instance, if I would believe that Mr. Elijah Muhammad was Allah last messenger, the facts would have to be there to support this belief and this belief cannot be overturned.

Now, if someone comes along and shows me that Elijah said he believed that Dr. Fard is God in the flesh my computer type brain will have many problems when compared with other data. Let me explain, on file in my brain is a definition of God. God is not born and God does not give birth to anything and there is nothing comparable to God. Another piece of data on file is that God creates and man cannot create. While I have other data on file, I could use these two to see if I could get a match with Dr. Fard Muhammad. Now, I have tried many times to see that if I could get a match since many ignorant Black Muslims believes this cockamamie of stuff as well. So, when I feed this junk concept into my computer brain, my brain would repeatedly tells me that I don’t have a match with the information on file about God matching with Dr. Fard Muhammad. So, my brain will not allow me to believe Elijah was Allah messenger.

Then, I would ask my computer brain why someone would believe Elijah since Dr. Fard never said he was God. My brain tells me that Elijah was uneducated, unsophisticated and just plain out ignorant and the reason people believe him is because they fell in love with Elijah and have a blind eye to facts and rationale. Abraham that is what I think has happened to you.

But anyway, I want to ask you if you know the history behind the word Muslim? Let us discuss what the word Muslim means and how it came into existence, okay. Then we will go on to explore the history behind Al Quran since you feel that Al Quran has the most truth and that is why you have embraced Al Quran.

I am bringing all this to your attention Abraham because it is a giving that God makes all prophets wise and there are never two prophets at any one given time especially among one people. Prophets are wiser than their own people as well as the adversary. In other words, Moses was wiser than the Hebrews was as well as Pharaoh and the Egyptians. The Prophet must be wiser than his people in order to lead his people anywhere. The Prophet could not very well lead his people if anyone among his people proves to be wiser than the Prophet himself something is wrong, and I right. So, here I am, Mr. Jamal. So, forget about your book since you are on trial, okay.

I am God first genuine Prophet to Black Americans. I am the way, and besides me, there is no other way that Black Americans could ever become real people in this world.

Okay.

Haryy, you singing to the choir again

Who came to Abraham and Sarah, with news of an upcoming pregnancy and son. That Sarah could hardly believe. Was it not man. Then after the men left, sure enough, Abraham's wife was pregnant and the birth of Isaac came to past. Here we have Almighty God Allah working through man. In the case of Master Fard Muhammad ...was not much differant. Right after He left came Messenger Elijah Muhammad, Gods Last Prophet ..... try to understand and give up your idea of being some kind of prophet. With Moses came the Torah, with Jesus came the Gospel, with Prophet Muhammad of Arabia came the Quran, with Messenger Elijah Muhammad came, Message to the Blackman....with you Harry, comes lip service.
Books is what distinguishes prophets and wise men ....not so much lip service.

Hello Jamal,

You said this, “Who came to Abraham and Sarah, with news of an upcoming pregnancy and son. That Sarah could hardly believe. Was it not man.”

God came only to Abraham. So, what man is you talking about that came to Abraham?

What say you?

Hello Mr. Solomon,

You said this, “AS ELIJAH MUHAMMAD STATED, "THERE WILL BE NO SUCCESSOR". HE GOES ON TO STATE, "HERE IS NO NEED FOR A SUCCSSOR WHEN, A MAN HAS BROUGHT YOU FACE TO FACE WITH GOD". he SAYS, "I DID NOT CHOOSE MYSELF, GOD DID".”

Mr. Solomon, who is this God that Elijah, was brought face-to-face.

What say you?

Bro. Solomon, Wa Alaikum Salaam

Sure, Black Americans must mature to the point of being able to act as a civilized people and elect themselves leaders. Give them term limits and behave as civilized and dignified people. How can Black Americans claim to be fit to rule, otherwise. If holding elections in the Nation of Islam result in re-electing Min. Farrakhan..so be it...but if it proves to elect someone else...than the body should be for it. Though Pres Bush is no longer president, the American Government still provides them him and his family....no less should apply to Min. Farrakhan and his family. They should be provided by the Nation of Islam for the rest of his life.

Hello Jamal,

Holding elections in the nation of Islam is just the same as when the NAACP has their elections.

But, to compare the election of a president of a sovereign country to the election of the Nation of Islam you are plumb out of your mind, am I right.

Tell me what you think.

In the Holy Quran Chapter 15: The Rock...it reads Versus 51 thru 56
" And inform them of the guests of Abraham:
When they entered upon him, they said, Peace. He said: Surely we are afraid of you...They said: Be not afraid, surely we give you the good news of a boy, possessing knowledge. He said: Do you give me good news ( of a son) when old age has come upon me ? Of what then do you give me good news ! They said: We give you good news with truth, therefore be not of the despairing . He said And who despairs of the mercy of his Lord but the erring ones? "

Or in the Bible ....Book of Genesis Chapter 18 Verse 1 thru 16

The Lord appeared to Abraham by the oaks of Mamre, as he sat at the entrance of his tent in the heat of the day. He looked up and saw three men standing near him. When he saw them, he ran from the tent entrance to meet them, and bowed down to the ground. ........ (16) Then the men set out from there, and they looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to set them on their way. So as you see..Harry, these were enactments of almighty God( Allah) in the form of man. It is clear that Master Fard Muhammad was a similar enactment of almighty God Allah.

Hello Jamel,

I think you ought to be more concerned about Chapter 17 of the Bible and not Al Quran.

Now, the 1 and 3 versus of chapter 17 we have a situation of God and Abraham only. No one else is present. As I said when God rose up prophets, the ordeal comprised only of God and that specific prophet.

Now, about the man that went to Sodom and Gomorrah thus spoke with Abraham. They had nothing to do with God anointing of Abraham, am I right. Furthermore, Abraham already knew earlier from God that Sarah would have a son, am I right.

I think what you are trying to tell me is that Dr. Fard Muhammad was some sort of instrument to Elijah orchestrated by Almighty God. But, Dr. Fard never said about himself the things that you say and Elijah said and thought of Dr. Fard. I see that you are stepping out on the limb and it is about to crack.

Incidentally, Dr. Fard just recently passed away. Dr. Fard was an actual human being man-child. Do doubt that Dr. Fard was not an actual human being? Or, are you actually saying that Dr. Fard was Almighty God Allah?

Anyway, the bottom line is that you really believe that Dr. Fard Muhammad was the Creator, am I right. Please give me a definitive answer.

Are you aware of how Al Quran describes Allah? Al Quran says that Allah begets not, neither is Allah begotten and there is nothing like unto Allah. This description of God would naturally exclude Dr. Fard Muhammad; do you not think so?

It is strange to me that you could say that you are a Muslim, Al Quran your religious guide and claimed that a human being could be God despite the clear description Al Quran has about Allah God.

Tell me what you think.

little boy abraham,

The ayah you reference above are concerning the arrival of the Slaves of Allaah, the Malaeeka that were sent to warn Lut-- lot and his family--that fire would rein from the sky to destroy the town where men and women had unNatural desires for one another, and that they needed to leave.....

is that math and science enought.....?



These were

Hello Robert,

Robert, you post to the Jamal is excellent and full of scholarship of the slaves of Allah to warn Abraham and Lot to get out of Sodom and Gomorrah.

You impress me. However, you need to come into your own now that you know that Al Islam is specifically for the Arabian people since Prophet Mohammad was Arabian and you know that Allah only rose up prophets from among their kinds.

Anyway, your comment to Jamal is excellent and full of scholarship.

I am impressed.

Robert....

In both cases of Bible and Quran...there is Man that addresses Abraham. It is purely your lack of education to contribe anything differant than man. Harry, you have a problem of putting a slant on peoples words...Perhaps you should go to school and learn to stay on point. Abraham was anounted by Almighty God long before the passage that I mentioned....It was just you did not know what man or men I was speaking, though, you claim to know so much.

The problem Messenger Elijah Muhammad endured was having to deal with predominately uneducated believers. Reason that I went to college because did not to end up an old fool. Then after the messenger passed, there were all these Muslims claiming to use the criteria that "Don't need that devil's education"...How stupid. Now we have Haiti......where are all these ignorant brothers. They want helicopters, doctors, technicians, nurses, therapist, radioligist but not rappers, preachers or jargon generators do they need. Now they want the skilled and professionaly trained. Why are there no skilled technicians in Haiti or most of these black run countries. Because they talk like Robert and Harry .... no education...no skills just off the wall jargon that means nothing. The day you right a book Harry, then someone can take you serious. But as an author an scientist...there is just not much substance in what you say.

The nation of Islam is the closest Black Americans have come to having something positive. My father who was the messengers friend said that one day the messenger said to him that he felt he had the worst family. A brother that wanted to kill him....and the list goes on....No....After Messenger Elijah Muhammad there is no other. Otherwise, the messenger would have appointed one of his siblings...since there were so many.....but not a ONE was appointed. As Abraham, the father, it is land time. At my most recent book signing.....many people are quick to catch on of the need for black people to have some land of their own. But some people are slow to catch on....I have no time to hold anyone by the hand.....Just use your brainpower...if nothing is there.....then go to sleep.

Hello Jamal,

Well, after getting past all your criticism and issues that were off-topic you mentioned Black Americans need a portion of this continent that they could call their very own country with borders to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way. You simply said land. I extended our only permanent solution for you, which is sovereignty on a portion of this continent.

However, the person that God have anointed is the only person who could bring this about even if someone else is saying the same thing as the Chosen One.

For example, let us assume that two other Hebrew people were saying the same thing that Moses was saying about the Exodus. It would boil down to only one of the three could bring about the Exodus and of course that person would be Moses since Moses is the one chosen by God, am I right.

Since you are so hyped up on your own book, I see that your book made you or that you made yourself through your own book. However, God made me.

I am the way, and besides me, there is no other way that black Americans could ever become real people in this world.

Have I made any sense with you, Mr. Jamal?

Tell me what you think.

well 'little abraham'--
you have told the BIA Internet group that Language, is not a science and that inYourMind---the language of AlQur'aan; arabic is not your strong suite or unimportant.

and you call me an old ignorant man--who needs to go back to school--Ok

one thing I can do is read AlQur'aan in Arabic-the language of Paradise----

and your ayah reference makes NO mention of man-talking to Ibraheem

Again, suratulHijjra(the firm area)

Is a warning from Allaah to Mohamed(as) reminding Mohamed(as) of the denial of Iblis of Adaam as ruler, and the consequences men will have if they do not follow The Descendants of Adaam. The story of Ibraheem and Lut was given to Mohamed to fortify his Mission of delivering the message to Men.

best english for little abrahamsMind---

50. And that My Torment is indeed the most painful torment.
51. And tell them about the guests of the angels We sent to Ibrâhîm
52. When they met him, and said: Salâm! Ibrâhîm said: "Indeed! We are afraid of you."

53. The angels said: "Do not be afraid! We give you glad tidings of a youth possessing much knowledge and wisdom."

54. Ibrâhîm said: "Do you give me good news of a son when my old age has overtaken me?What then is your news?"

55. The angels said: "We give you good news in truth. So do not despaire".

56. Ibrâhîm said: "And who despairs of the Mercy of his Lord except those who are astray?"

57. Ibrâhîm again said: "What then is the reason you come to me, O Messengers?"

58. The angels said: "We have been sent to a people who are Mujrimûn (criminals, disbelievers, polytheists, sinners, deviators).

59. "All except the family of Lût. They only will we save from destruction.

60. "Except his wife, of whom We have determined that she shall remain behind to be destroyed."

61. Then, when the Messengers came unto the family of Lût .

62. He said: "Truly! You are unknown to me."

63. They said: "No, we have come to you with that destruction which they have been doubting.

64. "And we have brought you the truth of the destruction of your nation and surely, we tell the truth."

I know you said I am ignorant but on this matter I believe I have shown the Scholarship that you are too lazy or unable to achieve---

especially for some inYourMind religious thinker----
learn something.......little boy abraham

Bro. Robert ....forgive me for laughing

Lets stick to the point. Who were these angel that came to Abraham...and stop there....were they ghost....was it a cloud of dust.....was it a wif of smoke.....NO......lets go on

When they went the Sodom and Gomorrah and spoke to Lot...why did the Lot tell them to stay away and even offered his own daughters rather these persons from God....If they were ghosts, then the gay men would not have been attracted. Obviously, these were MEN. It turns out the angels were MEN. Also who came to LOT was Men....Typically God sends man.....so go back to school.

The uneducated have a tendency to move away from the point....the point of this blog is that "should the Nation of Islam hold elections". Almighty God Allah took Wallace away from here....now Muslim believers that have followed his diversion from the truth have a chance to wakeup. The reason that America has been kicking the butt off the pants of the Muslim World is because while fanatics are reading so much Arabic and the Quran....the European is reading about math and science. God did not intend the Bible or Quran to replace the algebra book, the inorganic chemistry book, or the electromagnetic fields and waves book.....but many of my beloved Muslim brothers of the Middle East are so much in love with the truth of the Quran they don't know how to put it down and pick up a calculus book. That is why the science technology developed in the U.S. is hundreds of years ahead of most of the Muslim Countries....with the possible exception of Iran.

Hello Jamal,

No, the Nation of Islam should not hold elections. Since they have planted the concept of becoming a sovereign nation in the minds of Black Americans from day one, holding elections meant that the concept of sovereignty was just a big scheme and ripping off the poor Black American people, am I right.

The Nation of Islam was supposedly leading Black Americans to sovereignty on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way am I right. Consequentially, what is going to happen to the concept of a nation within a nation? The Nation of Islam was just a big rip off, am I right.

The Nation of Islam holding election is not different from the elections of the NAACP yet we all believe the Nation of Islam and Elijah Muhammad were somehow special enough to lead Black Americans to sovereignty. Why do you still support this organization after you have been ripped off?

However, the elections that Black Americans wants to have are national elections that the winning candidate will be as equal as the president of the United States, the president of France or the prime minister of England is. Since that is not going to be the case the Nation of Islam is nonsense, am I right.

Furthermore, I would like to ask you a question Mr. Jamal.

From the time Elijah founded the Nation of Islam to the time he died, he collected millions of dollars from the poor Black American people under the assumption that Black Americans were being led towards becoming a sovereign peoples, am I right.

However, what ever happened to all the properties accumulated, legally speaking? In other words, only the elites of the Nation of Islam legally own all the properties, am I right. The small fortune individuals gave away was just too bad since Mr. Elijah purchased jet planes to fly around the country in high style, am I right. Do you believe that Black Americans were taken and still being taken by the Nation of Islam? Does the organization of the Nation of Islam come under the probate laws of White American?

So, what is going on with this nation of Islam? Where is the Nation of Islam leading Black Americans back then and today?

Tell me what you think.

Harry, Hello

Hard to believe...sounding like you want to talk...OK...lets talk. Number of 4 of "What the Muslims want" enacted by Messenger Elijah Muhammad and published in every Muhammad Speaks newspaper reads as follows:
We want our people in America whose parents or grandparents were descendents from slaves, to be allowed to esgtablish a separate state or territory of their won-either on this continent or elsewhere. We believe that our former slave master are obligated to provide such land and that the area must be fertile and minerally rich. We believe that our former slavemasters are obligated to maintain and supply our needs in this separate territory for the next 20 to 25 years--until we are able to produce and supply our own needs. "

Clearly you seen the word "elsewhere"....The divinely inspired plan that I represent and published in my book addresses the elsewhere. Of course, Most of the Messengers followers were uneducated and would miss the elsewhere....but, as a student...it was quickly picked up by me. The Nation of Islam was established as the forerunner of a real nation with government, laws, citizens, industry and the like. After 80 years, it is my and popular opinion that the Nation is not headed in either direction of land here or land elsewhere. To generate the option, my work on earth is to remove the obstacle involved in a nation for African Americans on the continent of Africa. But, not to do where it necessary condemns current leadership as any warm blooded statesman would be concerned

Hello Jamal,

Firstly, you need to understand that God did not anoint Elijah. Dr. Fard Muhammad anointed Mr. Elijah. I had asked you if you believe that Dr. Fard Muhammad was God the Creator and you never answered this question.

Secondly, you need to understand that Black Americans are a new breed or race of people that has emerged out of the ashes of slavery. In other words, Black Americans are a people that were made on this continent and nowhere else, am I right.

Consequentially, a portion of this continent belongs to Black Americans and the rest belongs to White Americans. Remember, that Black Americans came into existence on this continent as a result of the breeding process over a span of 350 years between White men bred themselves with the African slave women. The children that were born to the African slave woman are Black Americans who are descendents of slaves. These children were not born elsewhere. They were born on this continent. Apparently, Elijah did not know what he was talking about, but you know since I have explained it to you plain enough that you could understand it, am I right. Again, Black Americans does not belong anywhere else.

Thirdly, since you are a devout follower of Elijah and Elijah was not anointed and was wrong about everything why is it so difficult for you to conclude as well that you are wrong?

Everything of Elijah has fallen apart, am I right. Now, if Elijah were anointed his works would have been a success to last. As you say, you know a tree by the fruits it bears, am I right.

Elijah was so misled and the poor man did not know any better that he changed his own name from Poole to Muhammad. Muhammad is an Arabian name and Elijah is a Black American. Elijah was claiming that the name Poole was the slave master’s name. It would have been more intelligent if he could have acquired sovereignty first and then change his name, but not to an Arab name. Consequentially, all that money Black Americans spent to change their names was a waste of money. God inspired me to know that when our sovereignty is secure we could change our names and not to any names that would resemble the names of other people. We will invent our own names that no one else could say we as Black Americans have Arabian names, understand what I’m saying, Mr. Jamal?

Tell me what you think.

little abraham,

you do not know anything about AlQur'aan, Mohamed, Middle East, Muslims and Malaeeka....

Malaeeka are the slaves of Allaah, singular purposes for His usage only----totally obedient to The Creator---

yet you spew,"....were they ghost....was it a cloud of dust.....was it a wif of smoke....."

again your negroPagan misunderstanding in the Science of Language.

AlQur'aan, Hadeeth and Islaamic Scholarship DO NOT mention, a ghost, cloud of dust, wif of smoke-----those are paganChristian terms;

"Man is defined by his language."--

you and harry can use only europeanPagan references and definitions in your blogs--pharoahPagan pictures in your Blogs---

little abraham-and your blog brother--harry; have not even freed yourself from paganThoughtslavery yet--?

Hello Mr. Powell,

Before I begin let me ask you how are you doing since we have not communicated in the last two weeks? I was in the state of Connecticut talking to the many different sects of Muslims, friends, relatives and Christians. I wanted to let them know that despite how knowledgeable they are, especially the Muslims, that if you do not have your own then you have nothing. I made the Muslims to understand that they are not Arabian people and therefore Prophet Mohammad is not their Prophet. They heard me say that I am Black America’s first genuine prophet.

Robert, I acknowledged that you are very knowledgeable about Al Quran. You have explained very well the slaves of Allah which little Abraham perhaps now understands were not ghosts at all.

However, you fail to explain what does it mean that Allah only raises up prophets from among the own kinds. We see that Prophet Mohammad being an Arab man who was raised up from among Arabian people, which is his own kinds. We seen that Prophet Moses was an Israelite and he was raised up from among his own kinds as well.

Now, since you are not an Arabian man why have you accept that Prophet Mohammad as your Prophet?

Tell me what you think.

Robert, can you believe yourself

Applied Scientist laugh at the jargon coming of fanatics who have never built a bench with their own hands. You would have to live another 70 years to come close to what is in my back pocket must less my front. What makes man unique is his ability to be like GOD though he is not GOD by himself. Spurring out Arabic does not make you great. They were spurring out Arabic when the American war machine invaded IRAQ and the Arabic speaking men went running like geese. Why, because of the utilization of science technology which the Americans have developed while the Arabic speaking countries had their head buried in the Quran. There is a time to read the Quran...then there is a time to read chemistry....there is a time to recite the words from the Quran...then there is a time to read about trigonometry....you would not know anything about that because you have been made obsolete.

Hello Abraham,

I know that your comment is to Robert. However, I want to compliment you on the good sense that you have made. It is a time for scriptures and it is a time for the sciences. The sciences should take up more time than the scriptures.

When we become a sovereign people, it would not be a party. It is a tremendous responsibility to stay sovereign and continuous advance year as the year.