Attention all Christians!

Harry Watley · Sunday, March 28th 2010 at 2:07AM · 956 views

Today the pastor, Dr. Serenus T. Churn Sr. of Mount Zion Baptist Church in Winston-Salem, North Carolina called me into his office after 11 months attending this church and Bible study said to me that he has a problem.

While explaining the problem to me he said that he likes me and he enjoys my controversial views. However, he said that since he is the leader of the church he has his flock to be concerned about over me since a few of them had raised some concerns about me. In other words, he has nothing personally bad to say about me except that he thinks some of the things I have said would amount to blasphemy in spite of the fact that I told him I love Jesus as much as I do Moses and the other prophets. The point of blasphemy that he was making is that I did not love Jesus precisely the way that he loved Jesus. So, anything less he viewed it as blasphemy because he knew my love for Jesus was as a man and not as a deity while his love for Jesus is of a deity.

I replied that it seems to me he was in the same position as Pontius Pilate who acknowledges that Jesus was innocent, yet succumbed to the crowd and allowed him to be crucified. He smiled and said that I was very clever.

Several months ago, they stop me from taking Communion. When I asked the pastor why I could not break bread with them, he said that I would have to be baptized.

Now, just last week I saw how the clouds were gathering just before the storm. So, in the last Bible class I said to all of them that I should not be a problem to them since they know that if God is for you, then who could be against you? Apparently, putting me out of the church, God is not for them, but rather there are against me, am I right.

I said that the charges the Pharisees brought against Jesus were the charge of blasphemy as I am accused of. I showed him the role that he was playing (Pontius Pilate), the role his church was playing (the crowd that screened to crucify Jesus) and the role that I was playing as (Christ Jesus).

So, the bottom line is that this Baptist Church asked me not to come back and I will comply.

In my opinion, this church is no more than a social club with a little over a hundred members. Am I wrong?

Anyway, I will rest and move on to another church. Incidentally, the mosque I attend adamantly said to me a few weeks ago that they could not put me out the mosque, but they have turned a cold shoulder to me. They all know that I have come to get them wherever they may be as Moses came to get his people out of Egypt.

Now, I would like the opinions of you Christians in the audience.
Tell me what you think.

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Harry Watley Sunday, March 28th 2010 at 9:05AM

Hello Irma,

I want Black Americans to become sovereign people on a portion of this continent with borders and God has favored Black Americans today as God had favored the Children of Israel in ancient times when they were in bondage in Egypt.

To accomplish such a task is as difficult metaphorically speaking as it is to be born out of your mother�s womb a second time.

In other words, my task is more difficult than Dr. King�s civil rights accomplishments or Elijah Muhammad encouraging thousands of criminal minded Blacks to get a haircut and have shoeshine.

Black Americans are not rational minded people.

Am I making any sense?

MIISRAEL Bride Sunday, March 28th 2010 at 9:28AM

Harry Dear: I'm sure that if your were wanting to be part of the Baptist Church you were aware that baptism is one of practices of being one body with Christ. If you are not looking for that, then way would want to stay there? Christians believe in baptism because it is written that baptism saves you. If you do not want that then perhaps your ideals of prophet is not from Jesus or you are not willing to take up the cross of Jesus as True Christians do. Not every one in the Church are true I'm aware of that, but those who are true believe in the whole complete following of Christ is way to be saved. So in obedience they become baptized. Only God knows what you are doing, I am not questiioning --or even confirming what you're doing. It is not for me to say, but it is true in order to become saved baptism also saves you. If God is for you, you have nothing to worry about do you? Is your task too difficult for God?

Tell me what you think?

Harry Watley Sunday, March 28th 2010 at 11:00AM

Hello Ms. Shields,

There are so many questions I would like to present to you but for the sake of confusion and chaos I will present only one, okay.

In your own terms what was Jesus purpose to be baptized by John since John knew that he were not worthy to wear the shoes of Jesus? I believe that baptism was symbiotic to saving and reforming only the house of Israel to whom Jesus came to since they were terrible to each other. Do you agree?

Ironically, what this church did to me was what Jesus people did to him. This church crucified me on the charge of blasphemy one week before Good Friday, am I right.

So, give me your bird�s eye view of Jesus purpose to be baptized by John so that you and I could be on the same page, okay.

Just a word of caution, I believe that all of you could really broaden your rational intelligence when you do your best to give a straight up answer without thinking as a Christian would. Just rationalize with your common sense of understanding.

Tell me what you think.

Harry Watley Sunday, March 28th 2010 at 11:32AM

Hello Clark,

You said this, �Harry, maybe you don't realize it, but its obvious that you are not who you say you are, and as I have told you many times before, it is impossible for you to be that, since God is perfect.�

Now, as I read between the lines I believe that what you are saying is that if I am who I say I am the church would not have put me out since God is perfect and I claim that God anointed me, am I right. Well, Clark, God anointed Jesus yet Jesus was put out of the house of Israel and later crucified, am I right. So, how do I make sense out of your comment that I am not who I say I am?

Next, you said this, �The pastor knows this and while he may have been willing to humor you for a while, he had to draw the line at your continued insistence on things that are not true, and that would amount to blasphemy. What kind of pastor would he be if he condoned that?�

Well, Pontius Pilate humored or knew that Jesus had no faults yet Governor Pilate had to draw the line as well and allowed him to be crucified since it was the will of Jesus people, am I right. In addition, the charges against Jesus were precisely the same charges against me, blasphemy. I do not think that you are reading what I am saying in an effort to get a true and independent understanding. Clark, it is difficult for you to be rationally straight down the middle since you are buried under the rubbish of Christian rituals and customs, am I right.

Next, you said this, �As for the mosque, they are tolerating you as long as your fantasies don't get in the way of mosque business.�

Although the mosque members shun me, they would rather not suffer the risk of embarrassment of putting me out and simultaneously claiming to be good and righteous people. Surely, the community is going to know what this prominent church did to me. I never violated any rules of order and decorum except that the Christians could not show more intelligence than I have. So, they asked me to leave. It is the same as when some of you delete my comments from your blogs when you show more wisdom than I have as it is with Jamal and Irma, am I right.

For instance, Irma comments on my blog�s and I never deleted her comments, but at the same time, she would delete my comment from her blog. I am showing you still call good Christians to be nothing but hypocrites, am I right.

Tell me what you think.

MIISRAEL Bride Sunday, March 28th 2010 at 7:55PM

Brother Harry replying to you question of baptism. John baptisted Jesus not just for the house Israel. If he came to save the world this included Jews and Gentiles. Afterall did not Jesus perform miracles among the Romans? He did --and the reason for accepting baptism was more than symbolic it was because he was made flesh and he was showing the enlightenment to meaning of his death and life. Death meaning buried by water, life when coming up out the water to live forever. Washing away the old life and taking on the new life of spirit. If one is to follow scripture, he or she who really chooses to follow it CANNOT MAKE PROVISIONS in order to rationalize the way the Spirit works, meaning doing things that compromises the flesh or even the compromising thinking in minds of men. I cannot be any other way but thinking of how I have taught. I learn from the Word of God which how He teaches me how to live. My answers may never satisfy you Harry. "If you do not accept what the Spirit teaches you cannot know the truth according to the Spirit." What is needed most [not addressed to solely you], but to men generally speaking need to stop questioning why God has asked them to obey, but simply obey what plans God has given as part of his salvation. If we want salvation he has to be the way through his Son Jesus Christ. God has set aside his grace for us to attain it. There is no rationale to God's ways but we are to obey him in trusting his word. It's my answer Harry.

As far as the church that were banished from, they were upholding the word of baptism for the purpose of salvation to save souls. You cannot serve two masters. If you do not wish to become baptized into the ways of Jesus Christ then you are considered as not part of his body or the body of Christ. Your teachings are questionable and it's because True Christians will not leave God's Word to follow what a man teaches just because he thinks its make sense of wisdom to him. I believe I have covered what I could. You have ears but you will not hear, eyes and you will not see. The light of the body is the eye. Blessings to you.

Harry Watley Sunday, March 28th 2010 at 9:11PM

Hello Ms. Shields,

You said very little of why Jesus hearing of John baptizing Jews that Jesus would want to be baptized by John.

So, to mold and answer you would first have to roll yourself back 2000 years ago into the moment of time when Jesus was baptized by John as described in Mathews Chapter 3 especially verse 15.

You would conclude firstly that baptism is symbolic and ritual. So, what does it mean? In addition, you would conclude that the symbolism and ritual of baptism was that John was encouraging his people as well as Jesus people the Jews to repent of their sins that they were doing wrong to each other.

So, tell me the symbolic meaning that baptism was to the Jewish people, okay. Remember that even the Pharisees and Sadducees who are all Jewish people came to John. John referred to them as vipers since they were the ones that were doing harm to their own Jewish people for the most part. Now, remember that all this should have nothing to do with me since I am not Jewish, am I right.

Now, for me to put on the garment of the Jewish people baptism while I am a Black American would certainly mean that I am dead to who I am, but living in the spiritual world of the Jewish people, am I right. Actually, when the Church banished me was because they were saying, Harry we want you to be as dead as we are and I do not want to be dead as they are. I want my people, Black Americans to become live. Am I wrong to have this desire for us? Was Moses wrong?

Now, I have nothing against the symbolic and ritual gesture of the Jewish people baptism of themselves. My problem is why Black Americans would want to be as other people instead of themselves.

So, tell me what is the symbolism that baptism was to the Jewish people.

A good and healthy spiritual discussion is good for us to have since the most important thing in a person�s life is his or her spiritual foundation, am I right.

Tell me what you think.

Harry Watley Sunday, March 28th 2010 at 9:48PM

Hello Clark,

You said this, �but Jesus still had many followers, �.. many of whom God had allowed to witness miracles that added evidence to who Jesus was.�

Clark, followers does not make true what it is. Miracles do not make the truth what it is. Rev. Jim Jones had many of our people following him and they thought he had the true. Evangelist Oral Roberts performed miracles every Sunday and it was thought that he had the truth. The thought that Elijah had the truth, am I right. These things does not make the truth what it is, am I right. The truth is something you must reason out. Consequentially, you are surmising that because I do not have followers I do not have the truth, am I right. Your premise is irrational.

Next, you said this, �Jesus, who was a master at philosophy and a great intellectual, you have no such capabilities.�

Even though this is true about the Jesus, what is greater is that you have been sucked into the ways, customs and rituals of another race of people, which you could never be these Jewish people since you are racially a Black American man, am I right. So, the rational question that you should entertain is that since God gave the Jewish people a prophet as Jesus and Moses then why not God give Black Americans a prophet as well. Is that a legitimate and rational question to ask you?

Lastly, you said this, �Also, God has not given you the ability, as he did with Moses and Jesus, to work miracles such that they could provide evidence as to who they were.�

Miracles are a distraction. Moses begged God to give him a sign since God did not want too. Miracles became a distraction and a hindrance to Jesus. I know that what I am saying is significantly true since miracles are your distraction as well. More importantly to a genuine prophet is penetrating the actual rational thinking of his people. This could only be done through talking and reasoning over miracles, am I right. After a while all that people are going to be talking about is the miracles that Harry is doing rather than understanding that we need to desire to become a sovereign people on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way. In addition, to understand that today Black Americans has the favor of God.

Incidentally, Clark, my church if you will is I communicating with you as well as others that we are going to become a sovereign people.

Tell me what you think.

MIISRAEL Bride Monday, March 29th 2010 at 11:56AM

Brother Harry, Pardon me-- I have given my reply, but you have disected my words to put them like you wanted them. I did not say that baptism was symbolic I said
"He did --and the reason for accepting baptism was more than symbolic it was because he was made flesh " This has caused me to completed with this discussion. I have no more to add or subtract. Blessings.

Harry Watley Monday, March 29th 2010 at 3:26PM

Hello Ms. Shields,

I know that you did not say baptism was symbolic. I said that baptism was symbolic.

In addition, you said very little about the meaning of baptism. What you did was preached a sermon about Jesus performing miracles, Jesus saving the world, Jesus made flesh and how the Spirit works. You really said nothing about what baptism is from the mind of John and Jesus.

Now, you said this, �This has caused me to completed with this discussion.�

You want to end that discussion because you are angry. Your behavior is a typical Black Christians. Black Christians are some very arrogant and nasty people. You cannot have a nice discussion with them because they are very arrogant and at the same time, they put on a pretense of being righteous people.

You told me that baptism was more than symbolic while I did not ask you what baptism was more than. I asked you what was the purpose and meaning of why Jesus was baptized by John. That is all I asked you. So why are you going to these unnecessary changes and taking me through them with you?

Let us just talk about baptism and why John baptized Jesus, okay.

Tell me what you think.

Helen Lofton Tuesday, March 30th 2010 at 7:49AM

Why John baptized Jesus? As I recall, they were related weren't they? During the time that Mary was pregnant her relative , a cousin came to her and annouce that she also was pregnant and that the angels had given her a message from God. I'm not sure what chapter and verse this is located, but I remember reading it.

As for being ex-communicated from the church, I would think that the pastor prayed over the matter and recieved guidance first, because we know what happen to the people who conspired against Moses in NUMBERS, chapter 16.

Harry Watley Tuesday, March 30th 2010 at 3:35PM

Hello Ms. Lofton,

You said this, �As I recall, they were related weren't they? During the time that Mary was pregnant her relative, a cousin came to her and annouce that she also was pregnant and that the angels had given her a message from God.�

What you said is correct according to Scriptures. However, Mary being pregnant and the Angels given her a message from God does not answer the question, �Why John baptized Jesus? �, am I right.

In order to answer my question you would have to put your self in that time to get an accurate understanding for the symbolism of baptism. In other words, why was John calling his people to baptism? John was calling that they repent. So, what was it that they were doing they needed to repent and be baptized would show their repentance. What were the wrongs that the Jewish people were doing?

Baptism of Jesus by John, Jesus was in agreement with John�s thinking. Baptism of Jesus was no more than having solidarity with John.

Baptism does not have anything to do with all that stuff that may shields was talking about, okay.

Tell me what you think.

Harry Watley Tuesday, March 30th 2010 at 3:37PM

Hello Irma,

I do not depend on any of you all. I depend only on God the Creator.