Walk with me ''SCHOLARSHIP'' by DAVID JOHNSON STUDY of religion at the highest level

existed on the territory of present-day Romania from before the founding of the principalities of Wallachia and Moldavia in 13th–14th century, until it was abolished in stages during the 1840s and 1850s. Most of the slaves were of Roma (Gypsy) ethnicity. Particularly in Moldavia there were also slaves of Tatar ethnicity, probably prisoners captured from the wars with the Nogai and Crimean Tatars. The abolition of slavery was carried out following a campaign by young revolutionaries who embraced the liberal ideas of the Enlightenment. Notable among them was Mihail Kogălniceanu, who drafted the legislation related to the abolition of slavery in Moldavia.

im trying to show this to my kids and give them the fact so they will know the truth as to what really went down !

David, I would like to start with formation of the Earth. If you have access to an ancient map you will discover that when the Earth was first formed this whole Earth was called Asia, Asia split up into 7 parts (the 7 continents). The first continent that was formed from Asia was Africa. Also the first race of people to arrive in Saudi Arabia was Black. If we translate the word Saudi we would discover that it is an Arabic word meaning "Black."

Now the religion of Africa before slavery was Islam, the movie Roots can attest to that in the scene where Kunta Kinte tried to uphold his Muslim beliefs when the Europeans put him in in chains, also when he threw down the pork fat given to him by Fiddler. Islam came before Christianity this is documented in the book Things Fall Apart by Chinua Achebe in Chapter 20: "The white man is very clever. He came quietly and peaceably with his religion. We were amused at his foolishness and allowed him to stay. Now he has won our brothers, and our clan can no longer act like one. He has put a knife on the things that held us together and we have fallen apart."

As far as slavery being a religious issue when the Europeans came to Africa, I would say that slavery was more for the purpose of mind control than a religious practice. The reason why the NOI extracts prnciples from both the Bible and Quran is because the Europeans stole the Bible from our ancestors and plagarized it and made it into a mind controlling instrument.

If you have access to a NLT (New Living Translation) version of the Bible, there are many references as to how our people were enslaved. Slavery is rampant throughout this Bible in both the Old and New Testaments. The Bible clearly approves of slavery in many passages, and it goes so far as to tell how to obtain slaves, how hard you can beat them, and when you can have s*x with the female slaves.

Many Jews and Christians will try to ignore the moral problems of slavery by saying that these slaves were actually servants or indentured servants. Many translations of the Bible use the word "servant", "bondservant", or "manservant" instead of "slave" to make the Bible seem less immoral than it really is. While many slaves may have worked as household servants, that doesn't mean that they were not slaves who were bought, sold, and treated worse than livestock.

The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock. "However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel , your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated. "If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

Notice how they can get a male Hebrew slave to become a permanent slave by keeping his wife and children hostage until he says he wants to become a permanent slave.

The following passage describes the sickening practice of s*x slavery. How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a s*x slave? "When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

Notice how they say that a man can buy as many s*x slaves as he wants as long as he feeds them, clothes them, and ges his freak on with them.

Moving on to beating slaves...the NLT bible says you can beat both male and female slaves with a rod so hard that as long as they don't die right away you are cleared of any wrong doing. "When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NLT)

You would think that the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.

"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

"Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

As far as when Slavery actually started, Slavery had existed in Europe from Classical times (way before the 1400's) and did not disappear with the collapse of the Roman Empire. Slaves remained common in Europe throughout the early medieval period. However, slavery of the Classical type became increasingly uncommon in Northern Europe and, by the 11th and 12th centuries, had been effectively abolished in the North. Nevertheless, forms of unfree labour, such as villeinage and serfdom, persisted in the north well into the early modern period. In Southern and Eastern Europe, Classical-style slavery remained a normal part of the society and economy and trade across the Mediterranean and the Atlantic seaboard meant that African slaves began to appear in Italy, Spain, Southern France, and Portugal well before the discovery of the New World in 1492. From about the 8th century onwards, an Arab-run slave trade also flourished, with much of this activity taking place in East Africa, Arabia, and the Indian Ocean. In addition, many African societies themselves had forms of slavery, although these differed considerably, both from each other and from the European and Arabic forms. Although various forms of unfree labour were prevalent in Europe throughout its history, historians refer to 'Chattel Slavery', in which slaves are commodities to be bought and sold, rather than domestic servants or agricultural workers. Chattel Slavery is the characteristic form of slavery in the modern world, and this chronology is concerned primarily with this form.

P.S. All this information above is from 3 teachers of the NOI Mirror Model classes that I often engage in dialogue with so this information is not something I am making up...

Harry, you love to interpret everything...WHAT SAY YOU? (LOL)

The way I see it, Europe had a problems with witchcraft, they didn't plan on bringing it over to the new land but were unable to detect it as long as the witch claimed to be a Christian. They didn't plan on capturing any slaves from Africa that practice Voodoo either, so they had to forbid the practice unless they were using it to punish another slave. Happy Halloween

the first known religion of Africans before slaver.... was based on griots (Spirit Gods)

The Moors... were Native Africans who were ostrasized for their rejection of Christianity... (if my recollection is correct) Slavery has been in existence since the beginning.... then the 1600's starts slavery exchange by the Dutch... The Triangle Slave Trade is when Europeans Try to teach Black History of Slavery....

During the fifteenth century, while black Africans were being channeled into a cultural vacuum, Europeans were experiencing the "humanists" movement. It was during this period when more and more books were being released from the European printing presses. In Germany alone, over 6 million books were hitting schools, stores, universities, libraries and households. At the same time, not only were books in Africa getting more scare, new ones were not being printed.

Isabella of Portugal, Queen of Spain was largely influenced by the humanists learned in Italy. They felt, as human beings that African people lived without law. Further, such barbarians need the wise, those who study Latin and cherish education, to rule over them. When Spain gained the right to importblack slaves off an Island of Portugal named Santiago, uit soon became the sixteenth century's largest African slave depot. This philosophy conferred a duty and obligation to enslave the black barbarians whho were by nature not capable of adhering to law. This philosophy prevailed as printed books spread throughout Europe marking the beginning of the Golden Age or the European Renaissance.

Europeans would feel obligated to invade Africa and export slaves. So the period from 1450 to 1550 marked the beginning of a vacuum characteristic of black Africans.

Too much incorrect information floating around to addresss all of it at once. I'll just say this....
The underlying principle undergirding the indigenous African cosmology was 'foundational dualism' (ie. PAIRING) which found it's most fundamental expressions in 'micro-cosmic' and 'macro-cosmic' expression (to be expected...as a result of 'pairing'); within the micro-cosmic matrix it was expressed as 'Ancestralism' (ie. the dual s*xes of their progenitors, their creators, ie. their foreparents...hence 'Ancestors'), within the macro-cosmic matrix it was expressed as 'Natural Observance' (ie. the Earth and the Sky, the sun and the......you get it). This phenomenon found it's greatest voice throughout the Nile Valley Basin crystallizing in Ancient Egypt as well as other parts of the continent. As Dr John Henrick Clarke always said; "Not only did the European colonize history, he colonized information about history". The result....alot of misinformation gracing these hallowed pages.


PS. I highly suggest you watch this video featuring Professor Walter Williams. What is important about this video is that the gentleman interviewing Professor Williams is Minister Clemson Brown of Attorney Alton Maddox's United African Movement based in NYC. Minister Brown has the largest video and audio repository of the finest Black minds in existence (ie.Trans Atlantic Productions). He does not film 'lightweights' as his reputation would be at stake. I suggest you watch the eniire interview. I will be happt to answer any questions once you have done so. I've no doubt you will enjoy Professor Williams as few have researched as intensely as he. You've all been lied to about Christianity, Islam and Judaism (Judaism being the last one to come into existence as is kept secret from all......don't freak out David...smile). Watch the video and listen for yourself. Don't be fooled by his akward speech, his scholarship is impeccable as I own both of his texts and have mastered much of the information. Enjoy.

Walter Williams - Part 1!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Hi-bI6BXoo

Walter Williams Part 2!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSnpHzpLRzA...

Walter Williams -Part 3!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXXjKTcWyyw...

Walter Williams -Part 4!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpQdDv7U5Rc...

Walter Williams - Part 5!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7mO9erpJZ0...

Walter Williams - Part 6!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-ON6JyW_2M...

Walter Williams - Part 7!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYyzuzgNs0k...

Walter Williams - Part 8!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llEk0JdbXME...


Walter Williams - Part 9!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0DUiROYfgs...

Walter Williams - Part 10!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBeIojSS8Ps...

By the way...before being on youtube...this video was extremely hard to get. Consider yourselves lucky.

I'll be happy to debate anyone with a point of contention....I reccomend you come prepared (smile).

@Christine....Socrates once wrote that for a utopian society......first and foremost, get rid of all the lawyers. The best minds "build" things that make life more quality for society. Thought without substance is what>>>>>>>thought with object is what>>>>>>why do we give God's word any credit>>>>>>>because of the creation as the object, i.e. God created something. By that deduction, man must build before his words have true meanings.

rhut rho!!! Harpo who dis???

((Hey Christine... welcome.... a strong sista.... I lik-a))

it should get real interesting from here i just listion to the first 10 min on WALTER WILLIAMS and it was deep !

whatever.....

Again, speaking about tribes, gods, viewpoints of Egypt takes a back seat to what Egyptians had "BUILT". In all my life, I have never experienced a city as beautiful, personally, as Alexandria, Egypt.

oooohhh... J.... that's where I wanna go.... to Egypt!!

Hey... Saint...
I don't know much about Egyptian Gods... I know Greek Gods and some Roman Gods... so I can't give to much input in those areas.... But i'll follow you guys along.....

Aleander was.... ouch!! Nobody does flame better than RuPaul and the late great Sylvester... Mighty Real!!

Yes... I remember that not to mention full of wisdom....

Cynthia......Even more beautiful than San Diego, California.

whats in California? It's hot and raining over dar.... I don't do that kind of weather....

I like cool crisp weather....

@Jamal Abraham

Though Alton Maddox was not the lycnch pin of my communique' to you all it appears that being there was nothing else in my dialogue for you to critique or zero in on you've chosen FORMER Attorney Maddox as a conversation piece. You obviously know absolutely nothing about the man soout of respect for he and his family (and all he's done for his race) we will dis continue referencing him at this point. Distratcions are the tools of the inept. Please let us stay on topic. With reference to staying on tipic I must say that your last post was rather random and in all honesty nonsensical and irrelevant. Forgive me as confrontation is my addiction (smile). I'm quite capable.

ok... J.... your challenge....

Let's stay on Topic..... Question one....

1400's or700 AD
what was the religion of Africa before slavery ?

Griots recited Verbal Religion..... they prayed to Spirit Gods

I was speaking to the roots of African slavery and African American Slavery which all were all spurned by the humanist movement and the European Renaissance which can be researched in any library on the planet earth. As far as religion before slavery, the attorney was correct in saying that there were really no organized religion. There was worship but not organized as we know it today. There were no telephones or cell phones in those days so the printed word was extremely important. The Renaissance planted books throughout Europe that black Africans were no good, unlawful, barbarians, irrational and needed the control of the civilized White Europeans for their own good. It set the stage for slavery and made it seemingly ethical to the Europeans. That is what was going on in the 1400s.

The Renaissance was started by many rich Italian cities, such
as Florence, Ferrara, Milan ,and Venice. Because these cities were
very wealthy, many merchants started to spend money on different
things, such as painting, learning, new banking techniques, and new
systems of government. These things gave rise to a new type of
scholar, the humanist. Humanism was subjects concerned with humankind
and culture. They stutied various things such as Latin, Greek
language, literature and philosophy. Music and mathmatics were also
studied as well.

Sis. Christine....so nice for you to get back. Every word of my text has substance that can be measured on the scales of research or natural science. It is a fact that there are many brothers and even sisters that wear fancy clothes and speak a fine tune...but, what separates them all is what they can "build". Sure, that may seem irrelevant, but there is nothing "false" about it. If the kingdom of God was based on how well black Americans can chant, sing, dance, bellow, echo, rap, shout, or astere....we would be in Heaven this VERY DAY. But, there mere reason that we are not.....means....something is missing from the words....and that is the capacity to "build". Rather than try to rejurgitate what the attorney Maddox, has spoken in his tapes.....please feel free to comment per your understanding on how it applies to why the late comer Eureopeans were able to kick the sh_t out of the Africans who were building civilizations before Europeans knew how to tie their own shoe. You can look up the "humanist" or European Renaissance and prove for yourself that the printed word was a powerful thing that effected all of Europe and consequently the entire continent of Africa.

When black Africans stopped building....white Europeans started.

how true is this ?
Slavery was introduced to the "New World" but Dutch traders in the Carribean island of Hispanoila. Slavery was brought to the new world almost as soon as it was discovered. While several European countries actually outlawed slavery, they did support the slave trade as a means of raising tax revenue. England banned slavery prior to the revolution, but not in colonies. The Portuguese, Spanish, French and Dutch all transported slaves purchased from tribal Africans, but the Dutch were given the worst name. The Portuguese and Spanish transported the most. The French the least.

In reference to Did Christainity support slavery? It's evident that many slaves followed Christianity because of the many slave masters who introduced them to Christ's teachings. In the event of using the techniques of faith, I voice in opinion that Christianity did not support the acts of slavery, but in scriptures slaves were told to obey their slavemasters. This is because those who followed Christ are obedient to God's law of obedience. The word of God teaches all who obey even slave masters are doing what is correct. Although, later Christianity changed the view of slave masters, in that slavery and cruelty of a fellowman was wrong, and binding again with God's obedient followers the support of having slaves had to be abolished. Thusly God's commandments freed slaves of their masters in America and gave heed to God's commandment to love. You will find that over the centuries, still this is why many religions are not content with what they call "The White Man's Religion" contending that it's not the Word that is afflicted to slaves, but the way the Word of God was used to abusive of slavery. In contention, The Word also frees slavery because of the Spirit of God which is in the soul of man. Spiritually although earthbound slaves, we have the freedom of God's Son within which is the freedom from a temporal life, if we be slave or if we be free. Followers are Christ even may be slaves today in many ways have the freedom of faith and believe it is the Spirit that can never be enslaved, but have a new freedom found forever by the sacrifice of Christ. I know there may be some who will disagree with or even give addition to this comment. However, I find life is but a vapor here, so striving for eternal life I believe in Christ.

@MIISREAL
THE BOOKS /BIBLE changed for the slaves or for all man kind !
does the ''white mans religion'' still run the church today ?
what is the black church being taught ? JESUS WAS A BLACK MAN ?
THE PEOPLE IN THE BIBLE WERE BLACK ETC ?

yep... dats right...

@David...The majority of Christians or True Believers of Christ as I like to call them ...do not content with color of skin or race, because you'll find that the Word teaches that Jews and Gentiles are all the capable to being the children of God. It has no significance except to men who want to identify with color barriers. The Bible has experienced many kinds of sufferings, in that it has be chewed, nawed, torn and split apart because of men wanting to suit their own intrepretations of Scriptures mostly to suit themselves. Taking scriptures out of content and making themselves think of what they desire. You will find that God's Word need no addition or subtraction, but it is as it is. God warns men for taking and adding, or subtraction of the Word that these may receive punishment! It's evident that if one heeds to the Word and follow obeying the Word in the heart of love. What has skin color has to do with God's Word. God's Word is Spirit and teaches all men to love . Love has no color. It is man that deals with color and race, this is a division of men --in order to keep corruption going so that the "soul" cannot view the beauty of God's gift of love. Diversity of color has no bearing on the soul. The Word teaches love one another....and even in turn to love your enemy.

Eating dinner..will return after an episode of the original Star Trek....hey were all damaged goods.

What kind of people are we ought to be?

This scripture states:
"But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.

Since everything will be destroyed in this way...what kind of people ought you to be?
You ought to live holy and godly as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. 2 Peter 10-11

This supercedes any care of race or color signficiance, -- but re-interates that you [the person] ought to be a Holy person living godly presently.

saint and MIISREAL
if everyone in the bible was black then the white man turned the bible on the blacks for control ,,so that makes the black man toe og jew and that was taken from him along with everything else ?

@ jamal if the Africans did not build or teach then Timbuktu and the pyramids etc were built and taught by who ?

Listen to this David: It is evidence in Scripture that Jesus was Jewish...He inherited the kingdom of heaven for God has given all power heaven and earth over to Christ...We inherit we one believes in Jesus and if this binds up those True believers, we too become Jewish to, because we become part of his body. This is spiritual! However, explaining the spiritual realm is not always easy for many to comprehend. The most important thing to know is it is soul and spirit that lives in the new life God gives us. This cannot be said enough! No man can take the inheritance of Jesus which he has given freely in love to those who are his! So if we a Jesus we belong to him and if you feel more at ease to know now being part of Jesus....we Gentile are made one with Jews! Extraordinary! This is the independence of freedom from the Cross of Christ!

David.....what did the Humanists do ? Now that you expanded on their scope. They challenged the church. They were the wealthy..they went after the heads of governments in Europe. This was in the 1400s to 1500s. There were no pyramids being built then..they were already built. As the Europeans begin to make expeditions into Africa and destroy their strongest armies, they would burn their libraries so that could no longer build. They would bring back the spoils(black African slaves) and diamonds, gold and silver to the European kings and queens that sponsored the trip.

Everything serves the purpose of God. We are to keep the statutes! Amen.

if we all fall short of GODS glory then why are the black people suffering why do i see the other races prosper and the black people suffer ,,the other races have done more sinning the the blacks and they got it good as a whole hell they took over the motherland and given us crumbs in america ,,,when will the suffering of my people stop ?
there are people sold out for Christ ,,,why do the righteous suffer while the wicked prosper?

JAMAL
is that why they tried to say that the Africans did not build the pyramids and they broke the noses off the statues so that the they can change the face of history ?
what about the hieroglyph ?

And..we suffer because of Christ & His love for us because we believe. Be of good cheer..He has overcome the world!

ok... you guys got my head spinning.... are we talking across the border or to the Americas?
Christ in fact was a Jew.... John the Baptist... was the fore runner who spoke of the Messiah.... Christ started Christianity.... Before that the Pharisee (Nicodemus) was a member of the Sanhedrin Council... who questioned Christ...

saint
the bible is a direct link to slavery ? the wilderness was about the Africans leaving there home land crossing the red sea and coming to America ?
Joana in the belly of the whale was simbloc of the capacitive slave !

Walter Williams was saying that there was no

why aren't the black preachers teaching this today ,,,,,why why why ?

so where does Elohim come from?

It's the first mention of GOD in the 1st book of Genesis... 16th Century King James Version.... Yahweh Elohim in the 2nd chapter of Genesis.... I just got into that chapter in my Philosophy Class...

Saint, the seed of Abraham is the main thing. Might you have too many stipulations ?

thank you.... Saint.... so which is the first name Elo or Yahweh?
Have you ever attended a Yahwehan Service? My friend in Savannah, GA .... followed the Religion... and while I lived in Orlando, FL.... that was a prominent religion.... interesting..

why would I argue about the bible? Im outtie... Nite guys

There was no organized religion in much of Africa prior to Slavery other than Islam as Siebra pointed out. Similar to what Saint says with this animism or my research is animalism, but it is all the same thing. What scientists do is take the confusion out. There is much detail that would snow you to death. But really happened. In the 1400s to 1500s Europe was in the Golden Age or the rebirth of ancient Greece. They were vibrant and bustling while in Africa, it was the epitomy of hell.

Islam brought monotheism to Africa and black Africans could network to the brotherhoood of Islam and have protection. They could have trade privaledges, food and protection. Unlike slaves of Europeans, Black Africans were not tortured, beaten and animals but held servant jobs in palaces, cathedrels, events and travel escorts. It also was common for Arabs to marry black Africans. Islam covered about 2/3 of Africa. The southern 1/3 rebelled against Islam so Allah had the South African white government beat their butts.

Islam brought the belief in One God. It took away the emphasis on so many statues and masks so they would have time for colleges and universities. Islam brought civilization "back" to much of Africa. Envy and jealosy of one Islam king to another generated a weakness and soon the Europeans were able to defeat the Islamic strongest Army in Africa. It made it open season on black slaves. Ethiopia endorsed opposed Islam so it made it easy for Europeans to export slaves from Ethiopia. Ethiopia turned their cheek to the white mans agressions. Ethiopia loved their enemies. So Ethiopia is a disgrace today. Ethiopia took in the European religion so you here nothing good about Ethiopia today.

Islam came after christianity... Judahism was the first organized religion

Im saying this then I am out... Roman/Greek Mythology.... Spirit GODS... first religion....
if you wanna go back to cave men.... ok.... Animal worship .... cave men worship....

the dead sea scrolls.....
contains the original hebrew text.... come on guys... we can't make up as we go.....

http://www.africankingdoms.com/

Ok..I'm back...I really can't fathom much of the convoluted banter being vollied back and forth on this page, and being passed off as 'history'. Forgive me as I proceed but my style is abrasive, confronting and often quite 'insulting' as a matter of course, this is mostly due to the incessant desire on my part to impress upon my debating adversary just how beyond the pale their world view is historically speaking. Carter G Woodson said that "a Harvard education is worse for a Black Person than is bad whiskey", and that it took him over 25 years to overcome it: The dumbing down process of a college education is quite evident in the remedial efforts being put forth in this forum. My mother is a retired college professor born in South Carolina and she now resides in West Africa with 3 homes a farm and a wonderful doting Ashanti husband. i on the other hand contrary to what it says on my profile page, am a high school drop out (10th grade). I 'dropped out' as I keenly zoned in on the 'dumbing down process' at work in the 'fool system' they call a 'school system'. As my mind is my most prized possession it frightened me early on as i clearly saw it for what it was. It was nothing more than a programming center....and it was your minds that were the computers being 'mis-programmed' with the 'software' of our historical oppressor, a 'mis-programming' only perfected and intensified at the collegiate level.....hence all of the profound idiocy and nonsense on this page....much too much for me to address simultaneously. Though I 'dropped out' of high school....I never used that as an excuse to arrive at being academically depraved as so many of our brothers and sister are....particularly those with 'college educations'. They apparently are the most academically indoctrinated and appear to be only just barely equipped to parrot streams of implanted (albeit printed) flights of academic fancy. It is quite evident to me now why I was asked to participate in this forum as it appears I may be able to be of some minute assistance to anyone in this forum truly wishing to make some sense out of things. Dr. Yosef Ben Yochannon is my Mother's Godfather, I grew up steadily in his presence. My younger sister was Dr John Henrik Clarkes secretary whilst his second wife Sybil and my Mother were dear colleages; and Dr Leonard Jeffries of the City College of NY is my older sisters Godfather (gave her away at her wedding in Senegal West Africa). Consider this 'name dropping' as fair warning if you deciide to debate me. It was the least I could do. Also appreciate the fact that I take no prisoners in debate, and all is fair game...including your Mamma and yo Daddy, particularly if they were the ones responsible for misleading you and abdicating their responsibility to educate you to some crakkah or miseducated negro (of which infest the world) in their 'fool system' you all call a 'school-system'. Now we can begin.

Slavery could not have began with 'Hamitic' Africans as no such group of people existed nor have they ever existed. In order for there to be a 'Hamitic' people there first has to have been a 'Ham' (ie. 'Hamite) from the fictitious Biblical character 'Ham' one of the fictitious Noah's three sons mentioned in the Table of Nations in the 'book' Genesis. That 'Ham' never existed presupposes that there can be no 'Hamites'. It is purely a Biblical term, therefore by it's very definition (and the nature of it's source) it is staunchly fictional. Why is it fictional? The source from which it is derived is 'biblical' in nature; that the fictional work presented to us as 'The Bible' is a plagiarized work, there is no inherent obligatory acceptance of it as 'historical literature' on the part of any well informed individual; it is a false work rendered to politicize. As far as slavery as an institution....the very term itself 'slave' derives from the Eastern European designation 'Slav' (ie. 'Slavic', that alone should tell you something in and of itself with respect to the origin of the practice). The fact that it was a very part of the fabric of both Greece and Rome and cannot be found as a cultural imperative (in any ubiquitous sense of the phenomena) in any of the truly remote cultures of Antiquity (which Greece and Rome cannot be counted amongst as they are relatively late comers to civilization itself, if in fact they ever arrived at it at all, after all the root term of civilization is after all....'civil' and I recall no mention in the historical record of CIVILIZED Africans featuring institutional slavery, chattel or otherwise prior to their being infected /contaminated by foreign axiologies ('value systems' for the not so well read). Please feel free to dispute anything I've posited thus far, not with opinion or belief as I do not suffer such things and I am not here to debate 'opinion's, beliefs, faiths, visions, dreams or your emotional investments....please, let us be instructed to refer to the historical record, much of which most who are present, I am quite positive have never encountered, as it is only privy to those who perform the necessary, requisite, comparative research. Some people like s*x...I like history....who wants to play?

Oh and before any of you holy rollers in this forum comes at with biblical diatribe. You might wanna rethink that. Textual criticism is my forte. Pick any text you want..any bible.

@ "Christine let's talk about Pharaoh Tamose his fourteen children and the Hyksos Dynasty and his reunification efforts of Egypt. Can we also discuss the Ancient Egyptian Gods too"

Tamose is a fictional Character incarnated by the European author Wilbur Smith, for his novel 'River God' which I've owned half my life as I've a master library in my home....grew up with one.in short...he 'Tamose' never existed.

"The novel contains a two-page afterword in which Smith claims the novel is based on a set of scrolls discovered in an Egyptian tomb which dates back to approximately 1780 BCE. The scrolls were said to have been discovered by an Egyptologist, Dr. Duraid al-Simma, who passed the translations onto Smith to transcribe into a novel.[1] This is a false claim, as Smith later reveals in the afterword of the sequel, The Seventh Scroll."

@ Saint Jake


"The City named after Alexander the Great (Greek-Edomite) where he hid and twisted the records of Egyptians and other nations that he took down. Also Jamal he was a flaming homos*xual."


Saint Jake



100% CORRECT.

"Solomon ... in the eyes of Israelite historians, marked the apex of Israelite achievement. Curiously, no reference to him or his father David, or their empire in a non-Israelite source is known ... "

– Isserlin (The Israelites, p72)




"... in Jerusalem nothing has as yet been brought to light which can be ascribed to Solomon..." – Isserlin, p81.
REAL ARCHAEOLOGY 101





In the 1950s, Yigael Yadin – Israeli Defence Chief of Staff turned 'archaeologist' – decided that the ruins of Megiddo, Hazor and Gezer were the legendary 'Fortress Cities' of Solomon. "Our great guide was the Bible" he said. Thus he confirmed the Bible with the Bible.
This was despite an ABSENCE of any find at the sites naming Solomon – but a CARTOUCHE NAMING PHARAOH AMEN HOTEP III INSTEAD.
In other words....the biblical authors lied

REAL ARCHAEOLOGY 101




But of course there is nothing 'curious' about a non-existent 'empire' (stretching 'from the Euphrates to Egypt') leaving no evidence of its non-existence. Modern Israel is peppered with 'Solomon's monuments' – but NOT ONE of them has any genuine claim to the appellation.

REAL ARCHAEOLOGY 101





"Solomon's Mines? American rabbi-archaeologist Nelson Glueck so-named the copper mining at Timna (30 km. north of Eilat) in the 1930s. They were, in fact, Egyptian mines, as hieroglyphs and the near-by temple of Hathor attest".

REAL ARCHAEOLOGY 101







David and Solomon are portrayed in the Bible as two of the greatest kings of the ancient world. However, no trace of their empire has ever been found in Palestine. It is a period curiously missing from the archaeological record of the region. Quoting from the book, Archaeology of the Land of the Bible, "The Bible is the only written source concerning the United Monarchy, and it is therefore the basis of any historical presentation of the period."(1) There is such a complete void of external sources that the archaeologist, author and leading authority on the era, Donald Redford, writes in frustration that "such topics as the foreign policy of David and Solomon, Solomon's trade in horses or his marriage to Pharaoh's daughter must remain themes for midrash and FICTIONAL TREATMENT."(2)

In CONTRAST, archaeology has confirmed the reigns of all other great kings of the ancient world mentioned in the Bible, and some of the later, lesser kings of of Judah and Israel (namely, Omri, Ahab, Jehu, Pekah, Hosea, Ahaz, Hezekiah, Mannasseh, and Uzziah).(3) Conservative Biblical scholars believe that it is only a matter of time before concrete evidence of the reigns of David and Solomon is found as well. As will be discussed, concrete evidence for David and Solomon already exists, and comes from the very place one would least expect to find it.




At some point we as black people have to relinquish the fairy tales told to us (and still reinforced through 'teaching' to this very day) by our not so former slave masters.

@Jake

Awesome...great, when i return home I'll dismantle your links with a fine tooth comb. Good luck.

Hey Jake...I just took a quick perusal at what you posted....Bro. I'll give you a C -minus for effort....I'll tell why when I get back home.

In the mean time...enjoy every one





Ashra Kwesi Speaks on The Temple of Amen
and the Black Jesus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU7B3zS4C4c



Ashra Kwesi Explains the Origin of the Immaculate Conception story - Abdu Kemet (Abydos, Egypt)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk7PadRh_rs



Ashra Kwesi Explains the Invasions and Battles of Kemet (Egypt) from the Ancient Temples
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWwhmLa1NsU




Ashra Kwesi Explains the African Origin of Noah's Ark and Other Biblical Stories - Kemet (Egypt)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYpFgRmZK1g

Ashra Kwesi Reveals "God's Chosen Children" at the Temple of Ramessu - Kemet (Egypt)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAwXApNGQE0

Also...this is my Brothers record label...I think you'll all enjoy the videos...their quite educational and alot of people are talking about him....enjoy and feel free to share them.




'EGYPT WAS A BLACK LAND' : THE SONG - AHMOSE (SHAKKA) : MAAT HOTEP RECORDS / GLOBE TRAKKERS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSwqN_AEKT4



'MAY OUR LOVE SHINE' (THE BALLAD OF ASET & ASARU): AHMOSE - MAAT HOTEP / GLOBE TRAKKERS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWZLZclb5cg




 'LOOKING OVER' - SHAKKA (AHMOSE): VIDEO REMIX!!! MAAT-HOTEP RECORDS & NU RADIO INC. (D.J. NU)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTPpQUlN3pw




'GOD RA' - NILE VALLEY MOVEMENT FEAT. SHAKKA AHMOSE (MAAT HOTEP / MK12 - Prod.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieAweer6DSE
 

'HOTEP' - SHAKKA AHMOSE (MAAT HOTEP RECORDS & KLEAN BEATZ) BRAND NEW!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJuIZLk_gp4

HOTEP FAMILY...
ENJOY!!!! SPREAD IT!!!




KEMETIC LEGACY TODAY: SPECIAL GUEST SHAKKA AHMOSE - 'EGYPT WAS A BLACK LAND; THE SONG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqKZ8cCQWYg

saint christine
wow this is a lot of info ok let me get on this !

The passage about Solomon's marriage to "strange women" is followed by a warning from the Lord that "surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love" (I Kings 11:2). Shortly afterwards we are told that "it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the Lord his God. . . For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcor the abomination of the Ammonites" (11:4-5).

Ms. Christine...... you said "Knowledge is a blessing...but it is also a burdes....not a curse , as the idiotic Biblical compilers would have you believe with the silly anecdote of the Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil. The dumbest story ever told and the most nonsensical story ever swallowed. In fact the inspiration for that story came right off of the walls of the temples in Ancient Egypt. In fact it's still there....The Goddess Seshat offering the god Rameses II the fruit from the tree of life. The Greeks and Southern Syrians saw it on the walls of Ancient Egypt and copied it down but because they didnt understand the origin of the Bas Relief they just made up stories concernig all of the things they saw on the walls....HISTORICAL FACT. That's where your Bible Actually came from. It was STOLEN FROM THE LITERATURE OF ANCIENT EGYPT (the stone and the papyrus literature). Why so you think the the Pyramid Text are the oldest religious literature on this planet? Man you people are screwed in the head it's scary. " This is not only true I saw for my own two eyes evidence of hieroglyphics on walls of tombs and rooms inside pyramids when visiting Egypt. But my point is WHAT HAPPENED ?

Egypt in the 20th century had to purchase much of its intelligence from the British and Soviet Union. By the mid-1960s, British aircraft had been replaced completely by Soviet hardware. The Soviet Union became the principal supplier of the EAF(Egypt Air Force), and many other Arab states. This allowed the EAF to greatly modernisz and boost its combat effectiveness. The MiG-21 Fishbed arrived in the early 1960s, bringing with it a Mach 2 capability. The MiG-21 would remain Egypt's primary fighter for the next two decades.

The Helwan HA-300 (Arabic: حلوان ٣٠٠‎) was a fighter aircraft developed in Egypt during the 1960s. It was designed by the "German aircraft engineer", Willy Messerschmitt and Hispano Aviación. Originally the plane was intended to be a small interceptor for the Spanish Air Force, but the project was transferred to Egypt. There were three prototypes built before termination of the project in 1969.

The design was then acquired by Egypt and the design team, headed by Messerschmitt, moved to Helwan, Egypt, to continue their work on the HA-300, which now stood for Helwan Aircraft 300.[1] Ferdinand Brandner, an Austrian jet engine expert, was also invited to develop a turbojet for the new fighter. Egypt aimed to produce a lightweight supersonic, single-seat fighter which could join the Egyptian Air Force as an interceptor.

The brilliant minds of Egypt has vanished from the great past that you mentioned BECAUSE after the libraries were destroyed, efforts to pursue math and science initiatives was traded for tourism and liberal arts contributing to a large national debt. In the Suez crisis, tiny Israel attached and kicked Egypt's behind only because of superior science technology of Israel. they had to retreat out of Egypt, but Egypt realized that they would have to beef up their standing army to resist the threat of Israel, thus, purchased more Soviet armaments.

IM TRYING TO GET THE KNOWLEDGE AND ITS A LOT BUT ITS MAKING THINGS MORE CLEAR
a lot of lies have been told to my people and has blinded us from the truth !
christine
is real and will hold back no punches that is why i ask her to come and kick the knowledge th all this ! so lets try to gain insight to the knowledge and grow ! in with all this !
lets kick it !

THIS IS WHERE IM AT !
Can we find the above accomplishments attributed to King Solomon also attributed in Egyptian records to the life and times Amenhotep III and if so does this help support and confirm that the Biblical King Solomon is actually Amenhotep III? The answer is "yes" to both questions.

Let us make some very important comparisons between these two men. We saw before when looking at the Biblical King David, or Tuthmose III as we know him now, that Tuthmose III was responsible for founding the the great Egyptian empire in the 15th century B.C.E. that extended from the "river of Egypt (Nile) to the Euphrates". In accomplishing this he had to have had a strong, well-trained, well-organized army equipped with the best chariots of his age, otherwise he would not have been able to establish his extended empire. However, the American Egyptologist Alan Richard Schulman has shown that the chariotry formed only a part of the army at this time. It was not until the early part of the reign of Amenhotep III that the chariotry became identified as a separate entity from the infantry, with Yuya (Joseph), as we saw earlier, the first minister we know to bear the title "Deputy of His Majesty in the Chariotry".Thus it was Amenhotep III (Solomon) who organized the chariotry as a separate unit of warfare.

The Bible teaches us that the administrative system up to the time of King Solomon was of a tribal nature. King Solomon did away with tribal divisions and united Israel, together with other parts of the empire, in one political entity: "And Solomon had twelve officers over all Israel, which provided victuals for the king and his household: each man his month in a year made provision" (I Kings 4:7).

Are you aware that this above Biblical description of the administrative system employed by a supposed King Solomon does not belong to the Palestinian Israel but to the Egyptian empire?

From as early as 3000 BC, the Egyptian administration controlled the activities of the Two Lands of Egypt. It organized the royal court as well as the economy in the name of the king, the official owner of all the land. Palace officials were responsible for each administrative region, where there was another high official with a local bureaucracy under his control. During the empire period, and particularly during the time of Tuthmose III (David), the administrative system was reorganized to suit the needs of the age, and later further developed by Amenhotep III (the Biblical Solomon). It was then that, for the purposes of taxation, the empire was arranged in 12 administrative sections, an arrangement that the biblical narrator drew on for his account of the king the world now knows as King Solomon.

Almost all scholars agree that the taxation system that the Bible says was introduced by Solomon matches precisely the system that was used in Egypt after Tuthmose III had established the new Egyptian empire. Each of the 12 areas was the responsibility of a high official and was expected to contribute sufficient tax to cover the country's needs for one month of the year.

As you might imagine coping with the administrative burdens of a vast empire needed a highly developed administration. The sudden appearance of such a supposed administration in Israelite tribal society during the "United Monarchy of David and Solomon" in the 10th century BC, without any roots in the nation's previous history and followed by its sudden disappearance after Solomon's death, has been a source of puzzlement to scholars. The apparent contradiction is resolved, however, once identification of the historical David (Tuthmose III) and Solomon (Amenhotep III) makes it clear that the sophisticated administration described in the Old Testament is the administration established by these two monarchs in the 15th and 14th centuries BC to deal with the day-to-day task of ruling Egypt and its empire (Ahmed Osman, Out of Egypt, p. 71).

We find among the list of officials the priests, the scribes, the commander-in-chief of the army, the official in charge of the palace and another in charge of the tribute. All of these new offices are similar to appointments made by Amenhotep III. Even the forced labor pressed into service in Egypt for the king's building projects is said to have been imposed for the first time by Solomon (Amenhotep III) on native Israelites as well as foreigners: "And king Solomon raised a levy out of all Israel; and the levy was thirty thousand men" (I Kings 5:13). The number of senior officials argues for a large number of minor ones. I Kings 9:23 gives a figure of 550 simply to supervise labor (Ibid.).

According to the Bible, the empire inherited by Solomon became to some extent weakened during the course of his reign. He faced troubles in Edom (in southern Palestine). His influence in Syria was also weakened when Rezon is said to have seized Damascus and made himself king there.

Answer for yourself: Can we expect and do we find the same weakening of the empire of Egypt under the reign of Amenhotep III? We sure do.

These rebellions echoed in the Bible find their echo in the Amarna letters, the foreign archives of the 18th Dynasty, relating to the reign of Amenhotep III. Frederick J. Giles, the Canadian Egyptologist who made a study of them, came to the conclusion that "most of the letters that deal with the alleged collapse of the Egyptian empire during the Amarna period" come from the period of his rule. Thus the biblical account of changes in King David's (Tuthmose III's) empire during the time of Solomon can be seen to agree with historical records relating to events during the reign of Amenhotep III (Ibid.). What we are describing is the simultaneous decline of both the empire of King Solomon and Amenhotep III. Letters sent by Canaanite kings, especially Abdi-khiba of Jerusalem, speak of continuous trouble in the area of Edom and southern Palestine: "All the king's land is rebellious." These problems in southern Palestine were not so serious that they led to any weakening of the king's control in the area, but the situation in northern Syria was far more critical. Even before Amenhotep III came to the throne, the northern Mesopotamian kingdom of Mitanni, to the east of the Euphrates, defeated by Tuthmose III, had begun to reassert its influence over city states in northern Syria. Amenhotep III responded to this threat by a peace treaty with the King of Mitanni and marriage to two Mitannian princesses. He also sent the King of Mitanni thirty units of gold each year in return for his protecting the north Syrian section of the empire. However, Amenhotep III's problems in the region were not yet over. Towards the end of his reign, the king's authority over the northern part of the empire, including Damascus, was endangered by the powerful Hittite king, Suppiluliuma. He also posed a threat to Mitanni, Egypt's ally in the area. Akizzi, ruler of the northern Syrian city of Qatna, a few miles north of Qadesh, spoke of these dangers in letters to Amenhotep III: "To King Annumuria (Amenhotep III), Son of the Sun, my Lord, thus [says] this thy servant Akizzi . . . I am afraid . . . men who are destroyers serve the king of the land of the Hittites: he sends them forth..." (Ibid., p. 73).

In a following letter, Akizzi informed the king that the land of Ubi, west of Damascus, was under threat: "Just as Damascus. . . is terror-stricken at the league of the enemy, and is lifting up its hands in supplication at the feet of the king, so likewise does the city of Qatna lift up its hands" (Ibid.).

In 1887 an Egyptian peasant woman discovered a collection of cuneiform tablets at Tell El-Amarna in Middle Egypt. They were located in a room of a palace buried in sand. They contained the archives of the Asiatic campaigns of the Pharaoh Akhnaton in the mid-fourteenth century BC. Amarna had been newly built as Akhnaton's capital. The tablets were letters of correspondence to Amenhotep III, the father of Akhnaton (Amenhotep IV), and to Akhenaten himself. A very few were to Tutankhamen, his successor and son-in-law. They were written by Canaanite scribes who were located in Palestine, Phoenicia, and southern Syria. They were mostly in the Akkadian language, "full of canaanitisms in grammar and vocabulary." Occasionally a letter was written in Canaanite with scattered Akkadian formulas and ideograms. They described mostly a state of anarchy then in Palestine. The Amarna letters reveal a state of unrest at the end of the Eighteenth Dynasty, with a constant threat of invasion from the Hittites to the north. The Amarna letters testify to considerable rivalries and hostilities among the city-states. Canaan was politically organized in a system of petty kingdoms - usually referred to as city states. None of the city-states enjoyed self-rule, but owed their allegiance to Egypt. The Amarna letters indicate around 15-17 major city-states. These varied in size, but were all fairly small. King Ribaddi of Byblos wrote frequently; 70 of the surviving letters were written by him. Egyptian power in Palestine collapsed during the reign of Akhenaten (Amenhotep IV), and letters from Ribaddi no longer arrived at the court.The Amarna letters, alluding to unrest in the reign of the 18th Dynasty Pharaoh Amenhotep III also throw some light on the biblical account which states: "King Solomon gave to Hiram (the king of Tyre) twenty cities in the land of Galilee" (I Kings 9:11). Notice with me that Egypt is no longer the governing power over these cities which formally were under Egyptian rule. The name of Tyre's king in these letters is not Hiram, but Abimilichi. From his letters we know that:

MOZELL
ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE INFO CHRISTINE IS BRING FORTH IS COMING FROM DESTRUCTION OF BLACK CIVILIZATION” BY BROTHER CHANCELLOR WILLIAMS ?

mozell
i am with you on that its a good book depending on who wrote it ,,the reason for this blog is dispel the meths and bring the truth out ! i keep hearing things about Christianity and slavery !
i ask christine to come because i know she can debate the issue and help make things clear !
this is what im trying to bring to BIA ,,,,,,A CHANGE OF THOUGHT ,,''MIND SET ''

THERE ARE SOME EVIL going on in the word today but greater is he that is in me then he that is in the world ! tho they slay me i will sing praises to the lord ! my assignment is from the lord,,,,,,,, knowledge ! my people perish from the lack of knowledge ! one day some body is going to read this blog and awake from the dead !

it appears this blog is done..... way way off subject/topic.... Holla

NO WAY THERE ARE A LOT OF OPEN QUESTIONS AND TOPICS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN TALK ABOUT ! THIS IS FAR FROM DONE !

THIS BLOG IS LIKE A MAN STANDING AT A GAS STATION WITH A TORCH HOLD THE GAS PUMP !
ITS ABOUT TO BLOW UP !

D...... lol...... HOLLA!!

The quetion was asked about slavery before Europeans. There was no slavery before Europeans. All countries that participated in war of any kind, had captives. Others were criminals, debtors, and dowry settlements.These conquored people were (slaves) if you will, for the conquorer. Those captives could earn their freedom in many different ways. None were Slaves for life.

The first people who were called slave were the Salavic people who were captives of the European of various regions. That is where the word came from. Before that, they were not called slaves. So, the Hebrews who were supposed to be set free were not referred to as slaves before the Europeans started retelling the stories.

Selling people did not wear the costumes of the slave blocks either. Fathers sold their daughters so to speak, made trades for favors, land, titles etc.

African never sold their people as commercial item until the arrival of the Arabs and then the European and greed set in. The Arabs were the first and the last to take Africans out of Africa before the Europeans.

Many progressive societies had slaves. It was not based on race (only in America) until the 15th century.. Most of the so called slaves to America came out of central Africa. War provided the most.

The distruction of the African culture came from the plantation. 90% of the Africans were taken to the caribbean. Africans did not totally break from their culture...drums, griot tradition, food, language and social structure stayed in tact, even into the 20th century. Another myth is that the captives took their names from the masters. not true; they used their own traditions to name their children.

Most African labor was skilled labor. Some 1 million to 1.20 million Europen christians were forced to work in North Africa.

Before the European and Arab invasion, there was no organized religion as we know it, in Africa. They believed in a Creator and your ancestors who had gone on before you, had a connection with that creator that connected you. They honored their ancestors before and still did after their death. They believed that the Ancestors never left you, that their energy (for want of a better term) remains with you and you could call upon it when ever needed. The ancestors and the Great one, were always available to you. They also believe that all living things had the spirit of the creator within; therefore, they were to be protected.

To answer the question about chrisianity and slavery, if you research where chrisianity started and how it started and when the British got involved, you have to understand what we are talking about in terms of slaves. When James had the bible commissioned, it was done for several reasons. So, the statements mentioned about slaves in the bible had nothing to do with color. They were a conquored people too and they were not called slaves. Organized religion placed the interreputtion of the bible on to modern civilization and twisted it o support their agends. They changed the face of jesus and mary because they could not enslave the people who looked like their "God". No Christianity does not support slavery IF it is truly based on the techings of J.C. Those people who wrote the bible did not know there was an America, in fact, there wasn't one themn.

The interview of Walter Williams was quite informative. He said what my mother said a thousand years ago, the story of christanity is a myth. Much of the information I had heard before. It is great to know that there is another who has said some of the same things you have said.

Sister Christine has answered all of the impending questions thoroughly. I agree with what she has said that I have read. That was too much to read in one sitting on the computer. In academia, the bible is not a creditable sourse. No one has or can prove who wrote it. Some men have come to accept the bible as truth but the only part that can be proven is the part based on historical facts. That rhetoric about Moses that some people spouts is myth too. When I was in Egypt, nobody validated the exodus. I decided a long time ago that I can be inspired with some truth too. The ability to pick and choose amazes me especially from a book that has no information of everyone..

MS JOHNSON
if this is true then the Koren is full of myth too because most of its writing's come out the bible to ? im asking because you seem to have a lot of knowledge in this area !

Hello,

I have told you Negroes repeatedly that your all are ignorant, even those Negroes with masters’ degree. Let me explain. Ms. Johnson said this, “That rhetoric about Moses that some people spouts is myth too. When I was in Egypt, nobody validated the exodus.”
Now, Ms Johnson has to be dumb to expect the Egyptian to validate the Exodus when at that time in history the Egyptian was the rulers of the world. Do you expect the murder to say he did the crime? Stop being stupid, Negroes! Why does she not take her dumb ass to Israel and ask them if they were in bondage and slavery in Egypt. In fact, the Egyptians do not deny that Joseph was second to Pharaoh during the famine and we know the Israelites came to sojourn in Egypt because of Joseph. Furthermore, the ritual Passover was started my Moses in Egypt and to this day the Jewish celebrate it the same as when Moses instituted it 4,000 years ago. This dumb woman needs to ask the Jewish people did Moses ever exist, because if Moses did not exist then truly the Exodus is a myth.

Nevertheless, Black Americans know that our existence in White America mirrors what the children of Israel said happened to them in Egypt. So, even if the story is a myth Black America’s experience of bondage and slavery in White America is not a myth.
Have I made any sense?

Tell me what you think

HEE HAW... HEE HAW... HEE HAW...Enough of you Harry we heard you on your last blog.

harry
im sure MS JOHNSON should not be called all them names to get your point across
who is the real dummy here ,,,?

We don't know whether any of it happened. We have to accept what somebody else said as fact. Why don't you listen to Walter William and then prove to me that you know what you are talking about.

I was responding to the term slave as we know of it today. Look in the mirror for DUMB, sir. Any way I was not talking to you because you are a broken record and don't know what you are talking about 99.99% of the time. That is if your message was meant for me. Otherwise, keep your garbage to yourself.

Any way, David and the rest...I stand by my statement.

As long as you think of the people and stories in the bible, Koran or any of those documents as fact and real people, you will be confused. The Hebrew taught through stories. When Christianity became a viable product for brainwashing, then the inspired theory came to the surface. If you are willing to suspend disbelief and listen to Christine, your whole world will change and the real will become real. I always wanted for the "Religious" to come to the realization that something wasn't right for themselves. That is when real learning takes place, especially about religion.

Thanks David for protecting me. I would be dumb if I listened to him.

How do any of you know whether what is stated in the bible is true? Just because the so called writers told you that they were inspired? In academia, the bible is not a creditable sourse. Who is the author? How many times has it been translated? and Who reads Hebrew and Arabic?

Now don't go off the deep end. I know somebody can read those languages but are they writing a bible or correcting the mistakes, like the Red sea vs the Reed sea?

Sista Thomasena I would agree.... how can we question the validity of the bible.... Even with the fact of so much information being lost..... But really I believe there is some source of fact base behind it....

The four gospels.... Mark... Luke.... John.... Matthew

Most of the information you are using comes from people who did not live during that time so where do you draw the line. Mohammed did not live during Jesus time so where did he get his information from? I guest he had a lightbulb moment too. You don't even know whether there was a Mohammad. all of this is based on a belief system. Just like the 'sneek attack on Pearl Harbor'. we believed that for years.

Who must benefit by all of this mis information? How about the fact that Black people made no contribution to civilization? Look how many believe that. How many Black People believe that? The Egyptians did not lie about who was black and who was not? The Arabs are black too. You tell me Arafat is not black? If there are some black peoole, he was one.

None of them knew Jesus during his life time. Mark who wrote first, did so 40 years after his death. John wrote 90 years after his death. go figure.

Hello Ms. Johnson,

Let us have a rational dialogue, okay. Are you saying that the information in the Bible is not a creditable? For instance, are you saying that Moses did not exist?

What say you?

Jake,
I question all of them and have always doneso. If They did not exist then someone made them up or the were all black.

Forgive me for any mispellings as I was in a rush (smile). Just kidd'n with ya Jake. Don't take it to heart...were all just having fun. Everyone except you right about now I suppose. Shouldn't let your mouth write checks your ass can't cash (smile).

Christine
You said that Black people should do their own research. Maybe times have changed things, but I remember a time when I was obsessed with reading books. I found a reference for the ancient proverbs. I asked the white clerk for the book and was told that the only proverbs were in the bible. She then told me that I could purchase any book that was in the store, but that she wasn't going to make any orders for the book I requested.

@Helen

And her reason for wanting to offend her 'Jesus' would have been what? The Black Woman wanting to satisfy her thirst for knowledge? At the top of her priorities seriously doubt that particular item was present. She was incapable of helping herself thereofore she was equally impotent when it came to helping you. Understandable and to be expected.The realm of ignorance is flooded with gate keepers, keeping those with knowledge out and those without confined within it's parameters. You know what I say....blow the eff'n gate up.

you guys had me reading.... until .... you get to that spooky stuff.... which I DO NOT Do!! peaceeeeeeee

@ christine
can you give us some in site on your knowledge of islam fake/ real kick the knowledge ! thanks ..

@david johnson


Islam is nothing more than a reformist, monophysite, monast ideological revision of what is being passed off today as Christianity. Fact. Anyone not well versed in the 921 year ecclesiastical polemic dispute can't even begin to participate effectively in this discussion. Best they can do is parrot religious tradition....not historical facts as reflected by the historical record. What most people fail to realize is that the actual historical record has been HIDDEN from them. In it's place they have been given 'religious tradition' which they unfortunately (through no fault of their own) have come to identify (wrongly so) with 'truth' and 'history'.

Lil Jake:


"Christine: You best back-off little girl or little man. Your integrity is shot, so go back to Facebook where you belong!!!!"

I'm unfamiliar with this part of the historical record Jake. Were these the best 'facts' you could come up with? I think in fact they are. You attack ghosts and phantoms because that's what your world is comprised of...first you 'attack' Budge's 'beliefs' which were never made apart of this dialogue by myself or anyone other than yourself, therefore you challenge an arguent that never existed (signs of a mind run amok with despair); now you 'attempt' to make my gender an issue as that seems to be more in your sphere of influence with respect to your mangement capabilities....or lack thereof....you choose. It appears you have no effective comebacks for the FACTS I've buried your Hebrew fantasies in. Hmmm wonder why. You therefore seek to create issues as a distraction to the fact that this FEMALE is your intellectual superior. Must be hard juice to swallow coming from a pro- male patriarchical homos*xual murder cult like yours (smile). Anything else lil Jakie boy? How about responding to your late ass A.D. date for the birth of your
Jewish Bible? Anything else but that huh? You'd rather talk about gohsts, gender swapping and facebook. I understand....facts are much too deep water for your intellectually shallow arse to swim in. No worries...I won't pick on you anymore. I can be a bully sometimes. But you 'see through Hebrews' deserve it. Beating people over the head with your manufactured identities and A.D. literature..and trying to pass yourselves off as something 'Holy' and 'Chosen'. I've seen holier fecal matter come from a black babies butt..trust me (smile), at least that was some authentic sh*t (get it? 'Sh-t!!! Lol!!!). Anyway. No hard feelings. Get back to me with some F.a.c.t.s.....unless youre allergic to them which you undoubtedly appear to be.

@ Everyone


Next Jake will be telling us some ficticious 'Hebrews' built the pyramids of Anceint Egypt.
Yeah...ok.

"Here's the whiteman of Egyptololgy:"

Saint Jake




Here's a BLACK MAN of Egyptology, Cheik Anta Diop:

"The typically negroid features of the Pharaohs (Narmer, First Dynasty, the actual founder of the Pharaonic line; Zoser, Third dynasty,; Cheops, the builder of the Great pyramid, a Cameroon type; Menthuhotep, founder of the Eleventh Dynasty, VERY BLACK; Sesostris I; Queen Ahmosis Nefertari; and Amenophis I) show that all classes of the Egyptian society BELONGED TO THE SAME BLACK RACE."

GENERAL HISTORY OF AFRICA (U.N.E.S.C.O.)
(Ancient Civilizations of Africa II)
(Abridged ed. copyright 1981 publ.1990; Chapt.1 pg.17 para.8)
United Nations Educational Scientific & Cultural Organization
International Scientific Committee
for the Drafting of a General history of Africa

************************************************

"A review of studies covering the biological relationship of the ancient Egyptians was undertaken. An overview of the data from the studies suggests that the MAJOR biological affinities of early southern Egyptians lay with TROPICAL AFRICANS."


Shomarka Keita M.D., DPhil.
Physician and anthropologist.National Human Genome Center and the Department of Anthropology of the Smithsonian Institution.



Keita is a Black Man and at the top of his field....unlike yourself (smile).
I don't need 'white Egyptoloists'. I just so happen to have them....and they echoe nothing different then the Black ones ie. Theophile Obenga, Cheik Anta Diop, Dr Mario Beatty and others.
How many times do you insist upon losing on this page? Just curious.

dang..... Im Cynthia Merrill Artis..... I work @ MTL....
Im' 5'0..... 140 lbs.... brown hair.... brown eyes..... birthmark left inner knee... shaped like ???
Pre-Med/Department of Biology..... Florida A & M University....

whew!!

you guys fight hard and dirty.....

@Saint Jake


Gee-wiz jakie boy ...your litle 'halfbreed' arse is so mixed...you appear to be commensurately 'mixed up'. Bet you consider yourself a real semite (lol).



1. "Christine: I'm not interested in your Egyptology stuff. So move on to someone else, I don't discuss topics with people that lie about certain facts".


What you mean is your not interested in any FACTS that blow your see through Hebrew fantasy out of the water. Before you had a problem with the fact that I was quoting 'white' Egyptologists, now the black ones aren't good enough. Ancient Egypt poses such a threat to your manufactured identity that now you wnat to make it disappear all together from the historical record. Hey arsehole....that's what the Bible was all about in the first place. Guess you 'see through Hebrews' never change your 'leprous sores'. You've yet to refute 1 ie. ONE (not two, 2, or three, 3.....were talking O.N.E. here) FACT I've posited in this forum. Youre a mental midget Jake, get over it and accept it as we all have. Notice how quiet it's gotten on this page....you know why? Every one is enjoying the 'arsewhupping' you've been subjected to on this page. You should see the emails I'm getting (smile). They learn more in one of my posts than they learn in a myriad of your dribblish links....that go on ad infinitum in the wroooong direction. You see Jake Christianity was stolen from Ancient Egypt ....it is not a derivitive of Judaism as so many would have us 'believe', that was a made up story to insert themselves into the past through literature; this is why see through 'Hebrews ' like yourslef have a problem with the history of Ancient Egypt, because it invalidates your entire manufactured identity, because of a liitle thing called 'chronology' (from he Greek god 'Chronos'). Give me a documented date for the birthdate of the Torah you possess. Put that date in my hands and let's see what I can come up with, from the historical record Jake....let me play with your little 'Torah' toy too....I wanna play. Just give me the date from which your Torah' dates from. Pleeeeeaaase?


2."So are you Christine Blanchette @pilotbulletins.net; phone: (617) 779-3771"


Golly gee willakers Jakie boy....are you so stumped and out of ammo that your little mind can only wrap itself around who you think I may be? I'll tell you a little secret....you couldn't fathom the answer to that question if I tattooed it on Yaweh's non existent ass (smile). Sorry Jakie boy...new day, new age...the 'Hebrew party' is over. Lies are off the menu....strictly FACTS from here on out. The one thing you 'religious victims' hate more than anything else....FACTS.
Why ? Because they shut you and your false hybrid doctrine all the f*cking way ......DOWN.
Now lil Jakie....give me the date I asked for.

"Christine: Ithink I will pass .... hmmm find another man. I don't need to talk to you. My women is a Columbia graduate and she is fine...
However your humor is funny. ha. ha..... "


Saint Jake




You mean Columbia University....where I lectured at yesterday at the the new Norman E. Alexander Library for Jewish Studies? Oh ok...you mean that one. Perhaps that explains why I'm sitting in the second floor Market Café in Columbia at this very moment typing this. Sorry I'm not impressed. What an idiot. You have to ride on your girlfriends academic coat tails.....from your posts above you obviously have none of your own to ride.....typical 'see through Hebrew' behaviour, always trying to graph themselves onto something of someone else's achievement.
They did it with Ancient Egypt, Christianity and Islam....and now you do it with your girl friend. Like I said ....you see through Hebrews are very consistent. Your game plan never changes.
Probably because youre not creative in the slightest. You can only graphed yourselves onto other peoples acomplishments hence..."My women is a Columbia graduate". And if that' her in the photo...she's not black therefore she doesn't qualify as 'beautiful' nonetheless 'fine'. You on the other hand must be really a good cook because she's obviously not with you out of academic deference; that is, unless she got her degree in 'Gym' which I highly doubt she did. Oh well you guess you don't wanna play with big bad Christine anymore....I don't blame you. If you knew what I knew about her.....you would take that 'see through Hebrew' fantasy of yours and get a blood transfusion...cause there never was a 'Hebrew'.

Girl.... Make it do what it do.....

ok... you talking my tune right here ((Isis and Horus)) Greek/Roman Gods.... tell me more....

@Cynthia

1."Girl.... Make it do what it do....."


That my beautiful intelligent Black S'star is what I do. I allow what I wake up with inmy hands to determine what I will do for the rest of the day. If I wake up with a feather in my hand...i will go throughout the rest of my day 'tickling' people. If I wake up with a pen in my hand then i will spend the restof my day writing; but if I wake up with a literary battle axe in both hands (as a shield is not even necessary) you better believe 'Ignorance' will be splattered all over the walls....and trickling down staircases staining carpets and the like. It's been an intergenerational disease we have been forced to transmit to our offspring for long enough.....that time is over.....forever, if I can help it.



2. "ok... you talking my tune right here ((Isis and Horus)) Greek/Roman Gods.... tell me more....

The true names of Horus and Isis are 'Heru' and 'Aset'. One was a God, the other a Goddess
(son and Mother to be precise) and they were worshipped by the Africans of the Nile Valley Basin over 5000 years before Yahweh, Jesus, Allah or Muhammad were even thoughts in anyones minds anywhere on this planet. That is an historical FACT you can take to the bank. They saw their greatest expression in Ancient Egypt and were transported out of Africa as the Herculaeum Worship of the Goddess Isis (Paris = 'Par' 'Isis', or 'the place of Isis') hence:

"Negroes were first worshipped in Greece and Rome. White masses bowed down to black deities. The rites of Apollo were founded by Delphos and his negro mother, Melainis; and the worship of black Isis and Horus were popular in Rome and the Roman colonies as far north as Britain.
When this latter evolved into the worship of the Black Madonna and the BLACK CHRIST whites also bowed down to them. Negroes, as was said, were deified in the early Greece. They appeared as gods in Greek mythology. The chief title of Zeus,greatest of the Greek gods, was 'Ethiops', that is 'Black' ."

J.A. Rogers
'NATURE KNOWS NO COLORLINE'
publ. 1952

@Harry Watley


"The fact that we cannot dialogue in honesty is indicative of that we are an ignorant people, am I right. What can straighten us out but the spirit of God and God anointed prophet to us?"


Speak for yourself Harry....youre the 'arsehole' I was referring to above. You came on my page with all that innaccurate stuff you tried to pass off as history and then when I checked your ass, you got reeally quiet. Hmm seems to happen alot around here. Wonder why. 'We'are not an ignorant people....we are an historically lobotomized people, many of whom enjoy speaking as if they actually know something about history until I come skipping down the proverbial 'you don't know sh*t' road. And just like traumatized Jakie boy above you tried (key word here folks 'tried') to attack my gender as well....profusely and explicitly so. In fact I'll copy and paste it here as I never responded t that particular verbal assault as I became engrossed in another debate elsewhere. I sometimes justignore the weak stuff. But since were all here as one big happy family.....minus Jakie Boy who's probably cleaning the crap out of his yarmulke.....I'll just copy and paste your disrespectful remarks and respond to them here in this forum where there is an audience present.
I prefer to dismantle you mental midgets in public. More fun and others get to learnin the process.
Two birds with one stone....now that's talent for ya. I'm going to copy and paste all of the names you called people on my page. You came here and want to present yourself as something to be listened to and respected. When I'm done with you....your going to apologize to your Mother for having been born. And afterwards I may or may not slap her one across the face for not teaching her disrespectful poor excuse of a son to show more respect when addressing and African woman.
Next?

Jesus, Allah or Muhammad were even thoughts in anyones minds anywhere on this planet. That is an historical FACT you can take to the bank.

CHA CHING!!! making interest..... Fascinating.... My Philosophy instructor was blowing my mind with this stuff... Thats excactly what she said....

She actually told me that mythology was the first relgion base..... star worshiping... planets... nature...

My dad always tells me that I have to learn his family religion.... Gods of Health,Beauty, Love... Mater of Life... BUT like I say no spooky stuff.....

Since during this verbal spiritual praise.... what happened.... because I read that the Romans were knowledgeable about the GODS...

Girl.... you got me here.... Im with this.....


what else..... gotta go back to make a deposit!!! ha

Hello David.

@Queen Cynthia


Both the Greeks and the Romans were savages playing 'civilization', no different than when childen play 'house' or 'doctor'. The Romans subsumed Greek so called civilization, while the Greeks themselves went to Africa to learn as did the Romans upon their conquest of the Greeks hence:


"After the Greeks (and thus the Romans) were CIVILIZED BY THE AFRICANS IN EGYPT most of what we now know as 'Europe' was still barbaric, and unheard of. There was really NO EUROPE in ancient times......and Europe as we know it was divided by the Rhine-Danube frontier, south and west of which lay the civilized provinces of the empire, and north and east the ''BARBARIANS' of whom the civilized world KNEW ALMOST NOTHING"

A HISTORY OF THE MODERN WORLD
R.R. Palmer (Prof. Yale University)
and Joel Colton (Prof. of History at Duke University)




Tell little Jakie boy to stop crying.

adam
you wanted to debate here you go get in ! what is on your mind ?

Christine, now I am on the same page. Love the scholarship.

David, I 'm hear to listen, ask questions. Christine is the teacher.

i thought you was talking **** about debating her what happen ?

David, I find nothing to disagree with what she is teaching.

lol !

thank you Princess.,..... Pangea..... right....

ok... now I know I am going to regret asking this question ..... but I gotta knopw

The King James Bible.... are we reading the actual copies/poorly edited ..... Christian Creation and Mythology Creation bares some similarities..... So Are the Lost Books.... Jubilees Maccabees, Susana, Thomas, Acts of Pilate.... are they false....

I got so many things we can discuss..... but first I gotta think.... Christine... love your scholarship.... You all rite.....

@Everyone

I am not in favor of teaching whites where I can avoid it as I am always keenly aware of the fact that they resent Truth at their core. But if dialogue with this white will help to remedy the disease from which my people suffer as result of contact (or as I prefer...'contamination') with his people, then I will proceed.


"Christine, I was just looking to fill in some blanks. Obviously the Church came under State control at the Council of Nicea, and the interviewer asked him to relate the circumstances leading to that, i.e. the prior 300 years, but Mr. Williams never really got into it. It's kind of a stale question at this point, I thought since you had his books I would ask you."


Ok David. I will tell you. And when I am done you will do a small favor for the youth of both of our people; you will teach them what you have learned. If I had it me way you wouldbe blocked from this forum as I have just blocked you from mine. To be privy to our sacred converstaions is no small thing. With the blessings of my Afrikan family members on this page I will continue. Without it I will not. You can rest assure of this. Even the comments of my Jake and Harry will go unanswered if I do not recieve their blessing to continue in your presence as I must acknowledge them before I acknowledge you. We may fight amongst each other ....but we are family, you are not. of this I am very, very clear.

David, Christine is answering questions I've had for a long, long time.

teach sista....

christine
can you speek on the the life of Mohammad ?
inlighten some of us about the life of this so called prophet !

@Princess.... chew him up gently...

Christine, understood.

ok i will do as you request !!

Steve/Adam.... where's Robert?

robert dont want none of christine !

@Queen Cynthia


Our people in this country (men women and children) were put to death by whites for learning how to read and write. Not even the most profound scholars from amongst our people have ever addressed the implications of why this was so, nor have they addressed it's impact on the myriad realities we currently suscribe to. I will say this before I take my 2 hour break and then I will return to see if that Blessing has been granted. It only takes one of you, and I will proceed.


A God with Amnesia....is a hell of a thing. Now Black Woman, go look at yourself in the mirror and see if you can see yourself a bit clearer.....brush away the confusion of Rome and Greece and their attendent aberrations and look back at what you created out of your own Afrikan mind. Then and only then can you see how everyone stole from you.....and then be prepared to see with stark clarity the price 'your' beautiful black children have had to pay for 'your' forgetfulness, 'your' lack of vigilance and see the state we have been reduced to....by savages, we once taught...even to walk upright, once again.



"Barbarians can neither think nor act rationally, theological controversies are Greek to them... Under the assault of their horrible songs the classic meter of the ancient poet goes to pieces...Barbarians are driven by evil spirits; "possessed by demons", who force them to commit the most terrible acts...incapable of living according to written laws and only reluctantly tolerating kings...Their lust for gold is immense, their love of drink boundless. Barbarians are without restraint...... they are given to gross personal hygiene...They run dirty and barefoot, even in the winter...They grease their blond hair with butter and care not that it smells rancid...Their reproductive energy is inexhaustible; the Northern climate of their native land, with its long winter nights favors their fantastic urge to procreate...If a barbarian people is driven back or destroyed, another already emerges from the marshes and forests of Germany...Indeed, there are no new barbarian peoples--descendents of the same tribes keep appearing." 


Herwig Wolfram,
Austrian historian. Professor emeritus at the University of Vienna,
Director of the Austrian Institute for Historical Research
(Institut für Österreichische Geschichtsforschung ).
The History of the Goths, p. 6-7). 



I couldn't lie even if I wanted to...I am forbidden to do so.

Illuminati conspiracies
"Writing in the aftermath of the French Revolution, these monarchists had created a counterhistory in defense of the aristocracy. Winning the hearts and minds of present and future readers would assuage some of the pain of recent defeat and mobilize defenses. The Revolution, they argued, was not rooted in poverty and despotism. Rather than a rising of the masses, it was the work of Adam Weishaupt’s Illuminati, a secret society that plotted to destroy all civil and religious authority and abolish marriage, the family, and private property. It was the Illuminati who schemed to turn contented peasants 'from Religion to Atheism, from decency to dissoluteness, from loyalty to rebellion.' "

In the 1950s and 1960s, members of the John Birch Society made much of this supposed 'shadow' organization, using it as an effective substitute for their anti-Semitism. Perhaps some of the confusion regarding the organization is due to the fact that over time, the word illuminati came to be used more expansively for many enthusiasts of Enlightenment, including but not limited to the followers of Emmanuel Swedenborg. Nevertheless, the Illuminati's connection with Freemasonry was date-specific (the late 1700s) and place-specific (what is now Germany); it had NO involvement in Freemasonry elsewhere despite fanciful claims. Even the oft-mentioned 'Proofs of A Conspiracy' written in 1797 by Robison (and the root cause of so much furor in the United States as a result of one Boston Minister's fanciful claims made based on that book) notes that the Illuminati's brand of Freemasonry was NOT the same Freemasonry as found in England and from which all other legitimate Masonic lodges today can trace their ancestry.

come on christine teach the masses !

David...be patient as I am going to speak to Islam in such a way that when I do....it will limp over to Christianity and ask it for help that will not be forth coming as it too will lay as a dead carcass. Cynthia I will answer all of your questions about the various Bibles, but first I will address Adam's questions as I think much of your other questions will be answered in the process. Adam posit your first question and when I return....I will comence. Make sure any 'bullet' you fire in my direction pierces the heart of my argument or be forewarned I will destroy any and every argument you put forth with a vengeance like none you have ever witnessed, or will ever witness again in this lifetime...I can most certainly assure you of this. Now...place your questions as they relate to the statement you made above:


"Christine, I was just looking to fill in some blanks. Obviously the Church came under State control at the Council of Nicea, and the interviewer asked him to relate the circumstances leading to that, i.e. the prior 300 years, but Mr. Williams never really got into it. It's kind of a stale question at this point, I thought since you had his books I would ask you."



What would you like to know ?

These are just some of the passges whites vigilantly kept out of their public 'fool-systems' so that little white children would not have to suffer from the inferiority complex which they in turn fostered upon our own. Imagine a white teacher calling a student up to the front of a multiracial, multi cultural classroom and having a black or a white child read these words aloud in front of the class; who would then be the well adjusted ones?


"How low the SAVAGE EUROPEANS must've looked to the Nile Valley AFRICANS looking north from his pyramid of Cheops?"

Prof. Dorsey (American Ethnologist and Anthropologist)
WHY WE BEHAVE LIKE HUMAN BEINGS
( publ. 1925)





"Four thousand years ago, when civilization was one or two thousand years old WHITE MEN WERE JUST A BUNCH OF SEMI-SAVAGES on the OUTSKIRTS OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD. "

Joseph Mcabe
KEY TO CULTURE -BOOK III
(publ. 1927)







"It was some 5000 years ago that the Egyptians had brought their civilization to so high a pitch. at this time Europe was still living in the twilight of the neolithic age. at the time when inhabitants of the Nile Valley were raising these mighty pyramids, and graving on the walls of their tombs the sculptures which have preserved the record of their religion and their life...the thoughts which animated their living brains, and the hopes which they held for their heads, the men of Great Britain were still in a state of semi-savagery, still dwelling in caves from which they had driven out animals only wilder than themselves, still roughly scratching on bone with sharp flints those rude figures which were all of art they knew"

Robert De Rustafjaell Esq. (Geologist, Mining Engineer and *Scholar)
THE LIGHT OF EGYPT
(London 1909)










"In Napoleon's day historians knew almost nothing about Egypt--past or present. It was a land the world had all but forgotten. and yet once, long before the birth of Christ, EGPYT had been the most famous and POWERFUL COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.
At a time in history when the ancestors of western man STILL LIVED AS SEMI-SAVAGES IN THE DENSE FORESTS OF ENGLAND AND EUROPE, a great civilization had existed along the banks of the river Nile."


Elizabeth Payne,
The Pharoahs of Ancient Egypt






"Africa long remained a mystery and, yet....was it not...the cradle of history? An African country, Egypt, thousands of years old , still presents, practically intact today, the most venerable monuments of Antiquity. At a time when ALL OF EUROPE WAS ONLY SAVAGERY, WHEN PARIS AND LONDON WERE SWAMPS, AND ROME AND ATHENS UNINHABITED SITES, AFRICA ALREADY POSSESSED AN ANTIQUE CIVILIZATION IN THE VALLEY OF THE NILE; it had populous cities....great public works, SCIENCES, and arts; it had already produced gods."



The French Historian, Jacques Weulersse
L'AFRIQUE NOIRE (Paris, Ed. Artheme Fayard, p.11)







There is a savage in our midst....one who wishes to learn.......again.










Of the peoples known to Afrikans of the ancient world, Europeans were the least advanced:
“I am ashamed to say so, since our race is the last and most savage,” he admits. “Europeans … in those remote epochs did not cut too fine a figure in the world. In this category we must include all blonds and white-skinned people living not only in Europe, but Asia as well.”

Jean-Francois Champollion.
Nineteenth century French scholar; the reputed father of Egyptology.



Europeans during the time of the Afrikan pharaohs:
“what we call flesh-colored, a white skin of the most delicate shade, a nose straight or slightly arched, blue eyes, blond or reddish beard, tall stature and very slender, clad in hairy ox-skin, [was] A VERITABLE SAVAGE tattooed on various parts of his body.”

Jean-Francois Champollion.
Nineteenth century French scholar; the reputed father of Egyptology.






They have not changed....we have. We have been brought low. If you wish to remain where you are....low in the degredations of the falsehoods these savages have disoriented you with, then by all means....stay where the hell you are. I would never remove a pig from the muck and mire of it's filth...why would I? It is happy there. But if you wish to avenge your Ancestors by simply reclaiming and restoring that which was forcibly taken from you, YOUR MIND, then walk with me as this savage attempts to set me up for a fall. What he fails to realize is that his arms are too short to box with God.

I type rather quickly so misspellings and missing words will be evident. My fingers do not keep up with my mind...impossible. Sometimes I repost if I've noticed a mistake. If I don't ..figure it out.

I'll return at 1-2 Am.

They are the Savages today.... who stripped us of cour birth rites.... our land, our family our religion, used gifts inorder to persuade us to go against each other.... Our Race has always been the stronger, smarter, nurturer.....

They were afraid that if we learn to read and write that our knowledge would exceed theres... And today our people have to stand up against unjustices... racism... bigotry... allienation....

Today our people who are the inheritance of this world ... all of it was ours....

I teach my sons that they are Mighty Kings and Warriors... They are Intelligent and Gifted... Blackness is not a curse.... It's a part of our inheritance.. Embrace it and love it....

Never walk in darknes.... Always seek the Light!

The implications an the after-effects of slavery, did a lot of damage to both the minds and the economy of colored people even years after slavery. Racism still flourishes in society. Unfortunately, it is one of those predicaments Blacks have to face in their economic struggle. Our yelling reaction to racism has lost its fire. For many years we sang the song, did the dance, walked the march in the process of outcry about the painful effects of racism. Things have changed and times are different, but many Blacks today are suffering from the after-effects of the struggle for justice. They are mentally lost in a time warp!

Sister Girl... You all rite with me.... I'll me back and forth take your time... Im cool

that's why it's important thant we read about our people.... our children are not going to get it from the history books...

One thing a racist cant stand is a educated (*&&%!! and a Smart ^%$&( is an upity .....!!!

hey Sista Thomasena.... We have been having a blast!

some people dont understand the link how ISLAM in tied into Christianity the way i see it is The influence of Christianity was brought to bear upon Arabia both from Syria in the northwest and from Mesopotamia in the northeast. In the sixth century A.D. the Arabic kingdoms of the Ghassanids in Syria and the Lakhmids in Mesopotamia were allied respectively with the Byzantine and the Persian empires and were strong centers respectively of Monophysite and of Nestorian Christianity. From these regions and in this time if not also earlier, Christian ideas spread on into the farther reaches of Arabia. A careful study of the relevant data particularly in the Qur'an shows that Muhammad had a very considerable store of knowledge of Judaism and Christianity, and that it was of the sort which he would have been most likely to obtain through oral channels and personal observation over a long period of time. He was specially impressed, it seems, with the fact that both the Jews and the Christians were People of a Book, and it was his desire likewise to provide his own people with a Book which would be to them what the Torah was to the Jews and the Bible to the Christians. (The Archeology Of World Religions, Jack Finegan, 1952, p482-485, 492)

. Koran 5:116, represents Christians as worshipping Mary as the third member of the Trinity, when in fact the only ones worshiping Mary, based upon the record of history, were the pagan Arabs who worship her idol in the Kaba. But the confusion started with the Roman Catholic church who, although they didn’t worship Mary at that time (they do today), they went around calling her "mother of God". Historically, no one before 300 AD ever referred to Mary as the "Mother of God".

1. "The passage of the Qur'an which suggests that the Trinity consists of Father, Son, and Virgin Mary is doubtless a criticism of some nominally Christian Arabs who held this view." (Muhammad at Mecca, W. Montgomery Watt, 1953, p 23-29)
2. The strictness of Mohammed's monotheistic attitude became increasingly severe. He went much farther than Eastern Christianity, whose Christolatry and Mariolatry he regarded as idolatry. Not even Judaism withstood the test of his monotheistic zeal. He regarded the Jewish reverence for Ezra as on the same level as the Christian adoration of Jesus (9, 30). (Mohammed: The man and his faith, Tor Andrae, 1936, Translated by Theophil Menzel, 1960, p13-3

Christine,

The question I have is what happened say from 70 CE or so, if we accept that date as the earliest Christian writings. I am not saying it should be accepted as the date, this is just what my understanding is. So if that is incorrect, then of course we must start from the true beginning, whatever that is. The same with the church in Alexandria, when did it start, what role did it play? I am interested in the process that led from the Egyptian origin of Christianity to the time it first became a tool of the State, which was under Constantine it seems. Did the process start with ignorance or deceit? What is the truth about the earliest Christian writings? I am not making any assumptions whatsoever. Just trying to put the question as clearly as I can.

If I may revise my question somewhat, it is postulated by some, that the gospel of Matthew, Mark and Luke have a common base in earlier writings. So 70 CE (Mark) may not be the place really to start.

Not really sure what you're asking because during the supposed time of Jesus there exist no Jewish writings referring to him..however, during the First and Second Revolts..the religion that had sprung up among the Hellenized and Romanized apostates and non Jewish Romans in Judea was definitely used against the Jewish people. For a more objective look at history and the beginnings of Christianity and the expulsion of the Jewish people from Judea and the Gallilee..
Christianity from it's very beginnings was never unified in certain concepts.

adam follow this link look on pg 139
http://books.google.com/books?id=UxJbGClip...

follow this link http://www.kemetway.com/massey1.html

I will begin in 10 minutes or less

Adam...I've read your questions, the original and 'revised'. I guess it's safe to assume your saving your bombshells for deeper water as I would. I respect that.
The questions you asked above did not contain the depth I'd hoped they would. Your question basically reflected that you've been as miseducated as has everyone else in this forum, which is in fact the actual case for all whites as basically none of them (other than certain Egyptologists) can say that they've glimpsed the truth as it actually occured. I have decided Adam....to lead this inquiry by question. Anyone may answer. Adam i hope to see you answering as quickly if not quicker than everyone else being I have chosen this method so that you may finally have the answers to your questions. If I could sread your passion for answers throughout our own communities you would see a resurgence of the Kings and Queens brought low by your savage ancestors. We will use this exercise to bring that reality brought to bear. Are you all ready for the first question? Only one 'yes' will suffice.

Thank you David, I will take a look at the links. I am off to bed, but will just say first, it has always puzzled me why, if we accept the historicity of Jesus, and the date of the gospel of Mark (both of which I leave open to question), there was a 40 year gap between the two.

Christine, I am in fact pretty uneducated on the subject. I have no bombshells. I'm ready for your question.

@Everyone


If you do not know about Alexander of Macedon you will NEVER understand what brough Christianity into being. The person who was closest to the Truth was Saint Jake....he had only one thing standing in his way (?); his 'beliefs'. That is the only purpose they serve....to block you from the Truth; that is why you were furnished with them in the first place. This is why I had to rattle his cage...try waking up a person deep in sleep without shaking them and you will see how ineffective your efforts are.
Now he's paying attention. i know I would be; ready to pounce (smile).


Here's the Zillion dollar question that starts it all...anyone may answer. I will not proceed to the next question until the current one is answered, always. You must all learn how to learn. The first step to learning is thinking. So thinking caps on. Use computers dictionaries ...everything at your disposal. The quicker one of you answers the quicker we move on. See how far down the rabbit hole actually goes.



WHAT WAS ALEXANDER'S GREATEST ASPIRATION WHEN HE ARRIVED IN ANCIENT EGYPT?

He was a conquer who invaded and seized territory

Alexander entered Egypt in 331 BC. When he arrived, he was welcomed, and he ordered a city to be designed and founded in his name at the mouth of the river Nile. Alexandria would become one of the major cultural centers in the Mediterranean world in the following centuries.

In the spring of 331 Alexander made a pilgrimage to the great temple and oracle of Amon-Ra, Egyptian god of the sun, whom the Greeks identified with Zeus. The earlier Egyptian pharaohs were believed to be sons of Amon-Ra and Alexander, the new ruler of Egypt, wanted the god to acknowledge him as his son. The pilgrimage apparently was successful, and it may have confirmed in him a belief in his own divine origin.

While in Egypt, Alexander spontaneously decided to make the dangerous trip across the desert to visit the oracle at the temple of Zeus Ammon. On the way, he was blessed with abundant rain, and he was guided across the desert by ravens. At the temple, Alexander spoke to the oracle about matters that are unclear to most historians. Many sources, however, speculated that the priest told Alexander that he was the son of Zeus Ammon and that he was destined to rule the world.

http://faq.macedonia.org/history/alexander...

I'm not done, digging deeper.

Good Morning Everyone.... Especially you Princess.... Can't wait for the lesson today....
Alexander the Great... greatest inspiration when he arrived in Egypt???

ok... (1) he wanted to unite the macedonians whom Aristotle saw as barbarians
(2) He wanted Zeus to accept him as his son (3) He wanted To Conquer and Rule the World

Siwah: Alexander the God

In the winter of 331 BC, Alexander detoured through the desert to the Siwah oasis to visit the temple of Zeus-Ammon. Again, we have multiple accounts of this occasion, but in each one of them Alexander leaves Siwah with the firm belief he is the son of Zeus-Ammon and therefore a god. According to Arrian, after Alexander visited his new territory of Egypt he “suddenly found himself passionately eager to visit the shrine of Ammon in Libya.” Arrian asserts Alexander wished to embark on this journey to learn about his heritage, for he “had a feeling that in some way he was descended from Ammon,” and wanted to affirm this hunch.

Curtius’ account is similar, claiming “after settling administrative matters ..., [Alexander] decided to visit the oracle of Jupiter Ammon.” After a hot, dry journey through the desert, Alexander and his party reached the Siwah oasis, site of the temple of Ammon. Curtius describes the priest addressing Alexander as “son” (meaning son of Jupiter-Ammon), and insinuating Philip was not Alexander’s father at all. However, Curtius himself, in keeping with his somewhat skeptical view of the king, implies the priest may have merely been flattering Alexander.

Plutarch confirms both aspects of Curtius’ account—that Alexander was welcomed as son of the god and that the priest cautioned Alexander against calling Philip his father. Arrian is quite vague, stating only that Alexander asked his question and received “the answer which his heart desired.” Recalling Arrian’s assertion that Alexander wished to confirm his feeling that he was the son of Zeus-Ammon with this side trip, and with Curtius’ and Plutarch’s accounts in mind, it is obvious in all three sources that Alexander indeed came away set in the knowledge that he was the son of god.

Whether or not it was flattery on the part of the priest, from this point on Alexander believed he was the son of Zeus-Ammon, a divine being with invincibility and greatness beyond that of any human. Further evidence of this belief can be found later in the accounts of Alexander’s life. Curtius claims Alexander “did not just permit but actually ordered the title ‘Jupiter’s son’ to be accorded to himself,” and later “wished to be believed, not just called, the son of Jupiter.” It is clear Alexander valued this title and privileged nature among mankind very highly.

According to Curtius and Justin, Alexander requested shortly before his death to be buried in the temple of Ammon, taking his divine parentage seriously—or attempting to prove his divinity to others even in death. In light of his stern belief in his own divinity, it is logical Alexander would wish to be buried at the temple where he first learned of his lineage and where his own father was housed and worshiped—it would become a dynastic symbol. Burial as a god would also indicate immortality, something Alexander likely hoped for and certainly hoped others would attribute to his memory. Arrian includes an otherwise unmentioned story, one he himself appears not to believe, which describes the dying Alexander at Babylon trying to throw himself into the Euphrates, so it appeared as though he vanished rather than died a mortal death. Even if the story is untrue, its circulation affirms the implication found in the request to be buried at the temple of Zeus-Ammon—Alexander was hoping he would be remembered as more than the king of Macedon or conqueror of Persia. The king was hoping to use his death as one last push to the public to approve of and embrace his divinity: to be remembered as Alexander the God.

2009
The Remains of Alexander the Great: The God,
The King, The Symbol
Lauren O'Connor
Illinois Wesleyan University

Good Morning Cynthia.

ok..... BANG!!!
Toc onquer and steal the records of law, poetry, government, religion, etc. The Intiquities..... And he did and the Most High gave him the power to take down those low life Egyptian Hamites. I'm glad he destroyed them even though he was a homos*xual white devil. ((Thanks..... SJ))...

ok.... I cheated... needed a little help.... BUt looking for the answer was awesome....!!

This is some information.... I gotta pass on to my son Deshonne...

ooohh.... Im scared.... LOL!! there will not be any confrontations.... Im in it to win it.... OK BABY Bro....
I needed your help... I wanted your help!!

((wink)) ((kiss))

oh and one more thing.... that's the beauty of it all....
I ADORE YOUR QUICK-STRONG-SPIRITED MIND... I VALUE YOUR KNOWLEDGE.... You have taught me alot ((edomites)) lol!!!

i see we are geting it in this morning good !
Christine again i want to thank you for coming to BIA and spreading the knowledge i know your desire to enlighten the people and spread wisdom across the pages of this site is real and for that mt sister i thank you !

Alexander the Great placed his stamp onto the history of nations as the precursor of Christ, since he:
brought the Hellenic civilization to the East,
established the Greek language as the only common tongue of communication amongst all the nations of the then known world, which was used as a vehicle to promulgate Christianity, that addressed peace and love between nations,
condemned racial discrimination and declared religious freedom.

He was welcomed by the Egyptians as a deliverer !

10 However, the seers exhorted him to be of good cheer, since the city here founded by him would have most abundant and helpful resources and be a nursing mother for men of every nation, and so he ordered those in charge of the work to proceed with it, while he himself set out for the temple of Ammon. 11 The journey thither was long, full of toils and hardships, and had two perils. One is the dearth of water, which leaves the traveller destitute of it for many days; the other arises when a fierce south wind smites men travelling in sand of boundless depth, 12 as is said to have been the case with the army of Cambyses, long ago; the wind raised great billows of sand all over the plain and buried up fifty thousand men, to their utter destruction. 13 Almost all of Alexander's followers took all these things into consideration, but it was difficult to turn him aside from any course so ever when he had once set out upon it. 14 For Fortune, by yielding to his onsets, was making his purpose obstinate, and the high spirit which he carried into his undertakings rendered his ambition finally invincible, so that it subdued not only enemies, but even times and places.

27 At all events, during the journey which he made at this time, the assistance rendered him by Heaven in his perplexities met with more credence than the oracles which he afterwards received, nay, in a way, the oracles obtained credence in consequence of such assistance. 2 For, to begin with, much rain from heaven and persistent showers removed all fear of thirst, quenched the dryness of the sand, so that it became moist and compact, and made the air purer and good to breathe. 3 Again, when the marks for the guides became confused, and the travellers were separated and wandered about in ignorance of the route, ravens appeared and assumed direction of their march, flying swiftly on in front of them when they followed, and waiting for them when they marched slowly and lagged behind. 4 Moreover, what was most astonishing of all, Callisthenes tells us that the birds by their cries called back those who straggled away in the night, and cawed until they had set them in the track of the march.

5 When Alexander had passed through the desert and was come to the place of the oracle, the prophet of Ammon gave him salutation from the god as from a father; whereupon Alexander asked him whether any of the murderers of his father had escaped him. 6 To this the prophet answered by bidding him be guarded in his speech, since his was not a mortal father. Alexander therefore changed the form of his question, and asked whether the murderers of Philip had all been punished; and then, regarding his own empire, he asked whether it was given to him to become lord and master of all mankind. 7 The god gave answer that this was given to him, and that Philip was fully avenged. Then Alexander made splendid offerings to the god and gave his priests large gifts of money.

8 This is what most writers state regarding the oracular responses; but Alexander himself, in a letter to his mother, says that he received certain secret responses, which he would tell to her, and to her alone, on his return. 9 And some say that the prophet, wishing to show his friendliness by addressing him with "O paidion," or O my son, in his foreign pronunciation ended the words with "s" instead of "n," and said, "O paidios," and that Alexander was pleased at the slip in pronunciation, and a story became current that the god had addressed him with "O pai Dios," or O son of Zeus. 10 We are told, also, that he listened to the teachings of Psammon the philosopher in Egypt, and accepted most readily this utterance of his, namely, that all mankind are under the kingship of God, since in every case that which gets the mastery and rules is divine. 11 Still more philosophical, however, was his own opinion and utterance on this head, namely that although God was indeed a common father of all mankind, still, He made peculiarly His own the noblest and best of them.

28 In general, he bore himself haughtily towards the Barbarians, and like one fully persuaded of his divine birth and parentage, but with the Greeks it was within limits and somewhat rarely that he assumed his own divinity. 2 However, in writing to the Athenians concerning Samos, he said: "I cannot have given you that free and illustrious city; for ye received it from him who was then your master and was called my father," meaning Philip. 3 At a later time, however, when he had been hit by an arrow and was suffering great pain, he said: "This, my friends, that flows here, is blood, and not

'Ichor, such as flows from the veins of the blessed gods.' "

4 Once, too, there came a great peal of thunder, and all were terrified at it; whereupon Anaxarchus the sophist who was present said to Alexander: "Couldst thou, the son of Zeus, thunder like that?" At this, Alexander laughed and said: "Nay, I do not wish to cause fear in my friends, as thou wouldst have me do, thou who despisest my suppers because, as thou sayest, thou seest the tables furnished with fish, and not with satraps' heads." 5 For, in fact, we are told that Anaxarchus, on seeing a present of small fish which the king had sent to Hephaestion, had uttered the speech above mentioned, as though he were disparaging and ridiculing those who undergo great toils and dangers in the pursuit of eminence and power, since in the way of enjoyments and pleasures they have little or nothing more than other men. 6 From what has been said, then, it is clear that Alexander himself was not foolishly affected or puffed up by the belief in his divinity, but used it for the subjugation of others.

Excerpt from Plutarch
The Life of Alexander

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roma...

Plutarch's Sources

Since Plutarch wrote around 100 A.D., over 400 years after Alexander, he can hardly be considered a primary source. At the same time, he appears to have been very careful in his research, and may be the best source now extant. For the details, see the Plutarch section of the excellent multi-page analysis at Livius of the sources for the life of Alexander, to which I would only add one further source not mentioned in that essay, the only one that Plutarch himself specifically cites, are actual letters of Alexander and Olympias (III.7.6, III.8.1, III.17.8, III.20.9, III.22.5, IV.27.8, V.39.7, VIII.55.7; and a number of less direct references): whether these letters are real or fictional, whether cited first-hand or from an intermediate source, is a matter of judgment and scholarship.

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roma...

David, that second link you gave me last night is very interesting. I bookmarked it for further study.

If there was ever a most enlightening and colorful blog on BIA in 2010 it would have to be this one...may this get BIA to number one...

51 When Alexander was conducted by the priests into the temple and had regarded the god for a while, the one who held the position of prophet, an elderly man, came to him and said, "Rejoice, son; take this form of address as from the god also." 2 He replied, "I accept, father; for the future I shall be called thy son. But tell me if thou givest me the rule of the whole earth." The priest now entered the sacred enclosure and as the bearers now lifted the god and were moved according to certain prescribed sounds of the voice, the prophet cried that of a certainty the god had granted him his request, and Alexander spoke again: "The last, O spirit, of my questions now answer; have I punished all those who were the murderers of my father or have some escaped me?" 3 The prophet shouted: "Silence! There is no mortal who can plot against the one who begot him. All the murders of Philip, however, have been punished. The proof of his divine birth will resist in the greatness of his deeds; as formerly he has been undefeated, so now he will be unconquerable for all time." 4 Alexander was delighted with these responses. He honoured the god with rich gifts and returned to Egypt.

Diodorus Siculus
Book 17, Chapter 51

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roma...

Everyone is doing a great job of staying in their lane and following the rules of the road...except for Harry who is still crossing the double solid white lines (LOL)..

Way to GO Princess..... !!!!! YOU got BIG Mann's Approval
(((Hell of a discussion. And great job Ms. Govenor! )))

I have to agree with Siebra.... this is 2010's BLOG for BIA!!!

It'll make 3000 HITS!!!!

I would highly, highly ......highly suggest that everyone reads what Adam has been posting. Without that knowledge you will NEVER know what happened to your Ancestors. How poetic, it was asavage who brought us down, it is now a savage who assists in our re-ascension. Not only has he presented well, but the way in which he presented shows...he 'gets it'.

Adam/Steve/??....... he got it!!!

:o..... Adam/Steve/???............ :o

cynthia
remember the link you sent me yesterday
well it has the same info so good job to you and adam !

Thank you Christine, for the lesson plan, and the homework assignment.

@Mozell Fleming


1.In one breath Mozell, you say "Christene, you have far exceeded my rudimary knowledge as I drifted along the edge of history". In the very next breath you posit "these facts have been known by many of us for many years".


These sentiments are mutually exclusive as both cannot not smultaneously be true. You either know...or you don't. You have already intimated that you do not. Please do not confuse the 'education' you have been the recipient of with where I am eventually going in this discourse. That would be the same fatal mistake black people continue to make incessantly so; the mistake of thinking they already know everything there is to know pertaining to them, when in point of fact your historical enemies know more about you than you do. You can only feign manhood while speaking a language forced on you by those who violated your women at will, and who have reduced you to the level of a mere citizen on this planet (just barely so) when you once ruled it. From this point on I will address only the subject matter at hand as in every class room there are those who desire to know, whilst still there are others who will simply "drifted along the edge". You can do nothing with an answer you do not have. This is the greatest difference. You Mozell have questions....I have none. All of mine have been answered; therefore answers are all that I have. What I am ignorant of I am simply ignorant of until such time occurs that I am no longer ignorant of it. But what I know, I know and therefore do not require belief.
There is no need for me to subject my mind to games.....even 2000 year old 'games'.


2. Saint James:

"Toc onquer and steal the records of law, poetry, government, religion, etc. The Intiquities"..... And he did"

You are incorrect. Though 'history' may tell you that it was, It was not Alexander who succeeded in these things, it was his successors. Alexander cared not for such things. He cared about one thing and one thing only. He was an illiterate savage who wanted to be as a God.
In Ancient Africa only, there existed the phenomena of the 'God King', a veritable earthly 'Son of God'. In Ancient Egypt this was the office assumed by the Nst Bty (he who comes from the South who is King of All Egypt, Upper and Lower). It was this Office that Alexander was obsessed with....and nothing else. This is also why he requested that his body be buried in Africa only.....Egypt only. I commission all of you....to ask your children, your families your pastors... this question; "If Africans were savages swinging on trees in the jungles and eating one another, as so many still claim and believe, then why did the greatest of all European conquerors of the known world at that time choose to be buried in Africa ONLY? Why not Macedonia, Greece, or any of his ancestral haunts? He chose Africa because one who saw himself as the greatest in his own mind could only spend ETERNITY with....THE GREATEST. THIS WOULD BE YOU MY AFRICAN PEOPLE.



3. "and the Most High gave him the power to take down those low life Egyptian Hamites. I'm glad he destroyed them even though he was a homos*xual white devil."


This is religious tradition, not a reflection of the historical record; not even in the remotest sense.
That he was a homos*xual is attested to by the historical record; that he was a white devil is matter of course.

I am going to show you images many of you have never seen before.....as you were never supposed to see them, as you were never supposed to know of what I am speaking of. If you were, it would have been taught to you in the hallowed halls of academia....it was not. That alone is proof enough that as a people your children were supposed to grow up and be concerned only with frivolity and insignificance. They were all meant to be 'functionaries', as a faucet or a door knob has it's function:

"The African on the continent has been sandwhiched by the whites in the south and the Arabs to the north, they have been in effect 'squeezed' by both.
Likewise the African mind (yours and mine) has been intentionally squeezed into small spaces. We tend to squeeze ourselves into small spaces; a person with only 500 years worth of knowledge lives in 500 year room.....a person with 5000 years worth of knowledge, lives in 5000 YEAR ROOM'. Hence it makes a difference to your dynamic. Having your mind reconnected after it has been disconnected for the better part of 2000 years is no small matter as your mind occupies it's true space in conciousness."


Dr. Ivan Van Sertima
Rutgers University &
UNESCO (United Nations Educational Scientific Cultural Organiztion)




Time to escape our from our cages people.

I will never move past a point as my students are the best of the best. Therefore Alexander must be UNDERSTOOD. There is no pastor who can tell you about him, no Rabbi or Imam. The university professors know much of the facts but their training is very very .....very limited. When we are done, you....will be the best.

This is How Alexander is always Shown:


http://gardenofpraise.com/images/garalex.j...


Why is t they never show him the way he wanted to be remembered?:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lifes__too_sh...



"By the unanimous testimony of ancient historians, the Egyptians belonged to the Negro race which first settled in Ethiopia on the middle nile, following the course of the river, they gradually reached the sea...."

Egyptologist/Historian Gaston Maspero (1846-1916) The Dawn of Civilization (London, 1894)



Hence Alexander wanted to be an African God King ( ie. a 'Sa Ra', or a 'Son of God').

i can see the key to the cage of my mind with more i will b free to spread my wings and teach the youth !

i will post the info here >>>
The shrine was rededicated to Alexander the Great after it was reconstructed by him. Representations in this chamber depict Alexander the Great before an Ithyphallic Amun Alexander the Great standing before figures of the ithyphallic Amun. Alexander the Great is, of course, dressed as a pharaoh, and in these scenes he receives the two crowns of Upper and Lower Egypt. He also participates in offering rites. At one time four pillars defined the space where the sacred barque of Amun (of Karnak), and his image were placed during the Opet Festival, but these were replaced during the time of Alexander the Great with an inner shrine. Above the lintel of the doorway into this antechamber, a small chamber was built into the wall that was just large enough to accommodate a man. It was concealed by removable slabs, and accessed by holds cut in the wall. Some scholars believed this to be a priest-hole, where a priest would conceal himself during religious Detail from the Central Wall of the Barque Shrine modified by Alexander the Great ceremonies. He would then be the voice of Amun, when priests asked questions of the god.

alright.... Thanks D.. Christine is the teacher....I am the student.... Just remember... Socrates and Plato... Plato gatherd all of his teacher's knowledge....
and shared with a larger audience..... I seek enlightenment...

everybody please respect what is going on here or i will ask you to leave !
i dont want this to be shot stooped because of some bull**** lets keep it 100 !
THIS IS BLACK HISTORY JETS RESPECT THAT OK !

@ Everyone

One of the most telling images you will ever see....this is how your Christianity began. Look at the name of the temple he is visiting. Who will be the first to give me the name of the temple?

http://abundancesecrets.com/motivational-p...

the Temple of Apis in Memphis

@Mozell

I will say this once more and only once more. I detest repeating myself.

A God with amnesia is of no use to either himself nor to those who supplicate him. The same then is equally true of a people. A people suffering from collective amnesia, self imposed or otherwise (and in this case it would most definitively be 'otherwise) suffer from more textbook ailments than I could begin to name. They are in point of fact of no use to themselves or to anyone else other than to represent the interest of all polities extablished by the very entities who disoriented them in the first place for such express purpose. This is called for lack of better word.....'thinking'; very few people have been introduced to it as it was neither created nor produced in a 'fastfood culture' so I therefore re-iterate that you follow the suit of the savage present.

Luxor.... Splendid

CYNTHIA HERE IS THE LINK TO THE LUXOR SPLENDID WITH PICS
http://www.bluffton.edu/~sullivanm/egypt/l...

thanks D.... I stayed up late last night reading... I didn't read my class assignment for Philosophy class tonight.... I tell you knowledge is addictive....

simply gorgeous.... I have always had this longing to visit Egypt.... I'm going one day.... For some strange feeling.... Its like Im supposed to be there.... D.. when I get this degree... my son and I are going to re-conquer this world .....

THAT THE TRUTH CYNTHIA YOU ARE ON THE PATH ,,STAY ON IT !

Ammon was a Libyan deity, whose oracle was situated in the Siwa oasis, some 500 kilometers west of Memphis, the capital of ancient Egypt. The oasis was also called Ammon. The Egyptians identified the god with their own supreme deity Amun; they called god of the oracle "Amun of Siwa, lord of good counsel". The fact that the site was hard to reach, must have contributed to the feeling that an oracle from Ammon was something special - and therefore reliable.

The worship surrounding Amun, and later, Amun-Re represented one of ancient Egypt's most complex theologies. In his most mature form, Amun-Re became a hidden, secret god. In fact, his name (Imn), or at lest the name by which the ancient Egyptians called him, means "the hidden one" or "the secret one" (though there has been speculation that his name is derived from the Libyan word for water, aman. However, modern context seems to negate this possibility). In reality, however, and according to mythology, both his name and physical appearance were unknown, thus indicating his unknowable essence.

Amun-Re grew so important spiritually and politically by the time of the New Kingdom that Egypt became something of a Theocracy. At the apex of his worship, Egyptian religion approached monotheism. The other gods became mere symbols of his power, or manifestations of Amun-Re. In essence, he became the one and only supreme deity.

Yes David ...you are correct.


If you ask the average Christian what 'Amen' means they will tell with the most serious looks on their faces that it means 'so be it'. It does not ....it means "the hidden one, the unkowable one ie. God".

he keep on changing his image as he understood the power in them and so the people could ''see'' him as a god ? /powerful person

The sacred animal of Amun was originally the Goose, and like Geb, he was sometimes known as the "Great Cackler". Later, Amun was more closely associated with the Ram, a symbol of fertility. At various times he also sometimes appears as a man with the head of a frog, the head of a uraeus, the head of a crocodile, or as an ape. However, when depicted as a king, he wears the crown of two plumes, a symbol borrowed from Min, and often sits on a throne. In this form, he is one of nine deities who compose the company of gods of Amen-Ra. In the Greek period (and somewhat earlier, in order to ascribe many attributes to Amun-Re, he was sometimes depicted in bronze with the bearded head of a man, the body of a beetle with the wings of a hawk, the legs of a man and the toes and claws of a lion. He was further provided with four hands and arms and four wings.

My only meal of the day calls . I will see you all at midnight. Mozell...thank you for your patience, one more attempt to deviate from the discussion and you will be blocked....or I will take my leave. My time is not to be waisted. Strong suggestion...dont even respond to that.

I suggest those of you who can, be present when I return. Consider my schedule will not always allow for this. My suggestion? Take it advantage of it while you can.


I will leave you with this.

Alexander ended up at the Temple of God Apis as David said, and as you all saw in the photo as well (hence a picture is worth 1000 words).....you now know who God Amen is...but who is God 'Apis'...what are his attributes? How does it relate to Christianity? Lets take a look. My suggestion? If you no longer wish to be a 'dummy' when it comes to the subject matter we are discussing.....read the whole page.
See if you can find the word resurrected in the article as well. This way later on you will be able to understand what is being discussed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apis_(Egyptia...

[3.27] About the time when Cambyses arrived at Memphis, Apis appeared to the Egyptians. Now Apis is the god whom the Greeks call Epaphus. As soon as he appeared, straightway all the Egyptians arrayed themselves in their gayest garments, and fell to feasting and jollity: which when Cambyses saw, making sure that these rejoicings were on account of his own ill success, he called before him the officers who had charge of Memphis, and demanded of them - "Why, when he was in Memphis before, the Egyptians had done nothing of this kind, but waited until now, when he had returned with the loss of so many of his troops?" The officers made answer, "That one of their gods had appeared to them, a god who at long intervals of time had been accustomed to show himself in Egypt - and that always on his appearance the whole of Egypt feasted and kept jubilee." When Cambyses heard this, he told them that they lied, and as liars he condemned them all to suffer death.

[3.28] When they were dead, he called the priests to his presence, and questioning them received the same answer; whereupon he observed, "That he would soon know whether a tame god had really come to dwell in Egypt" - and straightway, without another word, he bade them bring Apis to him. So they went out from his presence to fetch the god. Now this Apis, or Epaphus, is the calf of a cow which is never afterwards able to bear young. The Egyptians say that fire comes down from heaven upon the cow, which thereupon conceives Apis. The calf which is so called has the following marks:- He is black, with a square spot of white upon his forehead, and on his back the figure of an eagle; the hairs in his tail are double, and there is a beetle upon his tongue.

[3.29] When the priests returned bringing Apis with them, Cambyses, like the harebrained person that he was, drew his dagger, and aimed at the belly of the animal, but missed his mark, and stabbed him in the thigh. Then he laughed, and said thus to the priests:- "Oh! blockheads, and think ye that gods become like this, of flesh and blood, and sensible to steel? A fit god indeed for Egyptians, such an one! But it shall cost you dear that you have made me your laughing-stock." When he had so spoken, he ordered those whose business it was to scourge the priests, and if they found any of the Egyptians keeping festival to put them to death. Thus was the feast stopped throughout the land of Egypt, and the priests suffered punishment. Apis, wounded in the thigh, lay some time pining in the temple; at last he died of his wound, and the priests buried him secretly without the knowledge of Cambyses.

The Persian Wars
by Herodotus

Written 440 BCE

Translated by George Rawlinson

Book 3 - THALIA

http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/anc...

a bull-deity worshipped in the Memphis region. he was "the renewal of the life" of the Memphite god Ptah: but after death he became Osorapis, i.e. the Osiris Apis, just as dead humans were assimilated to Osiris,Apis was the most important of all the sacred animals in Egypt, and, as with the others, its importance increased as time went on. Greek and Roman authors have much to say about Apis, the marks by which the black bull-calf was recognized, the manner of his conception by a ray from heaven,
the christians would kill the bulls as a sacrifice for there sins

The earliest mention of a Serapis is in the disputed death scene of Alexander (323 BC).[3] Here, Serapis has a temple at Babylon, and is of such importance that he alone is named as being consulted on behalf of the dying king. His presence in Babylon would radically alter perceptions of the mythologies of this era, though fortunately it has been discovered that the unconnected Babylonian god Ea (Enki) was titled Serapsi, meaning 'king of the deep', and it is possible this Serapsi is the one referred to in the diaries. The significance of this Serapsi in the Hellenic psyche, due to its involvement in Alexander's death, may have also contributed to the choice of Osiris-Apis as the chief Ptolemaic god.

# the Argive Apis with the Egyptian bull Apis, who was in turn identified with Serapis (Sarapis)"; Pausanias also conflates Serapis and Egyptian Apis: "Of the Egyptian sanctuaries of Serapis the most famous is at Alexandria, the oldest at Memphis. Into this neither stranger nor priest may enter, until they bury Apis" (Pausanias,Description of Greece, 1.18.4).
# ^ Reported from Arrian, Anabasis, VII. 26.
# ^ In his Description of Greece, Pausanias notes two Serapeia on the slopes of Acrocorinth, above the rebuilt Roman city of Corinth (2.4.5) and one at Copae in Boeotia

Since Osiris was lord of the dead, the Apis then became known as the living deceased one. As he now represented Osiris, when the Apis bull reached the age of twenty-eight, the age when Osiris was said to have been killed by Set, symbolic of the lunar month, and the new moon, the bull was put to death with a great sacrificial ceremony.

The early Alexandrian Christian community appears to have been rather syncretic in their worship of Serapis and Jesus and would prostrate themselves without distinction between the two.[5] A letter inserted in the Augustan History, ascribed to the Emperor Hadrian, refers to the worship of Serapis by residents of Egypt who described themselves as Christians, and Christian worship by those claiming to worship Serapis, suggesting a great confusion of the cults and practices:

I haven't had a chance to catch up on my reading. Christine is full of information. Much of it, I had come across before. I need to finish my reading before I can comment. What
little I ahve already read, needs no comment. The lady is good.

Apis was originally the Herald (wHm) of Ptah, the chief god in the area around Memphis. As a manifestation of Ptah, Apis also was considered to be a symbol of the pharaoh, embodying the qualities of kingship.The Apis was a god to be venerated for his excellent kindness and for his mercy towards all strangers. Apis was the most popular of the three great bull cults of ancient Egypt (the others being the bulls Mnewer and Bakha.) Unlike the cults of most of the other Egyptian deities, the worship of the Apis bull was continued by the Greeks and after them by the Romans, and lasted until almost 400 A.D.
Ceremonial burials of bulls indicate that ritual sacrifice was part of the worship of the early cow deities and a bull might represent a king who became a deity after death. He was entitled "the renewal of the life" of the Memphite god Ptah: but after death he became Osorapis, i.e. the Osiris Apis, just as dead humans were assimilated to Osiris, the king of the underworld. resurrected

"The Apis is the calf of a cow which is never afterwards able to have another. The Egyptian belief is that a flash of light descends upon the cow from heaven, and this causes her to conceive Apis. The Apis-calf has distinctive marks: it is black, with a white square on its forehead, the image of an eagle on its back, the hair on its tail double, and a scarab under its tongue. Herodotus, Histories 3.28

Exodus 32:3,4 "And all the people brake off the golden earrings which were in their ears, and brought them unto Aaron. And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt."

1 Kings 12:28-29 "Whereupon the king took counsel, and made two calves of gold, and said unto them, It is too much for you to go up to Jerusalem: behold thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. And he set the one in Bethel, and the other put he in Dan."

@ Everyone (Adam...I highly suggest you pay attention...if you are still present)

I will explain:

#1. Alexander of Macedon was obsessed with occupying the office of Pharaoh; this could only be facilitated by your African Ancestors, the priesthood of God Amen in Ancient Egypt. He created a false legend around himself with the help of Uncle Tom, sell out members of the priesthood and presented himself as the occupier of that divine office, hence the images of himself as Pharaoh (http://www.flickr.com/photos/lifes__too_short__to__drink__cheap__wine/3107355083/in/photostream/
) and as the 'Son of God' Amen, presented usually in the form of a ram (http://www.pharaohjunior.com/photos/All%20Egypt/imagepages/image134.htm),(Alexander as 'Son' of this African God Amen, http://s573.photobucket.com/albums/ss177/a...

Note of Importance: Alexander FAILED; he was never approved by the priesthood as he was a savage , this rejection of what he would've considered to be his greatest accomplishment caused him to succumb to profound depression; depression strong enough to kill, and it did as he drank himself to death while away from the Africans in Egypt whom had rejected him. His body being buried in Egypt caused the First War of the Diadochi, 322–320 BC. All of this because of a country, a culture, a civilization, a world view produced by your Black African Ancestors of Ancient Egypt. No white professor would ever tell you these things, they would have to explain the actions of their Ancestors who tried to convince the world that we instead were the savages who waited for them to bring us civilization, and doctrines of ressurection, when it was our Ancestors who gave it to them. Tell your children these truths around the dinner table, show them the images so that they may know what truly happened. Show them what their Ancestors accomplished and what they bequeathed to the world, things of such value that the savages of what is now Europe felt they had to steal and stamp their face on. Now we will discuss how they did this. Remember....Alexander failed to be accepted by the priesthood...theirfore he was only an 'honorary' Pharaoh, a friendly gesture on behalf of the people of Ancient Egypt. To him this was failure and humiliating. Now comes the most important sentence I've written since this dialogue began. Where Alexander failed his succesor Ptolemy I. Soter (ie. Lagi) SUCCEEDED. This is the part of the story you must master to free your minds. Are your ready to continue? Do you want to know what happened. I'm not going to just tell you...I'm going to show you. I'm going to teach you things about the Bible only the best scholars know anything about, and they do not share these things with you because they feel you are all too stupid to participate in the discussion. However true that may be (or not) we are about to change all of that. Until your world view is set back to being right side up you are all going from the cradle to the grave living a lie. If that's what you wish for yourselves and for your future progeny let me know and I will stop here and now as there are other things and persons whom beckon my attention. If you wish to know how Christianity was truly brought about let me know and I will continue.

The Africa God 'Amen' who was called 'the Father' of Alexander of Macedon.
http://www.pharaohjunior.com/photos/All%20...

Do you understand why white teachers will never teach this to your children or why they did not teach it to you? Mostly it''s because most of them do not know themselves. White skin is not synonymous with 'educated'.

You are learning about the ground work of what caused the Bible to come into existence.....By the time we are done...should you want me to continue, you will be teaching the pastors....as I do.

I will wait.

Christine,

I am definitely following along. Last night I was trying to put the pieces together, Alexander being made Pharaoh at Memphis and the significance of his sacrifice to Apis. Trying to find the ancient sources - there seems to be some lack of agreement where he was made Pharaoh, though perhaps that is not the important point, after having read the above, that he failed. And in the course of it all, I found this (I told you I am uneducated on this subject) and went off on what I am sure is a related pursuit.

7. Gods, and the Fan-bearers and the Sacred Scribes and all the other priests from the temples throughout the land who have come to meet the king at Memphis, for the feast of the assumption

8. By Ptolemy, the ever-living, the beloved of Ptah, the God Epiphanes Eucharistos, the kingship in which he succeeded his father, they being assembled in the temple in Memphis this day declared...

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/ros...

So many pieces to the puzzle. I am anxious to see how they all fit together.

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christine i am here
you got people on there toes and eager to go to the next level
i will be in and out today or following along on my i phone
again thank you for coming and sharing the knowledge
you are a true blessing !

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I have a question. Are the likeneses of Alexander accurate? if so what about his curls and lips?

In 164-3 Ptolemais participated in the general hostility of the Syrian Greeks against the Jews ( 1 Macc. 5:15). Simon the Maccabee routed the Greeks up to its gates (ib. 22 ; Jos. Ant. 12:8:1, 12:8:2, 12:8:6). In 153 Alexander Balas took it from his rival Demetrius (1 Macc. 10:1 ; Ant. 13:2:1).

While it was in Alexander's hands Demetrius cleverly bribed the Jews by assigning it and its lands to the Jews 'for the expenses that befit the Sanctuary at Jerusalem' (1 Macc. 10:39). When Alexander defeated Demetrius he married Ptolemy s daughter at Ptolemais in 151- 150, and Jonathan the Maccabee met the two kings there and was greatly honoured by them (ib. 48-66 ; Ant. 13:41:69). It was at Ptolemais also that Jonathan in 143 by treachery fell into Trypho's hands (1 Macc. 12:45+ ; Jos. Ant. 13:6:2, BJ 1:2:1).

In 104 Alexander Jannaeus besieged Ptolemais (Ant. 13:12:2), but raised the siege out of fear of Ptolemy Lathurus (ib. 13:12:3), who in turn besieged (ib. 13:12:4) and took the town (ib. 13:12:6) ; which, however, soon after fell into the hands of Queen Cleopatra of Egypt, his mother (Ant. 13:18:12). Soon after 70 it was taken by Tigranes of Armenia (ib. 13:16:4), and relinquished by him under fear of the Romans. The Ptolemaitans received Pacorus of Parthia (BJ 1:13:i).

Thomasena, were there coins minted near the time of his rule? I've seen the pictures of them Christina linked to but don't remember seeing any dates of their manufacture.

Adam, some of them were from coins minted during his life time and others were sculptures. All of the pictures I have seen he had curls.
When I was in Greece, the displays that I saw, all of the ancients had lips and curls. The statue of the Charioteer's hair was the straightest. His bangs had curls.
He did not have llips either. Even the paintings showed him with lips and curls. The statue of Zeus and Athena had curls and lips.
Another thing, the people I saw on the street were not white and had extremely curly hair, head and body. If you look at the ancients in Rome, they look whiter than the Greeks.

Thomasena, here's one link, #9905 is one depiction as Ammon.

http://www.museumsurplus.com/AlexanderCoin...

Most of them seem to be of various deities, so are they really his likeness or taken from others?

I'll catch up on reading tonight...
Hello Everyone....

@ Everyone

I've just lost a $5 bet to one of my colleagues. I confess....I bet that none of you would have the stamina and fortiude to stay and follow and unfortunately .....YOURE ALL STILL HERE !!!! LOL!!!
He of course did a personality profile on each of you (just from reading your comments) and his conclusion is that you are all "starved genuises" who have simply been denied facts.
Therfore I am obligated to see this through to it's logical conclusion. My suggestion? Dig deep, stick around and get it while you can.
But I will say, there are two other colleagues of mine who feel as I do. That you will not stay the course. One of the debilitating deficits engendered by design is lack of abstract fortutude ie. the ability to think about what youre reading, see it in your minds eye, and appreciate all of it's implications. In other words critical thought is not a requiste faculty required of us on a regular basis....therefore when it is required of us...we are usally at a loss. I've never been more pleased to lose a bet (smile). Please continue to prove me wrong by the mainstay of your presence. I will get you to ground zero as quickly as i possibly can but I must prepare your minds as we go. Everything that I tell you and show you will be verifiable at a moments notice with a click of your mouse. You need not take my word for ANYTHING. Unlike the Spiritual parasites amongst us i do not require you to BELIEVE anyhing. Freshman get tired of being freshman, eventually they strive for sophmore. Likewise, 'believers', if they have a modicum of God given intelligence want to move from a state of 'believeing' to one of 'knowing'. You can't be children forever. It was never meant to be that way though others have tried to make it so.
I envy you all as I was not as fortunate to get it this way. There was much expense and sacrifice. Now we continue: This is the most important name you will ever learn (as my colleagues say...I say that all the time, but it is true. If I say that about a name....you can take it to the bank or your pastor, makes no difference to me, the fact remains that that name has impacted your life in ways you couldn't begin to imagine). We've mastered the relevant aspects of Alexander as it relates to his relationship, purposes and outcome as regards Ancinet Egypt, the land of the Black people. We have established that it was there in Ancient Egypt where the Greeks came in an effort to wrestle civilization away from the Africans of Egypt, with Alexander seeking the most efective way to bring this about; BY CHANGING THE IMAGE OF GOD IN THE EYES OF THE BLACK PEOPLE OF ANCIENT EGYPT BY INSERTING HIS OWN IMAGE INTO THEIR PANTHEON, THE IMAGE OF A WHITE SAVAGE WHO HAD ONLY JUST PREVIOUSLY STOPPED WORSHIPPING FIRE AND DRINKING THE BLOOD OF THEIR ENEMIES FROM THEIR HELMUT'S IN TIMES OF WAR.
LestI remind you:


"In Napoleon's day historians knew almost nothing about Egypt--past or present. It was a land the world had all but forgotten. and yet once, long before the birth of Christ, EGPYT had been the most famous and POWERFUL COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.
At a time in history when the ancestors of western man STILL LIVED AS SEMI-SAVAGES IN THE DENSE FORESTS OF ENGLAND AND EUROPE, a great civilization had existed along the banks of the river Nile."


Elizabeth Payne,
The Pharoahs of Ancient Egypt


"After the Greeks (and thus the Romans) were CIVILIZED BY THE AFRICANS IN EGYPT most of what we now know as 'Europe' was still barbaric, and unheard of.
There was really NO EUROPE in ancient times......and Europe as we know it was divided by the Rhine-Danube frontier, south and west of which lay the civilized provinces of the empire, and north and east the ''BARBARIANS' of whom the civilized world KNEW ALMOST NOTHING"

A HISTORY OF THE MODERN WORLD
R.R. Palmer (Prof. Yale University)
and Joel Colton (Prof. of History at Duke University)

I FORBID YOU TO FORGET THIS NAME...EVERYTHING ELSE DEPENDS ON IT:


PTOLEMY I. SOTER (LAGI)



This is the man who DESTROYED you black people. This is the man who removed you from your pedestal of world adulation. This is the man who succeded where Alexander failed. This is the man responsible for your black children not knowing who they are. Before we go on, ASK YOURSELVES WHY YOU WERE NOT TAUGHT ABOUT HIM. They taught you about Columbus and Jesus didnt they? They taught you about Washington and Lincoln didnt they. You now recieve high tech slave education and think you are being taught something of true value? If it is true that there is no greater service one can render than telling someone the truth then it is equally true by the very nature of the equation that there is no greater evil than intellectually incarcerating the mind of whole planet in falshood out of expediency. Ignorance is a disease of the mind and I can assure you it is highly contagious. In point of fact our communities (families, housholds, religious institutions etc) suffer from a pandemic of it. This is the source of all of your ills; not the economics of money but the economics of IDENTITY in which we go from the cradle to the grave clutching a deficit not of or own making (at least not in it's entirety). There were traitors amongst us in Ancient Egypt. If you do not know their story please for Gods sake and for your childrens sake stop pretending you know something about Christianity when in fact....you know absolutely nothing whatsoever. It is not your fault....it was designed that way. Now I teach you how to fight back and reclaim your minds....and your Souls. They are yours given to you by your creatress/creator never to be given to anyone else. And you wonder how you are used as an entire people to serve the interest of others? Are you serious? I am a hard task master because ignorance is stubborn and will seek it's place in our presence....but I will have it blocked at a moments notice with no second warning. Capish'? Capish (smile). You must learn to be as dogmatic as concerns Truth and Knowledge, as they are as concerns their 'Beliefs' and 'Truths' proven to be definitively Falsehoods.

PTOLEMY I. SOTER (LAGI) Look him up...learn everything you can about him....it is he who is your eternal tormentor. He is your Freddy, your Jason, your Hitler (Spiritually and otherwise). He is the 'Father' of all of your unwitting 'Negro pastors' who suffer from 'callings' in the cotton patch 'believing' they are hearing the voice of God in the person of Jesus when in fact IT IS THE VOICE OF PTOLEMY I. SOTER (LAGI). Learn of him. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemy_I_Sot...

What About Ptolemy concerns us?


1. His title 'Soter' means 'SAVIOUR'.

a. Who can give me the definition of 'Soteriology'?

I'll wait.

'Soteriology'; is the study of religious doctrines of salvation, which are a feature of various religion

Now put your thinking caps on.....excellent David


SOTERiology |səˌti(ə)rēˈäləjē|
noun Theology
THE DOCTRINE OF SALVATION.

DERIVATIVES
soteriological |-ēəˈläjikəl| adjective
ORIGIN mid 19th cent.: from Greek sōtēria ‘salvation’ + -logy .


New Oxford American Dictionary

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Here let e help:

PTOLEMY I. SOTER

SOTERiology |səˌti(ə)rēˈäləjē|
noun Theology
THE DOCTRINE OF SALVATION.

DERIVATIVES
soteriological |-ēəˈläjikəl| adjective
ORIGIN mid 19th cent.: from Greek sōtēria ‘salvation’ + -logy .


New Oxford American Dictionary

i dont get it

Definition:
theology of salvation: the doctrine of salvation, especially the Christian doctrine of salvation through Jesus Christ

The same word the early Christians used for the sign of the fish, ichthus.
Jesus Christ Son of God Savior
iasous christos theou huios soter (transliterated)

well dam adam i hope your right lol there is something in soter sōtēria ‘salvation’ + -logy . i cnt get it

I believe Christine wants us to focus on the word itself, as used in reference to Ptolemy I Soter.

I could have been more explicit in my explanation. Here is from Wikipedia.

Ichthys (more commonly spelt Ichthus, or sometimes Ikhthus, from Greek: ἰχθύς, capitalized ΙΧΘΥΣ or ΙΧΘΥC) is the ancient and classical Greek word for "fish". In English it refers to a symbol consisting of two intersecting arcs, the ends of the right side extending beyond the meeting point so as to resemble the profile of a fish, used by Early Christians as a secret symbol[1] and now known colloquially as the "sign of the fish" or the "Jesus fish."[2]

Ichthys can be read as an acrostic, a word formed from the first letters of several words. It compiles to "Jesus Christ, God's son, savior," in ancient Greek "Ἰησοῦς Χριστός, Θεοῦ Υἱός, Σωτήρ", Iēsous Christos, Theou Huios, Sōtēr.

* Iota (i) is the first letter of Iēsous (Ἰησοῦς), Greek for "Jesus".
* Chi (ch) is the first letter of Christos (Χριστός), Greek for "anointed".
* Theta (th) is the first letter of Theou (Θεοῦ), Greek for "God's", the genitive case of Θεóς, Theos, Greek for "God".
* Upsilon (u) is the first letter of huios (Υἱός), Greek for "Son".
* Sigma (s) is the first letter of sōtēr (Σωτήρ), Greek for "Savior".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichthys

Ptolemy I Soter
Jesus Christ Soter

interesting Steve/Adam/??

"Jesus Christ, God's son, savior," in ancient Greek "Ἰησοῦς Χριστός, Θεοῦ Υἱός, Σωτήρ", Iēsous Christos, Theou Huios, Sōtēr."



Only problem here is Ptolemy as 'SAVIOUR' lived almost 400 years before the common era (C.E) and almost a thousand years before the beginning of Chritianity (Christianity officially begins 1 November, 451 AD, at the close of the ecumenical Council of Chalcedon, a city of Bithynia and nowhere on earth before that date....though the term itself is incarnated further back into time in lietrature by Christian apologists, much the way Jews do the same thing) ..whilst the term 'SOTER' ie. 'SAVIOR' was applied to him ,PTOLEMY I. SOTER, in HISTORY, whereas the term is applied to 'Jesus' in RELIGIOUS TRADITION ONLY; almost a THOUSAND YEARS before the term is finally applied to the fictitous 'Jesus'. If Jesus was the Son of God...why would he need a 'hand me down' title such as 'Iēsous Christos, Theou Huios, Sōtēr'?


This is what we are here to uncover. Let us start with Soter and examine why and how he came to be known as Savior. Miss this part....and you miss it all.

'SAVIOUR' 'SAVIOUR' 'SAVIOUR' 'SAVIOUR' 'SAVIOUR' 'SAVIOUR' 'SAVIOUR' 'SAVIOUR' 'SAVIOUR'

Alexander failed...Soter (the SAVIOUR) .....SUCCEEDED. Before we continue who can tell me what Alexander's goal was when he came to Egypt? We discussed it at length above. I want to know who's paying attention. Students without formiddable memories are not 'students' they are individuals gawking at words on a page. Now....What was Alexander's goal when he arrived in Egypt Who did he seek out and for what purpose? As I said ...we all ready discussed it...at length.

SAVIOUR' 'SAVIOUR' 'SAVIOUR' 'SAVIOUR' 'SAVIOUR' 'SAVIOUR' 'SAVIOUR' 'SAVIOUR' 'SAVIOUR' .....Yes David...now we will discuss the implications of the fact that that title belonged to an actual human being who lived as reflected by the historical record as opposed to the 'ficticious...incarnated' Biblical character .....Jesus the Christ. There is a contradistinction being made here. One of these individuals actually lived whereas the other can be found ONLY IN RELIGIOUS TRADITION, NOT HISTORY. During the dumbing down process of the last 30- 25 years religious conservatives on the right who often participate in prescribing the content of academic curricula have successfully sought to insert 'RELIGIOUS TRADITION' into 'HISTORICAL TEXTS' so as to blur the line between the two. it is a subtle form of mind control. If you open up a history book and find Jesus in there you will take it as a foregone conclusion that he existed....why not? He's in the history books correct? Years ago you would never have found 'Jesus' in a history book because it was understood that that part of the article of faith of Christianity was not only whether or not Jesus was God (or the 'Son of') but whether or not he existed AT ALL. What conservative white Christians on the right have done is they have discarded this particular article of 'FAITH' so that unsuspecting minds would take his historical existence as aforegone conclusion.....which it cannot be once the facts are brought to bear. Hence...the facts are made 'not part of the curriculum' so you and your progeny are left dumb, deaf, blind and out of the loop....ie. a 'believer'. You must 'believe' ....because you don't 'know' sh*t. Period. We are here to return that part of your brain which was excised in a political lobotomies administered in Churches 1st and schools 2ndly...why? Because that is how we are indoctrinated .....from childhood. Let the most uneducated person in the room (ie. the Pastor) answer all of the big questions about life, the existential stuff like "Who are we? How did we get here? Who made all this? So that by the time you make it to head start or nursery school those parts of the brain that cannot relinquish what they retain at such an early age are hooked, 'book line and stinker' on stories they know absolutely nothing about. Welcome to your life. And you thought the 'Matrix' was just a movie...what a joke.

Ptolemy I 'Soter' is in our sights....do not let him out. I am about to tell you what this savage, mutated, crackkah did to our people, and you are then going to find out why your minds are so messed up. After I eat (smile). All of you Pastors, Apostles, Bishops, and Prophetesses who are reading this.....Smile. Party's over. Mommies home.

Well Pausanias says Soter came from the fact that Ptolemy sent aid to Rhodes around 305-304. But I have found at least one dispute of that, given that Pausanias was writing 400 years after the fact. Still looking.

As to what did Ptolemy do that was the same thing Alexander tried to do, I am currently here:

Serapis (Latin spelling) or Sarapis (Ancient Greek: Σάραπις) was a syncretic Hellenistic-Egyptian god in Antiquity. His most renowned temple was the Serapeum of Alexandria.[1] Under Ptolemy Soter, efforts were made to integrate Egyptian religion with that of their Hellenic rulers. Ptolemy's policy was to find a deity that should win the reverence alike of both groups, despite the curses of the Egyptian priests against the gods of the previous foreign rulers (i.e Set who was lauded by the Hyksos). Alexander the Great had attempted to use Amen for this purpose, but he was more prominent in Upper Egypt, and not as popular with those in Lower Egypt, where the Greeks had stronger influence. The Greeks had little respect for animal-headed figures, and so a Greek-style anthromorphic statue was chosen as the idol, and proclaimed as the equivalent of the highly popular Apis.[2] It was named Aser-hapi (i.e. Osiris-Apis), which became Serapis, and was said to be Osiris in full, rather than just his Ka (life force).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serapis

Pausanias

[1.8.6] Before the entrance of the theater which they call the Odeum (Music Hall) are statues of Egyptian kings. They are all alike called Ptolemy, but each has his own surname. For they call one Philometor, and another Philadelphus, while the son of Lagus is called Soter, a name given him by the Rhodians. Of these, Philadelphus is he whom I have mentioned before among the eponymoi, and near him is a statue of his sister Arsinoe.

Diodorus Siculus, Book 20

100 In this way, then, the Rhodians, after they had been besieged for a year, brought the war to an end. Those who had proved themselves brave men in the battles they honoured with the prizes that were their due, and they granted freedom and citizenship to such slaves as had shown themselves courageous. 2 They also set up statues of King Cassander and King Lysimachus, who though they held second place in general opinion, yet had made great contributions to the salvation of the city. 3 In the case of Ptolemy, since they wanted to surpass his record by repaying his kindness with a greater one, they sent a sacred mission into Libya to ask the oracle at ammon if it advised the Rhodians to honour Ptolemy as a god. 4 Since the oracle approved, they dedicated in the city a square precinct, building on each of its sides a portico a stade long, and this they called the Ptolemaeum. They also rebuilt the theatre, the fallen portions of the walls, and the buildings that had been destroyed in the other quarters in a manner more beautiful than before.

Adam....youre good (smile). A level of responsibility rarely shown in savages. Your apparent lack of ego is also a weapon many would do well to emulate. You are here for the answers irrespective of how I address you. You should have stormed off in resentment and anger by now as lesser minds would have ie the Christians and the Muslims amongst my people, those who's minds are most conaminated by the poison of your distant Ancestors. You may be quite surprised that I have white friends who are dear to me, yet I speak no differently in their presence. Out of their respect and love for me, we are now and always...friends. Just thought I would share that with you. Adam...never befriend a Black person who only tells you only what you want to hear, they have either no self respect as an African, or they are out to get you by deceit, an act for which I would not blame them as I completely condone such duplicitous behaviour as we have been the recipients of it for two milliennia. Touche', youre continued presence has EARNED your place here. Saint Jake would do well to observe such tenacity. he will...in time.

Adam...you are unblocked from my page.

When my mealis done....at 1 Am I will elucidate on what you have just posited Adam...I highly suggest everyone read what Adam posted. Particularly:



"Serapis (Latin spelling) or Sarapis (Ancient Greek: Σάραπις) was a syncretic Hellenistic-Egyptian god in Antiquity. His most renowned temple was the Serapeum of Alexandria.[1] Under Ptolemy Soter, efforts were made to integrate Egyptian religion with that of their Hellenic rulers. Ptolemy's policy was to find a deity that should win the reverence alike of both groups, despite the curses of the Egyptian priests against the gods of the previous foreign rulers (i.e Set who was lauded by the Hyksos). Alexander the Great had attempted to use Amen for this purpose, but he was more prominent in Upper Egypt, and not as popular with those in Lower Egypt, where the Greeks had stronger influence. The Greeks had little respect for animal-headed figures, and so a Greek-style anthromorphic statue was chosen as the idol, and proclaimed as the equivalent of the highly popular Apis.[2] It was named Aser-hapi (i.e. Osiris-Apis), which became Serapis, and was said to be Osiris in full, rather than just his Ka (life force)."


I gues you folks really don't know what kind of 'Spiritual toys' youre playing with every Sunday in church. Read the above quote posted by Adam....until you inderstand it. See you at 1Am. You get the beginning of the 'meat'.

Soter
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Soter derives from the Greek epithet σωτήρ (sōtēr), meaning a saviour, a deliverer; initial capitalised Σωτήρ; fully capitalised ΣΩΤΗΡ; feminine Soteira (Σώτειρα). Soter has been used as:
as a title of Gods: Poseidon Soter, Zeus Soter, Athena Soteira and Hecate Soteira.
any heroized leaders of Hellenistic dynasties, see hero cult:
Ptolemy I Soter
Antiochus I Soter
Demetrius I Soter
Rabbel II Soter
Attalus I
Seleucus III Ceraunus
Ptolemy IX
Diodotus I
Strato II
Strato I
Menander I
as a title of liberators (see also eleutherios)
a title of Jesus of Nazareth, most particularly in the fish acronym
Saint Soter, Pope and Martyr
[edit]Soter as a distinct mythological figure

Greek name Transliteration Latin Spelling Translation
Σωτήρ Sôtêr Soter Deliverance, Safety, Preservation
In Greek mythology, Soter was the spirit (daimon) of safety, preservation and deliverance from harm[1]. He was said to be the brother and husband of Praxidike and by her the father of Ktesios, Arete and Homonoia[2]. (Note that both Soter and Ktesios were also cult titles of Zeus). Another source says that Soter was the husband of Peitharchia and father of Eupraxia.[3]
In the Orphic Hymns[4] Praxidike was identified with Persephone, Soter with Zeus, and their daughters Praxidikai with the Erinyes.
Soteria (Σωτηρία), personification of the abstract concept of safety and salvation, was also worshipped by the Greeks. She had a sanctuary in Patrae, which was believed to have been founded by Eurypylos of Thessaly[5].
[edit]See also

Hellenistic religion
Soteria (festival)
Soteriology, the study of salvation; in Christian contexts, the branch of Christology dealing with Jesus' capacity as Saviour of humankind
[edit]References

^ Theoi Project - Soter
^ Suidas s. v. Praxidike
^ Aeschylus, Seven Against Thebes 223 ff
^ Orphic Hymn 29 to Persephone
^ Pausanias, Description of Greece, 7. 19. 7; 7. 21. 7; 7. 24. 3

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Notice the part where it says "a title of Jesus of Nazareth"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soter


Ask your Pastors if they still refer to him as SOTER and when the idiot doesnt answer (because he can't)....ask him which SOTER because you've all been duey eyed over just one of them (.....SOTER ***"a title of Jesus of Nazareth"').

This is the most important thing you've read thus far....if you want to understand how your religion came into being:

"Under Ptolemy Soter, efforts were made to integrate Egyptian religion with that of their Hellenic rulers. Ptolemy's policy was to find a deity that should win the reverence alike of both groups, despite the curses of the Egyptian priests against the gods of the previous foreign rulers (i.e Set who was lauded by the Hyksos). Alexander the Great had attempted to use Amen for this purpose, but he was more prominent in Upper Egypt, and not as popular with those in Lower Egypt, where the Greeks had stronger influence. The Greeks had little respect for animal-headed figures, and so a Greek-style anthromorphic statue was chosen as the idol, and proclaimed as the equivalent of the highly popular Apis.[2] It was named Aser-hapi (i.e. Osiris-Apis), which became Serapis, and was said to be Osiris in full, rather than just his Ka (life force)."

This is how you remain un-educated with respect to the historical record. They tell you 'WHAT' happened and 'WHY'.....they don't tell you 'HOW' it happened. That's what I'm here for and that's what you need to know.

***************************************************

To accomplish his goals, Ptolemy I SOTER (SAVIOR), a white savage, as was his predecessor Alexander of Macedon, requested of the Ancient Egyptian Priesthood (your African Ancestors) that they:

1.confer upon him the highest office of the land (Ancient Egypt, Africa), the office of Pharaoh (Just as the white savage Alexander had requested), and....

2.That they MAKE OF HIS IMAGE A GOD. Look upon his face, the face of the one called 'SAVIOUR', the one attributed with having the power to RESURRECT ALL who believed upon him, this white savage....look at his face: http://urlm.in/fzuk


HOW THEY DID IT:

Ptolemy I. SOTER ('SAVIOUR') was rejected by the main body of the Ancient Egyptian Priesthood (your African Ancestors). They only chose from amongst their own African kind as under normal circumstances the office of Pharaoh was an hereditary office and bloodline needed to be acknowledged. Neither Alexander nor Ptolemy I SOTER were Aficans therefore their blood did not qualify, they were white savages in the eyes of the Ancient Egyptians (your African Ancestors). Any one of your Black sons could have qualified for that office simply based on the fact that they are Black. Even some of your daughters if they were found to be exceptional could occupy the office of Pharaoh as a number did as is reflected in the historical record (Hatshepsut and Twosret being just two of them.....look em up. You don't have to 'believe' in them, these black women who ruled as the 'Sa Ra' ie. 'The Son of God' on earth actually EXISTED, thousands of years before the Greeks and the Romans tried to co-opt and plagiarize this aspect of African history, Black culture and civilization. IT'S IN THE HISTORICAL RECORD, LOOK UP THEIR NAMES!!! Your daughters know who Beyonce is , who Janet Jackson is ...they even know who Michelle Obama is....yet all three of these women combined, Oprah included....WERE NOT AS POWERFUL AS THESE BLACK AFRIKAN WOMAN....WHO RULED ON THIS PLANET AS PHARAOHS, SUPREME RULERS OF THE THEN KNOWN WORLD, AND THEY RULED AS THE SA'RA (ie. 'THE SON OF GOD') THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE 'JESUS' WAS EVEN A THOUGHT IN THE MINDS OF THOSE WHO MANUFACTURED HIM. WHY HAVE YOU NOT TAUGHT YOUR DAUGHTERS OF THESE BLACK WOMEN? BECAUE YOU HAVE NEGLECTED YOUR ANCESTORS AND HAVE BEEN INDOCTRINATED INTO WORSHIPPING THE FICTICIOUS ANCESTORS OF OTHERS).
The white savage Ptolemy I SOTER was successful at finding some disaffected Priests from amongst the priesthood and they aquiesced to his request by going into the Ancient Egyptian pantheon of dieties and they chose two aspects of the Ancient Egyptian expression of God most dearest to the native population (the indigenous black people of Ancient Egypt). The history books give you a false reason for Ptolemy wanting to have his IMAGE made into a God. The true reason was RACISM....WHITE SUPREMACY. This is the only thing the Greeks brought with them to Africa. The Greek inhabitants who flooded Ancient Egypt along with Alexander's arrival loved everything Egyptian EXCEPT FOR THE EGYPTIANS!!! Not because the egyptians were Black, but because they the Greeks were mostly halfbreeds, mullattos and whites and by the very miscegenation of their blood they were from the outset disenfranchised from ever legitimately being ....an Ancient Egyptian (the status quo ofthe time culturally speaking). Many of the half breeds amongst the Greek population were partially related to the inhabitants of Ancient Egypt as it was the black side of their Nile Valley Ancestry that actually founded much of Greece in the first place. Hence their feelings towards a people they felt 'outcasted' from was no less resentful from their more Northern white Macedonian cousins with whom together they both comprised the populace of Greece. Pay atention geniuses:



"....authorities give the name 'Cecrops' to the Pharoah who is supposed to have been the first to lead a colony from Egypt to Greece..."

"In Jeromes reading of the Armenian Chronicle, it is said of this Pharoah Thothmes IV., that after he had reigned five years in Egypt, he was driven from the throne by his brother 'Egyptus' and fled to Greece, where he founded the city of Argos, and reigned over the Argives under the name of Danaus.

Cory's 'Ancient Fragments' p. 119





"The Greek legends are illuminated by a particularly bright light when projected against the chronological table of Egyptian history. Indeed, the XVIIIth Dynasty was contemporaneous with Mycenaen Greece; even ATHENS WAS FOUNDED BY A COLONY OF BLACK EGYPTIANS led by Cecrops, who INTRODUCED agriculture and metellurgy to CONTINENTAL GREECE around the sixteenth century B.C., according to Greek Tradition itself."



CIVILIZATION OR BARBARISM:
AN AUTHENTIC ANTHROPOLOGY (Chapt.1, p.92, para.4)




"Erechtheus, who unified Attica, also came from Egypt, according to Diodorus of Sicily, while the Egyptian Danaus founded at Argos THE FIRST ROYAL DYNASTY IN GREECE. It was the same time that the Phoenician Cadmus, an Egyptian subject founded the city of Thebes in Boetia and the royalty of that country. Finally, Orpheus, the mythic ancestor of the Hellenic race , became initiated into the Egyptian mysteries, during the same Mycenaean epoch. Therefore no wonder that on the Mycenaean tablets in Linear B, one should read the name of Dionysus in the genitive: Dionysus as we know, is none other than a replica of Osiris in Greece and the northern Mediterranean in general. thus his arrival, in other words the introduction of Egyptian religion in Greece, is much more Ancient than Herodotus believed it to be.; so many underscore the preponderance of Egyptian influence at the birth of the Greek world, the ages of heroes."


CIVILIZATION OR BARBARISM:
AN AUTHENTIC ANTHROPOLOGY (Chapt.1, p.92, para.5)



"Although the Greeks held the EGYPTIAN CULTURE in reverence, and were FASCINATED by the 'sacred mysteries' and 'DIVINE ORACLES' of the 'LAND OF WONDERS', THEY NEVERTHELESS HELD THE EGYPTIANS IN CONTEMPT. PAPYRI FOUND PRINTED IN THE ANCIENT EGYPTIAN PHONETIC ALPHABET SUITED TO THE GREEK LANGUAGE (erroneously called 'Greek') clearly reflect a DISDAIN FOR THE EGYPTIANS."


I posted these passages to give you all an idea of the general attitudes of the times. The Greeks were jealous and envious of the Blacks in Ancient Egypt and the blacks of Ancient Egypt hated the mostly white savage occupiers of their land in Mother Africa. Your problem people is that you don't know your own story.....but you're obsessed with fairytales furnished you by the descendants of savages. I'm going to teach you but I'm going to admonish you at the same time, because you deserve to be.



Here comes a kicker:


The reason the white savage Ptolemy I Soter wanted to have HIS IMAGE made into a God was because the black natives of Ancient Egypt were Africans no different from black Africans in any other part of the continent TODAY. Therefore the basis of their 'religion' was Ancestralism...therefore God had to be represented, in their black minds as the greatest of their BLACK ANCESTORS. And he was presented that way . God, to the indigenous black African masses of Ancient Egypt (your Ancestors), was known in their own African tongue as 'ASARU' (ie. 'AUSAR' later to be called 'OSIRIS' by the white savage Greeks). Because GOD OSIRIS was considered by the Black people of Ancient Egypt to be the greatest of their ANCESTORS it was only natural that he LOOK LIKE THEM IN APPEARANCE, therefore unlike you 'identity- lobotomized' Jesus Victims, your Ancestors back in Africa, in Ancient Egypt, worshipped God in the Image of themselves....as a BLACK MAN, as their Ancestors were of course....BLACK PEOPLE, WHO LOOKED NOT UNLIKE YOURSELVES.
Oh...ok...you want PROOF right? Okie dokie (smile). Proof is what I do:



"Egypt B.C.E. 1350...Osiris was sun-rayed; HIS COMPLEXION WAS BLACK AND HIS HAIR WAS WOOLY. He was included in a slaughter of the innocents ordered by Typhon from which he, of course, escaped. His legitimacy was proved by numerous miracles;some of his doctrines appear in the THE BOOK OF THE DEAD;..he was crucified on the vernal equinox; he descended to hell where he remained three days and nights to judge the dead and rose again and ascended bodily to heaven"


CAMBRIDGE ENCYCLOPEDIA pp.107-108







"Osiris was beautiful of face, but with a dull and BLACK complexion;"


Dictionary of the Sacred Languages of All Scriptures and Myths, Part 2 (publ. 1926)

By G. A. Gaskell
Bryant and Stratton Business College (President)
Manchester,N. H.,




"There can be no doubt that the Colchians are an Egyptian race...MY OWN conjectures were founded first in the FACT that they are BLACK SKINNED and have WOOLY HAIR...."


Herodotus Book 2 Chap.104 (450BCE)






"The English and African attitudes to history are DIFFERENT. The English man is not interested in history; he prefers to forget it, to let bygones be bygones and to let sleeping dogs lie. BUT THE AFRICAN TAKES HIS HISTORY VERY SERIOUSLY; even more seriously than the Irishman. HE MUST, BECAUSE AN IMPORTANT PART OF HIS RELIGION IS THE CULT OF HIS ANCESTRAL SPIRITS - something more than reverence, perhaps not quite as much as worship."

'My Africa'
W.E. Ward (After living among the people of the Gold Coast and learning their ways for 16 years)







God Osiris....the Ancestral God of your Black Ancestors in Ancient Egypt 1.
http://pavementsofsilver.files.wordpress.c...

God Osiris....the Ancestral God of your Black Ancestors in Ancient Egypt 2
http://heritage-key.com/egypt/wooden-statu...





Now do you understand why the white savage Ptolemy I SOTER (SAVIOUR) had to change THE IMAGE OF GOD TO THAT OF A WHITE SAVAGE?


The Egyptians rejected them .....detested these white savages. Black people make me laugh considerably when they say "some militant black leader is trying to start a race war". They are idiots of a rare breed. ATTENTION BLACK PEOPLE!!! NOW HEAR THIS!!!! YOU HAVE BEEN IN A RACE WAR FOR WELL OVER TWO THOUSAND YEARS!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY KNOWS IT BUT YOUR DUMB ASS. IT STARTED IN ANCIENT EGYPT AND IT CONTINUES UNABATED TO THIS VERY MOMENT (fyi, just thought you should know...smile):

"With their country occupied and the forced influx of hated foreigners, the very proud Egyptians naturally rejected the Greeks and their cronies. There was an anti Greek feeling among the Egyptians. There is evidence that they rebelled frequently, resentful of the fact that they were treated as a conquered people. PROPHETIC WRITINGS WERE WIDELY CIRCULATED AMONGST THE EGYPTIANS, PROMISING THE EXPULSION OF THE FOREIGNERS. MANY EGYPTIANS LEFT FOR SAFER GROUNDS FURTHER SOUTH. Even though many records have been destroyed and / or were one-sided Greek propaganda, some indication of the rejection still survive. This depopulation and arms struggle are confirmed in different sources, including the writings of Strabo and others."


The preservation of the native Egyptian traditions of kingship by the NATIVE EGYPTIANS was expressed in a very lively Demotic literary tradition that was pervasive OUTSIDE ALEXANDRIA. The most well known was the DEMOTIC CHRONICLE, which was composed,compiled and circulated since the early Ptolemaic period. It was a popular 'nationalist' piece of literature, containing romantic tales of EARLIER PHARAOHS, which CLEARLY emphasizes the PRE-PTOLEMAIC NATIVE TRADITION.



Yes black people ...you had newspapers in Ancient Egypt "The most well known was the DEMOTIC CHRONICLE, which was composed,compiled and circulated since the early Ptolemaic period." Though these particular Chronicles spoke to the previous Persian rule just prior to the Greeks it still speaks to the Black African Natives of Ancient Egypt fighting desperately for the land, their history, and their African culture and IDENTITY!!! Ancient Egypt was the FIRST SOUTH AFRICA, the first Palestine.....inhabitants of their homelands fighting off settlers, invaders, white savages....no different from the Native American. You mental midgets have been sold a bill of goods and are being sold a bill of goods in church every Sunday and on Easter every year with Jewish Hollywood inundating you with Charlton Heston and the '10 Commandments' (I can't talk...that was my favorite movie as a child....what do you think got me interested in all this in the first place....lol!!!). Imagine my surprise when I started studying the ancient world seriously and found out it was .....JUST A MOVIE. Picture that...Hollywood told a story that wasn't true...now they wouldn't do that...would they? Now they wouldn't do that....really? OF COURSE THEY WOULD...THAT'S WHAT THEY DO GENIUSES!!!




"THE KINDEST RACE of the ancient world WAS THAT OF THE EGYPTIANS; and if we direct our course to the Nile Valley of 3 or 4000 yrs ago,we shall find CONDITIONS THERE SO HUMANE that instances of Pharaonic cruelty such as we have been shown in some recent film dramas will be seen at once to reflect THE MENTALITY OF THE PRODUCER AND NOT THAT OF THE PEOPLE he thought to portray...the Egyptians WERE SELDOM CONCIOUSLY CRUEL; they DID NOT GRIND MEN TO PULP UNDER THE WHEELS OF THEIR JUGGERNAUGHTS, they DID NOT lash their laboring serfs, they DID NOT torture people,they DID NOT calously inflict death upon anybody-in fact THEY NEVER DID ANY OF THE THINGS of this sort which the film producers are at such pains to present to us."


Sir Arthur Weigall (English Egyptologist)
FLIGHTS INTO ANTIQUITY - p.58
Hutchinson&Co., London, 1928


When someone sets out to malign your Ancestors....ask why?




"It was not so long ago, however, that the combined influence of the Bible and Classical tradition CONSPIRED to produce a rather incoherent view of Egyptian civilization..."

'Histoire de l'Egyptye ancienne (A History of Ancient Egypt), translation by Ian Shaw, 1992



Ptolemy I. Soter needed an alibi in history. The historians told you that he needed to make a new God because the Greeks didn't like to worship animal headed figures:"Nevertheless, the Greeks had little respect for animal-headed figures, and so a Greek statue was chosen as the idol".

That is what is known as an historical Alibi. The Greeks envied the Ancient Egyptians for being black, and their egos (as well as the ego of their savage white leader Ptolemy I SOTER) would not let them worship God in the image of a BLACK MAN (ie. Osiris = "Egypt B.C.E. 1350...Osiris was sun-rayed; HIS COMPLEXION WAS BLACK AND HIS HAIR WAS WOOLY. He was included in a slaughter of the innocents ordered by Typhon from which he, of course, escaped. His legitimacy was proved by numerous miracles;some of his doctrines appear in the THE BOOK OF THE DEAD;..he was crucified on the vernal equinox; he descended to hell where he remained three days and nights to judge the dead and rose again and ascended bodily to heaven"


CAMBRIDGE ENCYCLOPEDIA pp.107-108),

so they made the Blacks instead worship the image of a white savage.....Ptolemy I. SOTER, in the form of Serapis: " a Greek-style anthromorphic statue was chosen as the idol, and proclaimed as the equivalent of the highly popular Apis. It was named 'Aser-hapi' (i.e. Osiris-Apis), which became Serapis, and was said to be Osiris in full, rather than just his Ka (life force)." Now for the first time in over 5000 YEARS the BLACK GOD OSIRIS WAS NOW A WHITE MAN.



The disloyal African Ancient Egyptian priests sympathetic to their own survival capitulated to Soter's wishes and took from the Native pantheon of Egyptian dieties (the divine triad of Isis the Mother, Osiris the Father, and Horus the child ie. the Black family, this was the first holy trinity), those two aspects of the one personage of God most revered by the black masses of Ancient Egypt....'God Osiris' and his other expression as the 'Apis Bull' (both strong ancient symbols of RESURRECTION in the minds, hearts and Souls of your Ancient Egyptian Ancestors, as it was they who introduced the concept of 'resurrection' to humanity) ....and syncretized these two aspects of Osiris' nature and incarnated into the world one Asar-Apis, a new deity comprised of two very ancient aspects of the most ancient and revered God in Ancient Egypt (in Africa) and that was ....God Osiris, clothed now for the first time as a Statue in the image and form of 'Ser-apis', ie. the savage white
Despotic Ptolemaic successor to Alexander of Macedon....Ptolemy I. SOTER.


Next up: BEEF BETWEEN THE PRIESTS.

Boy it sure got quiet in here. Thought y'all wanted to know what brought Christianity and the Bible into being. Well guess what? All of this HISTORY you need to know so that when we get to the items you are familiar with EVERYTHINHG will make sense. You see, you had to know all of this history to understand the one thing that never lies.....MOTIVE.

i just got in i will be back im sure people are trying to take this in

I just got on too, had to catch up on some sleep.

Christine,

I'm still reading what you gave us last night, but that link to the image of Serapis blew me away. I just had to repost the explanation I found under the image:

http://www.getty.edu/art/gettyguide/artObj...

I have heard of it...and if I recall correctly Dr. Williams stated that the Impressionists initiated the change of the black folk image when Michelangelo and the rest of the artists began to paint their works outdoors...

Okay, you've got my mind going in a number of directions. We've been talking about the Greeks and Macedonians, and there were parallel developments going on in Palestine and Mesopotamia right. I take it as a given that civilization arose in Ethiopia, the scientific evidence points to that, Ardipithecus Ramidus being the latest find. So I see the Israelites coming out of Egypt in the scientific sense, and the Old testament lacks historical corroboration until the Babylonian captivity, and is basically a justification written (synthesized) after the fact, i.e. after the captivity. Same with the New Testament. Jesus (as a figure) is not corroborated in historical writings, except a reference in Josephus, which could be a later insertion. And even by Christian reckoning, Jesus wrote nothing himself, the earliest writings said to be no earlier than 40 years after his life, by unknown authors, and those not agreeing with each other. Nor does the Old Testament agree with itself for that matter.

I know you will get us there. What's the next assignment?

I REALLY LIKE THIS FACT
YOU HAVE NEGLECTED YOUR ANCESTORS AND HAVE BEEN INDOCTRINATED INTO WORSHIPPING THE FICTICIOUS ANCESTORS OF OTHERS).
The white savage Ptolemy I SOTER was successful at finding some disaffected Priests from amongst the priesthood and they aquiesced to his request by going into the Ancient Egyptian pantheon of dieties and they chose two aspects of the Ancient Egyptian expression of God most dearest to the native population (the indigenous black people of Ancient Egypt). The history books give you a false reason for Ptolemy wanting to have his IMAGE made into a God. The true reason was RACISM....WHITE SUPREMACY. This is the only thing the Greeks brought with them to Africa. The Greek inhabitants who flooded Ancient Egypt along with Alexander's arrival loved everything Egyptian EXCEPT FOR THE EGYPTIANS!!! Not because the egyptians were Black, but because they the Greeks were mostly halfbreeds, mullattos and whites and by the very miscegenation of their blood they were from the outset disenfranchised from ever legitimately being ....an Ancient Egyptian (the status quo ofthe time culturally speaking). Many of the half breeds amongst the Greek population were partially related to the inhabitants of Ancient Egypt as it was the black side of their Nile Valley Ancestry that actually founded much of Greece in the first place. Hence their feelings towards a people they felt 'outcasted' from was no less resentful from their more Northern white Macedonian cousins with whom together they both comprised the populace of Greece. Pay atention geniuses:

"The Greek legends are illuminated by a particularly bright light when projected against the chronological table of Egyptian history. Indeed, the XVIIIth Dynasty was contemporaneous with Mycenaen Greece; even ATHENS WAS FOUNDED BY A COLONY OF BLACK EGYPTIANS led by Cecrops, who INTRODUCED agriculture and metellurgy to CONTINENTAL GREECE around the sixteenth century B.C., according to Greek Tradition itself."



CIVILIZATION OR BARBARISM:
AN AUTHENTIC ANTHROPOLOGY (Chapt.1, p.92, para.4)

BUT THE AFRICAN TAKES HIS HISTORY VERY SERIOUSLY; even more seriously than the Irishman. HE MUST, BECAUSE AN IMPORTANT PART OF HIS RELIGION IS THE CULT OF HIS ANCESTRAL SPIRITS - something more than reverence, perhaps not quite as much as worship."
The disloyal African Ancient Egyptian priests sympathetic to their own survival capitulated to Soter's wishes and took from the Native pantheon of Egyptian dieties (the divine triad of Isis the Mother, Osiris the Father, and Horus the child ie. the Black family, this was the first holy trinity), those two aspects of the one personage of God most revered by the black masses of Ancient Egypt....'God Osiris' and his other expression as the 'Apis Bull' (both strong ancient symbols of RESURRECTION in the minds, hearts and Souls of your Ancient Egyptian Ancestors, as it was they who introduced the concept of 'resurrection' to humanity) ....and syncretized these two aspects of Osiris' nature and incarnated into the world one Asar-Apis, a new deity comprised of two very ancient aspects of the most ancient and revered God in Ancient Egypt (in Africa) and that was ....God Osiris, clothed now for the first time as a Statue in the image and form of 'Ser-apis', ie. the savage white
Despotic Ptolemaic successor to Alexander of Macedon....Ptolemy I. SOTER.

D mann you need to do something with this blog.... I have to use my scroll bars to get from one side to another...

Queen Cynthia I have fixed the parameters of the blog by deleting to of my posts above that contained excessive links. I will repost them here with shortened links. Anyone reading this particular post should appreciate that these are previous posts addressing closely reated, germane issues to the subject at hand. They are only being reposted so that ALL of the information presented is available. For that reason this post will appear to be somewhat out of place as concerns the juncture we've reached in our instruction; simply take solace in the fact that the information is still available. When I am gone, much will leave with me so I am making every effort at great personal sacrifice to bring you this information, so that NOTHING leaves with me:

Reposted:


Excellent David


So here we have the the Greatest savage of antiquity entering Africa (not Los Angeles, not Canada...but where? .....you got it , that's right, the 'The land of the BLACKS'). We first have him seeking out the Temple of the great God of the Blacks...God Amen ('Amen'; ring a bell to any of you Bible thumpers out there?). The name of this game is called 'connect the dots'. God Amen (sometimes spelled Amun, Imn, Amon or Ammon) was being worshipped in Africa by the Blacks in the Nile Valley well over 5 thousand years "before the first savage wore a shoe or lived in a house that had a window". You now know more About Alexander of Macedon than most people you will ever come in contact with, pastors incuded.


Alexander wanted to be declared the son of the God of the Blacks so bad he trekked all the way to this place in AFRICA...look at at it and never forget it, show it to your children so they can see how the savages came to the land of their Ancestors to be exalted above all others. You can never change your children until you change yourselves....LOOK AT IT!


1.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Oracle_of_Ammun_at_Siwa.jpg




2. http://urlm.in/fzxw


For you Christians ...this was temple of God 'Amen' before Alexander's Greek descendants placed him your Bible. He was the God of your Beautiful Black African Ancestors. You supplicate his name








@ Everyone

The reason Alexander had to bypass Egypt proper and travel to Siwa to meet with the Oracle of God Amen was for this reason; when he asked the priesthood of Ancient Egypt to confer upon him the office of Pharaoh he was rejected as the priesthood only chose from amongst their own African kind. As he was rejected it was reccomended to him that he seek confirmation from God Himself. This was his reason for traveling to Siwa in the land of the Blacks.
Now...let us look at God Amen as expressed by our African Ancestors in Ancient Egypt. Let us see how the savage Alexander usurped the office of Pharaoh and had himself rendered the 'Sa Ra' ie. the 'Son of God', 'Amen'.



Scroll down this page and view God Amen as presented with the Ram horns as the ram was his type and symbol.
http://urlm.in/fzxy


Now look and see how Alexander had himself rendered as the Son of the African God 'Amen' (God represented in the form of a Ram)
http://urlm.in/fzya


Now look at God Amen again
http://urlm.in/fzyc

Now I will show you where the 'Hebrews plaigarized their image of the stone tablets that moses was supposed to have recieved his '10 commandments' on:

First look at the plume of feathers on the head of God Amun shown here:
http://www.travelblog.org/Photos/2603964

Now look at the shape of the stone tablets supposedly given to moses shown here:
http://urlm.in/fzye


ALL of their typology and icons were plagiarized from Ancient Egypt.

in any event let the repost above serve as a quick reminder and refresher. I'm sure there are those who could use it and will appreciate it.

Ten Commandments, they are taken outright from Spell 125 of the Egyptian
Book of the Dead.44 What the Book of the Dead phrased “I have not stolen” became “Thou

shall not steal,” “I have not killed” became “Thou shall not kill,” “I have not told lies”
became “Thou shall not bear false witness” and so forth.45 In fact, the Egyptian religion is
likely the primary foundational basis for the Judeo‐Christian theology. Baptism,46 afterlife,47
final judgment,48 virgin birth49 and resurrection,50 crucifixion,51 the ark of the covenant,52
circumcision,53, 54 saviors,55 holy communion,56 the great flood,57 Easter,58 Christmas,59, 60
Passover,61 and many, many more, are all attributes of Egyptian ideas, long predating.

Justin Martyr, one of the first Christian historians and defenders, wrote: “When we say that
he, Jesus Christ, our teacher, was produced without s*xual union, was crucified and died, and
rose again, and ascended into Heaven, we propound nothing different from what you believe
regarding those who you esteem Sons of Jupiter.”62 In a different writing, Justin Martyr said

“He was born of a virgin; accept this in common with what you believe of Perseus. ”63 It’s
obvious that Justin and other early Christians knew how similar Christianity was to the Pagan
religions. However, Justin had a solution. As far as he was concerned, the Devil did it. The
Devil had the foresight to come before Christ, and create these characteristics in the Pagan
world.

@ Adam

A partial quote from my link you graciously reposted, showing a rarely seen image of Serapis (http://urlm.in/fzyf) states about Serapis that ...."For Egyptians, he was the god Osiris under another name. Most importantly for the Greeks, the new god had human form".


That is a lie....when placed in proper historical context the sentence should read thusly....."Most importantly for the Greeks, the new god had the form of a WHITE MAN" like themselves. For the first tim in their history the Greeks were no longer obliged to worship BLACK PEOPLE as they had been doing up that point. This is historical fact. One thing Black students are never taught to examine are the historical motives of whites. Their austerity is based upon lies and falshoods:

"Negroes were first worshipped in Greece and Rome. White masses bowed down to black deities. The rites of Apollo were founded by Delphos and his negro mother, Melainis; and the worship of black Isis and Horus were popular in Rome and the Roman colonies as far north as Britain. When this latter evolved into the worship of the Black Madonna and the BLACK CHRIST whites also bowed down to them. Negroes, as was said, were deified in the early Greece. They appeared as gods in Greek mythology. The chief title of Zeus,greatest of the Greek gods, was 'Ethiops', that is 'Black' ."

J.A. Rogers
'NATURE KNOWS NO COLORLINE'
publ. 1952


@ All others:

Why have you as black people not taught your children that those who now miseducate them and furnish them with feeble minds once worshipped them as Gods and Goddesses? imagine a black child and a white child sitting in the same calssroom being taught these Truths!! Would your children come home from their 'schools' and hang out in front of grocery corner stores as they do in every black neighborhood in this country? NO THEY WOULD NOT!!! Why? BECAUSE GODS AND GODDESSES DO NOT HANG OUT IN FRONT OF CORNER GROCERY STORES OWNED BY ARABS, ASIANS AND LATINOS!!! I will tell you why you have not told them this......it is because as I have said....a God or Goddess with AMNESIA is of nuse themselves or their progeny; they are disoriented...easily managed within populations....they will even try to emulate their abberated creations.....a state of BACKWARDS affairs will ensue.....this then is your reality black people. My humble suggestion?
Follow the example of the 'savage' Adam and check your egos at the door and just accept that this is what has happened on your planet, to you as a people. Where do you think the got the idea for the movie 'The Planet of the Apes'? Where those who once ruled as masters of the planet were now ruled by that which they had just only previously ruled. They were shoving your story in your face....but in your slumbering ignorance which you will defend and champion to the death as you have been emtionally programmed to do, you consumed it as mere ENTERTAINMENT. The gretaest achievement the white man can boast of to this very day is that he took that which he once worshipped and brought it low, lower than even himself; so low that there are those amongst us, who look just like us, who would stop me dead in my tracks from revealing these things to you; not out of historical objectivity, but out of jealousy and envy, because in their small warped minds I have stolen their 'thunder'.....I have what they crave the most.....your attention. They are still deeply infected with a 'plantation' mindset. They are sick and beyond my capcity to assist. Everything else is a much more important topic other than FACTS they have never been, and yet to be, furnished with. The accumulated IQ on their combined pages (just read their blogs) is indicative of the 'sore losers in the sandbox'. Perhaps they should have divulged this information before my arrival, perhaps then I would have found it unnecessary to do so. But alas...the incapable, the incompetent and the uninformed must lick their academic wounds together as they all have one thing in common.......myself as a more than capable adversary.

@DAVID


An excellent post.

@Mozell


"Is there a curse on Africans for believeing in a God....or Gods and allowing them, those Gods to be hijacked...."?



When one turns their backs on their Ancestors...whether through programming or by their own volition....all things between heaven and hell will not suffice in staving off the price that must be paid. Perhaps if a white person with a Phd or a collared shirt and a tie tells you this...you will believe them. That was a plausible and germane question Mozell...a pleasant surprise from an unlikely source.

When I return....I will address 1 or 2 more posts on here that caught my attention, then we move closer into what brought about the creation of the Bible. I can't wait to 'see your faces' when you encounter this information. I've a feeling both David and Adam will be most pleased as they will have questions answered that they never would have imagined, could have been answered. I can assure you. David though there are those present too immersed in false pride to thank you for this opportunity I will not be counted amongs ttheir company, so I therefore say on behalf of us all......thank you for allowing something as unique and as insighful as this to take place. I've a class to teach. i will return this evening.

The subjects we will be covering next are: What did Ptolemy SOTER do to the community of Ancient Egyptian Priests (your African Ancestors) who refused to help him?

How does that relate to the building of the Library of Alexandria (in Ancient Egypt, the Land ofthe Black people....your Ancestors)?

how do you explain the similarities with other older pagan religions from before the writing of the bible.check out the similarities between jesus christ and the egyptian sun god "horus"
HORUS -Ancient Egypt-3000 bc
born- Dec 25 to a virgin (Isis mary)
his birth was accompanied by a star in the east, and was worshiped by three kings
at 30 he was baptized, could heal the sick and walk on water.
there are other similarities, which where inscribed 3500 years ago and found in luxor, egypt, which also has the virgin birth. this also follows other gods in terms of a birth sequence, including:
attis -greece 1200bc
Krishna - India 900 bc
dionysis - greece 500 bc
mithra -persia 500 bc

so does this mean that god does not exist as it is all a blatant copy form previous "sun gods" and what makes god and jesus any different from the other gods named?, does this show that christianity with all its pagan ritual is nothing more than a stolen myth, passed down from the ancient egyptians??

i thank you Christine for opening my eyes in a way i can trace my history with a clear understanding and i can speak this boldly to my kids and my children s children !

Someone said, I can't remember who, that the greatest fraud visited upon people, [black in particular] is christianity." I say that at the risk of creating hostility among the "religious" on this site. Some of us have known for while that the stories in King James were changed to under pen the hijacking of a people and enslaving them for profit. That is difficult for some to beieve becuse what they have of vlueis their belief. Historically, what we re lerning from Christine are fact hidden and cloaked in darkness for controlling a segment of the population and empowering the other segment.

With just s little bit of study, one can find the relationship between the ancient beliefs and the name changes of today. And if you know just a llittle bit of Ancient History, one will know that the Holy Family Is Egyptian. They just demoted Mary to the place where Christians have always put women, not important enough to mention a harlot.

It is IMPORTANT that we as a people learn the truth of who we really are and where and who we came from. The inferiority complex that many people of color have will vanish and the real wealth of the potential can be kicked into high gear.

Christine, thanks for the corrected commentary on the Serapis image. I have another question about Serapis but will save it. Has to do with Ptah. But I don't want to divert from the course you have set.

ms Johnson
that was beautiful powerful and true !
can i use that ?

"Plagiarism is the unauthorized use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism

Christine i have been studying this for about 3 hrs and i think i got it !

Under Ptolemy Soter, efforts were made to integrate Egyptian religion with that of their Hellenic rulers. Ptolemy's policy was to find a deity that should win the reverence alike of both groups, despite the curses of the Egyptian priests against the gods of the previous foreign rulers (i.e Set who was lauded by the Hyksos). Alexander the Great had attempted to use Amen for this purpose, but he was more prominent in Upper Egypt, and not as popular with those in Lower Egypt, where the Greeks had stronger influence. The Greeks had little respect for animal-headed figures, and so a Greek-style anthromorphic statue was chosen as the idol, and proclaimed as the equivalent of the highly popular Apis.[2] It was named Aser-hapi (i.e. Osiris-Apis), which became Serapis, and was said to be Osiris in full, rather than just his Ka (life force).

As none other, Ptolemy realized that the Pharaonic system would enable a dynasty to survive the death of its founder. His annexations beyond the wildest Egyptian dreams confirmed this "strong king". He understood (as Alexander before him) that by gifts to the temples, erecting monuments and ensuring dignified royal administration (as well as preserve his military might), he would have the intellectual, ante-rational elite of Egypt on his side and benefit from the perennial agricultural fruits of the "black land", as well as from the preserved scientific and artistic canons, expressed in multi-layered, contextual, proto-rational thoughts & practices. Native Egyptians loathed the Persian rule and welcomed a new Pharaoh who would restore and maintain the old traditions. The blur between the human and the divine in Ptolemy's Macedonian mind (cf. the figure of the hero in Greek religion) blended in with the divine nature of Egyptian kingship confirmed by triumphant victories (Pharaoh being the incarnation of Horus the Elder as well as the son of Atum-Re, the Heliopolitan god of creation).

@Thomasena Martin-Johnson


Wow. I like being wowed. You just wowed me.




@David

Your last one was quite impressive. you should know that. You threw crumbs on the table that were hither to not addressed. You included some of the 'how' with respect to what Ptolemy I SOTER (SAVIOUR) accomplished. In your statement is a reflection of the HISTORICAL RECORD of how SOTER courted and plied the disloyal faction of the Ancient Egyptian Priesthood (your African Ancestors) with wealth and status and freedom from his persecution: "He understood (as Alexander before him) that by gifts to the temples, erecting monuments and ensuring dignified royal administration".



The other PRIESTS WERE NOT SO LUCKY....here you will be revealed to you the true reason for the building of the Library of Alexandria.





After I eat (smile).

ok we will be here

Yes David, Welcome to it.

Ptolemy proved to be an astute administrator. In addition to appointing Greeks to high bureaucratic positions, he followed the lead of Alexander the Great and likewise permitted Persians as well as Egyptians to remain in positions of authority within Egypt provided they demonstrated their unfailing allegiance to him. He did little to alter the nome, or provincial, administration of Egypt, so that Egypt’s pharaonic institutions continued to function unchanged. His name in Egyptian and his titulary were composed in concert with Egypt’s learned priestly-scribes who employed the same writing for his prenomen written with the first cartouche as that used earlier for Alexander the Great. By his second regnal year he was styled in Demotic, “the protector,” providing the equivalent, “Soter,” his Greek epithet.



His positive interaction with the Egyptian priesthood was furthered by his renovations of Egyptian temples. Although these architectural programs are not on the monumental scale of those of some of his successors, an inventory of his name preserved at these sites indicates that his architectural program effected virtually every major temple throughout the entire land. In this regard it is interesting to note his activities at Karnak between Pylons 8 and 9, where the foundations of an exterior wall composed of re-used talatat from the Amarna Period were replaced with sandstone blocks usurped by his agents from an unknown structure of post-Ramesside date. The artistic style of the relief decoration associated with these architectural programs reveals that the craftsmen in his employ perpetuated the style of the immediately preceding pharaonic dynasties, as is evident if one compares images inscribed in his name from Iseion in the Delta or from the Chapel of Thoth, now in Hildesheim, from Tuna el-Gebal with relief inscribed with the names of Nectanebo II of Dynasty XXX.



In addition to his financial support of these Egyptian institutions, Ptolemy I Soter, as he is now universally known, was doubtless responsible for sowing the seeds of what was to grow into the famous Library and Mouseion at Alexandria. He seems to be the individual responsible for acquiring the private library of Aristotle, which formed the core collection of the Library’s holdings. In this endeavor he seems to have engaged the services of Demetrius of Phaleron, a suburb of the city of Athens. Realizing the need for providing his immigrant Greek entourage with an understanding of the country they were now administrating, Ptolemy commissioned the Egyptian priest Manetho from the Delta city of Sebennytos to compose a history of his country in Greek.

http://egyptiansociety.co.za/2010/06/ptole...

This was a tough one Christine, and I'm not satisfied yet with what I came up with. I did read a lot of material, but as far as answering your question, what happened to the priests that opposed him, I haven't found the answer. I will see if the post above can be used for further leads. I also came up blank on the ancient sources, tried finding Macrobius' Saturnalia in English (thought book 1 chapter 7 might have some relevance), but only found the Latin. My Latin is not too good after 30 years. I found interesting reading at:

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Gaze...

The House of Ptolemy
by E. R. Bevan
published by Methuen Publishing, London,
1927

Starting on page 38, at this quote: "The Greek books tell us a little about the part which Ptolemy played in the struggle between the world-powers during forty years after Alexander's death. But when we ask what all this time was happening in Egypt itself, our documents give us no material for a narrative. We can only infer the developments taking place from the conditions which we afterwards find existing in the country."

polemy caused Cleomenes to be arraigned on some charge, condemned, and put to death. Of course he had now to expect to be attacked by Perdiccas with his whole power, as soon as Perdiccas could get his hands free. Meantime Ptolemy extended his dominion along the African coast by possessing himself of the ancient Greek colony of Cyrene and its daughter towns. Civil war had broken out in that country in the days of confusion after the death of Alexander, one faction led by the Spartan condottiere Thibron, and another by the Cretan Mnasicles. Refugees of the defeated party came to Egypt to entreat the satrap to intervene. Ptolemy dispatched a force, military and naval, under Ophellas, an Olynthian in his service, to occupy the country, and the two condottieri joined forces against him. Ophellas beat them down, captured Thibron, and had him crucified. Then Ptolemy came in person to take possession of Cyrene, towards the end of 322 B.C. The subjugation of a state so illustrious, with more than a century's tradition of republican freedom, since the fall of its old Greek dynasty, by a Macedonian ruler made a powerful impression upon the Greek world. The Cyrenaeans never acquiesced in the position of a subject province. They were destined to be often in the future, not an accession of strength to the Macedonian kings of Egypt, but a thorn in their side. Yet Cyrene furnished to Ptolemaic Egypt, as Ireland has done to England, a roll of illustrious men like Callimachus the poet and Eratosthenes the geographer, and numbers of soldiers. Amongst the p23soldier-colonists of the Fayûm and of Upper Egypt the papyri show a noticeable proportion of Cyrenaeans. For the moment Ptolemy left Ophellas in the country as governor.

Ptolemy seized Jerusalem on the Sabbath day, when the Jews felt that their religion forbade them to offer any resistance.12 Bouché-Leclercq thinks that it was more probably in 312. Yet Ptolemy can hardly have avoided securing the city of this singular community (as they seemed to the Greeks) when he extended his power over Palestine in the years 320‑318.

As against the native Egyptians, the Greeks felt themselves the representatives of a higher civilization. And yet they were, as has been said, impressed by the antiquity and mysterious regularity of the Egyptian tradition. They were curious to know something about it. Only, their curiosity was easily satisfied. No Greek savant, so far as we know, ever took the trouble to learn to read hieroglyphics or to study the records engraved in stone, or written on papyrus, at first hand. The Greeks in Egypt did sometimes learn Egyptian, as we may see by a papyrus of the 2d century B.C., a letter written in Greek by a mother to her son — presumably a Greek family — in which she congratulates him on the fact that he is learning "Egyptian letters" (Αἰγύπτια γράμματα); but his object is not, we find, historical research, it is the hope of securing a post as teacher in a school for Egyptian children, and so providing for his old age. All that Greeks knew about Egyptian antiquity was what Egyptians chose to tell them. The Greek historian, Hecataeus of Abdera, was in Egypt in the days of the first Ptolemy, and travelled up the Nile as far as Thebes to gather material for his History of Egypt (Αἰγυπτιακά). He was specially interested in Egyptian religion, and his informants may have been Egyptian priests or the bilingual native guides who served the needs of Greek tourists. What Diodorus tells us about Egypt in his First Book is largely taken from the work of Hecataeus. No doubt Hecataeus learnt from his informants a good deal that was true, as well as a good deal that was invented in order to present an idealized picture of ancient Egypt to the Greek. Hecataeus gave Greek readers what they wanted — something in literary form which seemed plausible, which pleasantly impressed their imaginations and made them feel that they understood Egypt; they were untroubled by the modern researcher's demand for rigorous documentary verification. Sometimes Egyptians themselves took up the pen to write about their country and their people for Greeks. An Egyptian of the priestly caste, Manetho, wrote a history of Egypt in Greek, with the encouragement apparently of the first Ptolemy. Manetho really had some knowledge of the ancient records, and what he wrote was largely based upon them, though he brought in a certain amount of Egyptian popular legend. It is, however, to his credit that we find him — in one connexion, at any rate — specially pointing out that what he is giving is legend, and not something taken from the documents. The history of Manetho was much the fullest and most authentic history of ancient Egypt which the Greeks and Romans ever possessed. The work has now perished, but the considerable fragments of it, preserved by Josephus and other writers, gave Europe almost all the substantial information it had about ancient Egypt till the 19th century, when scholars discovered the key to the old Egyptian writing. "If we estimate aright the spirit of the Alexandria of that day, we shall not hesitate to say that Manetho's dry enumeration of early dynasties of gods and kings stood no chance in popularity against Hecataeus' agreeable romancing. Possibly the high priest, who is cited as one of Ptolemy's religious advisers, made an honest attempt to counteract the uncritical rubbish which was talked at the Museum concerning the earlier history of his country. In its day his work was a failure, though centuries later Jews and Christians in their controversies raked it out of oblivion".

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Gaze...

this is the kind of Academia you won't see in our school systems.... OUTSTANDING!

CYNTHIA
this is hard work i got 5 hrs of study just today !

Damn Adam.....those last two were good. Real good. I'm stealing that sh*t...fa real.



David....your keep'n up....but you might wanna fasten your seat belt in a while.


Queen Cynthia....you stick around....I give you my personla gurantee, your mind is going to be blown.



Thomasena- I'm still chewing on your last one. It tasted so good I don't wanna swallow for fear of losing the taste. On point like a dart.



Adam....I had to comment twice....your last two posts made me slightly jealous.....I've neither of those in my collection....how the hell did you find those?

@Adam


Duhh I should've known. University of Chicago (Oriental Institute of Archaeology) alumni material and archives....stay the hell out of my haunts Adam....I'd be competing against you in a classroom right now. Creep...youre stealing my 'Thunder'....lol!! Slow down your gonna give away the juicy stuff. Typical savage ....blowin his load before we all get there ....LOL!!!!

Damn Adam...I can't seem to shake those last two posts of yours....good stuff.....I'm downloading that sh*t. That's the priceless stuff. Yeah, yeah....whatever .....you get a stripe....or two.

Christine: time, patience, and a great teacher.

A YOUNG EDUCATED BLACK WOMAN SHOWCASE YOUR SKILLS ,,,,
i look at the way you teach those that hunger for the truth !
i see your beauty and i love your blackness !

Adam when we've concluded.....youre going to owe David dinner or tickets to something because had my brother not invited me to this forum chances are....you'd still be stuck in the 'Common Era' looking for the origins of Christianity and the Bible. You'd still be stuck on Erasmus' work; Mark, Luke, John...blah blah blah. Erasmus and Cisneros sure had a thing for the theatrical huh? To say the least ; Erasmus for the little boys. Damn 15th century playwrites got my people all messed up in the head huh?
Well we gon fix that right about..............now. Any and all credit on this page goes to David as it was he who in fact had the insane idea of inviting someone as historically and academically volatile as myself to forum infested with self styled 'moderates'. That took guts kiddo. Particularly in a community where people are more concerned with being popular and well liked than with having their heads screwed back on straight. Go figure.

Christine,

I couldn't agree with you more that I owe David. Big time.

HAVE HEART CAUSE FEAR O311 I GOT MY TAGS GUNNY ! POST 1978

LET THE LIGHT SHINE !

David....when you see me my brother; see the women you will create everytime you sneak in the opportunity to teach a misguided and miseducated sister. She is as entitled to her birthright and legacy as are we.



The Ancient Egyptian priests and priestesses (your Black African Ancestors in Ancient Egypt) who capitulated to Ptolemy I SOTER (SAVIOUR) were located in Memphis ('Mem-Nefer'.....'the place of beauty') Egypt. It was this sacerdotal indigenous African 'sell out' community that went into the Divine triad of their Native country in Africa...'Ancient Egypt') and extracted from it two different expressions of the same God figure in that Divine Triad; God Osiris and his another aspect of himself as the Apis Bull thereby syncretizing these different expressions of the one and same God Osiris now personified by the hybrid name indicating the marraige between these two divine natures rendering one...Asar(Asaru or Osiris) - Hapi (ie. Apis)....culminating in the image of the white God Serapis. This was the first time in the history of black people's existence that they were forced to worship the IMAGE OF A WHITE MALE GOD:

They (the disloyal priests of Egypt) later created (on behalf of Ptolemy I SOTER, SAVIOUR) a devotional ritual to Serapis; he was spoken of as "THE SAVIOR AND LEADER OF SOULS, LEADING SOULS TO THE LIGHT AND RECIEVING AND RECIEVING THEM AGAIN". The ritual goes on to say " HE RAISES THE DEAD, HE WILL SAVE US AFTER DEATH AND WE WILL BE PROTECTED IN HIS PROVIDENCE".

Outline of History , by H.G. Wells Vol.1


At this point if you know nothing about Osiris, the Black God of your African Ancestors of Ancient Egypt, who so iincensed the white savage envious Greeks simply because they could not see in him their reflection as a result of the paleness of their own skin, I highly, highly .....highly suggest you take a moment to familiarize yourself with this 'God of the Blacks' as it is he whom this whole story centers around as you will eventually come to see. His very title was 'Lord of the Perfect Black':
Before we proceed any further (and we will) I cannot let you proceed any further until your mind is equipped with this information, or all else will be 'Chinese' to you (so to speak).

Read this information...count how many times the allusion is made to 'resurrection', 'eternal life' and 'Lord'.

http://www.touregypt.net/godsofegypt/osiri...


Read this information, and out of respect for your Black African Ancestors,(who you have been trained not even to consult or consider anymore in your homogenized lives), and even for your own very selves, I ask you to consider the historical facts as reflected by the historical record, the daily REALITY in their lives of terms such as 'resurrection', 'eternal life' and 'Lord'. Then and only then will you just begin to understand why the greatest white savages of their day wanted to be associated and affiliated with him BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY. And then I will tell you what happened when your African Ancestors in Ancient Egypt helped one of the white savages (Ptolemy I. SOTER/SAVIOUR) achieve this 'life shattering' goal. Because it was our Black lives that were shattered as a consequence of this. Alex Haley gave you the rated G version of 'Roots'. I'm giving you the rated X version.....because X marks the spot and this is where it all began. Introduce yourselves to the God of your Great Black African Ancestors in Ancient Egypt
......God Osiris.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osiris

Meet the Great female Ancestor of your Black African Ancestors in Ancient Egypt, the Wife and Sister of Osiris. Isis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis


Once you have met their son Horus....you will have met the first divine trinity as reflected by the historical record. It is the African Family as expressed in the persons of God Osiris, Goddess Isis and their divine child Horus, born of an immaculate conception ( born without the stain of original sin, as your African Ancestors did not suscribe to the concept of 'original sin').

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus



After you've mastered these 3 'persons'.....Goddess Isis, God Horus and God Osiris, you will be able to understand what took place at the future ecumenical councils in North East Africa (later misnomered the (Middle East'). You will be able to understand how the ecclesiastical community dipped repeatedly into this divine triad in an effort to incarnate their own God's and Godesses for if 'Mary' the 'Theotokos' is the 'Mother of God' then it follows that she must be a..........(figure it out brainiacs).

I have special treat coming up for Adam....gonna blow his mind. Just breathe deep until we get there Adam.

David, I was hoping you would not misunderstand me. I meant what I said in an honest way, no reference to the past. Let me be clear, thank you David for bringing Christine to us.

Christine, where does Ptah fit in? I read he was the one who was not created. This will be my assignment today, Ptah, Osiris, Isis, Horus.

i will be gone for the day going up the coast !

Christine, I did say "us", but I have not forgotten who is your audience. So I do not mean to be presumptuous.

Princess and All... I am reading..... and following along.....
I'm good.... Adam/Steve/?? is on a roll....

@ Queen Cynthia


Adam is on a roll. I kind've feel bad for anyone who debates him after this. Be they black, white or technicolor. He'll drag them through the historical record until their knees are bloody and dirty and they are screaming in pain for him to stop as I have done to many an opponent.


@Adam

I'm well aware of the presence of those who would prefer their presence go unnoticed. They are as entitled to know the Truth as are all others. Their contentions mean nothing to me as the historical record will ALWAYS without question everytime....obliterate their false premises, many of which they have heavily invested in.
It is not me they resent though they believe it be so. it is the historical record that they are only now being introduced to (in it's entirety) for the very first time in their lives, that they resent. How could I possibly take that personal? I do not. Just as you do not take it personal when I referto you as a 'savage'. You know that I do not know anything personal about you, therfore it can only be a political statement, not a personal one. Your average idiot cannot differentiate.

Cynthia, you make me smile with the Adam/Steve/??

Christine

I had a history professor in college I will never forget, Dr. Claude Foster. Whenever one of us would start a sentence with "I believe", he would unfailingly correct us to say "I think". That lesson has stuck with me ever since, and I still hear those words in my head if I ever start a sentence "I believe".

good... I don't know what you will call your self after this.... !! glad to see you getting involved.... Im impressed!!

When one hears a truth that goes against their"truth" it changes who they are. If they are not ready to learn that they did not know themselves, it upset their world.I have found that for SOME of us, that is too much to bare. Many are still deciding between negro, Black, African American, Afro American and American. Many are still denying that the So called Jesus is a black even in James' book if they look for it. Some are still saying not to QUESTION GOD OR THE BIBLE. That is what I meant about debriefing and unlearning garbage before we are ready to strike ou ton our own. Without what we are learning from Sister Christine, we will not be strong enough to do better. After all, this is the foundation on which we build. With this knowledge, brainwashing is impossible. That is why SOME PEOPLE did not want SOME to learn to read. Can you imagine what slavery would have been like if the slaves knew all of this information and especially the second and third generations?

David's 5 questions opened pandora's box---for somebody.

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CONGRATULATIONS TO EVERYONE ON THIS FORUM...EXCELLENT JOB!

David and Christine...thank you both for such an enlightening voyage and lesson.

Thank you to ALL of the PARTICIPANTS of this dialogue...I have most certainly appreciated the candor and genuine spirit of KINSHIP!

SANKOFA...

Peace and Love to you - one and all,

Greg.
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Sista Thomasena you are so correct.....
Indeed this is enlightening... reminds me of Plato's allegory of the cage in his story The Republic!!

Somebody hip me to the question... being explored now?

Wish I could see your faces (smile).

His Greek name, Ōrigénēs (Ὠριγένης), probably means "child of Horus" (from Ὡρος, "Horus", and γένος, "born"

ok im back ..i need to caught up

His Greek name, Ōrigénēs (Ὠριγένης), probably means "child of Horus"

Etymology is the study of the history of words, their origins, and how their form and meaning have changed over time.

For languages with a long written history, etymologists make use of texts in these languages and texts about the languages to gather knowledge about how words were used during earlier periods of their history and when they entered the languages in question. Etymologists also apply the methods of comparative linguistics to reconstruct information about languages that are too old for any direct information to be available.

The Church Fathers, Early Church Fathers, or Fathers of the Church were early and influential theologians, eminent Christian teachers and great bishops. Their scholarly works were used as a precedent for centuries to come, see Proto-orthodox Christianity. The term was used of writers and teachers of the Church, not necessarily saints. A rough classification of these patristic writings is as: Apostolic Fathers and the Second Century; Third Century; Fourth Century; Fifth Century; and Sixth Century.[1][2]

one of the most distinguished writers of the early Christian Church

@ Everyone"

It matters not who posted the answer to my last question first (though 'you know who' beat you all to the punch.....do you know why? Becaue he wants it the way a fighter wants to win a fight. Those who teach know that those are the students who will do things of value with what they have learned, though in the case of a veritable savage i couldn't even begin to imagine what could possibly come of his efforts. Only those who witness it will know. As for the rest of you...you are family and i am obligated to see this course through to it's final revelation. The price I pay for not doing so is slightly just a bit too high, even for my own extraordinary, well-seasoned taste. I reiterate....all that matters are these very words:

'Origen'-

"His Greek name, Ōrigénēs (Ὠριγένης), probably means "child of Horus" (from Ὡρος, "Horus", and γένος, "born")."

Wikipedia.


If you do not understand the implications of the above quote as regards the bearing/impact of the Ancient Egyptian (ie. African) origins of so-called 'Christian precepts' on Christianity itself, then perhaps you may wish to follow an alternative blog. Perhaps one where the topic is something akin to "See spot run" or "See Jane walk"; hint, hint. Show me that someone has their thinking caps on ( I was actually going to save that little 'Origen' tidbit for later but temptation got the better of me as it sometimes does ...smile; no worries...that's nothing compared to what's coming, I can whole heartedly assure you). The next time a Christian gets into a debate with you....just mention the etymology of Origen's name and walk away. At that point, for all intents and purposes you've pretty much won the argument.


One of the Early Church Fathers(?)....upon which so much of Christian doctrine rests (?) who's very name means 'CHILD OFHORUS'? I know how we so enjoy specializing in exceedingly short memories, so please allow me to introduce you to the 'FATHER' of Origen....the Early Christian Church Father himself. He was the 'CHILD OF .............'HORUS'. Guess that made Isis and Osiris his Grandparents.....smile.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus



When it comes to future debate...members of this group will take no prisoners and show no mercy even in the slightes. Truth demands that you be ruthless.
Truth is not weak, it is strong and must be respected when handled like any great weapon. NOW....THINKING CAPS ON!

What happened to those Balck African Ancient Egyptian priests who DID NOT aquiesce to Soter's requests and wishes? Everything hinges on this.

Not long after the disloyal priests and priestesses created the hybrid God 'Serapis' in 'Soter's image....he (Soter) requested that his statue...the statue of himself as God 'Serapis' be placed on equal footing with the most sacred expression of God in Ancient Egypt, God in the person of Osiris, in all of the Temples throughout the length and breadth of Ancient Egypt. Needless to say, your Black African Ancestors REFUSED him this sacrilegious and blasphemous request on the grounds that though he may be a despotic ruler of their sacred lands (Ancient Egypt, the second place on this planet to be called the 'Holy' Land' as the first and oldest place to designated as such was done so by the Ancient Egyptians themselves when referring to the inner body of the continent of Africa....the land of your origins; they refrred to it as 'TA-NETER' ie. THE LAND OF GOD/GODS):



"Moreover, whenever Egyptian inscriptions refer to Egyptian origins, the land of Punt-present-day Somalia and northern Kenya-is pointed to as the ancestral homeland. One word for inner Africa, “yau,” is the same as their word for “old,” making inner Africa “the old country” of immigration. Inner Africa also was TA -NETER, “the Land of the Gods.” Everything about the interior of Africa evoked in the Egyptians a sense of awe, reverence and nostalgia."

Great Black Leaders: Ancient and Modern
Edited by Dr Ivan Van Sertima
Rutgers University


***This book is required reading at the Collegiate level.






To your Black African Ancestors in Ancient Egypt (the priests), the Greek, Ptolemy I.SOTER (SAVIOUR), successor of the savage white Macedonian Alexander, was still, at the end of the day....a white savage, and there was nothing whatsoever in their historical memory that would ameliorate them to his cause....namely that of having his WHITE image placed in all of the Holiest Temples throughout Ancient Egypt alongside the sacerdotal images of the holiest of your Ancestral dieties .....God in the 'person' of Osiris, 'Lord of The Perfect Black:


"......for example a black stone , such as basalt, would associate the subject with Asar (Osiris) in His aspect of "Lord of the Perfect Black" "


EA Wallace Budge
(Keeper of the Egyptian and Assyrian Antiquities at the British Museum)



What was the price they paid for refusal....these priests and priestesses, these black brothers and sisters who refused to capitulate to the disrepectful request made of them by the white savage Ptolemy I. Soter (SAVIOUR)?


Let as look at what indeed happened. This is how your Bible began......

Ptolemy I. attempted to put this man made icon/ image of himself into all the sacred temples throughout Egypt alongside the God of your Black Ancient Egyptian Ancestors, God Osiris. This was his way of getting himself accepted into the Ancient Egyptian priesthood. However as previously mentioned, he was rejected by the entire sacred priest society throughout Ancent Egypt (except in Memphis, Egypt where the name Serapis and the icon/image were created). ANGERED BY THIS REJECTION THE GREEK WHITE SAVAGE, PTOLEMY I, SOTER (SAVIOUR)
PROCEEDED TO CLOSE ALLTHE OTHER SACRED ANCIENT EGYPTIAN TEMPLES THROUGHOUT EGYPT AND MADE IT AGAINST THE LAW FOR ANY of the Black peoples of Ancient Egypt to build any temples or buildings for the purpose of Spiritual fellowship. Imagine if George Bush Jr walked into your church on Sunday and signed into law a decree that said we could no longer meet for Spiritual fellowship because we refuse to place a statue ofhis likeness next to that which we proclaim divine even if only in representation. It is attested to by the historical record that this is what your Black Ancestors were subject to, at the hands ofte svage white Greeks.They did not come to Africa to learn as is sooften referred to in the historical record.....they came to steal, not only knowledge of the universe (which they dd at many different intervals) but they also came to steal the very FREEEDOM of a people not because they had black skin but because all that they had others wanted for themselves and quickly came to the conclusion that the only way to take it was to take it all...through tyranny and cultural terrorism. The details will be discussed later today.

So we need to find to converse of this:

"In addition to appointing Greeks to high bureaucratic positions, he followed the lead of Alexander the Great and likewise permitted Persians as well as Egyptians to remain in positions of authority within Egypt provided they demonstrated their unfailing allegiance to him."

"...provided they demonstrated their unfailing allegiance to him."

I am looking.

Demetrius Phalereus, the first head of the ancient Alexandria Library and one who was also instrumental in creating the Mouseion, advised Ptolemy I to "collect together books on kingship and the exercise of power, and to read them". It seems likely that Ptolemy I at least attempted to follow this advice, judging from his success in governing the territories under his authority. He sought to consolidate the religions of the Egyptians and Greeks by actually creating the worship of a new god named Serapis, which was in reality a composite deity made up of both Egyptian and Greek gods. Ptolemy I established for this god the Sarapeion in Alexandra, a temple dedicated to the god which also held a daughter library to that of the Great Library of Alexandria. He was also responsible for many other temples and temple additions in Egypt, which undoubtedly proved useful with his relationship to Egypt's powerful priesthood.

This is not to say that Ptolemy I was entirely successful. Serapis, though becoming a popular god not only with the Greeks in Egypt but elsewhere in the world, seems to have never really attained that stature among the Egyptians themselves, who went about mostly worshipping their old gods. In addition, choosing Alexandria as his capital segregated the Greeks of his generation and their descendents from the Egyptian people. In fact, Alexandria came to be considered more of a Greek city in Egypt, rather than actually an Egyptian city.

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/pt...

. The fellahîn were mostly native Egyptians, but now, instead of the country houses of the Egyptian nobles which had been seen in olden days, the great estates belonged to Greeks. Perhaps there were Egyptian families which kept alive a memory that they were descended from princes, but, if so, they counted for very little in the world now. Any Egyptian who aspired to rise learnt Greek, put on a Greek dress, and took service at the Greek court or under some Greek government official. Sometimes he kept his Egyptian name; sometimes he took a Greek name; sometimes he had both an Egyptian and a Greek name. We never hear under the Ptolemies of any native lay aristocracy.1 The poorer Egyptians continued to talk their old language in a later form, on its way to become the Coptic of Christian Egypt, 600 years later. The old warrior caste of Egyptians, whom the p80Greeks in their tongue called machimoi ("fighting men"), continued to exist, as we shall see, distinct from the ordinary fellahîn, and were employed for some purposes — though at present, it would seem, mainly as non-combatants — in the Ptolemaic forces. Only in one way did the old Egypt continue to make an imposing appearance — in the department of religion. Many of the huge temples, built by the kings of the past, were still standing among the palms, and the traditional ritual was carried on in them, in the old language, to the old gods, by bodies of priests, with white linen robes and shaven heads, as they are shown on the Pharaonic monuments. The divine animals — bulls and rams and crocodiles — were still fed and worshipped. It was the priesthood, mainly confined to particular priestly families, which now constituted the only native aristocracy there was. It was to them in the prestige of their office, their corporate wealth, and their sacred learning, that the common people looked as their national guides and leaders. Greek-speaking Egyptians were probably employed quite largely in the lower posts of the government administration, though not, till under the later Ptolemies, in the higher ones. Perhaps the highest posts of all (such as the post of dioiketes) were even then reserved for Greeks, but an Egyptian could in the 1st century B.C. become Governor-General (epistrategos) of the Thebaid. Under the early Ptolemies, Egyptians are not found in such high station. If Rehm is right in supposing that the Tachōs son of Gongylus, who in a Milesian inscription appears as stephanēphoros for the year 262‑261, was an Egyptian representing the Ptolemaic power in that city,2 we should certainly p81have under Ptolemy II an Egyptian holding a relatively high command.

If we estimate aright the spirit of the Alexandria of that day, we shall not hesitate to say that Manetho's dry enumeration of early dynasties of gods and kings stood no chance in popularity against Hecataeus' agreeable romancing. Possibly the high priest, who is cited as one of Ptolemy's religious advisers, made an honest attempt to counteract the uncritical rubbish which was talked at the Museum concerning the earlier history of his country. In p86its day his work was a failure, though centuries later Jews and Christians in their controversies raked it out of oblivion" (M.).

No modern country in which a European race bears rule over a more numerous native race is quite like Ptolemaic Egypt. South Africa so far resembles it, that the European race there too has settled in the country as its permanent home, a minority amongst a native population, but the situation is different in so far as the natives of South Africa are primitive people, not, like the Egyptians, representatives of an ancient civilization of which the European immigrants stood in a certain awe. In that respect, India seems more analogous to Ptolemaic Egypt, but India again is unlike in the other respect — that the Europeans have not settled in the country as their permanent home, but are only a transient community of officials and soldiers and merchants. And there were two important regards in which the relation between European and native in Ptolemaic Egypt differed from the relation between European and native to‑day. In the first place, although the Greeks and Macedonians held themselves the superior type of humanity, the ordinary Greek or Macedonian settler (it may have been otherwise with the great families) had no horror of intermarriage with Egyptian women.9 Since the Greeks and Macedonians largely came into the country as soldiers, the men amongst them must have been very much more numerous than women. Many of them, we know from the papyri, had European wives, but the supply of European wives can hardly have gone round. Many Greeks and Macedonians married natives. From this continual mixture of blood, the racial difference in Ptolemaic Egypt grew less and less with succeeding generations. Large numbers of people later on who called themselves Greeks were mainly Egyptian in blood.a In the three Greek cities, indeed, it was probably illegal for the members of the citizen-body to contact marriages with natives, and the citizens of these cities may be thought of as retaining their pure Hellenic stock through the Ptolemaic period. But it was otherwise with the multitude of Greeks resident in Egypt, who did not belong to the citizen-body of one of the three cities, whether they were domiciled in the cities or had their homes in some Egyptian town or village.

The other great difference between the relation of Greek to Egyptian in Ptolemaic Egypt and relation of "white man" to "native" to‑day is in the sphere of religion. Modern European civilization has not been shaped by the Hellenic tradition alone; it has been all shaped by Christianity, and there an element has come into it which was quite absent from the mind of ancient Greeks. The Greek's religion made none of the exclusive claims made by Christianity — or by the parent of Christianity, the Hebrew religion, which the Ptolemaic Greek did have continually presented to his eyes. There was nothing in the Greek's p88religion to make him regard the Egyptian religion as heathenish or as idolatrous or as a religion essentially inferior to his own. On the contrary, he was very much impressed by its mysteriousness and its immense antiquity, though to the Romans, and perhaps to some Greeks, the worship of animals or of semi-animal gods seemed ridiculous. The divine power was, to the mind of the ancient Greek, something so vague and incalculable that some barbarian religious rite, even if you did not see the reason of it, might bring you good luck. It was just as well, as a matter of prudence, to propitiate any god in whom your neighbours believed, especially if you were living in the place where he had been worshipped for countless generations. The mixed Greco-Egyptian race which sprang up through intermarriage would absorb a good deal of popular Egyptian religion through the Egyptian mothers. The awe felt towards Egyptian religion was quite compatible with a brief in the superiority of Greek culture for all ordinary purposes of the world and values of life. A papyrus from the Fayûm of the middle of the 3rd century B.C. shows us the daughters of a Greek father from Cyrene, Demetrius, and an Egyptian mother, Thasis, dedicating a shrine to the Egyptian hippopotamus-goddess Thuēris.12 The daughters have both Greek and Egyptian names. At a still earlier date (285‑284) in the reign of the first Ptolemy, we find a Greek woman at Elephantine, Callista of Temnos, using as her seal a scarab with the Egyptian god Thoth engraved upon it in the figure of an ape.13

God, the Logos, the Holy Ghost, reason, and the angels; in the second the world and man (including the incarnation of the Logos, the soul, free will, and eschatology); in the third, the doctrine of sin and redemption; and in the fourth, the Scriptures; the whole being concluded with a résumé of the entire system. The work is noteworthy as the first endeavor to present Christianity as a complete theory of the universe, and was designed to remove the difficulties felt by many Christians concerning the essential basis of their faith.

It's obvious in researching this, who wrote the history. However, there are clues which may lead to the truth, so I'll continue to post incomplete information for the possible clues it may contain:

This society did not implode or collapse due to any type of internal weakness, although it never really enjoyed widespread popularity among the Egyptian population but fell to a superior military power. This cultural synthesis inspired the work of the Jewish philosopher, Philo of Alexandria and produced the cultural context in which Gnosticism later flourished. Against the view of some that multiculturalism is a chimera, the Ptolemaic period of Egypt's history can be examined as an example of a flourishing, vibrant polity.

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/...

Legacy

Ptolemy I's legacy lived on in the dynasty he founded and in the tradition of cultural patronage and cultural fusion which he initiated. A flourishing center of learning and scholarship, Ptolemaic Egypt gave the world the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible, important developments in mathematics and medicine and its greatest library, sadly destroyed. We continue to be indebted to the Ptolemies for much of what we know about Ancient Egypt, since accounts written under their patronage recorded the history of Egypt and include the lists of 30 dynasties. The synthesis of Greek and Egyptian customs, beliefs and practices created by Ptolemy I and his heirs remains a subject for study and research. This society did not implode or collapse due to any type of internal weakness, although it never really enjoyed widespread popularity among the Egyptian population but fell to a superior military power. This cultural synthesis inspired the work of the Jewish philosopher, Philo of Alexandria and produced the cultural context in which Gnosticism later flourished. Against the view of some that multiculturalism is a chimera, the Ptolemaic period of Egypt's history can be examined as an example of a flourishing, vibrant polity.

Fictional portrayals

* Ptolemy was played by Vergilio Teixeira in the film Alexander the Great (1956) and by Robert Earley, Elliot Cowan, and Anthony Hopkins in the Oliver Stone film Alexander (2004).[14]

* L. Sprague de Camp's novel The Bronze God of Rhodes features Ptolemy as a minor character.[15] He also appears in Harry Turtledove's novel The Gryphon's Skull.[16]

* Duncan Sprott's novel The Ptolemies features Ptolemy as a central character and founder of the Ptolemaic Dynasty.

* Jonathan Stroud's The Bartimaeus Trilogy.

* Ptolemy appears as a character in Mary Renault's novels Fire From Heaven, The Persian Boy, and Funeral Games. He also appears in her non-fiction work The Nature of Alexander.

* Ptolemy is one of the minor characters in the historical novel Roxana Romance by A. J. Cave with the Hellenic spelling of Ptolemaios.
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/...
thanks adam

SO THE WHITE MAN PUT HIS GOD in with ours and when it was time for worship we worshiped this false god ,ptolemy set into laws that the people could not build any temples to worship their god( my ancestry)so they ended up worshiping this white mans false god and following his way of life and his teachings because in order to control their bodys that had to control there minds through worshiping of a false god and if you got caught worshiping the real gods youd be punishes What was the price they paid for refusal....these priests and priestesses, these black brothers and sisters who refused to capitulate to the disrepectful request made of them by the white savage Ptolemy I. Soter (SAVIOUR)?

IS THIS IN THE BOOK OF DANIELS ?

Have youever seen two fighters throw a punch at the same time and knock each other out? That would be David and Adam (our 'savage' in residence). The material you have just posted is "knock-out material" of commensurate stature. You both get an A+ on what you've jut posted. You also get an A+ for your interpretation of the information.....and I'm telling the both of you now.....I'm stealing that stuff. You guys are goood (smile). As Mr T. would say...."I pity the fool' that comes up against either of you in a debate. You're going to say the name 'Soter' and they are going to cock their heads to the side with a quisitive look on their faces....and that's when you're going to know ....they don't have the slightest clue of what youre talking about.....why? They've never been introduced to the 'historical record'.....only 'religious tradition'; that's like someone who only knows arithmetic going up against someone who's mastered calculus and physics.....THERE IS NO COMPETITION. This is the very reason the historical record is never TAUGHT; it exists as you all have seen for your very own selves, with your very own eyes.....BUT YOU WERE NEVER TAUGHT IT! That's called 'HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT'. This is what must know. All of the correct, accurate, precise answers are there....but if there is no one qualified to show you ....YOU WILL NEVER SEE IT, and you will go from the cradle to the grave not knowing........but not if I can help it....and I will. David and Adam....i don't know how you guys are finding this stuff much of which I've never seen myself....but I thank you both....for adding to my collection.....I'm taking all of it. That stuff is priceless. I confess...I'm gett'n a little jealous over here. You guys are posting some 'hay makers'. Pardon me as I download that stuff. Need it for a class I'm teaching on Monday. You guys are research beasts. Loooooove it.

It get's good tonight, very good....all of you....take solace in the fact that you are closing in on the very beginnings of the bible. Without this foundation you would always be suspended in 'thin air'. We don't do 'thin air' and 'Most Highs'; as responsible human beings with no ulterior motives and no hidden adenda, we do the 'historical record'....and we take no prisoners. That is your creed. Live by it. Your relationship with God is a personal one and should never be discussed or debated as that is not what we are here o debate because as i have just intimated, that is personal affair between your creator and yourself. We are here to bring Truth to our lives as it is what we value most (this is an African cultural imperative), and to the lives of those looking for it....and I can assure you .....there are many....multitudes. But you cannot furnish them with what you do not yet possess in full. This and only this is our goal. Stay the course.

5.1 Formative elements of Hermetism.

the Hermetical lament

"A time will come, when it will seem that in vain the Egyptians have honoured their gods with pious mind and with assiduous service. All their holy worship will fail inefficaciously, will be deprived of its fruit. The gods leaving the Earth will go back to heaven ; they will abandon Egypt ; this land, once the home of sacred liturgies, will be widowed of its gods and no longer profit from their presence. Strangers will fill this country, and not only will there no longer be care for religious observances, but, a yet more painful thing, it will be laid down under so-called laws, under pain of punishments, that all must abstain from acts of piety or cult towards the gods. Then this very holy land, home of sanctuaries and temple, will be all covered with tombs and the dead. O Egypt, Egypt, of your cults only fables will remain and later, your children will no longer believe in them ; nothing will be left but words carved in stone to tell of your pious exploits."
Asclepius, 24.

http://www.maat.sofiatopia.org/hermes2.htm...

A very interesting site I've only begun to explore. Here is the main page:

http://www.maat.sofiatopia.org/preface.htm

At he bottom of the page is the link to search, which I did for Ptolemy Soter. Too much to post here, but lots to explore. I'm going to see where this quote from Asclepius leads.

NOW WE GET TO THE GOOD PART ! RELIGION,,,,,RELIGIOSITY ,,,,,,WHY ARE YOU FOLLOWING GOD ! this,,, should teach.. what you think you ... KNOW ABOUT THE GOD YOU SERVE LETS look back at THE HISTORY OF THIS TEACHING MOMENT if you look at the blogs they have changed to gaining the knowledge of truth before it was information and new now the study has changed ! the BIA shake up ,,I TOLD YOU THINGS WOULD CHANGES AROUND HERE ,,READ SOME OF THE BLOGS THAT HAVE BEEN INFLUENCED BY THIS ,,,, THINKING,,, I CAN ,,SEEK(THE TRUTH ),,,, DISRUPT(BELIEF ) ,,,,AND ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,DESTROY ,,
THE MIND SET OF THE SLAVE,,,,,BUILDING A NATION OF TRUTH !

Now we get to the nitty gitty. I have been saying to anybody who wanted to question faith that through the many translations, we don't know what God, Jesus, Paul matthew, Mark Luke, Judas, John or any of the others "AKA) "Also known as) " said or if they said anything. I wish some of those who asked me to teach Blacks in the bible and then told me I was crazy because I said according to the text they held holy, said that he was. I can hardly wait.

If we build a nation of truth, we won't need the interlopers to give us S. Carolina to Canada and establish borders. Truth will do just that. Once the house of cards (Ignorance) tumbles, it ill all be our. It is already mine.

The Nag Hammadi Library, a collection of thirteen ancient codices containing over fifty texts, was discovered in upper Egypt in 1945. This immensely important discovery includes a large number of primary Gnostic scriptures -- texts once thought to have been entirely destroyed during the early Christian struggle to define "orthodoxy" -- scriptures such as the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Philip, and the Gospel of Truth.

Was my quote/link to this deemed irrelevant? Was it intentionally deleted? If so, why?

@ David


You basically said it all.


@ Thomasina

Vengeance will be yours in it's utter entirety....youve my word on that.



@David...i'm unaware of any of your posts being deleted, but if they referred to the so-called Gospels....then I would highly suggest you wait on that period as you will find long before we arrive there they will be even unnecessary to mention. What can exist, stand....on top of a lie. Travel with me up the timeline I have exposed you to. Jumping in fornt of it with assumed notions about history will only confuse you. Everything you thinkyou know will only serve to confuse you. I am preparing aleeson plan for my Monday class. When I am done ....I will post....in an explanatory fashion.We will be moving at an appreciable speed. In the meantime.....CONSIDER ALL THAT YOU HAVE LEARNED THAT YOU HITHER TO DID NOT KNOW. MEASURE THAT AGAINST THE THINGS THAT ARE ABOUT TO BE REVEALED TO YOU....AND IT PAILS IN COMPARISON. WE JUST HADTO LAY THE GROUNDWORK IN ORDER FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IS COME. YOUR TIME HASNOT BEEN WAISTED...I CAN ASSURE YOU.


IN A WHILE.

Christine,

No, it was a quote about Egypt from Asclepius 21-29 in the Nag Hammadi Library, which I found while still looking for information on what happened to the Egyptian priests who didn't go along with Soter. A Gnostic lament for the lost culture of Egypt, as I took it. Hence, I thought, of interest.

lets all stop and wait for the lesson to start !
Christiane this the point we stop and read everything we have been through !

As you read this I am preparing to post

The closing down of our Ancestors sacred temples during the reign of Soter, Ptolemy I. completely eliminated the last of the pharaonic sacred institutions of Ancient Egypt. This was the beginning of the the erosion of the Spiritual unity that the Ancient Egyptian priesthood had tried to keep in place in Egypt during this time.

The passing of this law forced the priests and priestesses TO USE THEIR HOMES for Spiritual purposes. The law stayed in effect until the time of the Roman ruler Justinian I. NOW PAY ATTENTION.....HERE WE GO:

Subsequent to the closing of our Ancestors sacred temples throughout Egypt Ptolemy I. SOTER (SAVIOR), THE SAVAGE WHITE GREEK, ALEXANDER'S SUCCESSOR..... CONFISCATED ALL OF THEIR DIVINE AND SACRED INSPIRED WRITINGS WHICH WERE WRITTEN ON PAPYRUS SCROLLS, AND PROCEEDED TO STORE THEM IN THE ONE REMAINING TEMPLE IN MEMPHIS, EGYPT!!!. THIS WAS THE TEMPLE WHERE HIS IMAGE HAD BEEN MADE INTO THE PAGAN GOD SERAPIS. Every Ptolemy ruler, and later Roman rulers, of Egypt sat on the throne AS THE VICAR OF SERAPIS. It was Ptolemy I. Soter's grandson, Ptolemy III. Euergetes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemy_III_Euergetes) who BUILT THE SERAPEUM TEMPLE AND ANNEX BUILDING IN ALEXANDRIA, EGYPT (THE LAND OF YOUR BLACK AFRICAN ANCESTORS) IN 240BCE (read in full the link I just posted and tell me who built the Serapeum). Would you like to see the Serapeum? Ok....here it is (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serapeum), though I myself prefer the more dramatic photos of this 'shrine' built by the white savage grandson of the white savage Soter on our sacred Ancestral lands in Africa, in honor of a white God that was created in Africa because white people from Greece (now settling in and occupying the land of lower Egypt) felt that God, in the person of Osiris, racially represented in the image of the first branch of humanity, the African race...the Black race...... did not reflect their phenotype (their racial image as pale people, white people). It is this ode to white supremacy on the land of our sacred Ancestors that caused these / this building to come into existence. This a matter of the historical record that does not require faith\or belief.. These are the facts as they happened, Look at this history produced from RACISM.

http://urlm.in/gair

http://urlm.in/gais

http://urlm.in/gait

From here on out....you get the juicy tid-bits

(mythology is cool) religion.... YES!... sorry for the interruption

Adam, did you find out what happened to your post?

Thomasena, it was an excerpt found here:

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/asclep.html

You will need to scroll down a little ways until you see the word Egypt. I am still looking at the material here, as bears on the origin of the Christians. I suspect Christianity came out of Alexandria, not Palestine. I am following the clues.

A serapeum is a temple or other religious institution dedicated to the syncretic Hellenistic-Egyptian god Serapis, who combined aspects of Osiris and Apis in a humanized form that was accepted by the Ptolemaic Greeks of Alexandria. There were several such religious centers, each of which was a serapeion (Greek: Σεραπεῖον) or, in its Latinized form, a serapeum ("seh-rah-peh-um").

You are right. Palestne is late comer.

The Serapeum of Alexandria in Ptolemaic Egypt was a temple built by Ptolemy III (reigned 246–222 BCE) and dedicated to Serapis, the syncretic Hellenistic-Egyptian god who was made the protector of Alexandria. By all detailed accounts, the Serapeum was the largest and most magnificent of all temples in the Greek quarter of Alexandria. Besides the image of the god, the temple precinct housed an offshoot collection of the great Library of Alexandria.[1][2] The geographer Strabo tells that this stood in the west of the city. Nothing now remains above ground.

Excavations at the site of the column of Diocletian in 1944 yielded the foundation deposits of the Temple of Serapis. These are two sets of ten plaques, one each of gold, of silver, of bronze, of faience, of sun-dried Nile mud, and five of opaque glass.[3] The inscription that Ptolemy III Euergetes built the Serapeion, in Greek and hieroglyphs, marks all plaques; evidence suggests that Parmeniskos was assigned as architect.[4] The foundation deposits of a temple dedicated to Harpocrates from the reign of Ptolemy IV were also found within the enclosure walls.[5]
Subterranean galleries beneath the temple were most probably the site of the mysteries of Serapis. In 1895, a black diorite statue representing Serapis in his Apis bull incarnation with the sun-disk between his horns was found at the site; an inscription dates it to the reign of Hadrian (117-38).

Ptolemaic Egypt began when Ptolemy I Soter declared himself Pharaoh of Egypt in 305 BC and ended with the death of queen Cleopatra of Egypt and the Roman conquest in 30 BC. The Ptolemaic Kingdom was a powerful Hellenistic state, extending from southern Syria in the east, to Cyrene to the west, and south to the frontier with Nubia. Alexandria became the capital city and a center of Greek culture and trade. To gain recognition by the native Egyptian populace, they named themselves as the successors to the Pharaohs. The later Ptolemies took on Egyptian traditions, had themselves portrayed on public monuments in Egyptian style and dress, and participated in Egyptian religious life.[1][2] Hellenistic culture continued to thrive in Egypt well after the Muslim conquest. The Ptolemies faced rebellions of native Egyptians often caused by an unwanted regime and were involved in foreign and civil wars that led to the decline of the kingdom and its annexation by Rome.

It is late in the 4th century AD and Zachary, a young Greek from Alexandria, has decided to become a hermit. Spurned in love, he ventures to the fringe of the desert to join a colony of Christians. At the colony, Zachary learns from a fascinating mix of individuals who help him take his first steps on the road to spiritual perfection. But an untimely return to Alexandria to join in an attack on a pagan temple pulls him off course, and he falls victim to anger, drunkenness and lechery. Agonised with remorse for his sins, Zachary sets out alone into the deepest desert to wager his very life against his hope of salvation.

Don't go so fast; there is a political side to this and the God part is to creat fear to control the rebels and to help in the conquest. Hang in there; Christine is not through. It WILL be good.

I DONT WANT TO GO PASS THE STUDY BUT I HAVE UNCOVERED A LOT OF INFO
however with respect to christine i will hold up and let her teach ! we must stat the course
and not jump the gun or go too far !

Thomasena, that bridge was meant to be destroyed, by the canonization of the bible and the destruction of contrary records. But their destruction was not complete, and we now have science on our side. I am reading the gospel of Thomas, while I wait for Christine.

i can truly say the battle with islam and this study has open my eyes
thanks again Christine for accepting my request to come and enlighten the people !

"There is a bridge between this information and the establishment of christianity still to be discovered."


Queen Thomasina said it all. You are approaching the bridge....but you must appreciate the road that leads to it so that, when it is your turn to lead someone back across that bridge and down that road back to Alexander and beyond to Osiris...regardless of which side of the bridge you find yourselves on.....YOU WILL NEVER BE ..........LOST. Anytime you start from an incorrect starting point...YOU WILL BE DISORIENTED, MISLED AND LOST. I have furnished you with an unassailable starting point. Never abandon it for another, unless you wish to come up against me....and I can promise you....I will pull that historically obsolete premise out fromunder your feet and you will bang your head on thee "I told you so" table (smile). Reread this entire instruction if you must, but always remember your starting point...that is your sectret weapon....your adversary is without it. He or she will be as a 'plaything' for you, a historical 'workout' for you....so to speak. Deviate at your own risk. Take away EVERYTHING I have made known in this forum and see what you are left with, that is the difference between winning and losing the debate irrespective of who your adversary may be.

im loving it !

¢¾3000+ hits.....unbelievable.... in 2 weeks!!

Jesus as a single individual serving as a single necessary kernel for the Jesus figure didn't exist, and postulating him introduces horrible complexities and unlikelihoods into a historical reconstruction of the origins of early Christianity. The same is true of all of his gang -- Paul, John, James, Mary, Mary, Mary, the other Maries, and the crowd of confusingly named disciples and apostles, and Judas. Probably strike out Ignatius and others too.

The kind of modern scholarship that begins with an optimistic assumption of historicity immediately makes a colossal category error of the first degree, completely misunderstanding what kind of thing early Christianity was. van Eysinga's article "Does Jesus Live or Did He Only Live Once?" raises this question and answers with a correct but insufficiently detailed answer.

van den Bergh van Eysinga, 1930

Does Jesus Live or Did He Only Live Once?

http://www.egodeath.com/eysingadoesjesusli...

What kind of thing was early Christianity? That is the direction of questioning which the question of the historicity of Jesus must properly lead to. Christianity was, overall, a socio-politically styled expression of the standard Hellenistic or Greco-Roman philosophy-religion-mysticism, which was an experiential gnosis.

What kind of thing was this standard Hellenistic experiential gnosis? The trigger for such experiential gnosis was Dionysus' mixing bowl, in which mixed wine was mixed. The resulting intense mystic altered state involved personal power being trumped by the feeling of vertical determinism -- an imprisonment and subjugation experience -- followed by release back into the ordinary accustomed feeling of personal sovereignty.

All the terms in the Bible have to be read first and foremost in an allegorical sense, where allegory is understood to serve above all as description of aspects of the intense mystic altered state, or experiential gnosis. This includes concepts such as martyrdom, sacrifice of one's firstborn child, resurrection, reincarnation, the Jews, the law, salvation, prophecy, repentance, heaven, death, eternal life, king, possession, demons, healing, the end of time, and kingdom of God.

The Dutch Radical Critics focused on questioning the historicity of the two main pillars for the literalist error: Jesus and Paul, "the evangelist". The correct view of the nature of Christianity, of what Christianity was about, is an emperor-worship styled set of metaphors for intense mystic-state experiences, concerning the experience of mystic death and entering into the more lasting, stable, imperishable mode of transformed thinking about the nature of self and self-power -- rather than a literalist big bang miracle of bodily resurrection and going to heaven upon literal bodily death.

Starting with the axiomatic assumption that Christianity was metaphor for Dionysian intense altered-state experiencing, the simplest assumption to start with is that all the Bible figures are mythic allegorical figures, including Jesus, Paul, Mary "John" Magdalene, Peter, James, the Virgin Mary, and the apostles.

It's much easier to list the Bible characters who *are* based on a single historical individual serving as a lone kernel, than to list the characters who are essentially mythical and are only very loosely based on an abstraction of traits from various historical individuals. Even those who are based on a single historical individual, such as the figure of Pontius Pilate, are characterized so ironically, the result is sometimes a comically inverted misdrawing of the historical individual's reputed character.

The books in the New Testament are generally placed in reverse order; the gradual hyper-reification of Jesus and crew is seen clearly when the books are reversed:

First conceived was Revelation, clearly concerned with visionary-state description.

Then the Paul figure with his writings about the mystic-only Christ.

Then the essence of John was conceived.

Then Mark was conceived, the most gnosis-oriented of the synoptics.

Then Luke and Matthew.

Then Acts.

Then the bunk, later, Catholic Hierarchy letters.

Arguments about dating the gospels can go on forever until we keep in mind that *all* of the gospels were heavily redacted over a long time, so that they all contain relatively early content and relatively late revisions, so that any simplistic single date on a gospel immediately commits the main category error of misunderstanding what kind of thing Christianity was, and what the character and duration of the process was in constructing the writings as we have received them.

If you believe the big bang theory of Christianity, then it makes sense to talk simplistically about the date at which a gospel was written. If not, then the story inherently becomes too complex to talk simply about the date of a gospel; one must talk about the developmental history of each gospel over a longer period.

http://www.egodeath.com/NoHistoricalPaul.h...

what is this adam ??

Waiting for Christine, but in the mean time working from the other direction back towards the Egyptian beginnings. Serapis became associated with Dionysus, who became associated with gnosis, etc. Eventually we will end up back where we started, with Christine's links to Walter Williams.

lets see what direction she wants to go in i will call her and see !

"It is better to identify Osiris with Dionysus and Serapis with Osiris, who received this appellation at the time when he changed his nature. For this reason Serapis is a god of all peoples in common, even as Osiris is; and this they who have participated in the holy rites well know.” - Plutarch, On Isis and Osiris

okay

oooo cna't wait until we get to christianity.... but there's alot to get to first.... Im patient! Right now... Im reading on the Rastafarian Religion!!

its all good lets study and be good students so when the teacher shows up we will be ready
its a beautiful thing when we can learn in one accord !

Adam was correct...he successfully reached 'Dionysus', on his own. David is correct....moving as a body we can appreciate the scenic route in a much more comprehensive fashion....and all share in a panoramic view of what is being illustrated. The presumptuous behaviour of our savage in 'residence' (that would be Adam) is proof positive that once you drop a competent person down in unfamiliar territiory....provided with the proper orientation (as orientation is everything) they can make it out of the 'forest of confusion/ignorance' on their own. Such is the power of the historical record. Ok savage....another stripe is yours. Coming in the opposite direction I will be reaching Dionysus shortly. What you are witnessing is something rare, two individuals walking on the same historical 'record/road' walking towards one anonther. Adam, posit nothing else of the sort; why? Because I want everyone to see what has just occured. I am now going to lead up to Dionysus exactly from where I left off so that the seam remains unbroken ....for those who would be the best....there can be no gaps for that is where you will undoubtedly find............ defeat, and we do not do, 'defeat'. I will continue this evening. Dionysus will be waiting...as 'he' is nothing more than a stop on the road."

We have the brightest of savages in our midst. Take pride....as we do not, and will not suffer the stupid ones. Adam is participating in the return to you all of something very, very, very precious that was taken from you by his remote savage ancestors long before your great great grandparent's grandparents were even a thought in their great great grandparent's, great great grandparent's minds. Your special Truth as Black people was stolen from you at a time so far back in the distance of the remote past that it is beyond the pale of priests, preacher's, pastor's, reverends and ministers, bishops and the like who preach a doctrine which they know not as historical Truth when it in point of historical fact (as regards the historical record) as prescribed and as manufactured as any psychotropic drug one can procure over the counter of a Walmart pharmacy.

"It is better to identify Osiris with Dionysus and Serapis with Osiris, who received this appellation at the time when he changed his nature. For this reason Serapis is a god of all peoples in common, even as Osiris is; and this they who have participated in the holy rites well know.” - Plutarch, On Isis and Osiris

If Plutarch had lived in the 6th century AD he would have included in those Gods to be identified with and as Osiris.....a one 'Jesus the christ'.
Always remember and NEVER forget as Black People, as Africans, that at the center of all of your confusion and alienation from yourselve's, the universe and the very God you seek is ALL that is ............GREEK AND ROMAN. Until you understand that with the attendant gravity that accompanies such a factual statement all else which you believe to be true will only serve to keep you in a state of profound ignorance. What can a two year old child teach a fully functional adult about Mathematics, Astronomy, geography, science, medicine, religion, philosophy? Absolutely nothing!!! Then I submit to you all.....what can the last branch of humanity to enter the arena called civilization (ie.the white race, the so-called 'European race') teach the first branch of humanity (the black race, the African race, the first and oldest race) about such things which they themselves (ie . your Black African Ancestors back in Africa) created? N.O.T.H.I.N.G.!!! All which they teach you now....particularly the sciences and the maths.....THEY STOLE FROM YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE. This is the very reason why the Black African priest in Ancient Egypt said to the Greek Solon millenniums ago these very words:


"but the oldest one among the Egyptian Priests exclaimed: "Solon, Solon, you Greeks are always children; there are no old men in Greece!!! "What are you trying to say?" asked Solon. "You are young in Spirit' replied the Egyptian Priest,for you possess no truly antique tradition, no notion gray with time..."

Plato, Timeus 22-23

Translation? White folks are too stupid to teach. This was in fact the attitude of your African Ancestors in Ancient Egypt...until they were forced to teach the Greeks and the Romans (ie. miscegenated mulattos and whites)...at the end of a sword and a garrison. In point of fact as regards the historical record it was Uncle Tom, sell out 'Pharaohs' placed in power by Persians when Egypt was under Persian rule who allowed the Greeks to study in Africa (in Ancient Egypt in the first place) in return for helping them to drive out the Assyrians:

"In 654 BCE, Psammetichus drove the Assyrians with the help of Greek mercenaries
The illustrious names of Psammetichus, Necho, and Amasis, of the 26th dynasty in Sais, are known to every reader of Herodotus. on one hand, these kings rewarded the Greeks, by allowing them to learn in Egypt, which was the direct cause of the sudden appearance of 'Greek Minds'."


Black people. The white man stole your knowledge and has been impersonating you on the world stage ever since....and doing a very poor job of it I might add.
What is scary however is how quickly we are willing to take our cue from them as legitimate purveyors of anything else other than the death and destruction they have heaped upon the world ever since the time of the arrival. The walls we constructed to keep them locked up in the Caucasus regions (from whence they recieved the nomenclature 'Caucasian') is another part of the historical record few will ever be introduced to (http://urlm.in/gara). There are savages in your midst with nice haircuts and high priced slaves of all colors (of which you may very well be one)....but they are savages nonetheless I can assure you:

"I have also known that Herodotus and others ascribe the ORIGIN of GEOMETRY to the Egyptian, but the period when it commenced is uncertain. Anticledes PRETENDS that Merois was the first to lay down the elements of that science, which he says was perfected by Pythagoras; but the latter observation is merely the result of the vanity of the Greeks which CLAIMED for their countrymen (as in the case of Thales, and other instances) the credit of enlightening a people on the very subject which THEY HAD VISITED EGYPT FOR THE PURPOSE OF STUDYING"

THE ANCIENT HISTORY, Sir J.G. Wilkonson
Vol. II, p. 319
A HISTORY OF EGYPT, James H. Breasted, p.100



The historical record will whip your ass............everytime.


Now we will continue...where I left off from. The seam and the stream will remain.....unbroken.

Understood Christine. I will do better and contain my excitement.

christine
hi can you tell of what this means to you a powerful black sister writing a book of knowledge and wisdom ?
YOU are a beast with the way you are flowing this scholarship this is more then what BIA needs BUT this should be the format to the website ....give BIRTH TOO !
TO KNOWLEDGE !
MEANS LETTING KNOWLEDGE BE BORN !,,,,th

awesome!!! great job everybody....
everyone's scholarship and wisdom surpasses mine.... Im waiting for a topic I can dive into....
But I am reading .... Im downloading all of this tomorrow.... I like to read and disgest slowly... all of this is a mouth full.....

Christine I must admit... I was very hestitant in the beginning....
NOW... Im blown away!!

Im with everyone.... (the rastafarian thing is a lil sumn sumn Im working with on the side)...

The Sabaean people were South Arabian people. Each of these had regional kingdoms in ancient Yemen, with the Minaeans in the north along the Red sea, the Sabeans on the south western tip, stretching from the highlands to the sea, the Qatabanians to the east of them and the Hadramites east of them.

The Sabaeans, like the other Yemenite kingdoms of the same period, were involved in the extremely lucrative spice trade, especially frankincense and myrrh.[2]

They left behind many inscriptions in the monumental Musnad (Old South Arabian) alphabet, as well as numerous documents in the cursive Zabur script.

In the Res Gestae Divi Augusti, Augustus claims that:

By my command and under my auspices of two armies were led at about the same time into Ethiopia and into Arabia, which is called the Blessed [?]. Great forces of each enemy people were slain in battle and several towns captured. In Ethiopia the advance reached the town of Nabata, which is close to Meroe; in Arabia the army penetrated as far as the territory of the Sabaeans and the town of Mariba.[3]

i have been studying for real !

AND I HAVE BEEN GETTING QUITE A REFRESHER COURSE!!! GOOD JOB BROTHERS AND SISTERS!!! GOOD JOB!!

I warn you all...it gets better

Let us walk together now...as a people. While he is here in our company the savage Adam is under our protection...as he learns...he can teach the other latecomer....'Eve'. We have our own affairs to attend to which predate both Adam and Eve by 3.5 million years. It is no longer necessary forus to squeeze ourselves into such small rooms prescribed for us by Europeans. The European would love to make us disappear from the planet, but in order to this succesfully and in totality he must first make your past disappear....this he has been moderately successful at doing so; Proof? You neither know it nor do you care to investigate how such a topic was made utterly meaningless to you. Now let us all walk together on this road...those of you are Christian, those of you who are Muslim, and those of you who are Hebrew Isrealite. If you are the descendants of Black people...then let's continue in this sacred walk together hand in hand so that we may hold one another up when the false religions fostered upon us by 'latecomer' white savages are pulled from beneath our feet and all we are left standing there with is the stark naked Truth....of the historical record. Let us walk:


Subsequent to the closing of our Ancestors sacred temples throughout Egypt Ptolemy I. SOTER (SAVIOR), THE SAVAGE WHITE GREEK, ALEXANDER'S SUCCESSOR..... CONFISCATED ALL OF THEIR DIVINE AND SACRED INSPIRED WRITINGS WHICH WERE WRITTEN ON PAPYRUS SCROLLS, AND PROCEEDED TO STORE THEM IN THE ONE REMAINING TEMPLE IN MEMPHIS, EGYPT!!!. THIS WAS THE TEMPLE WHERE HIS IMAGE HAD BEEN MADE INTO THE PAGAN GOD SERAPIS. Every Ptolemy ruler, and later Roman rulers, of Egypt sat on the throne AS THE VICAR OF SERAPIS. It was Ptolemy I. Soter's grandson, Ptolemy III. Euergetes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemy_III_Euergetes) who BUILT THE SERAPEUM TEMPLE AND ANNEX BUILDING IN ALEXANDRIA, EGYPT (THE LAND OF YOUR BLACK AFRICAN ANCESTORS) IN 240BCE. Today THIS ANNEX BUILDING IS KNOWN IN HISTORY AS.....THE GREAT LIBRARY OF EGYPT.
This Annex building became the Great Library of Egypt when PTOLEMY III. Euergetes I. TRANSFERRED THE DIVINE SCROLLS OF YOUR BLACK AFRICAN ANCIENT EGYPTIAN ANCESTORS INTO THIS ANNEX BUILDING AFTER REMOVING THEM FROM THE OLD TEMPLE IN MEMPHIS, EGYPT WHERE HIS GRANDFATHER, PTOLEMY I. SOTER, PREVIOUSLY STORED THEM. THUS THE ANNEX BECAME THE GREAT LIBRARY OF EGYPT. This refutes the lie that is told about Alexander the Greek building the Great Library of Egypt to house the supposed thousands of books of the fictitious Aristotle, his supposed teacher. Aristotle is deemed fictitious because the Greeks during the time of antiquity did not have an alphabet nor institutions. After removing the sacred scrolls from the old temple in Memphis, Egypt PTOLEMY III. Euergetes I, began to tear down the old temple to make way for the new temple he was to erect in Memphis, Egypt to honor SERAPIS, called the DIONYSIAN TEMPLE. AS WE GO FURTHER YOU WILL SEE THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE ANNEX BUILDING IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE MAN MADE PAGAN RELIGION CALLED 'CHRISTIANITY'.

As you follow Serapis throughout Ancient Egyptian history,you will find another significant development in the creation of Christianity. At this time in history (197-196 BCE) the sellout Ancient Egyptian priests (your Ancient Egyptian Black African Ancestors) began to worship Serapis as God. and at the same time giving honor to Ptolemy V, EPIPHANES (EUCHARITOS), the Vicar of Serapis. The worship of Serapis and the honor given to Ptolemy V, EPIPHANES (EUCHARITOS) was created by a new generationof 'sell out Ancient Egyptian priests (again, your Ancient Egyptian Black African Ancestors) who comprised the general council of Priests and Priestesses in the Dionysian Temple in Memphis, Egypt. This honor to Ptolemy V was created to celebrate the first commemoration of the coronation of Ptolemy V, the King of Egypt and to give thanks for the many favors given by him to the 'uncle tom' 'sell out' priest society who by now had created their own boule'/ inner circle, in service of the white savages now ruling the sacred land of our Black African Ancestors in Ancient Egypt.The commemoration ceremony also established for the first time in history the religious ritual called the..... EUCHARIST. THIS RITUAL WAS ALSO MADE PART OF PTOLEMY V EPIPHANES' TITLE, WHICH WAS .....EUCHARISTOS.

Am I making this up? I promised you my students would be the best....if you would be the best of the best then read this, this is what was written on the Rosetta Stone...this is the stone that allowed for efforts to be made at deciphering the Ancient Egyptian Hieroglyphics (ie. the Medu Neter or 'Words of God') ask your idiot pastor to do a sermon on it this coming Sunday:

In the reign of the young one—who has received the royalty from his father—lord of crowns, glorious, who has established Egypt, and is pious towards the gods, superior to his foes, who has restored the civilized life of men, lord of the Thirty Years' Feasts, even as Hephaistos the Great; a king, like the Sun, the great king of the upper and lower regions; offspring of the Gods Philopatores, one whom Hephaistos has approved, to whom the Sun has given the victory, the living image of Zeus, son of the Sun, Ptolemy living-for‑ever beloved of Ptah; in the ninth year, when Aëtus, son of Aëtus, was priest of Alexander ...;

The chief priests and prophets and those that enter the inner shrine for the robing of the gods, and the feather-bearers and the sacred scribes, and all the other priests ... being assembled in the temple in Memphis on this day, declared:

Since king Ptolemy, the everliving, the beloved of Ptah, the God Epiphanes Eucharistos, the son of king Ptolemy and queen Arsinoe, Gods Philopatores, has much benefited both the temples and those that dwell in them, as well as all those that are his subjects, being a god sprung from a god and goddess (like Horus, the son of Isis and Osiris, who avenged his father Osiris), and being benevolently disposed towards the gods, has dedicated to the temples revenues in money and corn, and has undertaken much outlay to bring Egypt into prosperity, and to establish the temples, and has been generous with all his own means, and of the revenues and taxes which he receives from Egypt some has wholly remitted and others has lightened, in order that the people and all the rest might be in prosperity during his reign ...;

"It seemed good to the priests of all the temples in the land to increase greatly the existing honours of king Ptolemy, the everliving, the beloved of Ptah ... And a feast shall be kept for king Ptolemy, the everliving, the beloved of Ptah, the God Epiphanes Eucharistos, yearly in all the temples of the land from the first of Thoth for five days; in which they shall wear garlands, and perform sacrifices, and the other usual honours; and the priests shall be called priests of the God Epiphanes Eucharistos in addition to the names of the other gods whom they serve; and his priesthood shall be entered upon all formal documents and private individuals shall also be allowed to keep the feast and set up the aforementioned shrine, and have it in their houses, performing the customary honours at the feasts, both monthly and yearly, in order that it may be known to all that the men of Egypt magnify and honour the God Epiphanes Eucharistos the king, according to the law."


The House of Ptolemy
Bevan, E. R. (1927)
Wikipedia; Scroll down to the section where it says 'Memphis decree and its context' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_Stone)

This is the source: LOOK AT IT AFRICANS...NEVER ALLOW A PASTOR OF ANYONE ELSE TO LIE TO YOU AND CONFUSE YOU AGAIN.
They are a sick people....that's right...I said it, 'sick' and I did not studder; sick because ignorance is a disease of the mind....and it is HIGHLY CONTAGIOUS.
(http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Gazetteer/Places/Africa/Egypt/_Texts/BEVHOP/home.html)

When I'm done with you none of your Church going family will recognized the look in your eyes....for it will be the look of Truth....something they have never seen nor known even when it stares them straight in the face everyday as it does all of us....but without the knowledge of what you now know.....they can neither recognize nor identify Truth as you all are now able to do so. Your homework is to read EVERY link I've just posted. It gets better. Dave, you and Adam may post your extracurricular findings just stay on post. the Queens present may do so as well should they choose to do so. Again....stay on topic....everyone. You are doing this for your families...for your churches where you will be hated for sharing what you know. The real holy rollers in your churches will revile you and beg for Ponchas Pilate Pastor to crucify you. And trust me there are more ways to crucify someone than simply 'nailing them on a cross' (which the Romans NEVER did by the way).
When you possess the Truth you will see what it is like to be hated by those who profess 'Divine Love'. There will be no divine love for you....only screams from the crowds saying "Crucify her"!!! "Crucify him". You will begin to understand the personal intimate Truths surviving in your Bibles. You will truly be able to IDENTIFY WITH your precious Jesus when we are done. Now. Do your homework.

If the liinks are not activated that should not prevent you from copying and pasting them in your 'Address bar'. No excuses for not exposing yourselves to the information I'm presenting .....on a platter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_Stone


http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Gaze...

Now..they are activated

This honor, the Eucharist, became the first order of services set aside in the religious temples that honored Searapis, such as the Dionysian Temple in Mempis, Egypt, the Serapeum in Alexandria Egypt, and the Temple of Serapis at Canopus, as well as military installations throughout the land area ruled by the Ptolemies and later the Romans. This Eucharist, bestowed upon Ptolemy V, Epiphanes, and Serapis, is still being used today by the Roman Catholic Church in it's opening ritual service called the Mass / Communion Service (smile).

The Roman Catholic Church through it's teaching of Christian theology has decieved the world population by teaching the believer to believe that the ritual called the Consecrated Eucharist which was a ritual created by the Dyophysitic Egyptian 'Christians' is the 'Lord Last Supper', ie., Serapis/Christ surrounded by 12 other European images at a banquet table supposedly eating the "Last Supper". This Eucharist as commemorated to Ptolemy V, Epiphanes (EUCHARISTOS) and the image of Serapis has nothing to do with todays meaning of the Consecrated Eucharist. The question has to be asked how was the ritual originall used? During and after the commemoration to Ptolemy V, Epiphanes, and Serapis, the sell out faction Egyptian priesthood (the uncle toms of antiquity) and the Greek occupants of Egypt, gave recognition to Serapis and Ptolemy V, Epiphanes, the VICAR OF SERAPIS, for the many favors bestowed by Ptolemy V Epiphanes in the name of ....SERAPIS. TO MAKE WAY FOR THE STRONG COMMEMORATION TO PTOLEMY V, EPIPHANES, AND SERAPIS, THE SELL OUT PRIESTS OF EGYPT (IN MEMPHIS EGYPT) REMOVED ALL OFTHE OTHER REMAINING BLACK ANCIENT EGYPTIAN DEITIES FROM THE THREE TEMPLES HONORING THE WHITE SERAPIS. THIS LEFT ONLY THE WHITE SERAPIS ICON/IMAGE TO BE WORSHIPPED.

THIS BLACK PEOPLE IS HOW YOU CAME TO WORSHIP WHITE PEOPLE. BECAUSE SOME OF YOUR OWN BERTAYED YOU. THIS IS WHY YOU MUST HAVE A NO NONSENSE POLICY WHEN DEALING WITH BLACK OFFICIALS WHO CLAIM TO REPRESENT YOUR INTEREST BE THEY CLERGY OR OTHERWISE....BUT AS THE HISTORICAL RECORD HAS ADMONISHED US....WE SHOULD ESPECIALLY KEEP A WATCHFUL EYE....WHEN IT' 'IS' CLERGY....PARTICULARLY WHEN IT IS A CLERGICAL BODY UNPREPARED TO:
#1 EMBRACE THEIR ANCESTRAL LEGACY
#2 DENOUNCE THOSE WHO WOULD HAVE YOU WORSHIP GOD IN A RACIAL IMAGE OTHER THAN YOUR OWN
#3 ADMIT THAT THEY HAVE BEEN IN ERROR.

THEY HAVE BEEN INGRAVE ERROR....FOR TWO MILLENNIA OR MORE.

We are just getting started people...I will rest now.
#3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemy_V_Epi...

Read About it....your history black people http://urlm.in/gass

The link above is the missing annals of your history black people. I return it to you. But what does it matter if you do not care to even find out what you went through together as a people, black people ...in Ancient Egypt the blessed Ancestral lands of your people? Compare all that you have learned since we've started and not once have you come across any of the biblical nonsense ignoramuses would try to pass off as the 'historical record'. YOU HAVE NOT BEEN TAUGHT HISTORY!!!!!! YOU HAVE BEEN FURTHER DUMBED DOWN!!!! YES ESPECIALLY IN COLLEGE WHERE THEY FINISH THE FRONTAL LOBOTOMY SO IDIOTS LIKE YOU THINK YOU SALVATION LIES IN DEMOCRATES OR REPUBLICANS!!!!!!!!! NO SUCH ANIMALS EXISTS!!!!! THEY ARE JUST WORDS!!! NOTHING MORE. IT IS STILL A EUROPEAN POWER STRUCTURE DEFINING REALITY FOR YOU ON THEIR OWN TERMS NO MATTER HOW BLACK THE FACE IS THAT SITS IN THEIR TEMPLE/WHITEHOUSE. IT IS STILL PTOLEMY'S HOUSE!!!!! WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!

Christine,

This is like the story of Isis gathering and restoring the pieces of Osiris, dismembered by the evil Set. It must have been Isis preserving the Rosetta Stone, who else? And now the fragments are being found and put back together again.

We owe you an extreme debt of gratitude. I admire your dedication, and more, the thousands of hours I know you have put into uncovering and assembling the truth.

Your work will have it's fruition, I assure you that I for one will add my time and energy to the research and dissemination of the historical record, now you have shown me the origin. There are a multitude of threads to this story, which remain to be followed.

I hate to insert a mundane technical note here, but for the links to be activated there must be a space or newline on either end.

@Fate

"This is like the story of Isis gathering and restoring the pieces of Osiris, dismembered by the evil Set. It must have been Isis preserving the Rosetta Stone, who else?
And now the fragments are being found and put back together again."


Keen observation. Never have I couched it in such terms. Your insight is commended. Apropos...to say the least.


"We owe you an extreme debt of gratitude. I admire your dedication, and more, the thousands of hours I know you have put into uncovering and assembling the truth."


the thousands of hours the thousands of hours the thousands of hours the thousands of hours the thousands of hours the thousands of hours the thousands of hours the thousands of hours the thousands of hours the thousands of hours the thousands of hours the thousands of hours the thousands of hours the thousands of hours ..............need I say more?





"Your work will have it's fruition"


When you white man, Adam Fate are sitting in front of group of ignorant miseducated people be they Black or white, be they youth or be they elders or in between, sharing with them all that I have shared with you, and in your words are inherent the same tone and steadfastness in which I delivered this instruction, regardless of their responses, looks of incredulity, stark disbelief and flat out rejection of you and your savage whiteness; when you can tell this story under such potentially volatile circumstances....without wavering or retreating....one, single solitary iota.....then my work will have known the fruit it desires to produce whereas your presence here is concerned. I am neither ashamed nor abashed to to tell you that you have done well.....thus far.

"I assure you that I for one will add my time and energy to the research and dissemination of the historical record, now you have shown me the origin. There are a multitude of threads to this story, which remain to be followed."

Follow them Adam always and ever cautious of abandoning chronology for something that may suit an ideological preference. You now have a 'traveling pass' to go up and down the road of the historical record. Up until now this has only been the privilige of an alloted few, you may count yourself as one of those priviliged.
Bottom line Adam Fate, Black people had a 3.5 million year head start over white people who have now been on this planet for anywhere from 35-55 thousand years.
Over half of recorded human history had passed before anyone even knew people who had become white (a sign of cursed leprosy to the first peoples of the world, to the first centers of civilization) were now even in the world:

"For the first two or three thousand years of civilization, there was NOT A CIVILIZED WHITE MAN ON EARTH. Civilization was founded and developed by the swarthy races of Egypt, Mesopotamia and and Syria,.. and THE WHITE RACE REMAINED SO BARBARIC that in those days an Egyptian or a Babylonian priest would have said that THE RIFF RAFF OF WHITE TRIBES a few hundred miles to the north of their civilization were hopelessly incapable of aquiring knowledge requisite to progress....."



Bishop William Montgomery Brown
THE BANKRUPTCY OF CHRISTIAN SUPERNATURALISM, Vol.II, p.192
(circa.1927)





I say these things to intimate to you and all in attendance that someone in history decided that such an 'unfair' head start in life was just that...'unfair'. They therefore decided to 'level the playing field' so to speak by despoiling the black creators of civilization, by depriving them of their very past itself; just simply make the 'head start' disappear from the annals of history....creating the way for an illusion up held by whites (and their black and Asian enablers) to this very day, the illusion that they (whites) are anything but what they were when you first arrived on the planet; namely human beings who had degenerated to mutation and savagery.
The current state of this planet is the by product and evidence of savage, infantile, mutants who will seek to maintain control at all costs. The ugliness in our lives is also a by product of that control as well. Welcome to White Supremacy 101. Because you have worked so hard Adam at staunchly looking at the historical record square in the face I will share an exremely rarely seen passage with you here and now...your fellow Black readers will be as equally surprised as you when they read it:


Edward Schure no less surprisingly reports a portion of these legends about early domination by blacks: ".....the Black race ruled the globe......the Blacks invaded Southern Europe during prehistoric times. Their memory has been completely erased from our popular traditions. Nevertheless they have left indelible traces....At the time of their domination, the Blacks had religious centers in Upper Egypt and India. Their GIGANTIC CITIES crenelated the mountains of Africa, Caucasia, and central Asia. Their social organization was an ABSOLUTE THEOCRACY. Their priests possessed profound knowledge, the principle of the divine unity of the universe and the cult of the stars which became Sabaeanism among the Whites....an active industry, especially the art of handling colossal masses of stone by ballistics and of smelting metals in immense furaces worked by prisoners of war....
"The white race had just been awakened by the attacks of the black race which was beginning to invade southern Europe. At first it was slaughter. The whites, half-savage, leaving their forests and lakeside HUTS, had no weapons other than their bows, spears and stone-tipped arrows. The Blacks HAD IRON WEAPONS, bronze armor, all the resources of an INDUSTRIAL CIVILIZATION and THEIR CYCLOPIAN CITIES. Crushed by the first onslaught, the Whites WERE TAKEN INTO CAPTIVITY AND BECAME EN MASSE THE SLAVES OF THE BLACKS, WHO FORCED THEM TO WORK ON STONE AND TO CARRY ORE TO THEIR FURNACES. ESCAPED PRISONERS TOOK BACK TO THE FATHER LAND THE ARTS AND FRAGMENTS OF THE SCIENCE OF THEIR CONQUERORS. FROM THE BLACKS THEY HAD LEARNED TWO ESSENTIALS: THE SMELTING OF METALS, AND SACRED WRITING, HIEROGLYPHICS. WHAT SAVED THE WHITES WAS THEIR FOREST WHERE, LIKE WILD ANIMALS, THEY COULD HIDE AND THEN SPRING OUT AT THE PROPITIOUS MOMENT "

Les Grands Initie's. Paris 1908, pp.6-13




When you see movies such as 'Lord of the Rings', the above passage explains why the hordes and throngs of evil demonic minions of the Evil Lord, those 'evil blacks' who attack the poor whites are all BLACK. This is a distant cultural memory lying beneath the surface of the mind of J. R. R. Tolkien the white writer who penned Lord of the Rings. I highly suggest you all watch the final movie in the trilogy once more. We have forgotten....they have not (smile). Keep in mind that this is merely my personal informed take on the subject matter, lest I keenly remind you that the author who provided the above quoted passage starts off his quote of Schure' by admonishing us that the quote rferences A LEGEND ONLY (but oh what an INTERESTING LEGEND AMONGST THE WHITES)

"Edward Schure no less surprisingly reports a portion of these LEGENDS about early domination by blacks..."


I can see why they no longer pass the legend around amongst themselves.....they would be forced to admit that it was from black people ,whom whites have always claimed were preliterate 'tribes' and 'savages', that they learned SCIENCE and WRITING (amongst many other things I'm sure as we will undoubtedly cover as the instruction commences)

Just thought I'd share (smile).





"I hate to insert a mundane technical note here, but for the links to be activated there must be a space or newline on either end."

That information was necessary....thank you. Enjoy the rest of the ride...it doen't slow down...at any juncture...I assure you.

christine that was powerful ! and i will be buying the book asap

Edward Schure no less surprisingly reports a portion of these legends about early domination by blacks: ".....the Black race ruled the globe......the Blacks invaded Southern Europe during prehistoric times. Their memory has been completely erased from our popular traditions. Nevertheless they have left indelible traces....At the time of their domination, the Blacks had religious centers in Upper Egypt and India. Their GIGANTIC CITIES crenelated the mountains of Africa, Caucasia, and central Asia. Their social organization was an ABSOLUTE THEOCRACY. Their priests possessed profound knowledge, the principle of the divine unity of the universe and the cult of the stars which became Sabaeanism among the Whites....an active industry, especially the art of handling colossal masses of stone by ballistics and of smelting metals in immense furaces worked by prisoners of war....
"The white race had just been awakened by the attacks of the black race which was beginning to invade southern Europe. At first it was slaughter. The whites, half-savage, leaving their forests and lakeside HUTS, had no weapons other than their bows, spears and stone-tipped arrows. The Blacks HAD IRON WEAPONS, bronze armor, all the resources of an INDUSTRIAL CIVILIZATION and THEIR CYCLOPIAN CITIES. Crushed by the first onslaught, the Whites WERE TAKEN INTO CAPTIVITY AND BECAME EN MASSE THE SLAVES OF THE BLACKS, WHO FORCED THEM TO WORK ON STONE AND TO CARRY ORE TO THEIR FURNACES. ESCAPED PRISONERS TOOK BACK TO THE FATHER LAND THE ARTS AND FRAGMENTS OF THE SCIENCE OF THEIR CONQUERORS. FROM THE BLACKS THEY HAD LEARNED TWO ESSENTIALS: THE SMELTING OF METALS, AND SACRED WRITING, HIEROGLYPHICS. WHAT SAVED THE WHITES WAS THEIR FOREST WHERE, LIKE WILD ANIMALS, THEY COULD HIDE AND THEN SPRING OUT AT THE PROPITIOUS MOMENT "

Les Grands Initie's. Paris 1908, pp.6-13
i want this book

David...you're the knowledge beast!!!

Thanks for sharing that Christine. I too am going to read it. Here is a facsimile of the original French publication:

http://www.amazon.com/grands-initi%C3%A9s-...

Fortunately I can still follow the French fairly well. I'm still looking for an English translation.

In Les Grands Initiés Schuré attacked the old idea of an esoteric tradition, the original wisdom of the initiated. Specifically, he dealt with it the life and teachings of Rama, Krishna, Hermes, Moses, Orpheus, Pythagoras, Plato and Jesus, which he described as the great initiates. Behind the philosophies and religions founded by them, he suspected some kind of traditional secret ongoing. Unlike older, going back to Plato variants of this idea Schuré moved the beginning of the chain of transmission from Persia to India (Rama), as well as other mystics of the late 19th Century did (the most significant Madame H.P. Blavatsky). IM GOING TO STOP RIGHT AND WAIT !

HERE IS A LINK THAT IS POWERFUL !
http://www.modernghana.com/newsp/251633/1/...

http://www.flipkart.com/les-grands-inities...
HERE IS A LINK TO ALL OF Edward Schure BOOKS I CANT TELL IF ITS IN ENGLISH OR WHAT

Edward Schure
http://www.deddyanwari.com/search/%C3%89do...

Black Consciousness is an attitude of the mind and a way of life, the most positive call to emanate from the black world for a long time. Its essence is the realisation by the black man of the need to rally together with his brothers around the cause of their oppression - the blackness of their skin - and to operate as a group to rid themselves of the shackles that bind them to perpetual servitude."

THIS JUST IN !
Dr. Kwame Nantambu

"And ye Shall know the Truth and the Truth Shall Make You Free." Holy Bible, John 8:32.

According to Ghanian writer and researcher Nana Banchie Darkwah, "Black Afrikans of ancient Egypt wrote the Holy Bible and the Catholic Church is hiding and supressing this truth."

In his book titled, The Africans who wrote the Bible-Ancient secrets Africa and Christianity Have Never Told, (2002), the author emphatically states that, "the worst lie and sin of the church was the premeditated transformation of the racial and ethnic identities of Jesus Christ, his mother and the entire people of the Bible from the Black people they were to White people, to satisfy emerging European racist sentiments against Black people."

First of all, for one to understand the truth of the above statement and accept it as a fact, that Black Afrikans of Ancient Egypt wrote the Holy Bible, thus, one must dispel the erroneous notion and fabricated lies that Christian Europe, particularly the Roman Catholic Church, have done in painting the ancient Egyptians as pagans, devils, and heathens.

Also, one must understand that Christian Europe's and the Catholic Church's motives for attacking Ancient Egypt in such negative vein, is due to the fact that Ancient Egyptian High priests were the Scribes who wrote what we come to know today as the Holy Bible. As a master-teacher H.M. Maulana points out: "Ancient Egypt from its pre-dynastic period up to its Golden Age of Pyramid building was an unadulterated predominantly Black race of people (3500-2100 B.C.E.).

The descendants of these Ancient Egyptians are living throughout Sub-Saharan Afrika, today, particularly in the nations of Ghana, Nigeria, and Cote d'Ivoire." The very first "Bible", or "Scroll" on record produced by man, with regards to paying honour and divine respect to a "Creator of all Mankind" was that of the Afrikan people of the Nile Valley in Ancient Kemet (Egypt) and Great Lakes regions of Central, East, and Northern Afrika.

The book was called by its Afrikan Creators and developers, The Book of the Coming Forth by Day and Night. It was translated from its original Medu Netcher text into the English language by several Europeans since the latter part of the 19th century A.D. The easiest one to read is called, The Egyptian Book of the Dead. This work was translated by British Egyptologist, Sir Ernest A. Wallis Budge. This original Bible was produced by Black Afrikans approximately 3,400 years before the Old Testament and more than 4,200 years before the New Testament, and countless versions of it have been written and published. According to Darkwah, the "Ancient Egyptians cross is the earliest and most sacred symbol of religion.

Egyptologists who believe they have successfully deciphered Ancient Egyptian Medu Netcher say it is called the Ankh, which means 'Life'." The meaning is correct, however, that is not what the Ancient Egyptians called it. The language from which this word originated is Akan and it actually means Life. This symbol was the Ancient Egyptians' sacred religious symbol that reinforced the cross on which Jesus was crucified,as a sacred Christian symbol. How did this happen?

The early Christian Church of Ancient Egypt adopted the Nkwa symbol as the symbol of their Church and called it Crux Ansata. From here, it was taken to Rome and there it became a Christian symbol with only a slight variation in design. The symbol of Nwka was excavated from the tomb of the Akan King Tutu Ankoma, the boy King of Ancient Egypt, whose name Europeans have corrupted to Tutankhamun or King Tut.

He ruled from 1336-1327B.C.E. Nana Darkwah suggests that the intelligentsia of Ancient Egypt was headed by such ethnic groups as the Akan, Ewe, Ga-Andangbe, Hausa, and Ibo. However, he asserts that the Akan was the main ruling class in Ancient Egypt sincethe majority of Ancient Egyptian Kings had Akan names. He also asserts that, "the early apostolic fathers of Christianity and the Church knew of many things they did not want the Christian masses to know about the background history, content, and people of the Bible."

As a result, the very design of Christianity was based upon protecting the Holy Bible from the lay masses. Until the reformation in the 15th century A.D., therefore, the Holy Bible was secretly guarded and its content was known to only a few in the Church. Because of the perceived need to protect the Holy Bible from the masses, the earliest design and practice of Christianity was based upon placing a cadre of priests between the Holy Bible and the people.

The Afrikan origin of Christianity was common knowledge among western scholars and early apolistic fathers of the Church long before the European Renaissance. This was common knowledge known by the Aryan-Whites in the past and is still known, today.

There have been numerous European scholars who have known and written about the falsehoods, fabrications, and false assumptions in the foundations of Christianity. One such European-American researcher and writer was Gerald Massey, who in his book titled The Natural Genesis: A Book of the Beginnings(1883), called the story and practice of Euro-Christianity: "the legendary lying love." Moreover, in The Aryan Myth: A History of Racist and Nationalistic Ideasin Europe, Leon Poliakov revealed that, "knowledge of the people of the Bible as Black people was common in Europe and in early European scholarship. "James Cowles, by far the most popular anthropologists of the first half of the19th century, elaborated around 1810 implying that "Adam and Eve were Black." And in 1836 a renowned British orientalist, Sir Godfrey Higgins, wrote, The Anaclypsis. Or an inquiry into the Origin of Languages, Nations, and Religions.

He pointed out that the people of the Bible were Black and that in all early Catholic Churches of Europe: "the God Christ, as well as His mother, are described in their old pictures to be Black (peoples). The infant God in the arms of His Black mother, his eyes and drapery white, is himself perfectly Black." In 1875, Kersey Graves wrote a book titled The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors" in which he pointed out from clear evidence in Europe that" Jesus was Black and the people of the Bible were originally Black people."

He wrote as follows: There is as much evidence that the Christian Savior was a Black man, or at least a dark man, as there is of him being the son of the Virgin Mary or that he once lived or moved upon the earth. And that evidence is the testimony of his disciples, who had nearly as good an opportunity of knowing what His complexion was as the evangelists who omit to say anything about it. In the pictures and portraits of Christ by early Christians, He is uniformly represented as being Black." Furthermore, he continues: "The statue of St. Peter inside St. Peter's Basilica in Rome, Italy is a Black man. St. Peter was a Black man.

Thus, Jesus' last words before His execution was that a Black man has the keys to Heaven." According to H.M. Maulana, the aristocracy of Europe has always shown their hatred against the so-called Jewish people, since it was well known in their socio-political and economic circles that these people were of a Black Afrikan origin, who migrated out of Ancient Egypt up into Europe. Due to the negative anthropological ideas and theories of early European scholars against Black Afrikans, thus, the knowledge and reality that theosophy and philosophy, has surely been a major source of social-political embarrassment for Europeans.

The fact of the matter is that the racist and extremist European has always seen the so-called Jewish people with suspicion and contempt vis-à-vis their same contempt and ill-feelings they had towards Sub-Saharan Afrikans. That is to say, historically, the Europeans had no genesis of religion to claim as their own other than what came up "out of Afrika", Christianity, which was brought to them by the so-called Jews. This fact has left the European (Aryan-Whites) with bitterness, enmity, and jealousy against the so-called Jewish people and Afrikans.

Also, this fermented ill-feelings among Europeans that the so-called Jewish people had deliberately deceived them so that the Jews would dominate Europe. According to Darkwah: "This is also the reason no credible reason has been given for the most atrocious massacre of Blacks and Jews in human history." In the final analysis, Afrikan people must know that the "Aryan-White (European) tradition, Apolistic fathers of the Church, theosophical teachings and writings, as well as the Arabs, have all laboured over the past 500years, trying to disconnect Black Afrikans from Ancient Egypt, in order to hide the true identity of the original authors of the Bible and the origin from whence the Bible originated, which was Ancient Egypt."

In essence, then, and in the tradition of European supremacy, "what the Aryan-White race has attempted to do by high-jacking Ancient Egypt is as follows: Kill the Messenger (Black Ancient Egyptians), but save and embrace the 'Message' of the messenger for themselves"-that is, the Holy Bible. The main purpose of European scholarship supremacy is "to destroy the Black Afrikan genesis of Ancient Egypt and give the world a counterfeit analysis of this great civilization as being a creation of the Aryan-White race."

However, the late Dr. Chekh Anta Diop (the modern-day Imhotep), capsulises the dire attempt by the Aryan-White race to "white-wash" Ancient Egypt as follows: "Mankind trying to destroy the Black Afrikan genesis of Ancient Egypt is like trying to drown a fish in the ocean."

Shem Hotep ("I go in peace").

Dr. Nantambu is an Associate Professor, Dept. of Pan-African Studies, Kent State University, U.S.A.

OMG!!! Im in Religion Heaven.... oh and princess ((them to proceed through life with blinders placed on them by those who would historically seek to deny their interest. No genuinely educated black woman do this. )) so true....

my reading starts here: Read About it....your history black people http://urlm.in/gass

Christine,

I've read all the links you posted. The last, on the revolution, is especially appreciated, as one which I doubt I ever would have found on my own. It also provides access to much additional information through the link at the bottom to the on-line exhibit. Here is an excerpt here from the paper, in the hope that if any haven't followed your link, that they will.

Text 7
SB XX 14659 (= R.Scholl, Corpus der ptolemäischen Sklaventexte [Stuttgart 1990], 9).
7 January 197 BC

Athenodoros to the notaries, greetings. Below you will find a copy of the memorandum of Pyrrhos the praktor. Register therefore, in accordance with this, for Thaubastis the purchase of a female slave for Thaubastis. To the minister of finances Athenodoros from Pyrros.

Thaubastis daughter of Sokrates, a Syrian, with as guardian Apollonios, a Cretan of the company of Anthemis, staff–officer of the elite armoured troups, has declared in accordance with the decree issued in year 8, on the 2nd of Phaophi, concerning those who own Egyptian slaves as a result of the revolt in the land, Thasion, about eighteen years, of whom she says that she is an Egyptian. Thaubastis has made a payment at the bank of Philippos on the account of the king on 15 Xandikos of year 8: 500 bronze drachmas and fifty–two drachmas agio and the tax on the purchase of slaves resulting from this: 110 dr. 5 ob. Please, order that the purchase be registered on the name of Thaubastis, about thirty years, small, with honey–colored complexion, round face and a scar on the right cheek, with as guardian Apollonios son of Apollonios, about forty years, of medium stature, with honey–colored complexion, bald forehead, protruding ears and a scar on the forehead on the left side, of the street of Arsinoe Euergetis. (The purchase) concerns Thasion, eighteen years, small, with dark complexion, a round face, recognizable by several scars.
Year 8, Hathyr 26, Daisios 4.

In 197 BC Thaubastis daughter of Sokrates declares possession of a young Egyptian slave Thasion, whom she had bought from the fisc on a public auction (through the praktor, a kind of bailiff), for 500 drachma, to which was added a twenty–percent purchase tax. Notwithstanding her Egyptian name Thaubastis is clearly at home in a Greek military setting; Thasion has been enslaved as a result of "the revolt in the land." The buyer Thaubastis has paid through the bank; the praktor informs the minister of finances that the price of purchase has been received and the ministerial offices instruct the notaries to register the purchase and make it legally valid. The legal basis of the enslavement is formed by a royal decree promulgated 198 BC. This shows that the sale was not an isolated case, but the result of a conscious policy against the rebels: both the rebels themselves and other members of their family were enslaved and sold by the government to the highest bidders.

I am back.....preparing to post momentarily.

MY MOTTO ? NO IDIOTS ALLOWED.

Ptolemy I SOTER (SAVIOUR) was evil and turned the world up side down in order to be apart of history and become a god thseo sell out Ancestors from within the Ancient Egyptian Priesthood, particularly those from Memphis, Egypt); help him get the job done the savior soter built THE GREAT LIBRARY OF ALEXANDRIA.BLACK PEOPLE....THIS IS WHERE YOU GET YOUR MINDS BACK! THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS THAT WENT INTO THE MAKING OF THE BIBLE CAME FROM THE SACERDOTAL LITERATURE OF THE BLACK AFRICAN ECCLESIASTIC COMMUNITY OF ANCIENT EGYPT IN AFRICA.

THE WHITE, GREEK, SAVAGE, PTOLEMY, CONFISCATED FROM THE BLACK ANCIENT EGYPTIAN PRIEISTS WHEN THE PRIESTS STILL LOYAL TO THE BLACK MASSES, THE BLACK NATIVES OF ANCIENT EGYPT, REFUSED TO PLACE SOTER'S STATUE (IN THE PERSON OF THE MAN MADE CREATURE 'SERAPIS') ALONG SIDE THAT OF THEIR MOST VENERATED ANCESTOR.....GOD IN THE PERSON OF OSIRIS 'LORD OF THE PERFECT BLACK'?

AFTER... BEING OUTFITTED WITH THE THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF THE ACCUMULATED KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM OF OUR BLACK AFRICAN ANCESTORS OF ANCIENT EGYPT, ALL OF A SUDDEN BECAME KNOWN IN HISTORY, TO THE WORLD AS.....THE GREAT LIBRARY OF ALEXANDRIA? DO YOU RECALL THIS SEQUENCE OF EVENTS THAT YOUR IDIOT PASTOR KNOWS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT? WELL NOW YOU KNOW WHERE THE LITERATURE THAT FURNISHHED THE LIBRARY CAME FROM.

now i see how they stole our books !
through history they have been changing the faith of the people !

we need to learn to keep white people out of our business if they want to help then we need to have a spot for th but i feel they should have nothing to do with making any historical decisions for the black race ,,there should be a loud a cry of blackness across the world ...

christine
this is price less i see where you going and man the Gods of those white savages who sought to steal your birthright...your legacy, not by Jehova, not by Allah or Jesus as none of these creatures had yet to be manufactured when your Black African Ancestors were celebrating the resurrection and eternal life more than 5 thousand years before any of those manufactured Gods were born. If you doubt me then look at the white theives as they poured over the stolen knowledge and wisdom of your Black African Ancestors of Ancient Egypt in the Annex building built by Ptolemy III. Euergetes grandson of Serapis himself (SOTER....PTOLEMY I.)...LOOK AT THEM AND KNOW IN YOUR HEART OF HEARTS WHAT IT IS THAT THEY WERE DOING!!!!!!!

"we need to learn to keep white people out of our business if they want to help then we need to have a spot for th but i feel they should have nothing to do with making any historical decisions for the black race ,,there should be a loud a cry of blackness across the world ... "

stolen knowledge and wisdom of your Black African Ancestors of Ancient Egypt in the Annex building built by Ptolemy III. Euergetes grandson of Serapis himself (SOTER....PTOLEMY I.)...LOOK

Here's where I started, where I was before I was invited to BIA.

http://blackhistory.com/

History has much to teach us.

grandson of Serapis himself (SOTER....PTOLEMY I.)...LOOK AT THEM AND KNOW IN YOUR HEART OF HEARTS WHAT IT IS THAT THEY WERE DOING!!!!!!!

BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT THAT YOUR PRECIOUS BIBLE CAME OUT OF THAT ANNEX BUILDING NOW KNOWN AS THE GREAT LIBRARY OF ALEXANDRIA AND THAT THE ONLY MOSES WHO HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT LIVED IN ALANDALUS (SPAIN) IN A.D. TIMES. ONLY THEN WILL YOU TRULY KNOW WHY THAT BOOK IS CALLED THE BOOK OF MOSES.

They still consider it sacred and our black asses are running around talking about democrates and republicans as if we have lost our minds.....we have not lost our minds.....OUR MINDS WERE STOLEN.....BY WHITE PEOPLE

http://urlm.in/gbdr

http://urlm.in/gbdr
looking inside this library is amasing
if you haven't taken the time to see it !
you should !!

I will continue tommorrow evening. We have finally reached the creation of biblical literature. I suggest all are who are pretending they are not paying attention to this dialogue.....show up.

Due to the negative anthropological ideas and theories of early European scholars against Black Africans, thus, the knowledge and reality that Judaeo-Christian foundations of Europe actually originated from African theosophy and philosophy, has surely been a major source of social-political embarrassment for Europeans. The racist and extremist Europeans had always seen the so-called Jewish people with suspicion and contempt vis-à-vis their same contempt and ill-feelings they had towards Sub-Saharan Africans. That is to say, historically, the Europeans had no genesis of religion to claim as their own, other than what came up 'out of Africa', Christianity, which was brought to them by the so-called Jews. This fact has left the European (Aryan-Whites) with bitterness, enmity and jealousy against the so-called Jewish peoples and Africans.

this fomented ill feelings among Europeans that the so-called Jewish people had deliberately deceived them so that the Jews would dominate Europe. "This is also the reason no credible reason has been given for the most atrocious massacre of blacks and Jews in human history" (Nana Darkwah, ibid. page 23). Finally, one must know that Aryan-White (European and American) tradition, Apostolic fathers of the Church, theosophical teachings and writings, as well as the Arabs, have all laboured over the past 500 years, trying to disconnect Black Africans from Ancient Egypt, in order to hide the true identity of the original authors of the Bible and the origin from whence the Bible originated, which was Ancient Egypt. In essence, what the Aryan-White race has attempted to do by 'high-jacking' Ancient Egypt: The strategy has been to kill the "Messenger" (Black Ancient Egyptians), but save and embrace the "Message" of the messenger for themselves (the Holy Bible text). It is important to know that Western curiosity and interest in Ancient Egypt, wanting it to be recognized at its genesis as an Aryan-White or Asian Civilization, thus induced Western scholarship to create the discipline science called Egyptology.

Egyptology (from Egypt and Greek -λογία, -logia. Arabic: علم المصريات‎) is the study of ancient Egyptian history, language, literature, religion, and art from the 5th millennium BC until the end of its native religious practices in the AD 4th century. A practitioner of the discipline is an Egyptologist. In Europe, particularly on the Continent, Egyptology is primarily regarded as being a philological discipline, while in North America it is often regarded as a branch of archaeology.

The Aryan-White race's main objective in establishing Egyptolgy is to destroy the Black African genesis of Ancient Egypt, and give the world a counterfeit analysis of this Great Civilization as being a creation of the Aryan-White race. However, the late Dr. Cheikh Anta Diop (Senegalese), who was a Physicist-Scientist, Egyptologist, Palaeo-anthropologist and World Historian, eloquently sums up the essence of the Aryan-White race's futile attempts to 'white-wash' Ancient Egypt. Diop: "Mankind trying to destroy the Black African genesis of Ancient Egypt, is like trying to drown a fish in the vast ocean!" BY THE MASTER TEACHER H.M. MAULANA.

have you ever heard of symbolism the symbol of NWKA below was excavated from the tomb of the Akan King Tutu Ankoma, the boy king of Ancient Egypt whose name Europeans have corrupted to Tutankhamun. He ruled from 1336-1327 B.C." (Nana Banchie Darkwah, Ph.D.). Picture of The NKWA (ANKH-CROSS) -Picture of Akan King Tutu Ankoma-Boy King of Ancient Egypt(Name Europeanized to Tutankhamun)- -Ethnic (Tribal) Groups and Intelligentsia of Ancient Egypt- Nana Darkwah (The Africans Who Wrote The Bible) says that the intelligentsia of Ancient Egypt was headed by such ethnic groups as the Akan, Ewe, Ga-Andangbe, Hausa and Ibo.

However, he asserts that the Akan was the main ruling class in Ancient Egypt since the majority of Ancient Egyptian kings had Akan names. He gives an example of the Egyptian king of the fourth dynasty who built the Great Pyramid was "Akuffu" and not "Khuffu". Also, Nana Darkwah gives the correct Akan name of the younger son of Akuffu as "Dade Afre" and not "Djedefra", and his elder son was"Okyere Afre" and not "Chephren". He goes on to cite the western scholars incorrect naming of the Ancient Egyptian city Memphis. He says Memphis was an ancient African city and it is still a modern African city called Mamfe. He says Mamfe is located today in the eastern region of Ghana of the Akuapem people. "These are the people of Ancient Egyptian kings Akuffu, Dade Afre, and Okyere Afre and others" " (Nana Darkwah, The Africans Who Wrote the Bible, page xii). -Ga-Adangme In Ancient Egypt & Israel-

The history of Ancient Egypt also has numerous Ga-Adangme names, confirming that the Ga people were in Ancient Israel (Kanaan) and Ancient Egypt. Also, one can find Ga names amongst today's so-called Jewish people. "The most popular of the Ga-Adangme names used by today 's so-called Jewish people is the name of the former Prime Minister of Israel, called Netanyahu. This name was derived from the two Ga-Adangme names"Natey" and "Nyaho"-Neteynyaho". Ewe People In Ancient Times- Around 2700 B.C.E., the Ewe people were among the African ethnic groups that lived in the region of modern day Syria, stretching down to the estuary of the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers.

and the book the books where Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead. Produced on papyrus rolls and interred with the mummified corpse, the Book of the Dead was a kind of manual to the afterlife: a set of spells and prayers (in text form with accompanying illustrations) designed to guide the deceased through the dangers of the underworld to paradise.

The Book of the Dead evolved from Egypt's earliest funerary literature, written for the king on his pyramid walls from 2400BC onwards. Within a few centuries, governors and high-ranking officials started to include similar inscriptions on their coffins, and these in turn inspired the Book of Dead papyri for an even broader ownership from 1500 BC (until the first centuries AD).

Still only 10 per cent of the population could afford a scribe's fees, though. Most people were simply wrapped in a shroud and dumped in a pit in the desert, so we shouldn't draw too many conclusions about Egyptian society as a whole from these papyri. Were the 90 per cent majority denied an afterlife completely, or did they simply have to fend for themselves there? We just don't know.

this link is about the origin of religion
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical...

http://www.scribd.com/doc/29182854/Before-...
Before-the-Pharaohs

David...that's some good stuff youre posting. It appears as if our fellow participants have abandoned us for lower plattitudes. I guess the oxygen this far up was much too rich for their blood...therefore I have simply decided to take a break particularly since it appears that those who presented themselves as being interested in the origins of ....the Bible, are after not as interested as they would have themselves (and others) believe. When I return at my own liesure...I will take off from where I left off. If commments appear that lead me t believe that we have a significant number of seriously interested parties I will return immediately to finish what we started.

where are we... im ready....

creation of the bible.... the Exodus or Genesis??

Christiane there are at least 10 people that have there eyes glued to this blog and i asure you as i see a lot of blogs with topics steaming from the info being posted here some people rather learn and watch from the sidelines as appose to jumping in and commenting.. this blog is the top blog in the history is this website and you can believe people are watching and waiting for more !

I'm here too. I posted a couple blogs, didn't want to get ahead of the subject here.

Ok...then we shall continue as scheduled...as we haven't even gotten to the fun stuff...the stuff Cynthia wants to sink her teeth into. This has only been the preparation for what's to come.

cool... Im good... It's all good... Im patient and Im learning alot

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Be it known...that I too am here! And have been for some time...

Peace and Love,

Greg.
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Thank you all for alerting me to your presence as I would find it disheartening to know that such valuable and little know information vital to the psychological well being of our people were falling on deaf ears and mute tongues. We will surely continue. Cynthia, you particularly may wish to pay close attention as we are now going to discourse at length on the very item of interest that brought us all here or at the very least has kept us all here ......the Bible. I am going to show you things you've never seen before. I am confident enough to make that assertion. Shortly everyone...shortly.

My Brother.


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I AM HERE ALSO. I AM RUBBING MY HANDS TOGETHER WAITING!!!!!

I hope that those who are here and pretending not to be will keep an open mind and learn how people have been SCAMMED in the name of Jesus, and how we are still in chains if we are waiting for that great getting up morning for our "reward", and turn the other cheek and how we will not get through the eye of the needle if we are rich. I wonder how many know that the eye of the needle is a place?

Sorry, I didn't mean to jump the gun!!!

great

I didn't know the eye an the needle is a place.... however I agree... we all must keep an open mind...

Irma it started off on subject... Then Steve/Adam/?? came in with a question... so Christine wanted to cover his questions... for a moment it got too deep from me but I started reading when the blog wasn't so busy...

Christine covers everything... you'll enjoy this... blog... it's alot of African Studies information in here and yes archeology from the ruins of Ancient Egypt

Thought it was Steve/Adam/Deist/??

Check out Christine's links to Walter Williams.

its all good and we are going to move to the next level for those that dont know christine is here because i ask her to come and teach us a good lesson in religion and history there is a lot of things we all can learn !

shortly...very shortly...in fact this evening.

Ok... I'll be back then

Hi Steve/Adam/Deist/?? ((it changes so much that's why I keep adding ??? marks... lol))

we are all here
anytime you post info on this blog it goes to my e mail !
i hope everybody has gone over the info there is a lot more !

OK Blessed ones...here we go...as you read this...I'am typing. I've been building my brother's website
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I am typing now. This is where alot of you are going to seriously learn and alot of you .....even those of you who have come this far...are going to get serioiusly disturbed, pissed off and retreat into denial......feel free to do all of thee above. Why? It will not change the facts of the historical record, be you black, white, Christian, Muslim, Jew or any other manufactured identity you have had imposed upon you even if only by default. I have only two suggestion and two suggestions only. DEAL WITH IT & GROW. Why? Because those are the two things they never meant for you to do. It does not make for good 'consumerism' particularly around the holidays (smile). Now ..I will Type. See you all in cherished moments. I caution you, only the intelligent will fare well past this point. The dull of mind may find it hard to keep up....1000% respect to those who make the effort to keep up. This is a matter of life and death....of your mind....and yes, even your very Souls (should you suscribe to such Spiritual anatomy as I most certainly do).

ok... im reading noww

Mom, you're not going to pull a Kanye West act on us are you??? ROTFLMAO!!!

I Agree here ((Christian, Muslim, Jew or any other manufactured identity you have had imposed upon you even if only by default))....

I was christened a Catholic.... Baptisted as a Baptist... and Hope To Die With A New Spiritual Analysis....

Wherever the truth leads is where it leads. I for one am not threatened by historically and scientifically researched data. That would be illogical.

After all that I have posited on this page you should all be prepared and ready to move forward. If you have read in depth all that has been deposited on this page.....
you will have no problems whatsoever in understanding the things I am now going to show you.

Present.

smile.....you would be.

hands on deck ! that means im in the boat !

You would be

Thanks Christine for the many additional references you posted above. Are we to study these, oh I will, for sure, but before moving on is what I mean?

Always take note of what is posited...it will help you defeat the lies put in place that I will expose you to.

Now for the juicy stuff. This is where we learn just how wrong all that we think know actually is. Anyone may answer this question:



As far as the historical record is concerned ....how does it say the Bible was brought into existence?

good lets go in and learn ! im ready !

Well I know it was centered around Alexandria, and that it's true origin was attempted to be obscured and has been obscured. I know there were many disagreements over what was canonical, which tells me there was manipulation going on, a defining of orthodox vs. heterodox that culminated only300-400 years after the supposed events. I know there are clues in the new testament such as the discussion of Paul and Apollos in Acts. The origin of the Septuagint must have played a big role. So I have clues, but no definitive answer as of yet.

Also it is known many of the supposed authors of both old and new testament are not the true authors, and much of what was written as prophesy was written after the fact to justify political ends. For instance, much of the old testament that recorded the history of Israel was in fact written after the Babylonian captivity. And Paul's letters are not all by the same person. These are just some examples.

if it is true that God wants only orthodox churches, and if the existence of heterodox churches is to be traced back to Divine permission only, it is "not a matter of indifference which church group a Christian joins."

If you ask on what basis a Christian must distinguish between heterodox and orthodox churches, the answer is: On the basis of beliefs, on the basis of doctrine. Only on that basis can a true judgment be reached; not on the basis that outwardly a Christian life !

And Pharaoh Shishak (Shoshenq I) is the first mentioned in the bible which is corroborated in th Egyptian record. And there is no independent record of Jesus, the writers of the new testament or the apostles, only John the Baptist in Josephus.

Christine i want to thank you again for enlightening me and those that choose to participate in this study i assure you i will take the knowledge first to my family then to the masses your work here will not come back void !

its time for the black people to wake up and see the savageness of those that have been fooling the masses ,,,this is our wake up call !

I asked the question:

"As far as the historical record is concerned ....how does it say the Bible was brought into existence?"


Adam responded with:

"Well I know it was centered around Alexandria, and that it's true origin was attempted to be obscured and has been obscured. I know there were many disagreements over what was canonical, which tells me there was manipulation going on, a defining of orthodox vs. heterodox that culminated only 300-400 years after the supposed events. The origin of the Septuagint must have played a big role. So I have clues, but no definitive answer as of yet.




All 'high falutin holy rollers' who were unable to answer this question should remember Adam's answer for he 1000% correct.

Impressive Adam...that was an historical 'bulls-eye'. That was the answer of someone who has been doing there complete homework from a proper historical orientation.
Who's helping you Adam? Confess; come clean, we won't judge you...too harshly (smile). You've got to be cheating.....that answer was not just correct...it was perfectly sequenced as well. It was literally thee perfect answer.

You should all read Adam's answer at least 10 times over and over again...as it is uncontestable, accurate and the show of true historical marksmanship. I said he was a savage...I never said he was stupid.

Heterodoxy is generally defined as "any opinions or doctrines at variance with an official or orthodox position".[1]. As an adjective, heterodox is commonly used to describe a subject as "characterized by departure from accepted beliefs or standards" (status quo). Under this definition the noun heterodoxy is synonymous with unorthodoxy, while the adjective heterodox is synonymous with dissident.

However heterodoxy is also an ecclesiastical term of art, defined in a various ways by different religions and churches. For example, in the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches heterodoxy may describe beliefs that differ from strictly orthodox views but that fall short of heresy.

Babylonian Talmud Megillah 9a-b: Translation of the Torah into Greek,,,,King Ptolemy,2 as it has been taught to them i ythink i got it lets see :The Origin of the Septuagint;;;;;
The Rabbis also preserved a tradition according to which seventy-two elders had translated the Torah into Greek. This Talmudic account, however, stressed the intentional changes introduced unanimously by the translators into the text in order to prevent misunderstandings or embarrassment to the Jewish religion.


now i see the multiplication of the transcripts that why it was all heresy !
AM I GETTING CLOSE ?

http://www.messiahtruth.com/lxx.html
The Origin of the Septuagint

Christine, it was you gave us the key of course, Alexandria. Not to simplify, by any means, the wealth of sources you provided to grasp the key. No, nothing but the store of knowledge at our fingertips, direction, and the aid of others here, in particular David, who put in the effort.

It appears though that the Masoretic text is based on the Septuagint. What were the sources for the Septuagint, what became part of the Septuagint and what was left out (same question as for the New Testament)?

After the conquests of Alexander had brought Egypt under Macedonian rule, the newly-founded city of Alexandria became especially a place where the Greek language, although by no means in its purest form, was the medium of written and spoken communication amongst the varied population there brought together. This Alexandrian dialect is the idiom in which the Septuagint version was made.

I have heard that the Koine Greek was the perfect language for the New Testament, because at the time of the N. T. writings, Koine was "static" and precise in its vocabulary and structures, with no exact synonyms, but did have some close synonyms that had distinct nuances in meaning, and could therefore be distinguished; it was considered "static" (I don't remember if that is the exact term) because, not long after that, it died as a spoken language, so its meanings were "sure" (?) (the form that was spoken after that was considered "pre-modern Greek" (not the term they used, I'm sure).

NOTE THAT As the Septuagint was held in such honour in the East, it is no cause for surprise that this version was the basis of the other translations which were made in early times into vernacular tongues. There was, however, also another reason; -- the general ignorance of the original Hebrew amongst the early Christians prevented their forming their translations from the fountain itself. The especial exception to this remark is the Syriac version of the Old Testament formed at once from the Hebrew.

the Septuagint demands our attention, were it only from the fact that the whole circle of religious ideas and thoughts amongst Christians in the East has always been moulded according to this version. Without an acquaintance with the Septuagint, numerous allusions in the writings of the Fathers become wholly unintelligible, and even important doctrinal discussions and difficulties (such even as some connected with the Arian controversy) become wholly unintelligible.

The first of the Greek versions of the Old Testament executed in the second century was that of AQUILA. He is described as a Jew or Jewish proselyte of Pontus, and the date commonly attributed to his version is about the year A.D. 126. His translation is said to have been executed for the express purpose of opposing the authority of the Septuagint: his version was in consequence upheld by the Jews. His labour was evidently directed in opposing the passages which the Christians were accustomed to cite from the Septuagint as applicable to the Lord Jesus. The general characteristic of this version is bold literality of rendering: such an endeavour is made to render each Hebrew word and particle into Greek, that all grammar is often set at defiance, and not unfrequently the sense is altogether sacrificed. From the scrupulosity of Aquila in rendering each Hebrew word, his work, if we possessed it complete (and not merely in scattered fragments), would be of great value in textual criticism.

I am here.

Berossus and Genesis, Manetho and Exodus: Hellenistic Histories and the Date of the Pentateuch
By Russell E. Gmirkin

Page 72

"In the preceding chapter it was demonstrated that there exist no documented Greek references to Jewish writings prior to the Septuagint. Authentic fragments of Hecataeus of Abdera displayed knowledge of Moses as the Jewish lawgiver but not of written Jewish laws. The same was true of Manetho. The first evidence of Pentateuchal writings is the Septuagint itself, probably dating to the late 270s BCE."

http://books.google.com/books?id=9_7lSWFMC...

im late but here.... this is a lot of information to read and absorb....

((The most brilliant of the GREEK STUDENTS of science, such as Thales of Miletos (C.600 BC), Democritos, Pythagoras, and Eudoxos ))

Every Geometry Student has ..... knows this one......Pythagorean theorem is named after the Greek mathematician Pythagoras!!!

Without an acquaintance with the Septuagint, numerous allusions in the writings of the Fathers become wholly unintelligible, and even important doctrinal discussions and difficulties (such even as some connected with the Arian controversy) become wholly unintelligible.

Product Description

Berossus and Genesis, Manetho and Exodus proposes a provocative new theory regarding the date and circumstances of the composition of the Pentateuch. Gmirkin argues that the Hebrew Pentateuch was composed in its entirety about 273-272 BCE by Jewish scholars at Alexandria that later traditions credited with the Septuagint translation of the Pentateuch into Greek. The primary evidence is literary dependence of Gen. 1-11 on Berossus' Babyloniaca (278 BCE) and of the Exodus story on Manetho's Aegyptiaca (c. 285-280 BCE), and the geo-political data contained in the Table of Nations. A number of indications point to a provenance of Alexandria, Egypt for at least some portions of the Pentateuch. That the Pentateuch, drawing on literary sources found at the Great Library of Alexandria, was composed at almost the same date as the Septuagint translation, provides compelling evidence for some level of communication and collaboration between the authors of the Pentateuch and the Septuagint scholars at Alexandria's Museum. The late date of the Pentateuch, as demonstrated by literary dependence on Berossus and Manetho, has two important consequences: the definitive overthrow of the chronological framework of the Documentary Hypothesis, and a late, 3rd century BCE date for major portions of the Hebrew Bible which show literary dependence on the Pentateuch.

About the Author

Russell Gmirkin is a writer, researcher, and Dead Sea Scrolls scholar living in Portland, Oregon.

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* Hardcover: 344 pages
* Publisher: T & T Clark International (May 15, 2006)
* Language: English
* ISBN-10: 0567025926
* ISBN-13: 978-0567025920

The Bible started as a 3rd century BC cultural studies grant, October 6, 2006
By Gregory Doudna (Bellingham, WA USA)

This review is from: Berossus and Genesis, Manetho and Exodus: Hellenistic Histories and the Date of the Pentateuch (The Library of Hebrew Bible/Old Testament Studies) (Hardcover)

This stunning book presents a theory, argued in meticulous detail, that proposes the who, when, and why the Pentateuch was written. Gmirkin argues on a number of grounds for an early 3rd century BC _terminus a quo_ (no earlier than) date of production of the Pentateuch. These arguments would stand whether or not there was a viable scenario at that time, but it happens there is an excellent one: the traditions surrounding production of the Greek Septuagint. Like Sherlock Holmes solving a vexing mystery, Gmirkin snaps the conclusion into place: the Hebrew Pentateuch was produced as a sort of cultural studies project/grant from the Egyptian ruler Ptolemy II, who gave Jewish scholars access to the famous Library of Alexandria, from which these Jewish scholars wrote their history of the Jewish people. The traditional source analysis of J, P, E, and D, Gmirkin argues, reflects collation of input into the final documents, like the production of work done by a committee. (That is, Gmirkin accepts multiple sources going into the Pentateuch, but dates each of them to early 3rd century BC, on the basis of argument.) In this revolutionary thesis of how the Pentateuch was written, Gmirkin argues, for example, that the biblical exodus story was a Jewish response to Manetho's anti-semitic story of the expulsion of lepers from Egypt, and not the other way around as has traditionally been supposed.

Gmirkin then argues that the Hebrew version of the Pentateuch was translated into Greek contemporary with its Hebrew production. (Compare Josephus's later publication of his 1st century AD _Wars_ first in Aramaic and then in Greek, nearly simultaneously, as a later parallel.) The legendary tradition of the Septuagint's production in the _Letter of Aristeas_, Gmirkin argues, is actually a garbled tradition of the production and publication of the Pentateuch itself. That is, a known tradition of the Pentateuch's time, place, and circumstances of production has been in plain view all this time, but has heretofore not been recognized as such.

Note that Gmirkin's thesis on the date of composition of the Pentateuch does not address issues of historicity of the contents of the Pentateuch, which could contain accurate information concerning the past or be highly legendary or some mixture thereof, depending on the quality of the 3rd century BC Jewish scholars' sources in the Library of Alexandria. That is a distinct set of issues, separate from the issue of date and place of production and publication.

Gmirkin addresses matters such as linguistic dating, illusory reasons why the Pentateuch has been thought to have been in existence prior to 3rd century BC, and so on. Gmirkin's thesis is stunning in its simplicity and coherence, such that informed readers are sure to ask after reading it, "Why didn't I think of that?" There is sure to be a wild ride of scholarly discussion and controversy over Gmirkin's thesis and argument. This is one of the most important studies of this decade for those interested in historical-critical questions concerning the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament.

http://www.amazon.com/Berossus-Genesis-Man...

There are many pages reproduced at my first link. Much information about the origin of the Jews (Egyptian colonists) themselves, in addition.

this is a whole different link !
see if you can see any simulates
AN HISTORICAL ACCOUNT OF THE SEPTUAGINT VERSION.
A writer, who calls himself Aristeas, says that when Ptolemy Philadelphus was engaged in the formation of the Alexandrian Library, he was advised by Demetrius Phalereus to procure a translation of the sacred books of the Jews. The king accordingly, as a preliminary, purchased the freedom of more than one hundred thousand Jewish captives, and he then sent a deputation, of which Aristeas himself was one, to Eleazar the high-priest to request a copy of the Jewish Law and seventy-two interpreters, six out of each tribe. To this the priest is represented to have agreed; and after the arrival of the translators and their magnificent reception by the king, they are said to have been conducted to an island by Demetrius, who wrote down the renderings on which they agreed by mutual conference; and thus the work is stated to have been completed in seventy-two days. The translators are then said to have received from the king most abundant rewards; and the Jews are stated to have asked permissions to take copies of the version.

Other additions were subsequently made to this story: some said that each translator was shut into a separate cell, and that all by divine inspiration made their versions word for word alike; others said that there were two in each cell, accompanied by an amanuensis; but at all events miracle and direct inspiration were supposed to be connected with the translation: hence we cannot wonder that the authority attached to this version in the minds of those who believed these stories was almost unbounded.

The basis of truth which appears to be under this story seems to be, that it was an Egyptian king who caused the translation to be made, and that it was from the Royal Library at Alexandria that the Hellenistic Jews received the copies which they used.

In examining the version itself, it bears manifest proof that it was not executed by Jews of Palestine, but by those of Egypt: -- there are words and expressions which plainly denote its Alexandrian origin: this alone would be a sufficient demonstration that the narrative of Aristeas is a mere fiction. It may also be doubted whether in the year 285 B.C. there were Jews in Palestine who had sufficient intercourse with the Greeks to have executed a translation into that language; for it must be borne in mind how recently they had become the subjects of Greek monarchs, and how differently they were situated from the Alexandrians as to the influx of Greek settlers.

Some in rejecting the fabulous embellishments have also discarded all connected with them: they have then sought to devise new hypotheses as to the origin of the version. Some have thus supposed that the translation was made by Alexandrian Jews for their own use, in order to meet a neccesity which they felt to have a version of the Scriptures in the tongue which had become vernacular to them.

There would be, however, many difficulties in the way of this hypothesis. We would hardly suppose that in a space of thirty-five years the Alexandrian Jews had found such a translation needful or desirable: we must also bear in mind that we find at this period no trace of any versions having been made by Jews into the languages of other countries in which they had continued for periods much longer than that of their settlement at Alexandria.

The most reasonable conclusion is, that the version was executed for the Egyptian king; and that the Hellenistic Jews afterwards used it as they became less and less familiar with the language of the original.

If the expression of Aristobulus does not designate the whole of the books of the Old Testament as translated in the time of Ptolemy Philadelphus, the question arises, When were the other books besides the Pentateuch turned into Greek? To this no definite answer could be given: we may however be certain that various interpreters were occupied in translating various parts, and in all probability the interval between the commencement and the conclusion of the work was not great.

The variety of the translators is proved by the unequal character of the version: some books show that the translators were by no means competent to the task, while others, on the contrary, exhibit on the whole a careful translation. The Pentateuch is considered to be the part the best executed, while the book of Isaiah appears to be the worst.

In estimating the general character of the version, it must be remembered that the translators were Jews, full of traditional thoughts of their own as to the meaning of Scripture; and thus nothing short of a miracle could have prevented them from infusing into their version the thoughts which were current in their own minds. They could only translate passages as they themselves understood them. This is evidently the case when their work is examined.

It would be, however, too much to say that they translated with dishonest intention; for it cannot be doubted that they wished to express their Scriptures truly in Greek, and that their deviations from accuracy may be simply attributed to the incompetency of some of the interpreters, and the tone of mental and spiritual feeling which was common to them all.

One difficulty which they had to overcome was that of introducing theological ideas, which till then had only their proper terms in Hebrew, into a language of Gentiles, which till then had terms for no religious notions except those of heathens. Hence the necessity of using many words and phrases in new and appropriated senses.

These remarks are not intended as depreciatory of the Septuagint version: their object is rather to show what difficulties the translators had to encounter, and why in some respects they failed; as well as to meet the thought which has occupied the minds of some, who would extol this version as though it possessed something resembling co-ordinate authority with the Hebrew text itself.
http://www.ccel.org/bible/brenton/intro.ht...

Welcome Anita...pleasure to have you. I will assume you have intimated yourself with the preceeding dialogue so as you are commensurate with the historical orientation we are proceeding from. Again...an honor to have you.

At this point...most of you will began to proffer up the training given you by those ignorant of the historical record as it has been elucidated up to this point.
In an effort to avoid the 'planned confusion' inherent and attendant in those instructions we will proceed directly to the answers. I would love to play the guessing game at this point, as there are points where it will be appropiate to do so. Momentarily perhaps. Thus far Adam has posited the answer which would most accurately by confirmed by the historical record.

Adams answer: "It appears though that the Masoretic text is based on the Septuagint. What were the sources for the Septuagint, what became part of the Septuagint and what was left out?"

Anita's answer was substantive but the nature of the substance is "planted". it is part and parcel, part of the intentional subterfuge designed to misorient you.
I will demonstrate; notice the first part of her response:

"Written over a long period of time (1500-500 B.C.?) in several different forms of Hebrew (with passages in Aramaic). Little definite indication of who wrote what when.Transmitted by Jewish scribes (Masoretes) who took great care to make exact copies, counting words and letters..."

My response: In her statement there are no exact answers as reflected by an unbroken historical record, as there should be. Mankind has a monogenetic history therefore so too should the historical record. The historical record must reflect the monogentic reality of the humans that produced it, as they themselves are a product of monogeneticism. In other words It must begin in a straight conforming line....until 'mutation' occurs. To defeat a persons understanding of a subject, those who seek to decieve will introduce 'variance' & 'polymorphisms' (polite euphemisms for 'mutation', which is exactly what happened to the historical record with the inaugaration of Ptolemaic Egypt....in other words this is where the deceit began, so it is there where it must be resolved, this again is why Adam continues to be correct in his assertion....Alexandria is the Key you must unlock); 'variance' again, this is deceit par ecellence, as it is the most subtle way to dilute, and disorient.
It is for these express purposes that 'Hebrew' and 'Aramaic' (descendants of the fictional 'Proto Canaanite') are introduced into the equation by 'established' institutions of 'higher' learning. Or what I refer to as....'educated fools'. They abound in number I assure you. This is in no way a reflection upon Anita in any way whatsoever.
Just an observation of the facts as reflected by the historical record. It is from the historical record, and nothng else whereby we will be instructed.


David i love you Brother...I sincerely do but you got poo poo all over your shoes with that last answer (lol). Why? You have yet to be introduced to the nature of the emnity between the fictional Jews and the historical Greeks. I will explain. There is a competition that exists between these two parties of interests as regards the creation of the 'earliest' Bible. The Greek know that the Bible was created by them. Remember...the Greeks are not known for their obstaining from taking credit for things they have convinced themsleves that they have in fact created. Here's the historical irony. Consider all of the things the the Greeks wrongly took credit for, and then consider the one thing they did create...the Bible....and yet they remain ALMOST silent on their role in it's creation. Why? Because if they concede creating it...then they have to explain the SOURCE MATERIAL (REMEMBER THOSE CONFISCATED AFRICAN SCROLLS). So they allow a fictitious people to come along about a thousand years later and take credit for it. Therefore David....you went to a Jewish/Hebrew website to gather information about the creation of the first Bible, from the very people who have fought tooth, hand, and nail to deprive the actual creators of it, of their historical credit....THE GREEKS. Therefore you literally went and asked a Jewish source to please continue seeling you the lie that they were the ones who created the first Bible....when in fact they did not. That infamous accolade belongs to the 'subterfuge' prone Greeks. You must really understand the nature of the beast you are dealing with and the fact of the matter is that none of you do save perhaps....Adam. Poetically Ironic. He gets it before I've even delivered it. Your close David....very, but you should have never gone to a Hebrew source looking for the origin of the first Bible...that's like asking the Greeks how they invented Geometry....they will give you a lengthy answer on how they did it...when in point of fact they did not. This question of who produced the first Bible is a very sore sticking point with Jews....because the best scholars know that they did not. They know beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was the Greeks. I've taught you all about Ptolemy I. Soter (SAVIOUR), and then we skipped to his grandson, Euergetes who built the Serapeum, a worship temple to the Ptolemaic God of Resurrection and eternal life, Serapis; BUT YOU NEVER ASKED WHY WE SKIPPED PTOLEMY'S ACTUAL SON...THE FATHER OF EUERGETES; THE SON OF PTOLEMY I.,THE MAN WHO'S IMAGE AND LIKENESS WAS USED IN THE CREATION OF THE CREATURE SERAPIS! LET US LOOK AT THIS MISSING LINK WE HAVE YET TO ENCOUNTER. LET US LOOK AT THE SON OF PTOLEMY I SOTER (SAVIOUR), ONE.....'PTOLEMY II PHILADELPHUS', AND LET US BE INSTRUCTED BY THE HISTORICAL RECORD:


"Ptolemy deified his parents and his sister-wife, after her death (270 BCE)."
Scullard, H.H The Elephant in the Greek and Roman World
Thames and Hudson. 1974 pg 125


"Callimachus, keeper of the library, Theocritus, and a host of lesser poets, glorified the Ptolemaic family. Ptolemy himself WAS EAGER TO INCREASE HE LIBRARY AND PATRONIZE SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH. He had exotic animals of far off lands sent to Alexandria. Although an enthusiast for Hellenic culture, HE ALSO ADOPTED EGYPTIAN RELIGIOUS CONCEPTS which helped to bolster his image as a sovereign."

Theocritus: Encomium of Ptolemy Philadelphus


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemy_II_Ph...

THIS MAN, PTOLEMY II PHIALDELPHUS, SON OF PTOLEMY II SOTER (SAVIOUR IE. SERAPIS), WHO HAD BOTH OF HIS PARENTS (SOTER AND THE SAVAGE WHITE WOMAN BERENICE AND HIS WIFE WHO WAS ALSO HIS SISTER) LEGALLY DEIFIED AND MADE A GOD AND GODDESSES TO BE WORSHIPPED BY THE MASSES (INCLUDING THE THEN DISENFRANCHISED, AND DISPOSSESSED, THEN LANDLESS BLACK AFRICANS OF ANCIENT EGYPT, YOUR ANCESTORS), and who ADOPTED EGYPTIAN RELIGIOUS CONCEPTS is the very SAME MAN (who actually existed) that THE HISTORICAL RECORD STATES.....PAID FOR THE BIBLE TO BE BROUGHT INTO EXISTENCE. Those who sought to rewrite history and confuse you,,,,throw you off of the ANNEX BUILDING TRAIL (so to speak), inserted into the historical record that PHILADELPHUS simply had it TRANSLATED. THAT is a lie and the best historians know it. He had it brought into EXISTENCE under his own patronage($). The story of the 72 Jewish elders coming to Egypt from Jerusalem is a LIE. This can be proven...easily.


"The tradition preserved in the pseudepigraphical Letter of Aristeas which connects the Septuagint translation of the Old Testament into Greek with his patronage is probably overdrawn. However, Walter Kaiser says, "There can be little doubt that the Law was translated in Philadelphus's time since Greek quotations from Genesis and Exodus appear in Greek literature before 200 B.C. The language of the Septuagint is more like Egyptian Greek than it is like Jerusalemite Greek, according to some." "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemy_II_Ph...





1. look at the source of the myth concerning the jewish contribution; it is none other than the...'.PSEUDEPIGRAPHICAL Letter of Aristeas'. What does this word 'PSEUDEPIGRAPHICAL' mean. That will tell you the nature and validity of this so called source:

Pseudepigrapha are f FALSELY ATTRIBUTED WORKS, texts whose claimed authorship is UNFOUNDED; a work, simply, "whose real author attributed it to a figure of the past."[1] The word "pseudepigrapha" (from the Greek: ψευδής, pseudēs, "FALSE" and ἐπιγραφή, epigraphē, "inscription"; see the related epigraphy) is the plural of "pseudepigraphon"



2. IF 'HEBREW ELDERS STRICTLY 'FROM JERUSALEM 'TRANSLATED' THE SEPTUAGINT INTO EXISTENCE THEN WHY DOES THE ABOVE PASSAGE SAY:
"The language of the Septuagint is more like Egyptian Greek than it is like Jerusalemite Greek".


THEREFORE WHEN READING THE ABOVE ALL THAT CAN BE VALIDATED BY THE HISTORICAL RECORD IS THAT THE SEPTUAGINT CAME INTO EXISTENCE IN ALEXANDRIA AT THE BEHEST AND UNDER THE PATRONAGE OF THE SON OF SOTER (SAVIOUR) WHO WERE BOTH HEAVILY IMMERSED AND CONSUMED BY EGYPTIAN RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.


THIS IS THE ORIGIN OF YOUR BIBLES LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, BRUTHA'S AND SISTAH'S....AND RESIDENT SAVAGE...WHO WE HAVE COME TO CONSIDER A ....FRIEND.


LOOK AT THE LIFE AND THE NATURE OF THE MAN WHO PAID FOR YOUR PRECIOUS BIBLE TO BE WRITTEN....LOOK AT HIS NATURE, HIS BELIEFS, HIS LIFE, HIS ACTIONS AND HIS LINEAGE. THIS IS WHERE YOUR PRECIOUS BIBLE CAME FROM! The historians say the account of the legend is 'over-drawn' but they never tell you what part of the account is 'over-drawn'. I WILL TELL YOU WHAT PART OF THE ACCOUNT IS 'OVER-DRAWN'....THE PART ABOUT 'HEBREW ELDERS' BEING 'SUMMONED FROM JERUSALEM' TO 'TRANSLATE' IS NOT JUST 'OVERDRAWN' ...IT IS AN 'OUT AND OUT BONA FIDE LIE'. READ FOR YOURSELF...AND LEARN. WE KNOW WHERE THE SOURCE MATERIAL CAME FROM....CONFISCATED / STOLEN AND STORED LITERATURE BELONGING TO YOUR BLACK AFRICAN ANCESTORS IN ANCIENT EGYPT.


YOU WILL ALSO DISCOVER THAT IT WAS PHILO AND JOSEPHUS WHO SUBSCRIBED 'DIVINE INSPIRATION' TO IT'S CREATION...AND NO ONE ELSE.
EVERYONE ELSE JUST MIMICKED WHAT THEY SAID...AS YOU STILL PARROT TO THIS VERY DAY. QUOTING PEOPLE YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW.

READ IT!!!!!! OVER AND OVER....AND SEE THROUGH THE MISINFORMATION.
I'VE GIVEN YOU THE KEYS TO HELP YOU DO IT!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint

OK im going back in i want to get all of this ! i got a d- today but i will make it up i im determine to get it right winners never quit and quitters never win im going in !

im going to delete that i dont want to confuse anyone !

ok i will leave it for that reason

Oh by the way...this is for those of you who'd like to verify the fallaciousness of the 'pseudepigraphical Letter of Aristeas'


"Philological analysis by Luis Vives, published in XXII libros de Civitate Dei Commentaria (1522), detected that the letter was a forgery."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_of_Ari...

The Tanakh (Hebrew: תַּנַ"ךְ‎, pronounced [taˈnaχ] or [təˈnax]; also Tenakh, Tenak) is a name used in Judaism for the canon of the Hebrew Bible. The Tanakh is also known as the Masoretic Text or the Miqra. The name is an acronym formed from the initial Hebrew letters of the Masoretic Text's three traditional subdivisions: The Torah ("Teaching", also known as the Five Books of Moses), Nevi'im ("Prophets") and Ketuvim ("Writings")—hence TaNaKh. The name "Miqra" (מקרא), meaning "that which is read", is an alternative Hebrew term for the Tanakh. Elements of the Greek translation, the Septuagint, are incorporated in various forms in Christian Bibles, in which, with some variations, it is called the "Old Testament". Significant differences exist between the Masoretic text and the Septuagint text. The Old Testament typically is not printed with the traditional Hebrew subdivisions, though the distinction "Law and the Prophets" is used several times in the New Testament.[1]

t, Bishop Alexander seemed unsure of what to do about Arius. The question that Arius was raising had been left unsettled two generations previously; if in any sense it could be said to have been decided, it had been settled in favor of opponents of the homoousion (the idea that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are of the same exact substance and are co-equally God; the position adopted by the Trinitarians who opposed Arius). Therefore, Alexander allowed the controversy to continue until he ultimately came to believe that it had become dangerous to the peace of the Church. Once he reached this conclusion, he called a local council of bishops and sought their advice. This council decided against Arius and Alexander deposed Arius from his office, excommunicating him and his supporters. Later, Alexander would be criticized for his slow reaction to Arius and the perceived threat posed by his teachings.[15]

By the way...the people they are referring to as Jews in Ptolemaic Egypt were simply Southern Syrian immigrants to Ptolemaic Egypt in search of resources....the first resource is an 'identity'....try moving throughout a centralized government without ID and you will see how much of a resource it is. Enjoy. Eventually we get to textual criticism, text-types and codexes.....but in the end..it doesnt matter...why? Because ALEXANDRIA is always the ...........smoking gun.

If you all would like to say hello to the person who taught me how to use the historical 'keys'.....here he is....my older brother whom I simply adore, SHAKKA AHMOSE

( http://urlm.in/gccx )

It was then Saturday, and...going out of the imperial palace, attended by a crowd of Eusebian [Eusebius of Nicomedia is meant here] partisans like guards, he [Arius] paraded proudly through the midst of the city, attracting the notice of all the people. As he approached the place called Constantine's Forum, where the column of porphyry is erected, a terror arising from the remorse of conscience seized Arius, and with the terror a violent relaxation of the bowels: he therefore enquired whether there was a convenient place near, and being directed to the back of Constantine's Forum, he hastened thither. Soon after a faintness came over him, and together with the evacuations his bowels protruded, followed by a copious hemorrhage, and the descent of the smaller intestines: moreover portions of his spleen and liver were brought off in the effusion of blood, so that he almost immediately died. The scene of this catastrophe still is shown at Constantinople, as I have said, behind the shambles in the colonnade: and by persons going by pointing the finger at the place, there is a perpetual remembrance preserved of this extraordinary kind of death.[27]

You know David...seriously, I always wondered how he died....I never even thought of poison....I always imagined a more physical type of attack....swords and assasins.
One things for sure...those Alexandrian Bishops did not play when it came to protecting their Serapis. Not at all. Not at all.

In explaining his actions against Arius, Alexander of Alexandria wrote a letter to Alexander of Constantinople and Eusebius of Nicomedia (where the emperor was then residing), detailing the errors into which he believed Arius had fallen. According to Alexander, Arius taught:

That God was not always the Father, but that there was a period when he was not the Father; that the Word of God was not from eternity, but was made out of nothing; for that the ever-existing God (‘the I AM’—the eternal One) made him who did not previously exist, out of nothing; wherefore there was a time when he did not exist, inasmuch as the Son is a creature and a work. That he is neither like the Father as it regards his essence, nor is by nature either the Father’s true Word, or true Wisdom, but indeed one of his works and creatures, being erroneously called Word and Wisdom, since he was himself made of God’s own Word and the Wisdom which is in God, whereby God both made all things and him also. Wherefore he is as to his nature mutable and susceptible of change, as all other rational creatures are: hence the Word is alien to and other than the essence of God; and the Father is inexplicable by the Son, and invisible to him, for neither does the Word perfectly and accurately know the Father, neither can he distinctly see him. The Son knows not the nature of his own essence: for he was made on our account, in order that God might create us by him, as by an instrument; nor would he ever have existed, unless God had wished to create us.[41]

Very good David...excellent. Why? The most important line in the passage you quoted above from Pope Alexander in Egypt to Alexander and Eusebius is:

"That he is neither like the Father as it regards his essence, nor is by nature either the Father’s true Word, or true Wisdom, but indeed one of his WORKS and CREATURES, being erroneously called Word and Wisdom"




Read the following and educate yourselves people:



Arius' Letter to Eusebius of Nicomedia
c 319 CE
(from Theodoret, Ecclesiastical History, I, IV. LPNF, ser. 2, vol. 3, 41.

To his very dear lord, the man of God, the faithful and orthodox Eusebius, Arius, unjustly persecuted by Alexander the Pope, on account of that all conquering truth of which you also are a champion, sendeth greeting in the Lord.

Ammonius, my father, being about to depart for Nicomedia, I considered myself bound to salute you by him, and withal to inform that natural affection which you bear towards the brethern for the sake of God and His Christ, that the bishop greatly wastes and persecutes us, and leaves no stone unturned against us. He has driven us out of the city as atheists, because we do not concur in what he publicly preaches, namely, God always, the Son always; as the Father so the Son; the Son co-exists unbegotten with the God; He is everlasting; neither by thought nor by any interval does God precede the Son; always God, always Son; he is begotten of the unbegotten; the Son is of God Himself. Eusebius, your brother bishop of Caesarea, Theodotus, Paulinus, Athanasius, Gregorius, Aetius, and all the bishops of the East, have been condemned because they say that God had an existence prior to that of his Son; except Philogonius, Hellanicus, and Macarius, who are unlearned men, and who have embraced heretical opinions. Some of them say that the Son is an eructation, others that He is a production, others the He is also unbegotten. These are impieties to which we cannot listen, even though heretics threaten us with a thousand deaths. But we say and believe, and have taught, and do teach, that the Son is not unbegotten; and that He does not derive his subsistence from any matter; but that by His own will and counsel He has subsisted before time, and before ages, as perfect God, only begotten and unchangeable, and that before He was begotten, or created, or purposed, ot established, He was not. For He was not unbegotten. We are persecuted, because we say that the Son has a beginning, but that God is without beginning. This is the cause of our persecution, and likewise, because we say that He is of the non-existent. AND THIS WE SAY, BECAUSE HE IS NIETHER PART OF GOD, NOR OF ANY ESSENTIAL BEING. FOR THIS WE ARE PERSECUTED; the rest you know. I bid thee farewell in the Lord, remembering our afflictions, my fellow-Lucianist, and true Eusebius.



The most important line in the above passage of Arius' letter is:

"AND THIS WE SAY, BECAUSE HE IS NIETHER PART OF GOD, NOR OF ANY ESSENTIAL BEING. FOR THIS WE ARE PERSECUTED AND THIS WE SAY, BECAUSE HE IS NIETHER PART OF GOD, NOR OF ANY ESSENTIAL BEING. FOR THIS WE ARE PERSECUTED;"






Now....let us take both of these important lines from Alexander's letter and Arius' letter and combine them...and what do we see?


"That he is neither like the Father as it regards his essence, nor is by nature either the Father’s true Word, or true Wisdom, but indeed one of his WORKS and CREATURES, being erroneously called Word and Wisdom" "AND THIS WE SAY, BECAUSE HE IS NIETHER PART OF GOD, NOR OF ANY ESSENTIAL BEING.
FOR THIS WE ARE PERSECUTED AND THIS WE SAY, BECAUSE HE IS NIETHER PART OF GOD, NOR OF ANY ESSENTIAL BEING. FOR THIS WE ARE PERSECUTED;"

Now let us discuss what has been hidden from you my Black people....what you have been miseducated into thinking is this (those of you who were even aware of the African Brother Arius); you have been falsely taught that the 'Son' that Arius was talking about was your 'Jesus the Christ'; it was in point of fact .....not.
The topic of his argument was never 'Jesus the Christ', as no such person by that name existed. The topic of Arius' argument and both letters quoted from above was ........the created creature 'Serapis'. The 'Father' or 'God' Arius was referring to was 'Osiris'. Those Bishops born in Egypt, ie. Arius and Origen (remember...."His Greek name, Ōrigénēs (Ὠριγένης), probably means "child of Horus" (from Ὡρος, "Horus", and γένος, "born".......), and many others.....knew the Truth of what had taken place between Ptolemy I. Soter (Saviour) and the Ancient Egyptian Priests of Memphis Egypt. The strong statement by Arius (which was one of the main things that brought the Council of Niceae, in 325 AD into being) "STATED THAT THE IMAGE OF SERAPIS WAS A 'CREATED CREATURE' , ALIEN AND DISSIMILAR IN ALL THINGS FROM THE FATHER (OSIRIS), A PERFECT CREATURE ABOVE ALL OTHER MAN-MADE CREATURES, BUT A CREATURE NEVERTHELESS". This resistance started the Arianist and Monophysite movement against the Serapis image (shown here http://urlm.in/gcuc ) and continued with the coming of the European Arab Monophysite in the seventh century (after the beginning of Christianity, which began with the Council of Chalcedon in the 5th century AD). The Arabs continued the resistance after being taught and introduced to Monophysite Christianity by the Coptic Egyptian (Jacob Baradaeus aka James Baradai). Eventually this led to the iconoclasm controversy which caused the Council of Niceae II to be convened in 787 AD. and continued into the Photius - Filioque schism 869-870 AD. and the tenth century Bogomil schism.

You are witnessing elements of a 921 year argument you know absolutely nothing about. It is time for that to change. Arius and many others lost their lives.....sacrificed their lives trying to tell you the Truth......and idiot uneducated Pastors have stood in the way of you ever gaining a clue as to what actually happened.

The controversy over Arianism began to rise in the late 3rd century and extended over the greater part of the 4th century and involved most church members, simple believers, priests and monks as well as bishops, emperors and members of Rome's imperial family. Yet, such a deep controversy within the Church could not have materialized in the 3rd and 4th centuries without some significant historical influences providing the basis for the Arian doctrines. Many historians define and minimize the Arian conflict as the exclusive construct of Arius and a handful of rogue bishops engaging in heresy. Of the roughly three hundred bishops in attendance at the Council of Nicea, only three bishops did not sign the Nicene Creed. However, to minimize the extent of Arianism ignores the fact that extremely prominent Emperors such as Constantius II, and Valens were Arians, as well as prominent Gothic, Vandal and Lombard warlords both before and after the fall of the Western Roman Empire, and that none of these groups was out of the mainstream of the Roman Empire in the 4th century.[citation needed]

The focus of the Council of Nicaea was the divinity of Christ (see Paul of Samosata and the Synods of Antioch). Arius taught that Jesus Christ was divine and was sent to earth for the salvation of mankind but that Jesus Christ was not equal to the Father (infinite, primordial origin) and to the Holy Spirit (giver of life). Under Arianism, Christ was instead not consubstantial with God the Father [10] since both the Father and the Son under Arius were made of "like" essence or being (see homoiousia) but not of the same essence or being (see homoousia).[10] Ousia is essence or being, in Eastern Christianity, and is the aspect of God that is completely incomprehensible to mankind and human perception. It is all that subsists by itself and which has not its being in another.[11] God the Father and God the Son and God the Holy Spirit all being uncreated.[12] According to the teaching of Arius, the preexistent Logos and thus the incarnate Jesus Christ was a created being; that only the Son was directly created and begotten by God the Father, before ages, but was of a distinct, though similar, essence or substance to the Creator; his opponents argued that this would make Jesus less than God, and that this was heretical.[10] Much of the distinction between the differing factions was over the phrasing that Christ expressed in the New Testament to express submission to God the Father.[10] The theological term for this submission is kenosis. This Ecumenical council declared that Jesus Christ was a distinct being of God in existence or reality (hypostasis), which the Latin fathers translated as persona. Jesus was God in essence, being and or nature (ousia), which the Latin fathers translated as substantia.

Christianity was first brought to the geographical area corresponding to modern Greece by the Apostle Paul, although the church’s apostolicity also rests upon St. Andrew who preached the gospel in Greece and suffered martyrdom in Patras, Titus, Paul’s companion who preached the gospel in Crete where he became bishop, Philip who, according to the tradition, visited and preached in Athens, Luke the Evangelist who was martyred in Thebes, Lazarus of Bethany, Bishop of Kittium in Cyprus, and John the Theologian who was exiled on the island of Patmos where he received the Revelation recorded in the last book of the New Testament. In addition, the Theotokos is regarded as having visited the Holy Mountain in 49 AD according to tradition. Thus Greece became the first European area to accept the gospel of Christ. Towards the end of the 2nd century the early apostolic bishoprics had developed into metropolitan sees in the most important cities. Such were the sees of Thessaloniki, Corinth, Nicopolis, Philippi and Athens.[1]

By the 4th century almost the entire Balkan peninsula constituted the Exarchate of Illyricum which was under the jurisdiction of the Bishop of Rome. Illyricum was assigned to the jurisdiction of the Patriarch of Constantinople by the emperor in 732. From then on the Church in Greece remained under Constantinople till the fall of the Byzantine empire to the Turks in 1453. As an integral part of the Ecumenical Patriarchate the church remained under its jurisdiction up to the time when Greece won her freedom from Turkish domination.[1] During the Ottoman occupation up to 6,000 Greek clergymen, ca. 100 Bishops, and 11 Patriarchs knew the Ottoman sword.[2]

David...choose your sources more carefully. Your source mentions 'Paul' as if he was an historical figure. This is a faux pas on your part. Biblical figure heads are ficticious, incarnated ....characters, loosely asscociated with historical figures in a literary effort to lend credence to their existence. When using a 'source' that speaks of a fictional biblical character in the 'historical' sense you have contaminated your efforts at elucidating the historical record. A true historical text will never mention 'Paul' as there was never a 'Paul'. A Christian apologist piece of literature diguising itself as an objective historical text...will mention 'Paul', in an historical sense; just as they will Jesus and the rest of the 'Biblical cast' from Abraham on down. In all of the historical record that I have exposed on this page in this blog you have never once heard the names of ANY of the biblical characters mentioned. Why? Because as far as the historical record is concerned....NONE OF THESE PEOPLE EVER EXISTED. Martin Luther tried to tell you about that during the reformation when he attacked the Catholic Church and their efforts at trying to pass off the New Testament as 'historical'.

im still here... im just moving slow.... I'll be better prepared later today.....

Take your time S'star!!

SEE ALL OF YOU WHEN I GET BACK.

I figured by now we'd have have a Pastor or two jump in. Probably never done this much reading in their life....they'd better run for Strobel's 'A Case for Christ'.
That stuff in there is so remedial it's not even funny. Figured sombody'd pulled it out this deep into the dialogue (smile). I'm patient. I;msure someone will slipup and go there with me....not a bright move though I welcome the moment they choose to (smile). Hope my Muslim brothers and sister's on here don't get too comfortable; when I'm done with Christianity and Judaism....your precious Allah, Muhammad, Quran and Islam are next(smile). I take no prisoners. Just thought you should know.
Who's next? Where were we?

Christine, do you think John the Baptist is historical? He is described in Josephus, but I'm not aware of any other source. Jesus is also described in Josephus but neither citation appears authentic. I have no doubt Christianity originated in Alexandria, but how did it come to be associated with Palestine, or southern Syria, whatever we choose to name that region? Whre did the sayings of Jesus originate? I have a hypothesis that they may have originated with John the Baptist.

This region, Palestine was in the middle of two great civilizations, and was constantly contended for. At the time of the Septuagint it was between the Ptolemaic and Seleucid empires. Is this why Ptolemy II had the Septuagint written, to gain favor with the inhabitants of that region, those we call the Jews?. Were the gospels written for the same reason?

Who are the true writers of the gospels and the epistles of Paul? Where did the sayings of Jesus come from? Do we have any clues?. This genesis of a Jesus centered cult has got to be the most obscure part of ancient history I know of.

I don't mean to say that I don't see the connection between Serapis and Jesus, but just like we can trace Serapis from Osiris/Apis/Memphis, where is the connection from Serapis/Alexandria to Jesus/Palestine?

And I might add that now I am reading the introduction to the New English Translation of the Septuagint, and it is amazing to see the biblical scholars discussing the differences between the Septuagint and Masoretic texts, on the assumption that the Hebrew came first. And I'm thinking, where is the proof for this assumption, and how different it would be if we assumed that the Septuagint came first.

http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/nets/edition/

The Septuagint was also the Bible of the early Greek Fathers, and helped to mold dogma; it furnished proof-texts to both parties in the Arian controversy. Its language gives it another strong claim to recognition. Uncouth and unclassical as much of it appears, we now know that this is not wholly due to the hampering effects of translation. "Biblical Greek," once considered a distinct species, is now a rather discredited term. The hundreds of contemporary papyrus records (letters, business and legal documents, etc.) recently discovered in Egypt illustrate much of the vocabulary and grammar and go to show that many so-called "Hebraisms" were in truth integral parts of the koine, or "common language," i.e. the international form of Greek which, since the time of Alexander, replaced the old dialects, and of which the spoken Greek of today is the lineal descendant. The version was made for the populace and written in large measure in the language of their everyday life. (1)

This is of special interest: "many so-called "Hebraisms" were in truth integral parts of the koine".

http://www.bible-researcher.com/isbelxx01....

Christine, could you point me to where Martin Luther discusses the question of historicity of the New Testament? Okay, I'm not trying to be lazy, I'll see if I can find it.

adam see if this link can help you find what your looking for
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...

My teacher...the person who has taught me ALL that I know is my brother SHAKKA AHMOSE of the Nile Valley Movement http://urlm.in/gccy

He is better than even I. He is coming to this site, today....seek him out. Add him as a 'friend' if you wish to know more. All that you have learned here you owe to Him.
Never forget him. it was his sacrifice of many years of study and initiation into the Truths that made this knowledge available. His favorite teacher is Walter Williams...but he knows even more than Walter. My brother Shakka Ahmose....seek him out http://urlm.in/gccx)


Good bye....I love you all. And I mean ALL...I left no one out.

Hotep.

Christine, I will follow the links, thank you. As an aside, only because I have nowhere else to ask this, may I comment on your blogs? I read with great interest your blog on MAAT HOTEP RECORDS.

Thanks for the link David, I am now reading here as well as where Christine pointed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt_%28Roma...

Adam...you are always welcome. You have shown strength of character.....much more important than knowledge will ever be.

Thank you Christine. But I am somehow blocked at the moment.

@Everyone

Adam Asked/said:

"I don't mean to say that I don't see the connection between Serapis and Jesus, but just like we can trace Serapis from Osiris/Apis/Memphis, where is the connection from Serapis/Alexandria to Jesus/Palestine? "



I never said my testimony was complete Adam (smile). I'm basically just taking a break to get other things done. I'll be back. Hope you didnt think I was finished (smile).....we gotta get David's blog 1 million hits. That's a significant number of black minds that will be set free the lies of Christianity, Judaism....and yes, Islam.

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Hermes Trismegistus
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Hermes Trismegistus (Greek: Ἑρμῆς ὁ Τρισμέγιστος, "thrice-great Hermes"; Latin: Mercurius ter Maximus) is the representation of the syncretic combination of the Greek god Hermes and the Egyptian god Thoth.[1] In Hellenistic Egypt, the Greeks recognised the congruence of their god Hermes with the Egyptian god Thoth.[2] Subsequently the two gods were worshipped as one in what had been the Temple of Thoth in Khemnu, which the Greeks called Hermopolis.
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* 1 Origin and identity
* 2 Thrice Great
* 3 Hermetic writings
* 4 Hermetic revival
* 5 In Islamic tradition
* 6 In the Bahá'í writings
* 7 New Age revival
* 8 See also
* 9 Notes
* 10 References
* 11 Further reading
* 12 External links

[edit] Origin and identity

Both Thoth and Hermes were gods of writing and of magic in their respective cultures. Thus, the Greek god of interpretive communication was combined with the Egyptian god of wisdom as a patron of astrology and alchemy. In addition, both gods were psychopomps; guiding souls to the afterlife. And there is also a connection with the Egyptian Priest and Polymath Imhotep[citation needed].

Despite the rivalry of his fellow priests, Imhotep's reputation was such that he came to be worshiped as a god during later dynasties, particularly during the "New Kingdom." Imhotep was regarded as a god of healing. In Memphis and Thebes he was revered as divine Son of the God Ptah. He became the patro god of scirbes, and the clerks sacrificed to him before beginning to write any work: to him was offered a drop of ink, from each document written. During the Ptolemaic period when the Greeks ruled Egypt, Imhotep came to be associated with the Greek god of healing, Asclepius. Imhotep was a popular deity, and many prayed for his help in the affairs of everyday life. The anniversaries of his birth, death, and funeral were celebrated throughout Egypt.

http://www.egyptpast.com/pyramids/imhotep....

"Homage to thee, Osiris, Lord of eternity, King of the Gods, whose names are manifold, whose forms are holy, thou being of hidden form in the temples, whose Ka is holy. Thou art the governor of Tattu (Busiris), and also the mighty one in Sekhem (Letopolis). Thou art the Lord to whom praises are ascribed in the nome of Ati, thou art the Prince of divine food in Anu. Thou art the Lord who is commemorated in Maati, the Hidden Soul, the Lord of Qerrt (Elephantine), the Ruler supreme in White Wall (Memphis). Thou art the Soul of Ra, his own body, and hast thy place of rest in Henensu (Herakleopolis). Thou art the beneficent one, and art praised in Nart. Thou makest thy soul to be raised up. Thou art the Lord of the Great House in Khemenu (Hermopolis). Thou art the mighty one of victories in Shas-hetep, the Lord of eternity,

INSTRUCTIONS FROM PETOSIRIS:
You, the
living who are on earth, who will see this dwellling of eternity and will walk
...by it, come, and I will guide you in the way of life. If you listen to my
words, if you understand and observe their meaning, you will find that this
attitude will be beneficial to you.

Great is
the Law of Ma-at, Its efficiency lasting. The Law has not been disturbed since
the time of Osiris. When the end comes, The Law will remain.

Keep
closed to the law, Never overstep it.

Injustice
exists in abundance, But evil can never succeed in the long run.

Punish
with principle, Teach meaningfully. The act of stopping evil leads to the
lasting establishment of virtue.

Follow
your heart all your life, Do not commit excess with respect to what has been
ordained. Do not cut short the time for following your heart. To waste a single
moment of actions of the heart is an insult to the Ka, your soul. Do not divert
your daily routine excessively to support your household. When things happen,
follow your heart. The negligent will never profit.

If he
who listens, listens fully, Then he who listens becomes he who understands.
When hearing is good, speech is good. He who listens becomes the master of what
is profitable. Listening benefits the listener. To listen is better than
anything. Thus is perfect love born.

As for
the ignorant man who does not listen, He accomplishes nothing.

Do not
be proud of being wise. Consult with the ignorant as with the wise. The limits
of art have not been attained; there is no artist fully equipped with his excellence.
Perfect speech is concealed, more than turquoise; yet it is found among the
maids at millstones.

AMENEMOPE:

Read these texts well: They inform and they educate. If you read them to an ignorant man, He will be enlightened thanks to them. Fill yourself with these texts, Keep them in your heart.

THE INSTRUCTIONS OF AMENOPE:

Beginning of the teaching for life, the instruction for well being, every rule for relations with elders, for conduct towards magistrates; knowing how to answer to one who speaks, to reply to one who sends a message. So as to direct him on the paths of life, to make him prosper upon earth; to let his heart enter his shrine, steering clear of evil.

2. Beware of robbing a wretch, of attacking a cripple; don't stretch your hand out to touch an old man, nor open your mouth to an elder. Don't let yourself be sent on a mischievous errand, nor be as friends with one who does it. Don't raise an outcry against one who attacks you, nor answer him yourself. He who does evil, the shore rejects him, its floodwaters carry him away. The north wind descends to end his hour, it mingles with the thunderstorm, the storm clouds thunder, the crocodiles are vicious, You Heated Man, how are you now?

3. Don't start a quarrel with a hot-mouthed man, nor needle him with words. Pause before a foe, bend before an attacker, sleep on it before speeking. A storm that bursts like fire through straw, such is the heated man in his hour. Withdraw from him, leave him alone, the God knows how to answer him.

4. The truly silent, who keeps apart, He is like a tree grown in a meadow. It greens, it doubles its yield, It stands in front of His lord. Its fruits are sweet, its shade is delightfull, Its end comes in the garden.

5. Cling to be silent, then you'll find life. Your being will prosper upon earth.

6. Better is poverty in the hand of the God, than bread in a storehouse; Better is bread with a happy heart, than wealth with vexation.

7. Do not set your heart on wealth, there is no ignoring Fate and Destiny; do not let your heart go straying, every man comes to his hour. Do not strain to seek increase, what you have, let it suffice you. If riches come to you by theft, they will not stay the night with you. Comes day they aren't in your house, their place is seen but they are not there: Earth opened his mouth, levelled them, swallowed them.

8. Keep your tongue free from evil words, and you will be loved by men. Put the good remark in your tongue, while the bad is concealed in your belly.

9. Do not befriend the heated man, nor approach him in conversation. Swift is the speech of one who is angered, more than wind over water. He tears down, he builds up with his tongue, when he makes his hurtfull speech.

10. Do not sever your heart from your tongue, that all your strivings may succeed. You will be weighty before the others, and secure in the hand of God. God hates the falsifier of words, he greatly abhors the dissembler.

11. Where there is fraud, success is feeble, the Bad spoilts the Good.

12. If a man is observed on a fraudulent errand, he will not be sent on another occasion.

13. Do not cheat a man through pen upon scroll, the God abhors it; do not bear witness with false words, so as to brush aside another with your tongue. Do not asses a man who has done nothing, and thus falsify your pen. If you find a large debt against a poor man, make it into three parts; forgive two, let one stand. You will find it a path of life.

15. Do the good and you will prosper, do not dip your pen to injure a man.

16. What good is one dressed in finery, if he cheats before the God? Faience, disguished as gold, comes day, it turns to lead.

17. A measurer who indulges in cheating, His Eye seals the verdict against him.

18. Do not lie down in fear of tomorrow: "Comes day, how will tomorrow be?" Man ignores how tomorrow will be; God is ever in His perfection, Man is ever in his failure.

If one strains to seek perfection, in a moment he has marred it. Keep firm your heart, steady your heart, do not steer with your tongue; if a man's tongue is the boat's rudder, the Lord of All is yet its pilot.

The words men say are one thing, the deeds of the God are another. Do not say: "I have done no wrong and than strain to seek another quarrel.

19. Do not go to court before an official, in order to falsify your words; do not vaccilate in your answers, when your witnesses accuse.

20. Do not confound a man in the law court, in order to brush aside on one whose right. Do not incline to the well dressed man, and rebuff the one in rags. Don't accept the gift of a powerfull man, and deprive the weak for his sake.

21. Broadcast not your words to others, nor join one who bares his heart. Better is one whose speech is in his belly than he who tells it to cause harm.

22. Indeed you should not know the plans of God, and should not weep for tomorrow.

23. An official is great in his office, as a well is rich in drawing water.

24. The heart of a man is a gift of God, beware of negleckting it.

25. Man is clay and straw, the God is his builder.

26. The pilot who sees from far, he will not wreck his boat.

27. Do not revile one older than you, he has seen Ra before you.

28. God prefers him who honors the poor to him who worships the wealthy.

30. Look at these thirty chapters, they inform, they educate; they are the foremost books, they make the ignorant wise.

DOESENT THIS LOOK LIKE THE BIBLE !

The declaration of innocense.



Hail to thee, great lord of justice. I have come to you, my lord, that

thou may bring me so that I may see your beauty, for I know thou and I

know your name, and I know te names of the fourty-two Gods of those

who are with thou in this Hall of Justice. Lord of Truth is thy name.

Behold, I have come to you, I have brought you truth, I have repelled

falsehood for you. I have not done falsehood against men; I have not

impoverished my associates; I have done no wrong in the Place of

Truth, I have not learned that which is not; I have done no evil; I

have not daily made labor in excess of what is due to be done for me;

my name has not reached the offices of those who control slaves; I

have not slandered a servant to his master; I have not caused pain; I

have not made hungry; I have not made to weep; I have not killed; I

have not commanded to kill; I have not made suffering for anyone.

I am pure, pure, pure.



Ten of the 42 commandments, 1500 years before Moses

I have not done inequity.

I have done no murder; I have done no harm.

I have not committed fornication.

I have not defiled the wife of any man.

I have never cursed or opposed Neter.

I have not polluted myself.

I have not acted with insolence.

I have not stirred up strife.

I have not plundered the Neter.

I have not spoken lies.

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Welcome back Steve!!! Where's Adam?? Personally I have read the Gnostic Bible... I find it abit off!! The Nag Hammadi Library.... is interesting!! David's been posting some information from the The Septuagint Bible .... It's very interesting!!

I've got four days to catch up to where everyone is.... Powell Robert.... no female bashing aloud!

The story of the "Great Flood" in the Hebrew bible was taken from the
chronicles of Gilgamesh in ancient Persia. Very little in the biblical
accounts are original. The Hebrews took many of their stories from the
Egyptians, the Persians, and the Canaanites. And Christians took elements
of the story of Horus (Eygpt) and tranmogrified them into Jesus tales.
Ancient myths evolved into stories from Mithra (Persia) and Krishna
(India). That virgin births, resurrections of the dead, and gods came down
to Earth in human form are from antiquity.

The myth of Osiris has been important to other cultures as a death and
reserrection mth, the notions of dying and rising saviour and the gift of
immortality sought after by ordinary people and by kings and pharaohs and
Osiris became a great symbol of eternal persistence of LIFE and
"immortality."

Ra was one of the most important god since Pre-Dynastic Period
- The only important god who was worshiped with consistency through all history
- Father and the King of All gods,
- One Of The Creators of the World along with Ptah and Amun
- Pharaohs of the Old Kingdom venerated Him as their family patron, and called themselves "sons of Ra" in official titles and constructed sun- temples and pyramids.
- His popularity in Egypt was immanent as sunlight itself, continued throughout history, even great Names as Amun and Ptah had to "share the spotlight" with him
- In Amun's case, during the New Kingdom, a composite Name Amun -Ra was created to avoid slighting either cult,
- He lives within the actual physical disk of sun, described in myth as the " boat of Millions of Years" which rises and sets each day, riding from horizon to horizon on the back of Night, and traversing during the hours of darkness the underworld where his enemies reside.

* Egyptians believed that human soul was composed of two parts, the Ka (physical soul) and Ba (conscience)
* The Egyptians also believed in the concept of akh which was the transformation of some of the noble dead into eternal objects.
* The nobles were often conceived of as being transformed into stars, thus joining in the cosmic universe.

- Eternal life was only granted to those who had a proper tomb and funeral, thus rich men had greater chance of achieving eternity - this idea of justice by modern standards seems unjust by itself!!
- The dead were provided with food and drink, weapons, and toiletry articles.
- Tombs were often visited by the family, who brought new offerings. The practice of feeding the dead continues in Egypt even in our own day!!
- Proper precautions and care for the dead were mandatory to insure immortality. - The first Christians likely followed the national customs of the people among whom they lived,
- Funerals provide hope and support for the family and friends, but has no lasting effect in determining the fate and future afterlife of the deceased

Whassup Family! Looking Good Looking Good!

Christine if you were within my reach I will hug you...you are a blessing my sister!

I will supplement the absence of my presence with excellent lectures.
Start with this one as it is the best Walter Williams available and it is different from the original one I posted:




Dr. Walter Williams Euro-Man's Religion 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmuX4dmLJeo

Dr. Walter Williams Euro-Man's Religion 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDQRG4POYLE

Dr. Walter Williams Euro-Man's Religion 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql1Me2klkPY


.Dr. Walter Williams Euro-Man's Religion 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mOcb8wMZOo

Dr. Walter Williams Euro-Man's Religion 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QcoZkvJ4Rw

Dr. Walter Williams Euro-Man's Religion 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8_li3DjLrU...

Dr. Walter Williams Euro-Man's Religion 7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_Xl1xyDAAE...

Dr. Walter Williams Euro-Man's Religion 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AooQrLydYdw...

Dr. Walter Williams Euro-Man's Religion 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i1pcz1vfzU...

Dr. Walter Williams Euro-Man's Religion 10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOp-rAZT_E4...

Dr. Walter Williams Euro-Man's Religion 11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlcEd0VbxiU...

Dr. Walter Williams Euro-Man's Religion 12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buE2u9qVKcE...

Dr.Walter Williams Euro-Man's Religion 13
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IUKaiRuE9k...

Hi Princess.... no offense, but I don't particularly find Dr. Williams interesting.... Sorry

@David (((The dead were provided with food and drink, weapons, and toiletry articles))) in the tombs right? I know they buried their jewelry and gold in the walls of the tombs.... Ummm let me go read....

Queen Cynthia that's fine, there are those who will. He is in point of fact the source of 99% of the accurate information on this page. He taught my brother, my brother taught me....I taught all of you. The information speaks for itself and is verified by the historical record. It is this man who should rightfully be credited with retrieving the historical record on behalf of his people. Many don't like the fact that he sounds like a country bumpkin who rubs their erroneous religious assumptions the wrong way. That's fine as well....why? Because it is scholarship that is unassailable. Therefore if you are here to learn and that is your primary objective I highly reccommend that you reconsider and listen to what he has to say....because there is no one alive who knows the historical record as does he, except for my teacher, my brother Shakka Ahmose of the Nile Valley Movement.

Dr.Walter Williams / Afrikan Liberation 2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXnniTcHA_k...

Dr.Walter Williams / Afrikan Liberation-pt.3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Mg331CVx7I...

Dr.Walter Williams / Afrikan Liberation-pt.4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUJsJq-ElaI...

Dr.Walter Williams / Afrikan Liberation pt. 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nerKNBm80XI...

Dr.Walter Williams / Afrikan Liberation pt. 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb6Pc3Q6nTA...

Dr.Walter Williams / Afrikan Liberation pt. 7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cZMS13_6f4...

Dr.Walter Williams / Afrikan Liberation pt. 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VECkUi-sbbU...

Dr.Walter Williams / Afrikan Liberation pt. 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3t8n2bgdYY...

"Slavery was way back then" Prof Amos Wilson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uoi-5HnBlDE

Rkhty Amen pt 1 of 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSv7RfAPHCg

Rkhty Amen pt 2 of 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW0DkpwXado...

Rkhty Amen pt 3 of 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOI4gblIYFU...

Rkhty Amen pt 4 of 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am62hJ99yRA...

Rkhty Amen pt 5 of 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEzAOS0GIU0...

Rkhty Amen pt 6 of 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg8_sH71UFE...

Rkhty Amen pt 7 of 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxGHqLgvxyk...

Rkhty Amen pt 8 of 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf2K7At-wDc...

Rkhty Amen Part 1 of 4.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v3l9wxOWRs...

Rkhty Amen part 2 of 4.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axv_7OcIAX0...

Rkhty Amen part 3 of 4.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgcSBiBJJus...

Rkhty Amen part 4 of 4.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD9H0PoiyYk...

Rkhty Amen Breaking Down the Pert Em Hrw Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltpmCzB0Q4A

Rkhty Amen Breaking Down the Pert Em Hrw Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfyNxMZypMM

Rkhty Amen Breaking Down the Pert Em Hrw Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7VodaAIFtQ

Rkhty Amen Breaking Down the Pert Em Hrw Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiMS4A_hb1w

ALL OF THIS INFORMATION IS COURTESY OF: NILEVALLEYMOVEMENT.COM

ok.... ok... I must remain open and objective.. I followed and listened to the first links you posted .... I found his information to enlightning. I think where I feel of the hair with his presentation... He seemed to be very descriptive for a man who was not around during that Era...

Queen Cynthia, I myself was not around during any of the eras we've thus far referenced. This in no way has any impact whatsoever on the accuracy of the historical record. The historical record speaks for itself in it's entirety and is above the opinion of anyone of us, myself included. The historical record and the historical record alone allows one to speak authoritatively should they so choose to do so, just as a prosecuting attorney may so speak if he or she has the corroborating testimony of an expert air-tight 'witness'. It is not necessary for us to hypothesize about the color of the people of Ancient Egypt when references to such matters are substantiated by the historical record. The historical record moves us from the low standards of 'opinion' to the reliable, fertile, plateau of facts. In other words when we reference the historical record....we know what we are talking about....we are not guessing. It is no less a mathematical approach to the elucidation of the past than longitude and lattitude are to cartography (ie.the science of map making). Therefore all of our respect is for the historical record, not for the old prejudices of our miseducation at the hands of those who were and are ignorant of the historical record themselves. Rather than superimpose your opinion of Dr Williams on to the man himself (which of course you have every right under the sun to do so) might I suggest that you invest time and study into the historical assertions made by Dr Williams? There and there alone, in your own research will have found him to either be in error, or as accurate as I have found him to be.

wow this is a lot im going to study and report ! thank you !!

@ David

Spoken like a true Son of Afrika....keep on.

i got 5 full pages i wrote so far and i am getting a real good understanding i am in study mode

this blog is pack with useful info !

Better times com'n

i am studying the Christians and the Muslims wow this is a wake up call and the writings are a eye opener this blog is really a place where you can find your black history from a black prospective now this is really on going for 2010 it could last for years ,,,,,thats the concept of this information to stay alive ! thats my job !!!

First, let me greet you all in Peace! I will answer the question as succinctly as possible.
Q: what was the religion of Africa before slavery ?
A: Black practiced many religions: Animist, Islam, Hebrew (NOT Judaism) and Coptic Christianity (NOT the Christianity that is practiced in America and that is why the Muslims, Hebrews & Black Christians were able to live together in Peace). The Original "religion" that Adam practiced had no name, however if it were to be given a name it would be called: Obedience, Obey, Submit to the Will of Allah (God). That is at the root of every religion!

Q: when the Europeans came to Africa Was slavery a religious issue?
A: Slavery was not condoned by any religion until the Europeans used Christianity to justify enslaving the Black Africans. Till then, no true Muslims, Christians & Hebrew practice Slavery, although individuals in the religion did. The difference is when the Pope sanctioned the practice of Slavery and would even bless the slave ships with safe passage. The Fist slave ship was called the 'Good ship Jesus' another was called 'Holy Mary.'

Q: Did Christianity support slavery?
A: White Christianity did. White Christianity is (=) White Supremacy is (=) Capitalism; where you see one in the world, you see the other and you will recognize white ruling the darker people under injustice even though they claim Jesus. The practice of religion is NOT submitting to the Will of Allah, but to their own will. ei White Supremacy is there religion.

Q: What year did slavery start?
1555, that is in the Congressional Library. It did not start in 1619
NOTE: The Black man & woman are the fulfillment of Abraham's Prophecy (Genesis 15). That is NOT the Jews in Israel, they were NEVER in bondage in Egypt, that was Prophecy too.

Q: What were the historical roots of African-American slavery?
A: The historical roots start 6 thousand years ago with the appearance of the white man on the planet. He was made to enslave the Black man until the coming of God (see Genesis 15). Before that time slavery was never meant to be perpetual, without end. Slavery was actually serfdom or servitude were the individual would at some point in time be integrated into the society. Blacks were NEVER meant to be integrated. It was sanctioned by the Queen of England who got permission from the Pope.

Get 'MESSAGE TO THE BLACKMAN & OUR SAVIOUR HAS ARRIVED.

Peace Family, In addition to the books that Brother Steven mentioned above, I encourage you to check out the book Black Arabia and the African Origin Of Islam by Dr. Wesley Muhammad, Phd.

Thanks for stopping by Brother Steven! As-Salaam Alaikum!

Hello everyone, I'm back. I need to catch up.

welcome back ms JOHNSON !
HOPE ALL IS WELL !

Y'all really don't want me to step in this one....Enjoy.

yes we do want you to open the eyes of the blind ! teach sister teach !

wow this is deep .

@ David


It's about to get alot deeper.

Steven Mohammad
You said, the Pope sanctioned the practice of Slavery and would even bless the slave ships with safe passage. The first slave ship was called the 'Good ship Jesus' another was called 'Holy Mary.'

Can this information be verified, I am in total shock!

Anyone want to go to war (scholarship wise)...I'm wit it. Bored. Don't mind crushing some more nonsense. My people seem to have it coming out of their ears.

Thanks Christine I just wanted to have a reference to refer to for my religious fanatic sister and brothers, who think I,m not as faithful as they are. This information should shield a lot of light on their condition.

In Christian Western Europe, down to the 13th century or so, there was a mistaken Medieval Christian view of Muhammad belief among some, that Muslims worshiped Mahomet, while some considered him a heretic.[4] Other Middle ages European literature referred to Muslims as "pagans" or by sobriquets such as the paynim foe. Depictions, such as those in the Song of Roland, represent Muslims worshiping Muhammad as a god, or worshiping various deities in the form of "idols", ranging from Apollo to Lucifer, but ascribing to them a chief deity known as "Termagant".[5] When the Knights Templar were being tried for heresy, reference was often made to their worship of a demon Baphomet, which was notable by implication, for its similarity to the common of the Islamic prophet's name, "Mahomet", that was used by Christian writers of the time.[4]

These and other variations on the theme were all set in the "temper of the times" of the Muslim-Christian conflict as Medieval Europe was becoming aware of its great enemy in the wake of the quickfire success of the Muslims through a series of conquests shortly after the fall of the Western Roman Empire, as well as the lack of real information in the West of the mysterious east.[6]

European literature from the Middle Ages often referred to Muslims as pagans, or by sobriquets such as the paynim foe. These depictions naively represent Muslims worshipping Muhammad as a god and depict them worshipping various deities in the form of idols (cult images), ranging from Apollo to Lucifer, but their chief deity was typically named Termagant.

The origin of the name Termagant is unknown, and does not seem to derive from any actual aspect of Muslim belief or practice, however wildly distorted. W. W. Skeat in the 19th century, speculated that the name was originally "Trivagante", meaning 'thrice wandering', a reference to the moon, because of the Islamic use of crescent moon imagery. An Old English origin has also been suggested, from tiw mihtig r ("very mighty"), referring to the Germanic god Tiw. Another possibility is that it derives from a confusion between Muslims and the Zoroastrian Magi of ancient Iran: thus tyr-magian, or "Magian god".

paynim (plural paynims)

1. (archaic) A pagan or heathen, especially a Muslim or Jew.  [quotations ▼]
. paynim - a heathen; a person who is not a Christian (especially a Muslim)
Mohammedanism, Muhammadanism, Muslimism, Islam, Islamism - the monotheistic religious system of Muslims founded in Arabia in the 7th century and based on the teachings of Muhammad as laid down in the Koran; "
gentile, heathen, infidel, pagan - a person who does not acknowledge your god

Islam Is Paganism In Monotheistic Wrapping Paper.
Muhammad chose one god, from among hundreds of pagan gods, to be his one monotheistic god.
Islam is "Polytheism with a monotheistic veil". Islam is Repackaged Polytheism.

Many elements of pagan worship that Muhammad grafted directly into Islam virtually
unchanged.Arab Pagan worship 500-610 AD


As Muhammad developed Islam he borrowed from the other regional religions present in the Mideast. These religions include Judaism, Christianity, Sabeanism, Zoroastrianism, and forms of paganism. Judaism is the largest contributor to Islam, followed by Christianity, then followed by the various pagan religions, and Muhammad’s mind. These pagan borrowings constitute significant facets of Islam and this article details some of these pagan contributions.







1) PAGANISM IN ISLAM



Islamic theology has some of its roots in various pagan beliefs. Primary to Islam is it's most holiest shrine: the Kaba.





THE KABA

The Kaba is now the most revered sanctuary of Islam. It is located in Mecca. Muslims throughout the world direct their prayers toward the Kaba.





PHYSICAL SHAPE

The Kaba's shape is somewhat cubical. Of note in the Kaba's structure is a black rock built into the wall in its eastern corner. The black rock's diameter is about 12 inches. It is reddish black in color, and has red and yellow particles. The black rock is kissed during the perambulation, (the circulation of the Muslims around the Kaba). The Kaba is about 50 feet high, and the walls are about 40 feet long. The facade contains the door, which starts at 7 feet off the ground, and faces N.E.. To enter the Kaba, a ladder must be used. Also built in the eastern corner, is another stone called "lucky". This stone is only touched, not kissed.





KNOWN PAGAN HISTORY

Apart from Muslim myths, little is really known about the history of the Kaba. About 60 years before Christ, the Roman historian Diodorus Siculus commented that there was in Arabia a temple greatly revered by the Arabs. It is probable that he had the Kaba in mind. It was later mentioned to have existed in the 2nd century; Ptolemy, the geographer mentions it in his work, calling it the 'macoraba'. The Kaba was a sanctuary dedicated to one or more pagan deities. The accounts of the campaigns of Abraha note that it was a place of pagan worship in the 6th century. Information on the distribution of the offices among the sons of Kusayy show that the worship of the sanctuary had developed into a regulated cult several generations before Muhammad.

One historian (Hurgronjes) said that sacred worship may have developed around the area because the Zamzam spring was found in this waterless place.



Pre-Islamic history tells us that many Arabian tribes were stone worshippers. This is also mentioned in Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol 5, #661. The Old Testament even talks about Mideast pagan groups that worshipped stones. Muhammad incorporated the Kaba's paganistic roots into Islam to give the Muslims a sense of identity, legitimacy, and uniqueness. He also wanted to ease the Arab's strain of moving from paganism to Islam, by continuing the practices of their fathers.

Bedouins of the Hijaz on their caravan journeys to Syria and other Christian centers undoubtedly carried back with them a superficial knowledge of Christian beliefs and customs. Dissident Christian sects, mostly of the Monophysite confession, and numerous monks turned ascetics had their retreats in the steppes of north Arabia along caravan routes. As a caravan leader, Muhammad is supposed to have befriended a Christian monk, Babira; it is said that he even wore tunics which were the gifts of other Christian monks. Two Christianized Arab tribes, Judham and `Udhra, roamed the Hijaz. According to local tradition, there were even Christian religious artifacts in the Ka`bah at Mecca. It is not unlikely that Muhammad may have exchanged religious views with monks, even with Christians who possessed some formal knowledge of Christian theology. Jacobites and Nestorians. are known to have conducted active missionary activities among the pagan tribes of Arabia; indeed, priests and deacons were assigned to each tribe, and in Najran the Monophysites had established churches which, when persecuted by dhu-Nuwas, invited Abyssinian intervention. Monasteries astride caravan routes were open day and night to traveling caravans and roaming Bedouins. Here, besides receiving food and shelter, they undoubtedly had occasion to 'observe such practices as praying, fasting, and alms giving three of the five basic injunctions of Islam. The Nestorians had established schools and some churches in many of the towns frequented by Arab tribesmen of the Hijaz. (Islam, Beliefs And Observances, Caesar E. Farah, p2-7, 26-35)

* The Quran repeats fanciful Arabian fables as if they were true.
* "Arabic legends about the fabulous jinns fill its pages" (G.G. Pfander, Balance of Truth, pp. 283).
* "The story of the she-camel who leapt out of a rock and became a prophet was known long before Muhammad" (Suras 7:73-77,85; 91:14; 54:29).
* The story of an entire village of people who were turned into apes because they broke the sabbath by fishing was a popular legend in Muhammad's day (Suras 2:65; 7:163-166).
* The gushing 12 springs story found in Sura 2:60 comes from pre-Islamic legends.
* In what is called the "Rip Van Winkle" story, seven men and their animals slept for 309 years in a cave and then woke up perfectly fine (Sura 18:9-26)! This legend is found in Greek and Christian fables as well as Arabian lore.
* The fable of the pieces of four dead, cut-up birds getting up and flying was well known in Muhammad's time (Sura 2:260).
* It is also clear that Muhammad used such pre-Islamic literature as the Saba Moallaqat of Imra'ul Cays in his composition of Suras 21:96; 29:31,46; 37:59; 54:1, and 93:1.

Praying 5 times a day

1. Polytheistic worshippers prayed 5 times a day towards their local kaba’s.
2. "The Sabeans have five prayers similar to the five prayers of the Muslims. Others say they have seven prayers, five of which are comparable to the prayers of the Muslims with regard to time [that is, morning, noon, afternoon, evening and night; the sixth is at midnight and the seventh is at forenoon]. It is their practice to pray over the dead without kneeling down or even bending the knee. They also fast for one lunar month of thirty days; they start their fast at the last watch of the night and continue till the setting of the sun. Some of their sects fast during the month of Ramadan, face Ka'ba when they pray, venerate Mecca, and believe in making the pilgrimage to it. They consider dead bodies, blood and the flesh of pigs as unlawful. They also forbid marriage for the same reasons as do Muslims." (Bulugh al-'Arab fi Ahwal al-Arab, Muhammad Shukri al-Alusi, Vol 1, p 121-122, Muslim)

1. Prior to Islam the people would pray 5 times a day facing Mecca (
2. The Encyclopedia of Islam p. 303) Worshippers in pagan Sabian religion that worshipped stars were "obliged to pray three times a day" (
Preliminary Discourse to the Koran, Sale, 1801)

1. At first, Muhammad prayed towards Jerusalem, but when he was rejected by the Jews, started directing his prayers towards Mecca. Today, monotheistic Muslims pray 5 times a day towards Mecca to Allah. Muhammad grafted this pagan practice into Islam.

Muhammad incorporated parts of the religion of the Sabeans into Islam (Encyclopedia off Islam (ed. Eliade), pp. 303ff.; International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, pp. 1:219ff.).

He adopted such pagan rituals as:

* Worshiping at Kabah
* Praying five times a day towards Mecca (Muhammad chose five of the same times the Sabeans prayed).
* Fasting for part of a day for an entire month.

“THE BLOODIEST STORY IN HISTORY”
Will Durant in his The Story of Civilisations, describes the Muslim invasion of India as “probably the bloodiest story in history.” The North Western region of India is called the Hindu Kush (“the slaughter of the Hindu”) as a reminder of the vast number of Hindu slaves who died while being marched across the Afghan Mountains to the Muslim slave markets in Central Asia. The Buddhists were also targeted for destruction. In AD 1193 Muhammad Khilji burned to the ground their famous library and the Buddhist stronghold of Bihar.

Shah Jahan is remembered as the builder of the Taj Mahal. What few Westerners know is that the builder of the Taj Mahal launched 48 military campaigns against non-Muslims in just 30 years. In AD 1628 he killed all his male relatives. Shah Jahan had 5,000 concubines in his harem but also indulged in incestuous s*x with his daughters. In just one town, Banares, Jahan destroyed 76 Hindu temples. He also demolished Christian churches at Agra and Lahore. When he captured Hugh, a Portuguese enclave near Calcutta, he had 10,000 inhabitants “blown up with powder, drowned in water or burned by fire.” Another 4,000 were enslaved and offered Islam or death. Those who refused to convert were killed.

SPAIN UNDER THE MOORS
Neither was Spain under the Muslim Moors the jewel of Islamic tolerance that it is often purported to be. In AD 920 all the inhabitants of Muez were put to the sword. Cordova, Zarajoza and Merida were burned to the ground, with all adult males executed and all women and children enslaved. In AD 1066 all the Jews of Grenada were slaughtered. In AD 1126, all the Christians of Grenada were deported to Morocco.

In AD 1009, Kalif Hakem of Egypt ordered the destruction of the Holy Sepulchre and all Christian places of worship in Jerusalem. Christians were persecuted cruelly and pilgrims were attacked.

CARNAGE IN CONSTANTINOPLE
Under Mehmet II the Turks conquered the great Byzantine capital, Constantinople. On 29 May, AD 1453, waves of Turkish soldiers swept into Constantinople, the greatest city in the world at that time, and put it to the sword. Priceless libraries and irreplaceable works of art were burned, the population slaughtered, even in the Hagia Sophia, the greatest Christian church in the world at that time.

ISLAM IS THE BEAST 666
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The Quran repeats fanciful Arabian fables as if they were true.

"Arabic legends about the fabulous jinns fill its pages" (G.G. Pfander, Balance of Truth, pp. 283).

"The story of the she-camel who leapt out of a rock and became a prophet was known long before Muhammad" (Suras 7:73-77,85; 91:14; 54:29).

The story of an entire village of people who were turned into apes because they broke the sabbath by fishing was a popular legend in Muhammad's day (Suras 2:65; 7:163-166).

The gushing 12 springs story found in Sura 2:60 comes from pre-Islamic legends.

In what is called the "Rip Van Winkle" story, seven men and their animals slept for 309 years in a cave and then woke up perfectly fine (Sura 18:9-26)!

This legend is found in Greek and Christian fables as well as Arabian lore.

The fable of the pieces of four dead, cut-up birds getting up and flying was well known in Muhammad's time (Sura 2:260).

It is also clear that Muhammad used such pre-Islamic literature as the Saba Moallaqat of Imra'ul Cays in his composition of Suras 21:96; 29:31,46; 37:59; 54:1, and 93:1.

Jewish Sources

Many of the stories in the Quran come from the Jewish Talmud, the Midrash, and many apocryphal works.

This was pointed out by Abraham Geiger in 1833, and further documented by another Jewish scholar, Dr. Abraham Katsh, of New York University, in 1954 (The Concise Dictionary of Islam, p. 229; Jomier, The Bible and the Quran -- Henry Regency Co., Chicago, 1959, 59ff; Sell, Studies, pp. 163ff.; Guillaume, Islam, p. 13).

1. The source of Sura 3:35-37 is the fanciful book called The Protevangelion's James the Lesser.

2. The source of Sura 87:19 is the Testament of Abraham.

3. The source of Sura 27:17-44 is the Second Targum of Esther.

4. The fantastic tale that God made a man "die for a hundred years" with no ill effects on his food, drink, or donkey was a Jewish fable (Sura 2:259ff.).

5. The idea that Moses was resurrected and other material came from the Jewish Talmud (Sura 2:55, 56, 67).

6. The story in Sura 5:30,31 can also be found in pre-Islamic works from Pirke Rabbi Eleazer, the Targum of Jonathan ben Uzziah and the Targum of Jerusalem.

7. The tale of Abraham being delivered from Nimrod's fire came from the Midrash Rabbah (see Suras 21:51-71; 29:16, 17; 37:97,98).

It must be also pointed out that Nimrod and Abraham did not live at the same time. Muhammad was always mixing people together in the Quran who did not live at the same time.

8. The non-biblical details of the visit of the Queen of Sheba (Saba) in Sura 27:20-44 came from the Second Targum of the Book of Esther.

9. The source of Sura 2:102 is no doubt the Midrash Yalkut (chapter 44).

10. The story found in Sura 7:171 of God lifting up Mount Sinai and holding it over the heads of the Jews as a threat to squash them if they rejected the law came from the Jewish book Abodah Sarah.

11. The story of the making of the golden calf in the wilderness, in which the image jumped out of the fire fully formed and actually mooed (Suras 7:148; 20:88), came from Pirke Rabbi Eleazer.

12, The seven heavens and hells described in the Quran came from the Zohar and the Hagigah.

13. Muhammad utilized the Testament of Abraham to teach that a scale or balance will be used on the day of judgment to weigh good and bad deeds in order to determine whether one goes to heaven or hell (Suras 42:17; 101:6-9).

Heretical Christian Sources

One of the most documented and damaging facts about the Quran is that Muhammad used heretical "Christian" Gnostic gospels and their fables for material in the Quran.

Encyclopedia Britannica comments:

"The gospel was known to him chiefly through apocryphal and heretical sources" (15:648).

This has been demonstrated many times by various scholars (Richard Bell, Introduction to the Quran, pp. 163ff. See also: Bell, The Origin of Islam in Its Christian Environment, pp. 110ff, 139ff; Sell, Studies, pp. 216ff. See also Tisdall and Pfander).

For example, in Suras 3:49 and 100:11O, the baby Jesus speaks from the cradle! Later on, the Quran has Jesus making clay birds come alive.

The Bible tells us that the first miracle Jesus did was at the wedding at Cana (John 2:11).

Sabean Sources

Muhammad incorporated parts of the religion of the Sabeans into Islam (Encyclopedia off Islam (ed. Eliade), pp. 303ff.; International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, pp. 1:219ff.).

He adopted such pagan rituals as:

Worshiping at Kabah

Praying five times a day towards Mecca (Muhammad chose five of the same times the Sabeans prayed).

Fasting for part of a day for an entire month.

Eastern Religious Sources

Muhammad derived some of his ideas from Eastern religions such as Zoroastrianism and Hinduism. All of these things were in existence long before Muhammad was born.

The Quran records the following things which are ascribed to Muhammad but in reality were previously known stories now attributed to him for the first time (Sell, Studies, pp. 219ff.).

The story of a flying trip through seven heavens.

The Houries of paradise.

Azazil and other spirits coming up from Hades.

The "light" of Muhammad.

The bridge of Sirat.

Paradise with its wine, women, and song (from the Persians).

The king of death.

The peacock story.

Arab Racism

According to the literal Arabic translation of Sura 3:106, 107, on Judgment Day, only people with white faces will be saved. People with black faces will be damned.

Before Muhammad the Arabs had 365 gods - one for each day of the year. Muhammad picked Allah (the Arab moon god).

I went to the Vatican. It was quite interesting as t hey retold the fabrication of their fokelore and explained the idolic bellief that some God ordained all of the scenes depicted in the paintings. The art is beautiful, like the pictures in my fairytale books when I was a child. You could even get a piece of bone from Sainte Peter. He mustbe regenerating bone matter as he ages lol. Forgive my spelling. My head is still recording Italian. I'm in the process of catching up. The information is great.

GOOD I SEE EVERYBODY IS STUDYING !

Thought by now I'd find a Muslim challenge to my posts. Guess I wasn't controversial and 'explosive' enough. You see the way it works is, there are those who are following this dialogue to see where it goes, to see what's being said.....to see what I know. They are not foolish...what they are is cautious....not to be baited, yet looking for bait, supplying bait but only to ....bring the fish out into the open. Only one problem....I'm not a fish. I'm a different creature of a completely different nature. I didn't come to swallow just the bait...I came to eat everybody in the f*cking boat. On this very page for all to see and bare witness to....I have destroyed the 'Christian illusion' and I have equally destroyed the 'C thru Hebrew' illusion. My soon to be disillusioned Islamic family members have remained quietly on the sidelines sharpening outdated swords. Dull blades son't deter me....so let's get it poppin. I'd like to welcome you all to THE DESTRUCTION OF ISLAM. Though my command of the historical record as regards Islam is not as potent as it is with regards to 'Christianity', I am still more competent than the most learned 'Muslim' of any background, Wesley Muhammad included; why? They all suffer the same achilles heel as does the rest of the people psycho-Spiritually incarcerated by and in, the Abrahmic faiths.
In truth Islam is really not even worth debating as it is a hand me down, bastard religion readily obliterated by the obliteration of the lying religion that preceeds it and the lying religion that comes after it...ie. Christianity and Judaism respectively. Once those two doctrines are proven to be the fallacy they have already been so proven to be, then by proxy and osmosis Islam is summarily ....dismissed. But if someone wishes to debate the historical record with me...then let's dance (smile).

Let's start with this....I'll throw the first volley...see who's got the b*lls to respond. Number one...David you're wrong; Muhammad did not pick Allah (the moon god) from amongst 365 different dieties, regardless of what you've read. Why? Because MUHAMMAD NEVER EXISTED!!! End of discussion, now who wants to kick up dust? Make sure you contact all of the 'true believers' (and some Imam's too) for help, cause youre gonna need it. And if I didn't take any prisoners with Christianity or Judaism then please don't think for one solitary single moment that I'm going to give 'Islam' a 'get out of jail free' pass. If Christianity is a lie, AND IT IS; and Islam is nothing more than Reformed Christianity coming out of Syria...then it too, by the very nature of the beast that it is, must also be A LIE AS WELL. I didn't studder. Next?


PS. Sorry guys ...I'm in the mood for a fight. Happens once every month (smile).

David...open the flood gates...let them in. Let them test their 'scholarship' against someone like myself. I'm sure they'll be contacting those of their 'faith' who they believe can debate competently....thats the one I want (smile).

David I'm quite positive there are some Muslim folks on here who have been wanting to challenge me for a while. Please...go get them.

I'll wait patiently...

I'll take thebate. Who invented muhammad and how did ehe or they explain his late arrival. What did people do before him (according to Him).

Interesting.... and what about all of these stories I've heard about the prophet... having children with this young female? And I read something horrific about him keeping his dead mother/aunt and sleeping with the corps (I only read this sometime back) and is it true that he was said to have some neurological problems and when he would have fits from siezures, his claim was that he was be instructed by Allah? I don't wanna get to much into the he say.. but truth is he was a man...
just like Noah (who love the spirits and would drank until drunkness) King Solomon (who loved the ladies and had many ... many... wives...

I was just wondering if there was actual historical proof on the existence of Muhammad?

Was he real or was he like Jesus where the only proof of their existence is in spiritual writings?

christine you are going to wake up a lot of people on this one im sure a lot of people are wondering how are you going to pull this off im looking for info on the matter and its out there !
this is going to be real good !

How the picture changes. It is amazing that all of the men and most of the women in Michaelangelo's works look alike. Just like Ptolomy and Alexander. Even though I knew that the characters were made up, I never noticed that they were clones. All of the apostles resembled each other except Judus and the women looked alike too, even Mary of Maggdela.

MS JOHNSON that is some good info make me want to see why is that ? hum im going in ! be back with some answers !

We will teach with questions now....


Who was the historical figure that actually lived in the 12th and 13th century upon who's actual life the mythical figure of Muhammed was based. Good Luck. I'll give you a hint:

He was born in the Spanish township of Murcia.

Upon the death of the Prophet, Abu Bakr, the friend of the Prophet and the first adult male to embrace Islam, became caliph. Abu Bakr ruled for two years to be succeeded by 'Umar who was caliph for a decade and during whose rule Islam spread extensively east and west conquering the Persian empire, Syria and Egypt. It was 'Umar who marched on foot at the end of the Muslim army into Jerusalem and ordered the protection of Christian sites. 'Umar also established the first public treasury and a sophisticated financial administration. He established many of the basic practices of Islamic government.

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'Umar was succeeded by 'Uthman who ruled for some twelve years during which time the Islamic expansion continued. He is also known as the caliph who had the definitive text of the Noble Quran copied and sent to the four corners of the Islamic world. He was in turn succeeded by 'Ali who is known to this day for his eloquent sermons and letters, and also for his bravery. With his death the rule of the "rightly guided" caliphs, who hold a special place of respect in the hearts of Muslims, came to an end.

Muslims become angry when they are confronted with this fact. But history is not on their side. Pre-Islamic literature has proved this." (Who Is This Allah?, G. J. O. Moshay, 1994, p 138)

"But history establishes beyond the shadow of doubt that even the pagan Arabs, before Muhammad’s time, knew their chief god by the name of Allah and even, in a sense, proclaimed his unity...Among the pagan Arabs this term denoted the chief god of their pantheon, the Kaaba, with its three hundred and sixty idols." (The Moslem Doctrine of God, Samuel M. Zwemer 1905, p 24-25)

In fact, he did not at first intend to establish a new religion, but rather to reform the belief in Allah which already existed, and to show what this belief truly signified and rightfully demanded. (Mohammed: The man and his faith, Tor Andrae, 1936, Translated by Theophil Menzel, 1960, p13-30)

@ Princess: ((Islam is the religion which has developed from the preaching and life of Muhammad, a citizen of the city of Mecca in Arabia, who early in the seventh century of the Christian Era appeared as a preacher of monotheism to his own people and founded a religious movement which today counts perhaps as many as 300,000,000 followers))
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Qasim ibn Muhammad ibn Abu Bakr as-Siddiq was one of the seven most famous jurists in Madinah, and wa considered as the most knowledgeable among them.

He was a pious imam and was very knowledgeable in the narration of the Traditions. Abu Zannad said, “I never saw anyone better than him in following the Sunnah of the Prophet (s). In our time no one is considered perfect until he is perfect in following the Sunnah of the Prophet and Qasim is one of the perfected men.”

He learned hadith and fiqh from his aunt and from Ibn Abbas. He was a transmitter of hadith and criticised the use of a hadith if its text was put before the Quran and established Sunnah.[2]

He was among "the seven fuqaha' of Medina" [2] who were largely responsible for the transmission of knowledge from Medina and were the source of much of the information of Islam and the Sunnah available today. His grandson was Imam Jafar as-Sadiq.

in his last days He left and went to al-Qudayd, a place between Makkah and Madinah on the 9th of Muharram, where he passed on to the next life. The year was 108 (or 109) AH/726 CE, and he was seventy years old.

Abdu r-Rahman ibn Abi Zannad said that his father said, “I did not see anyone who knew the Sunnah better than al-Qasim.”

Abu Nuaym said of him in his book Hilyat al-Awliya: “He was able to extract the deepest juristic rulings and he was supreme in manners and ethics.”

Imam Malik narrated that Umar ibn Abd al-Aziz , considered the fifth rightly-guided caliph, said, “If it were in my hands, I would have made al-Qasim the caliph in my time.”

Sufyan said, “Some people came to al-Qasim with charity which he distributed. After he distributed it, he went to pray. While he was praying, the people began to speak negatively about him. His son said to them, ‘You are speaking behind the back of a man who distributed your charity and did not take one dirham from it for himself.’ Quickly his father scolded him saying, ‘Do not speak, but keep quiet.’” He wanted to teach his son not to defend him, as his only desire was to please God. He had no concern for the opinion of people.

Yahya ibn Sayyid said, “We never found, in our time in Madinah, anyone better than al-Qasim.” Ayyub as-Saqityani said, “I have not seen anyone better than Imam Qasim. He left 100,000 dinars behind for the poor when he passed away, and it was all from his lawful earnings.”

Qasim

- Eternal life was only granted to those who had a proper tomb and funeral, thus rich men had greater chance of achieving eternity - this idea of justice by modern standards seems unjust by itself!!
- The dead were provided with food and drink, weapons, and toiletry articles.
- Tombs were often visited by the family, who brought new offerings. The practice of feeding the dead continues in Egypt even in our own day!!
- Proper precautions and care for the dead were mandatory to insure immortality. - The first Christians likely followed the national customs of the people among whom they lived,
- Funerals provide hope and support for the family and friends, but has no lasting effect in determining the fate and future afterlife of the deceased