robert powell and david johnson debate ABOUT ISLAM ! people who were turned into apes,, WTH

after you read from the book then tell me what this is all about if you have no link to your words then your not part of the answer its your opinion !
look at the facts !

again, why would an intelligent person--

want your unScholastic opinion of something that is Historical Scholarship, studied in the Original Language, Unchanged for 2000 years?

where is a comment from your amenSiebra girl?

this is what you stand on robert you believe this madness ,,your favorite words is ape boy ape girl you believe this madness you are a blind brainwash fool ,,how dere you try to depute the knowledge you are not scholarship you havent been schooled ! but if you want to be set free then i will school you for free ,,,i love to wake up the dead !

look at what real scholarship is can you read robert Abraham Geiger in 1833, and further documented by another Jewish scholar, Dr. Abraham Katsh, of New York University, in 1954 (The Concise Dictionary of Islam, p. 229; Jomier, The Bible and the Quran -- Henry Regency Co., Chicago, 1959, 59ff; Sell, Studies, pp. 163ff.; Guillaume, Islam, p. 13).

1. The source of Sura 3:35-37 is the fanciful book called The Protevangelion's James the Lesser.
2. The source of Sura 87:19 is the Testament of Abraham.
3. The source of Sura 27:17-44 is the Second Targum of Esther.
4. The fantastic tale that God made a man "die for a hundred years" with no ill effects on his food, drink, or donkey was a Jewish fable (Sura 2:259ff.).
5. The idea that Moses was resurrected and other material came from the Jewish Talmud (Sura 2:55, 56, 67).

look it up for yourself robert notice Many elements of pagan worship that Muhammad grafted directly into Islam virtually unchanged.
Arab Pagan worship 500-610 AD

robt ert tell me why is it the Ka'ba is mentioned only ONCE in the Quran-

5: 95 O ye who believe! kill not game while in the Sacred Precincts or in pilgrim garb. If any of you doth so intentionally the compensation is an offering brought to the Ka'ba of a domestic animal equivalent to the one he killed as adjudged by two just men among you; or by way of atonement the feeding of the indigent; or its equivalent in fasts: that he may taste of the penalty of his deed. Allah forgives what is past: for repetition Allah will exact from him the penalty: for Allah is Exalted and Lord of Retribution.

This myth was well known and predated Muhammad:

* And well ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath: We said to them: "Be ye apes, despised and rejected." (Koran 2:65)
* Ask them concerning the town standing close by the sea. Behold! they transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath. For on the day of their Sabbath their fish did come to them, openly holding up their heads, but on the day they had no Sabbath, they came not: thus did We make a trial of them, for they were given to transgression. When some of them said: "Why do ye preach to a people whom God will destroy or visit with a terrible punishment?"- said the preachers:" To discharge our duty to your Lord, and perchance they may fear Him." When they disregarded the warnings that had been given them, We rescued those who forbade Evil; but We visited the wrong-doers with a grievous punishment because they were given to transgression. When in their insolence they transgressed (all) prohibitions, We said to them: "Be ye apes, despised and rejected." (Koran 7:163-166)

yea robert i hope yu got your book out because your lil brain cant keep up with my scholarship os i wlii slow down and let you try to ,,i did say try ,depute the truth you old fool !

Of course you cannot read, only paste.

I have given you translations of many Ayah --- but at least you now seem to paste that Monotheistic Thought is ONE CREATOR of Adaam and Evolution of Thought and acceptance of all Scripture and ProphetHood of all from Allaah---in the Original Language---without paganChristian definitions of 'black/white'--

Sûrat Âl-‘Imrân
(The Family of Imran) III

19. Truly, the religion with Allâah is AlIslâam. Those who were given Scripture (Jews and Christians) did not differ except, out of mutual jealousy, after knowledge had come to them. And whoever disbelieves in the Ayât (proofs, evidence, verses, signs, revelations) of Allâah, then surely, Allâah is Swift in calling to account.

and i have given you truth and scholarship but you have a issue with Islam and alislam is based on monotheistic thought,, where is your debate it seems to have scattered long ago when i presented you with truth and your come back to me with feeble words what a joke to the god of Ramakrishna !

you havent debated anything ive stated ! nothing !!

robert powell understand this ISLAM: A Religion of Terrorism not Truth – Of Jihad, not Justice
Moral Cowardice in Relation to Truth regarding Authenticity
of Muslims Teachings concerning Faith

lets take a better scholarship approach to this as apposed to a crazed lunatic point of view the truth will set you free robert Islam is little more than Mohammed's pagan self-serving power play organized to unify pagan worshippers while having them focus upon a central place marked by an identifying stone (perhaps a meteorite).

The antiChrist, Mohammed, a conniving illiterate, perversely removed what he saw as difficulties found in Christianity with its defining characteristics and personal freedoms. He objected to the Christian ethic of monogamy. Mohammed preferred polygamy and what today would be called pedophilia.

robert Mohammad was a thug ! ,,,a child molester and a copy cat

Crescent moon symbol ALL PAGAN SINCE ROBERT CANT KEEP UP I WILL GO ON AND JUST KICK HIS ASS IN THE KNOWLEDGE WHILE HE S STUCK IN ON STUPID !

1. The crescent moon symbol was used since 2100 BC in paganism. Polytheism has extensively used the symbol of the crescent moon as far back as Abraham as hundreds of archeological examples verify.
2. All the Arabs at the Kaba in Mecca worshipped the moon god Hubal.
3. Crescent moon is the official symbol of Islam on top of every Mosque in the world and beside the Kaba on top of the Maqam Ibrahim! It is the last remaining polytheistic remnant of ancient moon worship under a new sanitized monotheistic veil.

Fatwa: - (pl. Fataawa) legal ruling based upon the Qur.aan and the Sunnah,
passed by a Scholar in response to a question.

IX The Spread of Islam ( WAR - CONQUEST )
The establishment of Islam was not by peaceful means.
Since its inception Islam has been perceived by Muslims to be a universal code. During Muhammad's lifetime, two attempts were made to expand northward into the Byzantine domain and its capital in Constantinople, and within ten years after Muhammad’s death, Muslims had defeated the Sassanids of Persia and the Byzantines, and had conquered most of Persia, Iraq, Syria, and Egypt. The conquests continued, and the Sassanian Empire was soon after destroyed and the influence of Byzantium was largely diminished (see Byzantine Empire). For the next several centuries intellectuals and cultural figures flourished in the vast, multinational Islamic world, and Islam became the most influential civilization in the world.

SORRY ROBERT BUT YOU HAVE BEN BUSTED !
The Quran repeats fanciful Arabian fables as if they were true.

"Arabic legends about the fabulous jinns fill its pages" (G.G. Pfander, Balance of Truth, pp. 283).

"The story of the she-camel who leapt out of a rock and became a prophet was known long before Muhammad" (Suras 7:73-77,85; 91:14; 54:29).

The story of an entire village of people who were turned into apes because they broke the sabbath by fishing was a popular legend in Muhammad's day (Suras 2:65; 7:163-166).

The gushing 12 springs story found in Sura 2:60 comes from pre-Islamic legends.

In what is called the "Rip Van Winkle" story, seven men and their animals slept for 309 years in a cave and then woke up perfectly fine (Sura 18:9-26)!

This legend is found in Greek and Christian fables as well as Arabian lore.

The fable of the pieces of four dead, cut-up birds getting up and flying was well known in Muhammad's time (Sura 2:260).

It is also clear that Muhammad used such pre-Islamic literature as the Saba Moallaqat of Imra'ul Cays in his composition of Suras 21:96; 29:31,46; 37:59; 54:1, and 93:1.

Jewish Sources

Many of the stories in the Quran come from the Jewish Talmud, the Midrash, and many apocryphal works.

This was pointed out by Abraham Geiger in 1833, and further documented by another Jewish scholar, Dr. Abraham Katsh, of New York University, in 1954 (The Concise Dictionary of Islam, p. 229; Jomier, The Bible and the Quran -- Henry Regency Co., Chicago, 1959, 59ff; Sell, Studies, pp. 163ff.; Guillaume, Islam, p. 13).

1. The source of Sura 3:35-37 is the fanciful book called The Protevangelion's James the Lesser.

2. The source of Sura 87:19 is the Testament of Abraham.

3. The source of Sura 27:17-44 is the Second Targum of Esther.

4. The fantastic tale that God made a man "die for a hundred years" with no ill effects on his food, drink, or donkey was a Jewish fable (Sura 2:259ff.).

5. The idea that Moses was resurrected and other material came from the Jewish Talmud (Sura 2:55, 56, 67).

6. The story in Sura 5:30,31 can also be found in pre-Islamic works from Pirke Rabbi Eleazer, the Targum of Jonathan ben Uzziah and the Targum of Jerusalem.

7. The tale of Abraham being delivered from Nimrod's fire came from the Midrash Rabbah (see Suras 21:51-71; 29:16, 17; 37:97,98).

It must be also pointed out that Nimrod and Abraham did not live at the same time. Muhammad was always mixing people together in the Quran who did not live at the same time.

8. The non-biblical details of the visit of the Queen of Sheba (Saba) in Sura 27:20-44 came from the Second Targum of the Book of Esther.

9. The source of Sura 2:102 is no doubt the Midrash Yalkut (chapter 44).

10. The story found in Sura 7:171 of God lifting up Mount Sinai and holding it over the heads of the Jews as a threat to squash them if they rejected the law came from the Jewish book Abodah Sarah.

11. The story of the making of the golden calf in the wilderness, in which the image jumped out of the fire fully formed and actually mooed (Suras 7:148; 20:88), came from Pirke Rabbi Eleazer.

12, The seven heavens and hells described in the Quran came from the Zohar and the Hagigah.

13. Muhammad utilized the Testament of Abraham to teach that a scale or balance will be used on the day of judgment to weigh good and bad deeds in order to determine whether one goes to heaven or hell (Suras 42:17; 101:6-9).

Heretical Christian Sources

One of the most documented and damaging facts about the Quran is that Muhammad used heretical "Christian" Gnostic gospels and their fables for material in the Quran.

Encyclopedia Britannica comments:

"The gospel was known to him chiefly through apocryphal and heretical sources" (15:648).

This has been demonstrated many times by various scholars (Richard Bell, Introduction to the Quran, pp. 163ff. See also: Bell, The Origin of Islam in Its Christian Environment, pp. 110ff, 139ff; Sell, Studies, pp. 216ff. See also Tisdall and Pfander).

For example, in Suras 3:49 and 100:11O, the baby Jesus speaks from the cradle! Later on, the Quran has Jesus making clay birds come alive.

The Bible tells us that the first miracle Jesus did was at the wedding at Cana (John 2:11).

Sabean Sources

Muhammad incorporated parts of the religion of the Sabeans into Islam (Encyclopedia off Islam (ed. Eliade), pp. 303ff.; International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, pp. 1:219ff.).

He adopted such pagan rituals as:

Worshiping at Kabah

Praying five times a day towards Mecca (Muhammad chose five of the same times the Sabeans prayed).

Fasting for part of a day for an entire month.

Eastern Religious Sources

Muhammad derived some of his ideas from Eastern religions such as Zoroastrianism and Hinduism. All of these things were in existence long before Muhammad was born.

The Quran records the following things which are ascribed to Muhammad but in reality were previously known stories now attributed to him for the first time (Sell, Studies, pp. 219ff.).

The story of a flying trip through seven heavens.

The Houries of paradise.

Azazil and other spirits coming up from Hades.

The "light" of Muhammad.

The bridge of Sirat.

Paradise with its wine, women, and song (from the Persians).

The king of death.

The peacock story.

Arab Racism

According to the literal Arabic translation of Sura 3:106, 107, on Judgment Day, only people with white faces will be saved. People with black faces will be damned.

Robert...Enlighten me.... tell me of Prophet Muhammad... I have read some distiurbing stories about this "flesh of a man"... I have been accused a liar.... Please show me the lighht! Thank you....

corry
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Corey.... Its not all that it seems....

Before Muhammad the Arabs had 365 gods - one for each day of the year. Muhammad picked Allah (the Arab moon god).