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It Appears That Arizona Shooter’s Odd Behavior Caused Growing Alarm Prior To Massacre

Jen Fad · Monday, January 10th 2011 at 6:41PM · 324 views
TUCSON — In a community college classroom here last June, on the first day of the term, the instructor in Jared L. Loughner’s basic algebra class, Ben McGahee, posed what he thought was a simple arithmetic question to his students. He was not prepared for the explosive response. “How can you deny math instead of accepting it?” Mr. Loughner asked, after blurting out a random number, according to Mr. McGahee.

Mr. McGahee, for one, was disturbed enough by the experience to complain to school authorities, who as early as last June were apparently concerned enough themselves to have a campus officer visit the classroom. And what Mr. McGahee described as a pattern of behavior by Mr. Loughner, marked by hysterical laughter, bizarre non sequiturs and aggressive outbursts, only continued. ...

“I was getting concerned about the safety of the students and the school,” said Mr. McGahee, who took to glancing out of the corner of his eye when he was writing on the board for fear that Mr. Loughner might do something. “I was afraid he was going to pull out a weapon.”

A student in the class, Lynda Sorenson, 52, wrote an e-mail to a friend expressing her concerns.

“We do have one student in the class who was disruptive today, I’m not certain yet if he was on drugs (as one person surmised) or disturbed. He scares me a bit,” Ms. Sorenson wrote in an e-mail in June that was forwarded Sunday to The New York Times. “The teacher tried to throw him out and he refused to go, so I talked to the teacher afterward. Hopefully he will be out of class very soon, and not come back with an automatic weapon.”

Mr. Loughner’s behavior grew so troubling that he was told he could no longer attend the school, and he appeared, given his various Internet postings, to find a sense of community in some of the more paranoid corners of the Internet. ...



http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/10/us/10sho...

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Richard Kigel Monday, January 10th 2011 at 7:12PM

My question is: why was this nutcase allowed to legally purchase a semi-automatic pistol?

Jen Fad Monday, January 10th 2011 at 8:12PM

@ Brother Rich,
[My question is: why was this nutcase allowed to legally purchase a semi-automatic pistol?]

Yep that is my question... a "nutcase" what kind of insane human being would sell bullets to a nut case and not notify the authorities/

@ Saint,
I wonder what is going to happen now in Arizona--- Technically his attorneys could argue that he was mentally ill or something like that.

In a way, its really not right for a mentally ill person to be tried when they are not in the right frame of mind. I fought the system and American citizens who allowed this nut to run free without doing something. I know there will be someone to argue with me re: who should be blamed, but the handwriting had long been on the wall. Even with Rep Gifford's office being vandalized. Something more should have bee done.

Jen Fad Monday, January 10th 2011 at 8:15PM

@ Brother Mozell,
...Now he'll claim insanity as a defence...

Can the insanity plea be used if it appears he premeditated this shooting spree?

Jen Fad Monday, January 10th 2011 at 8:50PM

There is no question in my mind after seeing the picture of the guy at the link I posted that he has a few screws loose. If anything, he needs a psychiatric evaluation to see if he can stand trial or his lawyers will get him off later on a legality / technicality later on for him to live to kill another day.

Jen Fad Tuesday, January 11th 2011 at 10:34AM

@ Sister Irma,
You have made great points and surely the shooter has been seeing the best mind doctors, but according to the reports he has invoked his 5th ammendment rights. I don't know at this point, but as my grandmother always says, "It will all come out in the wash."

Did you hear how devastated Loughner's parents were when they were giving the news of what their son had done"?

Loughner's parents 'devastated,' 'hurting'
Mother 'almost passed out right there' while father sat in the road and cried, neighbor who broke the news says >>>>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41014125/ns/us...

Jen Fad Tuesday, January 11th 2011 at 11:29AM

@ Brother Mozell,
There isn't a thing in the world wrong with being "human" because so many today aren't especially since they have been desensitized by all the destrutive shows on television. Honestly, Loughner is really "not all there" but just how much is the big question. I think people need to be held accountable for their actions so don't get me wrong; however, the Parents of Loughner/ Limbaughs/Palins/Hannitys/State of Arizona for making it too, easy for people to own guns as well as people who sold the "ammo" knowing what their "guts" were telling them need to check themselves.

Come on now people be for real if the college professor/teacher tried to kick him out of class and the school asked him not to come back--- surely the parents knew and the people who sold him the gun knew. We All Know People With A Few Screws Loose When We See Them, because we try our best to get the heck out of their way on the sidewalk!!!

Jen Fad Tuesday, January 11th 2011 at 11:32AM

Would any of you sell someone like Loughner a gun or let alone ammunition?! I wouldn't not for any amount of money in the WORLD!!

Cynthia Merrill Artis Tuesday, January 11th 2011 at 11:40AM

what alarms me the most.... ((was the eyewitness)) accounts of his eratic behavior long before this happened!!! *@!$%!!! duh!

Jen Fad Tuesday, January 11th 2011 at 11:44AM

@ Sister Cynthia,
[what alarms me the most.... ((was the eyewitness)) accounts of his eratic behavior long before this happened!!!]

That's precisely my point!!! Not meaning to bring in Race, but had this been a Mexican--- what would you have thought those Arizonians would have done? Called Sherrif Arpaio, right--Ha!!

Jen Fad Tuesday, January 11th 2011 at 11:54AM

Red Flags at a College, but Tied Hands
By BENEDICT CAREY
Even in the wake of the Virginia Tech murders, experts say institutions and employers are seldom set up to handle such potential threats. ... “It wasn’t a case of ‘Gee, no one saw this coming,’ ” Dr. Borum said. “People saw it. But the question then was what do you do about it? Who do you call? The whole thing speaks to the need for some coordinated way to detect such threats.”

Even after the 2007 massacre by a student at Virginia Tech, institutions and employers are seldom set up to handle such potential threats, experts say — even when the warning signs are blatant and numerous.

These institutions typically have no single person or center that tracks the sorts of complaints that teachers and fellow students were making about Mr. Loughner. Nor do they have the legal authority to force people into treatment against their will. ...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/11/us/11men...

DAVID JOHNSON Tuesday, January 11th 2011 at 12:51PM

ONLY IN AMERICA !

Siebra Muhammad Tuesday, January 11th 2011 at 12:52PM

ONLY IN AMERICA...

Siebra Muhammad Tuesday, January 11th 2011 at 1:09PM

LOL!

ROBINSON IRMA Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM

@Jen, for every reason you can come up with to show that the Black community has no idea how to enforce laws on teh books, I can show you 10 how they have never stopped fighting for EQUAL JUSTICE IN AMERICA.

A PSYCHRIST CAN TELL MORE OF YOUR TRUE SELF JUST BY WATCHING YOUR NATURAL BEHAVIORS...OR IN OTHER WORDS WATCHING YOUR BODY MOVEMENT...YOUR PAST BEHAVIOR...OR IN OTHER WORDS JUST BY WATCHING A PERSON'S PAST AND PRESENT BEHAVIORS, YOU CAN ACTUALLY READ THEIR MINDS...(SMILE)

taking the fifth has no relevance in this CIVIL RIGHTS CASE THAT THIS SHOOTING ARREST HAS MADE POSSIABLE JUST LIKE THE ARREST OF ROSA PARKS...

ONE MUST BREAK A LAW TO FORCE IT TO BE WORTH THE PAPER IT IS WRITTEN ON...

THE 1ST AND 2ND AMENDMENTS IN THE CASE OF J.L. "BEEN THERE DONE THAT"...

AND DISPITE SOME BELIEVEING TAHT IT IS FALSE ABOUT WE MUST LOOK AT THE PAST TO KNOWTHE PRESENT SO THAT WE CAN BE ABLE TO PLAN A BETTER FUTURE...HISTORY HAS PROVEN THIS TO BE TRUE OR JUST PLAIN OLD "BEEN THERE DONE THAT" . "YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" (SMILE)

ROBINSON IRMA Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM

@Jen subjective conclusions is why things can change from moment to moment and things can be distorted. example,this person had two parents, the father don't work but ths mother does...the neighbors talinkg about how VIOLENT THE FATHER IS OVER EVEN TRIVLE MATTERS...

NOW IN AMERICA DON'T WE SAY TO NOT CLASSIFY AS A VIOLENT MALE HEADED FOR DRUGS AND PRISON AND CROME IS TO HAVE TEH FATHER BEING RESPONISABLE AS TEH BREAD WINNER ,ETC.???????????????????????(NUP)

AND EVEN IF THIS PERSON HAS MENTAL PROBLEMS IT MAKES IT FAR WORST FOR THE LAWS IN THE STATE AS FAR AS VIOLATIONS OF CIVIL AND LEGAL RIGHTS...JEN TIS IS WHAT CIVIL RIGHTS ATTORNEY LOOK FOR...

NOW REMEMBER MY SAYING LAWS THAT ARE NOT WORTH THE PAPER THEY ARE WRITTEN ON NEED THIS TOMAKE IT BETTER FOR THOSE SEEKING EQUALITY IN AMERICA?????(SMILE)

I NEVER SAID CHANGING THE EMOTIONS OR PERSONAL CONCLUSIONS OF ANY ONE NOR SKIN COLOR...I SAID CIVIL AND LEGAL RIGHTS. (SMILE)

ROBINSON IRMA Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM

...I will leave you all with this to think over...have anyone ever heard anyone killing abortiondoctors 'mentally ill"? anyone heard of a Mulsim not doing any harm at all to anyone called a terrorist?

...now even better has anyone heard of Addrai Yates the white motehr whokilled her children to save them being called mental? this woman killed her own children not other mother's children...

...if this man is mental then this woman has been discriminated against and discrimination is illegal i all states...so let this owman and countless other Black males in your prisons go free!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(smile)

ROBINSON IRMA Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM

@Mosell, a great start in trying to prevent things like this could be as simple as stop teaching our children of all skin color, race, gender and creeds that only Blacks are violent. (nup+ smile)

ROBINSON IRMA Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM

@Clark, because this is America can we say that drug use can affect our minds and it does not as we are now trying to do withthis person. lol (smile)

So maybe this is why the media is not telling the public taht they should even bring into account drug addiction/ USE...or maybe it has a lot to do with not wanting to talk about how we in this country are teh causes of the drug war on our borders with Mexico...in fact I will say it is great to have these border states not talking about the violence and law breaking caused in their state O-N-L-Y BY MEXICANS for a change. lol (smile)

ROBINSON IRMA Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM

@Clark it is beginning to get a little LIKE the same exact things thAt happened in Clinton's administration is repeating it self...can we beat that??...the almost same things from the radical right , even deaths. That 9 year old child I believe has not died in vain. This is a feeling I can not get rid of about this child still has work to do in helping heal this country.

I have started a scrap book for her. she is going to do great things with is using her to accomplish good things.We are going to become a country we use to be, I can feel it, can't all of you? (smile)

AMERICA IS NOW IN RECOVERY ON THE WAY BACK TO BEING A MORAL COUNTRY AGAIN. (SMILE)

ROBINSON IRMA Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM

..."I" WILL SAY THIS AND LET IT GO...ALL WE EVER NEED TO GO AFTER MORE EQUALITY FOR US IS A MAJOR CASE...EXAMPLE THE JENA, lA. WAS PERFECT AND NATIONAL NAACP WAS THER GETTING THEIR DUCKS IN A ROW...AND, WITH US DOING ANYTHING WE WOULD HAVE DONE TOO MUCH HARM OT OUR PRESIDENT SO IT WAS LET GO...HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT OUR PEOPLE HAVE NOT HAD ONE RIOT SINCE MR. OBAMA...OR HAVE YOU ENENNOTICED THEY YOU JUST WAIT FOR THE MEDIA TO TELL YOU WHAT IS GOIN GON IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS...I KNOW THIS IS WHY WHAT I HAVE BEEN TYINF TO GET YOU ALL TO JUST LOOK AT MY POSTINGS AND IF YOUHAD YOU WOULD HAVE BEN ABLE TO SEE WHAT IS GOING ON BEFORE YOU GOT NEWS COVERAGE...AND HTOSE WHO DID NOTICE SAYS IT IS RUMORS...

BUT THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF OUR BLACK LEADERS IS NO ONE KNOW THEYCAN PLAN IN LONG TERMS...AND THIS IS GREAT...SO AS I HAVE BEEN REPORTING ALL ALONG IT IS SORT OF BAD FOR US THAT WE HAVE NO INTEREST IN OUR BLACK LEADERS OR WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR THE MEDIA TO APPOINT US SOME...I HAVE ALREADY POSTED WHAT THE BLACK LEADERS HAVE BEEN DOING BUT IT IS SEEN AS RUMORS...

AND AS WAS SAID ABOUT THE BIBLE...IT WOULD BE GIVEN IN TH WHITE MANS VERSION AND MAYBE WE WOULD BE INTERESTED INIT...WHAT A SHAME BECAUSE THE MIND IS A TERRIABLE THING TO WASTE IN THIS MANNEER...

SO NOW I LEAVE YOU ALL IN PEACE...(SMILE)

ROBINSON IRMA Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM

...OH TRUST YOUR COMMONSENSE...CIVIL RIGHTS ATTORNEYS DON'T GO TO COURT TO LOOSE A BATTLE...LIKE OUR PRESIDENT THEY ARE EXPERTS IN CONSTITUNAL LAW!!!!!!!!

THIS SHOOTER WILL HAVE THE BEST MIND DOCTORS SEEING HIM FROM TEH MOMENT HE WAS BOOKED IN AND EVERY PERSON PLACE, THING HE HAS COME INOT CONTACT WITH IS BEING LOOKED INTO LIKE YESTERDAY...I REPEAT THESE ATTORNEYS KNOW THEY ARE COMING UP AGAINST THE MOST POWERFUL FORCE IN AMERICA...

THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTION SO PLEASE USE AS MANY RESOURCES AS POSSIABLE BECAUSE THIS IS THE BIGGEST CASE IN aMERICA SINCE bVBOE. (SMILE)

ROBINSON IRMA Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM

Please, try to get beyond subjective out comes because emotiions is not allowed in courts, but these are...

Medical insanity
Legal insanity

There is not one court in America that can try any person if a PSYCHRIST TELLS THE JUDGE, THIS PERSON DOES NOT KNOW RIGHT FROM...OR UNDER ANY KINDS OF MIND ALTERING MEDICATIONS...LEGAL OR ILLEGAL....PLEAS TRY TO GET OVER TIS IDEA OF INSANE OR NOT INSANE BECAUSE THEY SON'T EVEN COME INTO THIS CASE...END OF STORY...UNLESS YOU WOULD RATHER STICK WITH THE NEWS THAT GETS TEH HIGHEST RATINGS...LOL (SMILE)

aS LONG AS THAT PERSON I COURT DTO DAY COULD SAY, "YES" / "NO" TODAY,,,HE IS LEGALLY SANE, BECAUSE HE KNOWS OR HAS THE POWWERS TO KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG...

A PERSON WHO IS INSANE WOULD NEVER TRY TO GET AWAY FROM EH SCENE OF A 'CROME' BECAUSE THEY CAN NOT TELL RIGHT FROM WRONG WHICH MEANS TEHY CAN NOT BE HELD RESPONSIABLE....

i REALIZE THE SOME ON TIS SITE BELIEVE THAT REPORTS DIRECTLY FROM THE SOURCE CALLS IT "RUMORS"....THEY VERY HARD TO BELIEVE THAT BLACK LEADERS HAVE LAW DEGREES ALSO AND MEDICAL DEGREES BECAUSE ALL ARE NOT ON DRUIGS OR IN PRISON...

THEY ARE JUST LIKE ANYOF YOU...O-N-E INDIVIDUAL THAT YOU WILL NEVER SEE BEFORE A CAMERA...PLUS SOME OF THE JOBS THEY HOLD PERVENTS THEM FROM BEING KNOWN...

BUT, AGAIN THEY ARE ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO ARE UNITED AS ONE IN TIMES LIKE THIS...'EVERYONE IS DUE EQUAL JUSTICE...PERIOD...END OF STORY...

THANKS JEN FOR ALLOWING ME TO SAY ALL OF THAT. (SMILE)

ROBINSON IRMA Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM

@Rich, again here I am glad he did his bullet shopping in war-mart...the same place we can buy deadly toys fo rour children, because our government can not afford inspecter...

THIS IS GOING TO BE OUR LAST CHANCE TO LEARN ABOUT MORALS V THE $$$$$$$$$(SMILE)

ROBINSON IRMA Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM

My problem is with not onw word about his abuse of drugs...not even after the military said this is why he did not quaoify to join...and today our malitrary don't even pay some abuse of marijuana,,,but I gathere he must have one of the rate one not Black taht brains can get fried from drugs...

YOU KNOW THOSE MESSAGES ON TV CALLED PUBLIC NOTICES WOULD SAY THINGS LIKE DRUGS CAN FRY OUR BRAINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (NUP)

NO, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE OR SKINCOLOR, JUST OUR MINDSET!!!!!!! (SMILE)

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