Imam WD Mohammed - Master Hypocrite, Pedophile & Liar!!!

The one who is a hypocrite and a damned liar is none other that yourself and for telling those types of lies and slander against Imam W. Deen Mohammed, a good man who has worked so that hundreds of thousands will have better understanding of Al-Islam, and you deserve Hell in this life and hell in the hereafter in my opinion and I would not care at all if you would get it. You should Be Ashamed of yourself!!!

Hakim.... You must be one of WD's mindless followers. With all that you said you never proved any of what I said was wrong.

#1 - WD went to bed with a little girl 50 years younger!
#2 - WD lost All the community Money!!!
#3 - His young LOVER was kicked out of the house when the dirty old man died!!!!

#1- AsShadullaaIllaaha Illaallahu Wa AsShaduAnna Mohamed RasulAllaah

First, ----- you amm --- Must be SICK, the Man you de*****ate is DEAD..............

so you are like the littleJamal cartoon we had here a while back----such a weak pathetic man to fight with a man in a grave...............

what a coward your writings show.

Second, a Muslim Man, as explained by Allaah in AlQur'aan Kareem can have up to 4 wives

--- that is LAW from Allaah.................

Sûrat An-Nisâ’
(The Women) IV
In the Name of Allâah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful

1. O Mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person -Adaam, and from him He created his wife [Hawwâ (Eve)], and from them both He created many men and women; and fear Allâah through Whom you demand mutual rights, and do not cut the relations of the wombs. Surely, Allâah is Ever an All-Watcher over you.

2. And give unto orphans their property and do not exchange (your) bad things for (their) good ones; and devour not their substance (by adding it) to your substance. Surely, this is a great sin.

3. And if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the then marry other women of your choice, two or three, or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with them, then only one or others that your right hands possess. That is nearer to prevent you from doing injustice.

Third, No family member of Our Father Elijah Muhammad is contradictory of AlQur'aan AlMaleek, --- ARE YOU?

ONLY if you are paganChristian, some other nonBeliever in AlIslaam or a HYPOCRITE would write this ghettoTrash.............

and by the way Our Brother WarithDeen Muhammad was courageous enough to TAKE----from the Criminal Elements of the FOI/FBI, the mantle of developing AlIslaam in North America amoung Americans of African slaveHeritage---so he in his life was pretty courageous, in my opinion.

i never followed his development of AlIslaam in North America amoung Americans of African slaveHeritage----- but what I have known of him ---- he was the Best of Our Father Elijah Muhammad.

your above writings show me that you are similar to the paganChristians, a lying guy

Hello to All,

Let me present to the both of you a bit of divine wisdom, okay.

Prophets are racially different. Prophet Mohammed and the religion Islam has nothing to do or can benefit Black Americans since Black Americans are not Arabian people. Am I making any sense?

In other words, W. D. Muhammad was ignorant. Mr. Elijah Muhammad was ignorant. Mr. Farrakhan is ignorant. Any Black American man a descendent of plantation slaves and is beholding to a religion of another people are ignorant.

Black Americans have a prophet and our own religion named LIFE. Every religion tells the world the struggles of that specific people. In other words, the Quran tells the world the struggle the Arabian people had among themselves concerning establishing the religion of Islam. The battle of Hud and Barr were battles between Arabians and Arabians. Therefore, the Quran tells of the struggles of the Arabian people only and not the struggles of Black Americans.
The time is soon coming back Black Americans in our religious book of our struggles. Black America's struggles are plantation slavery, Dr. King, the KKK, Mr. Elijah Muhammad and many other struggles. Am I making any sense?

I am Black America's first genuine prophet and everything that I say is going to happen in my lifetime.

Black Americans are going to inherit a reasonable and fertile portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders to worship God, pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way.

Mr. Elijah Muhammad was not anointed and you know this because he was championing the religion of the Arabian people Al-Islam while Black America's religion is LIFE.

So in conclusion I see to ignorant Negroes on his blog arguing with each other over what belongs to the Arabian people. The religion of Islam and Prophet Mohammed strictly belongs to the Arabian people and Black Americans are not Arabian people, am I right.
I am the way, and besides me, there is no other way that Black Americans could ever become a real people in this world. Just as it was that Moses was the way and besides Moses there was no other way that the children of Israel could have become a real people and be led out of bondage and slavery in Egypt. Am I making any sense?

I told you or mentioned some of the good works of Imam Mohammed which in effect show your whole premise of him being s dirty old man being no more than vicious, negative lies and you being sick mentally who feels you can gain some sort of notoriety by doing what you're doing. You don't care about the people who you want to read you garbage so their's no other reason for you to do something so stupid.

Where are your good works, would you compare your good works to Imam Mohammed's, who are you to try and criticize and condemn his good works? I heard a wise man say one that any fool can criticize and condemn and that is what they do, but in as much as you have done this unto the least of these, my brother, you have done it unto me.

Why don't you just stop these lies and this foolishness and go and do some good which could be seen as remotely comparable to what Imam W. Deen Mohammed did for the African-American people and the world.

I told you or mentioned some of the good works of Imam Mohammed which in effect show your whole premise of him being s dirty old man being no more than vicious, negative lies and you being sick mentally who feels you can gain some sort of notoriety by doing what you're doing. You don't care about the people who you want to read you garbage so their's no other reason for you to do something so stupid.

Where are your good works, would you compare your good works to Imam Mohammed's, who are you to try and criticize and condemn his good works? I heard a wise man say one that any fool can criticize and condemn and that is what they do, but in as much as you have done this unto the least of these, my brother, you have done it unto me.

Why don't you just stop these lies and this foolishness and go and do some good which could be seen as remotely comparable to what Imam W. Deen Mohammed did for the African-American people and the world.

Mr. Hakim,

Black Americans do not want to religion Al Islam. Black America's religion is LIFE. Al Islam is specifically the religion of the Arabian people introduced to them by their prophet, Prophet Mohammed who was an Arab. Black Americans have no business in between the Arabian people.

Black Americans were born ignorant and out of the ashes of plantation slavery. I said that to say that our ignorance is shortly going to end.

When you cry out to have the religion of the Arabian people rather than to desire your own religion LIFE shows your slave mentality and extreme ignorance as well.
Always you should want to have your own rather than what someone else has. Am I making any sense with you?

Tell me what you think.

Again, Mister, you're a fool!! if you knew anything about what you're saying you would not say it. You would know that most of the Muslims in the world are not Arabs. Also all of the three Abrahamic religions, of which Al-Islam is one of, are one in the same in tandem, they are one being a progression of the other and Al-Islam and Prophet Muhammad being the seal of the Prophets and Al-Islam being the final step in the progression of G'ds message to humanity on how to live life in the way that is most beneficial to humans to understand how to shoulder the responsibility given to him so that he can receive the great blessing The Creator has for him.

So you're a fool because not only have you missed the boat completely, but now you trying to be a devil by working against G'ds plan and prevent others from receiving their birth rights and great blessings they have coming to them for suffering the conditions of slavery and many others. Why don't you apologize and just stop your foolishness before you find yourself in more hell that you could ever get out of in this life or the hereafter.
Go somewhere and sit down and shut your stupid mouth up, ...Quick!!!

amm, do READ AlQur'aan.....one thing we have learned over the years is that YOUR name is a transliteration of Arabic into English, and many jews/christians, fbiOrNot, have their own meanings for these names.

so READ what Allaah Reveals:

Sûrat An-Naba’
(The Great News) LXXVIII
In the Name of Allâah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful


1. What are they asking each another about?

2. About the great news, of Monotheism, AlQur’âan, which Prophet Mohamed brought and the Day of Resurrection

3. About which they are in disagreement.

4. They will come to know!

5. Again, they will come to know!

6. Have We not made the earth as a resting place,

7. And the mountains as pegs?

8. And We have created you in pairs, male and female, tall and short, good and bad.

9. And We have made your sleep as a thing for rest.

10. And We have made the night as a covering through its darkness,

11. And We have made the day for livelihood.

12. And We have built above you seven strong heavens,

13. And We have made a shining sun,

14. And We have sent down from the rainy clouds abundant water.

15. That We may produce there, corn and vegetations,

16. And gardens of thick growth.

17. The Day of Decision is a fixed time,

18. The Day when the Trumpet will be blown, and you come forth in groups after groups,

19. And the heaven shall be opened, and it will become as gates,

20. And the mountains are moved, and they will be as if they were a mirage.

21. Truly, Hell is a place of ambush -

22. A dwelling place for the Tâghûn (those who transgress the boundary limits set by Allâah, polytheists, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâah, hyprocrites, sinners, criminals),

23. They will abide there for ages.

24. Nothing cool shall they taste there, nor any drink.

25. Except boiling water, and dirty wound discharges -

26. An exact recompense, according to their evil crimes.

27. For verily, they had not looked for a reckoning.

28. But they belied Our Ayât (proofs, evidence, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, and that which Our Prophet brought) completely,

29. And all things We have recorded in a Book.

30. So taste the results of your evil actions. No more shall We give you, except in torment.

May Allaah have Mercy on The Family of Adaam(as)

Brother Hakim:

While I don't doubt you are an intelligent person, you make logical fallacy against logical fallacy, and then circulate it on the internet as fact. I am in FULL agreement with Brother Abdul's analysis of Warrith Deen Mohammed.

The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad taught and it is TRUE that nothing, absolutely nothing happens without ALLAH’S permission. Remember the teaching that ALLAH either does it or permits it to be done. So when a person who has claimed to represent ALLAH on behalf of our people strays away, we must ask ourselves why did ALLAH do this or permit this. Let’s examine the facts. After leaving the Nation Of Islam Warith Deen Muhammad had dedicated his life to keeping people away from the Nation Of Islam and the results of his efforts can be seen simply by looking at the number of people who are not in the Nation Of Islam yet who presume to tell others what is happening in the Nation Of Islam.

So let’s think for a moment, if what Warith Deen Muhammad was doing with his life was in harmony with ALLAH’S will then why would he stray away from his father Elijah Muhammad's teachings? The answer is simple, what he was doing is in direct opposition to what is the will of ALLAH and by doing so he forfeited his life. The time that we live in does not permit for anyone to stand up and act like they are helping our people while at the same time they were actually robbing people of their salvation.

Warith Deen was a traitor and was no friend of Black People! One can say a lot of words, but when you look at their actions, you get the truth of themselves. Warith Deen's father The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad shown where his heart was, with Black Man/Blackwoman completely and their rise from the hells of North America!

But Warith Deen and his Boss J. Edgar Hoover of the FBI, the one whom he was working for also have shown what they thought of Black People, J. Edgar Hoover wanted the Black Man and Woman as Slaves and Warith Deen wanted to be the HAIC (Head Asskisser In Charge).

Under Elijah Muhammad one did not see the Black Man and Woman taught to carry gun and knives for each other, one did not see those taught by The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad trying their best to cheat and bull **** Black People. Elijah and his followers did everything they could to help get the Black Man/Blackwoman out of the mud that they were enjoying and were wallowing in like swine.

The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad taught us "How To Eat To Live." Now take a look at Wallace's followers compared to the The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad's followers and Minister Farrakhan's followers. The majority of Wallace's followers are so huge they would make Richard Simmons himself say "DAMN!" upon looking at them. Wallace's follower's are eating all the wrong food and looking like the most filthy ass people on earth, even more than the rotten slavemaster.

Anyone saying anything good about Warith Deen Mohammad shows that they must agree with white folks that we all should be slaves, for Warith was a two for nickel hypocrite if there ever was one!

Warith Deen Muhammad made herself a double hypocrite by trying to keep them away from our divine leader, divine teacher, and divine guide that taught us the truth about who we are and that is the Messenger of Allah, The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad. Remember the messenger’s warning (circulated in Muhammad Speaks newspaper) LEAVE MY TEACHINGS AS IT IS. Warith Deen Muhammad was personally taught by his father who was taught by Fard Muhammad and Warith made attempts to challenge those teachings and that is what caused him to be a DOUBLE HYPOCRITE!

FOOD FOR THOUGHT: If Warrith Deen Mohammed was in accordance with the Messenger's teachings, why would he change the name of the Messenger's school from the Muhammad's University Of Islam to Sis. Clara Muhammad's school? That alone should let you know how much of a DEVIL Warrith Deen Mohammed really was!!!

Hello to All,

Siebra, Elijah and W. D. Muhammad are wrong about everything.

Firstly, Black Americans are not Arabian people and I should not have to climb any hill to prove it because it is obvious. Arabian people and Black Americans are entirely two different races.

Consequentially, you could see how ignorant and spiritually stupid Elijah and W. D. Muhammad were to believe what God gave to the Arabian people could work for us as well.
Elijah and W. D. Muhammad was such idiots they did not realize the racial differences.

Black Americans have to specifically receive God as the Arabian people and the children of Israel did.
When a people received God or God visits a people the first thing that God does is anoint a prophet from among those people.
Our prophet will have everything new and not have anything that belongs to the Arabian people. Islam belongs to the Arabian people and you all know I'm not telling you any lies or misleading you. Therefore, Elijah Muhammad was not our prophet.

Secondly, Elijah Muhammad taught you all that we were the Original Black Asiatic people, maker, owner and cream of the planet Earth. That is not true. Black Americans are a new race of people, approximately 500 years old. All Black people are not the same people. Ethiopian Blacks are not the same Blacks as we are.
Black Americans were born out of the ashes of plantation slavery when White Americans bred themselves starting with the first wave of African slaves continuing generation after generation until 1865. But by then a new race of people was into existence, black Americans.

Black Americans did not exist anywhere in the world before plantation slavery.

There is nothing that I say is incorrect. You all are just not ready yet to admit that I am telling the truth.

I am the way, and besides me, there is no other way that Black Americans could ever become a real people in this world. God communicates with me every day, if you will.

siebraHarry NEVER quotes the words of Allaah, AlQur'aan but she too, like the other frightened cowards denniggrate a DEAD man.

every one that is old enough knows that the only fbiHelped them kill Abdul Maleek was and is the thief that stole from The Family of our father Elijah Muhammad---farakhanMadoof......

and as always PROOF can be found with the transcripts of 1964; in Cook County Court Records, 1978-1980--

but NOTHING can be found in the mind of some siebra30something never Read a Single part of AlQur'aan ---- know NOTHING of AlIslaam............

both of you heathen slaves need to READ something, sometime...........

Harry and Robert, I was just responding to you all's stupidity since you obviously don't understand the message Brother Abdul is trying to convey. Like I have been saying here at BIA for years, Min. Farrakhan did not destroy the Nation Of Islam, WALLACE the devil did. And even some of the followers of Messenger Elijah Muhammad can attest to that.

After the Messenger passed in 1975, WALLACE the devil destroyed the nation and explained how he hated his father and WALLACE the devil called the God that Messenger Elijah Muhammad taught us about a ***ot.

Also it was WALLACE the devil, NOT Malcolm X, who began the rumor of the Messenger having s*x with his teenage secretaries. Yes the rumor was started by WALLACE the devil, and he gave the rumor to Malcolm and if you remember Malcolm said that he got this from WALLACE the devil. And there is VIDEO PROOF of Malcolm X stating that WALLACE the devil TOLD him that his father had children outside of his marriage. This video proof (which can be found on YouTube) was presented to WALLACE the devil in the early year of 2000 or 2001 by Gil Noble on his talk show "LIKE IT IS".

In the video proof, Gil Noble actually interviewed WALLACE the devil and showed him the clip where Malcolm X in a television interview states that he was told that the Messenger had children outside of his marriage with secretaries by WALLACE the devil. Gil Noble then turns and asks him did he ever tell Malcolm X that and WALLACE the devil says no he didn't.

Afterwards Gil Noble then explains to WALLACE the devil that Malcolm X had indeed stayed with WALLACE the devil at his residence during the latter part of Malcolm's time outside of the NOI and Malcolm told him directly that he got his information from WALLACE. WALLACE the devil again denied it but you can see from the interview that Gil Noble didn't believe WALLACE the devil's lying backside.

Also WALLACE the devil married a woman about 17 when he was about 72, this was his kind of life, a life of evil and a life to accuse others of his crimes. WALLACE the devil accuse the Messenger of what he himself was doing all of his worthless life. Plus when you find people willing to believe this of the Messenger, one would have to look at their character, they want to do this also!!!

DO THE MATH!!!

the actions of the devil are seen in the farakhanMadoof that had AbdulMaleek AsShabazz desposed of and then stole from the father and family of Imam WarithDeen Muhammad.........

and any of you Cult Criminals that attack a DEAD man.......just like FOI 2011 --- weak pathetic NOTHINGS..........

Mr Noisy Negro General Donkey aka Robert Powell...may you enjoy being a dummy...

dearest Irma,

you and I both know through life that Americans some times do not get Truth:

in America, Muslims follow the SAME thing 2 BIllion Muslims the World over. The Foundation of what the Creator of Adaam(as) gave Him, AlQur'aan and the Sunnah of Mohamed(as)

these noiFarakhaners are like the africaners of South Africa 1700-1990---by themselves.

dumb, scared, negro, jackarses, weak--------those are not adjectives for i

those adjectives have proven to be the the description of the farakhanMadoof Criminals and nonQur'aan reading cultists.

you call me names, but your argument is not with me, I give NOTHING but AlQur'aan and personal Historical facts --- may Allaah have Mercy on me..........

------you negros argument is with the FOUNDATION of AlIslaam, AlQur'aan------there are 2 Billion Muslims in the World and MOST of the Believers of AlIslaam and READERS of AlQur'aan and followers of Sunnah, are from Africa, the lands that you slaveryNegros come ..........

-------your colorWorship noi of 'black and white' is paganChristian not, AlIslaam.........

so READ what Allaah Says,

Sûrat Al-Baqarah
(The Cow) II
In the Name of Allâah,the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful


1. Alif-Lâm-Mîm

2. This is AlQur’âan, there is no doubt, a guidance to those who are Al-Muttaqûn [the pious believers of Monotheism who fear Allâah and abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds which He has forbidden) and love Allâah by performing all kinds of good deeds which He has ordained)].

3. Who believe in the Ghaib and perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), and spend out of what We have provided for them, give Zakât, spend on themselves, their parents, their children, their wives, and also give charity to the poor and also in Allâah’s Cause.

4. And who believe in AlQur’âan and the Sunnah which has been revealed to Mohamed and in that which was sent down before you AtTaurât (Torah) and AlInjeel (Gospel), and belief with certainty; the Hereafter. (Resurrection, recompense of their good and bad deeds, Paradise and Hell).



253. Those Messengers! We preferred some of them to others; to some of them Allâah spoke (directly); others He raised to degrees (of honour); and to ‘Îsâ, the son of Maryam (Mary), We gave clear proofs and evidence, and supported him with Rûh-ul-Qudus [Jibrael]. If Allâah had willed, succeeding generations would not have fought against each other, after clear Verses of Allâh had come to them, but they differed - some of them believed and others disbelieved. If Allâah had willed, they would not have fought against one another, but Allâh does what He likes.

254. O you who believe! Spend of that with which We have provided for you, before a Day comes when there will be no bargaining, nor friendship, nor intercession. And it is the disbelievers who are the Zâlimûn (wrong-doers).

255. Allâah! Lâ ilâha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), Al-Hayyul-Qayyum (the Ever Living, that which sustains and protects All that exists). Neither slumber nor sleep overtakes Him. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. Who is he that can intercede with Him except with His Permission? He knows what happens to His creatures in this world, and what will happen to them in the Hereafter. And they will Never compass anything of His Knowledge except that which He wills. His Kursî extends over the heavens and the earth, and He feels no fatigue in guarding and preserving them. And He is the Most High, the Most Great.

256. There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Tâghût and Believes in Allâah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy that will never break. Allâah is All-Hearer, All-Knower.

READ AlQur'aan sometime,

Hello to All,

Robert writes that I never quote the words of Allah and AlQuran. He goes on to explain that Mr. Farrakhan stole from the Nation of Islam.

Siebra writes that Mr. Farrakhan did not destroy the Nation of Islam. She says that Wallace D. Muhammad destroyed the Nation of Islam. She goes on to say that Abdul is trying to explain that Wallace D. Muhammad destroyed the Nation of Islam and not Mr. Farrakhan.

Gary Williams give his support to Siebra. This dumb Negro had one time said to me that a search party have searched for God for 76 trillion years and came up empty handed. I asked Mr. Williams where did they search and did they have the latest surveillance equipment. This knucklehead response was that he call me a *****. I laughed to myself.

I must say that the only one posted anything sensible and rational is Irma. She wonders if there is still a viable NOI considering the many different fractions and all of the fractions are arguing among each other.

I made it clear to all of you dumb Black American Negroes who are descendents of plantation slaves that Elijah Muhammad was ignorant and misled by Mr. Fard Muhammad who Elijah thought was God in the flesh.
I backed my self up by simply saying Black Americans are not Arabian people. Therefore, what God gave to the Arabian people through Prophet Mohammed is workable only for the Arabian people. In other words, God must give and have given Black Americans what is workable for A Black Americans.

Let me explain! When God had decided to visit the Arabian people God anointed Prophet Mohammed and gave the religion of Islam to Prophet Mohammed and to no other people.
Likewise, when God decided to visit Black Americans God anointed Prophet Harry and gave the religion LIFE to Prophet Harry.
Do any of you all have the sense and rationale to see that the same format that God exercised with the Arabian people God exercised with Black Americans as well? In fact, do you all have the common sense to see that this same format was exercised with the children of Israel when God anointed Moses?

So, why do you dumb Negroes about the nation of Islam when Mohammed and Islam have nothing to do with Black Americans since Black Americans now have our own prophet and religion?

Let the history that Black Americans will right and our religious book of LIFE as soon as we become a sovereign people in my lifetime on the best, reasonable and fertile portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders to worship God, pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way.

You dumb Negroes should be concerned about becoming a sovereign people in a country of our own having our own prophet and religion. It is God, our prophet and religion that will be and is responsible for our impending sovereignty. Mohammed and Islam, Jesus and Christianity will not be responsible for our sovereignty. Our sovereignty is something we must do ourselves having nothing of any one else's thing to help us along. Do you dumb Negroes understand what I am saying?

So, to argue over the NOI is worthless and makes you all look stupid because you are living in the past. Get up and move on. Black Americans do not want to have anything to do with the name Islam. Islam belongs to the Arabian people. LIFE belongs to Black Americans. Do you dumb Negroes understand that?

and I have made it very clear Harry that you, siebra, gingrich and all no thinking American paganChristians have only slaverAmericana to base your colorWorshipping thinking about.

AlIslaam is the way of Life ordained from the Creator of Adaam(as) to Mankind......the Foundation of Mankind is Monotheistic Thought given to All of the Family of Adaam(as)

Robert, you are stupid. Are the roaches in your house Muslins and do they read Al Quran?

sorry, stupidito but I do not have any roaches in my house.

but roaches do follow the ordained importance and purpose that the Creator had intended for them.

Stupid Robert,

My question is whether the roaches in your house are Muslims and read the Quran. Since you say you don't have any roaches in your house then all other roaches are infidels, am I right.

again, REAL slow RE-READ what I posted --- cause yourMind doesnt quite Comprehend like many people........

Muslims are servants of Their Creator --- mountains, universes, leaves, ants, etc are Servants of their Creator..............

Excerpt of The Honorable Elijah Muhammad's words to his son Wallace THE DOUBLE HYPOCRITE:

"Dear Son,

I feel that I owe it to you to write you this letter, for I have never done for you, the things that I promised Allah I would do, because you never did give me the chance or rather I could never find you in the right attitude. I used to wait for you sometimes at night thinking I would catch you in a spiritual mood to teach you something that I wanted you to know of the spiritual revelation revealed and taught to me as I sought Allah for another son, that I would teach and make him a minister and I wanted to give him his name.

" That was before you were born. So when you were born, he reminded me that I had asked him these things of a son, and he reminded me that I said I was going to teach him and make a minister out of him. These are the truth of sayings of Allah, and myself concerning you before you were born. After you were born, He gave to you his name. I wired it from Chicago at the time in conference over the laborers there. At the tme we received the telegram, we were dining. I had always wanted to find you in the mood to teach you what I had in mind, but everytime I had an attempt to, you did not seem to be in the mood for spiritual guidance of that sort. I watched you all your life to see about the type of person you were going to be. He told me that you would be a good one. He did not tell me you were going to be a prophet. He said you would be a good one, and to care for you better than I cared for the rest, and I did that.

"Your mother and I gave you more attention than all the others, almost combined. So I watched your actions and to see how much you were inclined to the study and practice of religion (Islam). I used to wait around to see if you would ask me questions about the religion and about the Holy Qur'an so that I could get started to tell you much, until I began to doubt and I said to your mother and I told her I wanted to teach you spiritually and do as I had promised Allah I would do. But I could never catch him in the mood, look like. Ask her and she will tell you.

"Training a person spiritually is far different from any other training. I prayed to Allah to bless you with spiritual guidance and to help make you like Ishmael was to Abraham. I was tellilng Brother Minister James about the things that was discussed over you and my great desire for a son as a minister and teacher of Islam at the table two weeks ago in my hpouse around coffee time in the morning. He was so touched until he broke down in tears, and cried out. He could not control himself. I waited and thought that maybe it would come to you when you were 20, 30, or 40.

"I told you once myself. I said Allah will speak to you; he will reveal to you something. I said, "You wait, you watch." For I seemingly could not get you in the mood I wanted and I did not want Him to charge me with promising to make a minister out of you and then fail or neglect to do so. I spent $20 thousand dollars, nearly, trying to keep you from going to prison, all to receive an ungrateful attitude fo so doing.

"I did not visit you in prison and I told you why, because of enemies who hate me so much that to see me talk with my own son there in prison, he hoped to destroy us both. Very few have I ever visited in prison, not because I did not want to; my heart is with them as you know I have now thousands of believers in prison and they are wonderful, but I have asked a lawyer to intervene for me to try and see if he would let me visit those whom I am allowed to write. But they refuse; the authority say, my presence may cause trouble and the only way that they can handle it or the only permission I could get was to correspond but not to go there. I tried to pay a lawyer a big sum of money to get some of the prison authorities wherein I have a lot of believers - in some I have as many as 400 to let me go to visit there and talk with them. I a$$ured them they would not act ungrateful and anything above the prison law or break no prison law by my visit, but rather be better inmates of that particular institute after I have gone. But yet they are afrain to let me visit fearing that I might convert the rest.

"I know what they fear; therefore, son, I thought it was best that I did not appear to make it worst for you, but I told your wife I would put plenty money in the prison ---not only 10 or 50 dollars that I was offering her so send to you, but I would put 4 hundred dollars and your mother will bear me witness that I told her the same. But I was told that you said that they will not accept so much money. Of course, in Milan, you could send a prisoner there $10 thousand if you wanted. But, they would lock it up in the safe and five you just so much. They had an allowance that you could trade so much at the commensary, and at the termination of your term there, they give you a check for your money that you may cash.

"Now, since I was not able to get you in the right mood, I thought after you came from prison you would come out to see me as I was unable to see you and had been out there under repeated attacks of bronchial asthma for the last two or three years. And the weather condition did not permit me at that time to visit you in Chicago, and my greatest desire was that you come here to Phoenix so that I could have a long talk with you. But to my surprise, when you started writing to me here and the things I heard, you do not know what a shock it was to me as well as a shock to you what you heard of me. We both had a great shock. The reason I wanted to talk also because when you did visit I thought you would better understand and be more spiritually inclined.



" The Saviour told me in seeing how best I could probably get to the people with Allah's help. He looked at me and said why don't you accept it. He said the time is right, meaning accept the mission to teach our people. He said the time is right and if you don't someone else will do it, because it is time, brother. That is the way he spoke. And I sat and looked at him without an answer. I was still thinking so deeply that I could not speak. I had been teaching then for two years. He looked at me again and yet I did not say anything. He said, brother, there is no one to do this job but you and me. And then he repeated the same thing.

" Why should not you do it, meaning to give life truth to my people. He said and get that big name. I still wondered what big name he was refering to, because I had never had knowledge of any big name? He said to me then, surely you will have a hard time. He said trying to get the dead arisen. He said, but others had that same kind of time, but he said don't worry over that. He said and don't worry over your family, go ahead and study. He said he did not want me to do a thing in the world but just study Islam and teach my people and your people, and then he looked at me and said arent you with me to put them on top of civilization? I said, yes sir, I will give my life to see them on top. He said yes brother, he said fear not.

" He said I will be with you, and when the time come, brother, you and I will be together and we will finish the job in a very short time. We will only have to stop in one city 15 minutes at a time; that will be time sufficient for that city. Then he said to cheer up, brother, as I was looking and acting pretty sad. I guess to him because I was thinking. He said cheer up. He said after you go through with all of this I had never went through, but that is what he said then, you will be happy after that. I looked at him and said, yes sir. He said, but remember that poor man Jesus brother, what a hard time he had. The people said everything about him that was evil, no good, some of it brother could not be printed on the pages of history in writing it was so terrible. Just remember him. What a hard time he had. And then he looked at me again and said, you have the hardest job of any man ever lived. I am giving you that job. He was than missioning me to my surprise as a messenger to his people.

" He said tell them I will not charge them for their sins they have committed. And that I will not even mention it to them. Tell them that even the ice makers that if they will follow you, then I will if that is what they want. Good homes and good friendship if they will give them money, let you teach them and they teach what you give them to teach and not what they are teaching now. I said, yes sir, but he said they will not follow you until at a certain time, and when that happens then, they all will come to you. The ice makers will come then and will help you and bow down to you. He said and all the dead will come. You will see them coming by the thousands. He said believe my words. He told me what would happen to bring them into submission. But I cannot tell you my son, because you are not following, you have left me and if I tell you that, it would ruin many of my followers. many may get beat and killed for knowing it.

" The devils know that I know it, but do not want me to tell you or any of my followers. Knowing the scriptures and prophecy as God has revealed it to me and fully well and other Biblical scholars and scientist, many I have met and discussed with them on the Holy Qur-an and Bible and not a one is able to condemn the interpretation that Allah has revealed to me of both books. I have offered ........ the disbelievers with $10 thousand to disprove any misinterpretation that I give to prophecy on both Bible and Holy Qur-an. I am visited now by many of the scientists of Islam from this part of the world and other parts here in Phoenix and outside of Phoenix. There are two here and they visited me not long ago with tears and wanted to make another visit. They want me to give them some of the great interpretation that I have given them that will change their own knowledge, their way of understanding on tape so that they can play it at Al-Ahzar.

" And one went so far as to say that the Holy Qur-an must be reinterpreted due to the things that I am doing and what Allah has revealed to me of the truth. And several of the gladly bear witness now that the sunrise from the west if surely fulfillment from the teaching I am giving them; that one day soon the light of Islam will shine brighter from the revelation given here to me than from the east. And that all people will have to follow the man raised from the dead whom God gave a greater light than those of the east.

"One thing I would like to say to you son, you are young and I am getting old, but, nevertheless, the words of Allah never is old. It is always new. And the old sages of history it was from older people that people received guidance and not from younger people. Moses was 80 before he went on his mission to lead Israel out of Egypt - - he did a good job. Eighty years is referred to in the Holy Qur-an to Muhammad, that on the night that surely he will be happier and more blessed than the past 80 years. It is referred to as a night of Majesty or the Al-Qadr. It reads like this: Surely he revealed it on the Night of Majesty and what will make them comprehend what the Night of Majesty is. The Night of Majesty is better than a thousand months. And a thousand months numerically is equal to about 83 years leaving about 17 years to complete a century.

" My son, I would like that you know what this means. The commentators all like to give Muhammad of the past credit for everything. They even go to the Bible, even in Habbakkuk and claim that prophecy is to him, which clearly refers to a prophet in the last days. This is what I contend with them on; that they put too much Muhammad of the past and nothing on a man in end of the world of which we must have. As you notice in the footnotes that they claim Muhammad referred to it that a reformer will appear among the Muslims in the commence of every century. But actually, Muhammad himself had never seen God and could not give too much exact prophect concerning it.

" But, here is a great prophecy in the 97th chapter of the Holy Qur-an wherein ....... If you could undrstand it, I would give you all the understanding if you were in the circle of my followers, but you are not. But maybe you will get someone to give to you the true understanding a little better than what is at the footnotes of that chapter, who give it according to his understanding. This is not something in the past, this is something of the future. The spirits or angels descending in it by the permission of their Lord for every affair, refers to the end of the world and not 1400 years ago. What follows that chapter in the next chapter 98 entitled Al-Bayyinah. When interpreted means, "The Clear Evidence." It refers to the past chapter 97. What happened on that night that the disbelievers from among the people of the book (Bible) and the idolators could not have been freed until Clear Evidence. My son, this did not happen 1400 years ago; this is today, because Christians have been convinced of their Bible errors and to acclaim a new revelation of Allah. Second, it says a messenger from Allah reciting pure pages wherein all right books means the present Holy Qur-an is a right book, but this book is referred to as being of all right book. It gives you hints it is the last and in another chapter of the Holy Qur-an it refers to a book that is protected that no infidel shall touch it. That is the book that is referred to in the revelation of the Holy Qur-an coming in the end of the world.

" The present Holy Qur-an is a right book, but not the book that takes us in the beyond, but only brings up to the door of the new world of Islam. Fulfilled all the prophets of the Bible and qualify the believers to make their exit out of the old world of the devil and the scripture in which they had corrupted the day the Holy Qur-an was touched by every infidel who wanted to touch it. But the one referred to there, my son, is the one he reminded me he had himself. He had made with his own hands and that he would give to me when I learn to speak Arabic. He said because it is written all in Arabic and not in English, Englich will be added for interpretaion because of the devil's language. This book is referred to in the Holy Qur-an as being given to Muhammad. An Arabian Holy Qur-an in those words to warn the people of the mother city. The book that Muhammad received first, the Holy Qur-an says, was a book in the language of the people, then, later, he was told that he will give him a book in the language of the mother city in Arabia. We cannot imagine Muhammad of 1400 years ago not knowing Arabic when he was born in Mecca. We cannot imagine him teaching people in a language other than Arabic because history teaches us he was an Arab and taught in Arabia and hardly got out of Arabia. Some say he was taken to Syria when he was a boy by his uncle.

" I would to my Allah that you had not turned a disbeliever before I taught you some great truths that would have been beneficial to you and you probably would not be in the condition you are. You may not think you are in a bad condition by your going away from me, scandalizing me to the world, but, my son, you are. That is why I'm writing you this letter. It is because I have a letter in my possession that a man wrote you, and the letter was not sent to me or my address. It was sent to the wrong address, not your address. And that person opened the letter and gave it to me. It is good they did open it and give it to me, because it is too terrible for you to ever read. The ugly things and the ugly swearing that man did in writing you. I have not shown the letter to my wife and do not intend to do so. I do not know whether the other will do so or not, as they always love to tell their mother everything whether it hurts her or make her happy. But I do not believe in telling anything to hurt them unless I know it is going to do them good. So I still have the letter but I am sure you would not like to read such a letter. It is very ugly, wherein you said you will accept being a spiritual advisor to those who wanted you to be or leader or teacher. My son, we cannot give spiritual advise to anyone unless Allah give it to us. We cannot take these things upon ourselves.

" In this letter you say to the world that you are not saying anything has been revealed to you from Allah, but you tell them it is from yourself that you feel that you should do. This is a poor mission to offer the world. As Malcolm said he was going out to build a Mosque and make it Mosque Inc. and that he would receive anyone. We keep spies in on him as we have them on you. But you do not know them nor did Malcom know who our spies were. We never revealed our informers. Your father has been taught well how to do these things by the Lord of the World, whom you disclaim as the Holy Qur-an says that the disbelievers would do. Say to God that he named has taught him. Disbelieving in man being God. I read some of your words on it. You slander towards the very God and Saviour who has purchased you with a price of suffering and humiliation in the midst of our enemies to redeem us from the curses of the cursed devils. This my son you do not understand.

" Your father is well seasoned in these things in this knowledge. And knows surely well that you are far off from the right course. You cannot lead the dead from self. You have to have God on your side, and God has to guide you in the way he wants the dead to go. Malcom thought he would get strong hold in New York against me. He may still think so, but he will be defeated. Allah has already taken his light from him. He has not devine guidance any more. He had that as long as he was with me, as you read in the papers after my visit to Ne York on June 28. After Malcolm saw how the peopel cmae out and bore witness to Allah that he had sent me to raise this nation, he went and changed his organization from Mosque Inc. to a political one. He has stored up ammunition as they have been revealing and now today, in the papers it says the police has captured his captain with much arsenal in store.

" Some of his followers have already gone to jail and penetentaries serving time for accepting such foolish advice from a man who sought to get revenge against me for suspending him for an indefinite time. He felt he could not take it; that the world thought too much of him as being too great a man; that he was greater than I, but Allah proved to him on the 28th of June there in New York that he was with Elijah Muhammad, and not with Malcolm.

"The people came out according to the true estimates 14000. Twelve thousand were inside the armory which the caretaker said would hold 12000. And it was packed to capacity and two thousand milled around on the outside listening to the lecture over loud speakers that were set up. It was a wonderful sight that those who saw will never forget. He had threatened my followers over the phone, the secretary, that if I came I would be killed; they did not get rid of me. But as you know, son, all your life you have never seen your father flinch from fear from anyone who makes threats against me, because I know I have Allah on my side and I go alone in this wicked world where devils, disbelievers and hypocrites threaten to take my life. But, Allah is with me and always fear not, I am with thee. And the world knows that I fear none but Allah.

" I feel I owe it to you to write this letter in this nature. I am not your enemy against you, son. I am your father and you are my flesh who came from my loins. The things I hear that you are saying and doing is far from what I was bringing up in you. You disbelieve in Allah who came in the person of Master Fard Muhammad, who has done all of these wonderful things for your father and for his followers. Now you don't believe such. Then you criticized me as a hypocrite even to God and have used the Holy Qur-an for distortion misrepresenting it. You have charged me with some ugly, evils of which I had no control of that which was written of me before I was born. Or before my parents were born or before they entered into slavery. It was there.

" If you had been living 1400 years ago and saw a man with a wife and six children, some say eight, being loyal and true to her for 25 years and after his 53rd year, he then had taken on eleven wives, you would have called him a fool, as probably you have said of me. You would have said he had no revelation; have no such thing and was doing that of himself like some of the commentators, as you may have read of the disbelievers cla$$ify Muhammad as being vulutory. My son, you do not know scripture. Muhammad could not have been the last prophet. In fact, Allah disclaim him as a prophet, but a great fanatic in Islam who wanted everyone to be Muslims. In fact, again, Muhammad does not have in his Holy Qur-an his sayings or prophecy. It is God, himself, talking while the Bible clearly speaks of a prophet of a day of the Lord's way. No where in the Holy Qur-an does Muhammad say that he was this and that to him. And if you had read and studied it to find the truth, you will find much of it and know of it being revealed in this time. What I mean is that my work here in America is fulfilling that which they claim that was fulfilled in the life of Muhammad.

"........ Let me say this son to you that the Holy Qur-an repeatedly tells you that Allah is sufficient to judge his servant. And the Bible also bears witness of the same. Who is he that judges another man's servant. Isaiah if you read around the 60th chapter, I am not too clear about this chapter, but it is there. It says like this: I have chosen him and I will not give my glory to another. This means son that God has missioned the man and that he will not give his mission to another. And it also says in that chapter: "He was blind, deaf and he was dumb, but opened his ears or eyes though he was so blind, he was deaf and dumb. But God ..... I have chosen him who is blind and deaf and who is dumb." Then he says, "I will lead him and guide him and heal him and he says that which shall shut their mouths at him. He is the apple of mine eyes." These are almost the words God said to me in Michigan. In another place in Isaiah, "Ask me and I will give to you the utmost parts of the earth for thine possession. I will destroy nations for thy sake." In another place: "No weapons that is formed against them shall prosper. I, the lord will ..... that and every tongue that rise up against thee in judgment shall be condemned." The Holy Qur-an says this of the same. And the disbelievers who think they have something, but by no means will Allah disgrace his servant on that day. And as the prayer goes, "He whom Allah befriends is not disgraced."

" You may consider that your slinging mud has disgraced me in the eyes of the people, but it has not. We are getting more converts today than ever. You may ask. They will tell you how they are coming to No. 2. Some nights on Wednesdays and Fridays from 40 to 45 new people, and on Sundays as high as 90 to 97, and taking out forms and returning. You went to Ola and you tried to get her. Remember what you first said to me when you came out to Phoenix? "Not to try to help scandalize but try to help stop a scandle?" You changed and went just the opposite. My son, my son, I know Allah and I know the chastisement that is sset for those who travel the road you are traveling. Do not trust a hypocrite or a disbeliever's power against me, for Allah will bring it all to nothing. Allah has granted to me power and authority against you. I believe Allah is with me wherever I may be for he knows my heart. I have no disbelief in him in my heart. My trust and hopes are steadfast in him. My heart is not filled with evil and filth. These things were that the scripture may be fulfilled, but also the scriptures teaches you, Bible and Holy Qur-an, that Muhammad was forgiven for all his mistakes and errors. And those who follow and believe were forgiven, you will find it. "Ask forgiveness for your sins and for the sins of your followers." This means that God would not accept their forgiveness unless Muhammad would intervene and then, he would.

" God said he did not hold him for anything but for the spreading or delivering of his message and I did that. This Muhammad will do with his help. Word has gone throughout the earth in all nations they have heard it. I receive much mail from every where throughout the world. Your deviation and Malcolm's deviating has done nothing towards disgracing my progress in the resurrection of my people. All who will follow you and Malcolm will only be those like yourself; hypocrites, disbelievers as the Holy Qur-an teaches they take nothing away but those like themselves: Hypocrites, disbelievers and you don't get many of those. for many who left now has returned asking forgiveness. The lie that you and Hasan said in the paper about people leaving me by the droves. They are coming to me in droves.

" My son, you have nothing to fight with me. You and Malcolm and all the hypocrites that can convince the world that I am preaching has failed, and that I am not worthy to preach the truth. You must remember son, that the Holy Qur-an teaches you and me that those who are sevants of Allah, "If the devil causes a foot to slip of my servants, do not dispair, for Allah forgives sin altogether. Know that Allah is merciful. Know that Allah will forgive the believers." This means that all believers in the Messenger if he errors or sins, so long as he is a believer he is forgiven. In another place in the Holy Qur-an, it says that Allah will on that day forgive the believers their sins, and take away the evil that was in them and make them deserving of the salvation that has been made to them that believed. The Bible says this: "Though their sins be red as crimson, I will wash them white as snow. But those who disbelieve in Allah and in his messenger and in the scriptures which he brings the message he was delivering, they shall be the inmates of the fire of hell."

" I have very sincere followers, my son, and not in twos and threes, and two and three dozens, but I have them coming in thousands scattered over the country. I have been charged by you, so I hear, and your wife of sending people around to try and hurt you. This is not so, I would not let a man pull a hair stran out of your head if I thought it would hurt. I would no more harm you than David did Absalom his son, who had deceived the people to follow him and then united them in war against his father, only to be the loser. His father was an old veteran at war, scheming, as Allah had brought him through many battles and had taught him the way of war. As the Bible says in the Songs of David that, "He had taught his hands to war." So has God tau;ght me. I do not fear threats as Allah is the best skilled one in planning. It hurts me very much when I heard these things as you started all of this like a clear thunder bolt out of the sky.

" If you and your nephew had had enough good in you and had loved your parents for the good things they have done for you all your lives and was still loving you and seeking good for you, not wanting none of the hardships that we have pa$$ed to ever come upon your heads; sit down and told us what you thought before you ever gave it to the public, you would have found more truth against what you were thinking than you had. And then after that you should not have gone out to the public to try to disgrace your parents and charge them with corruption and robbing of the people. You should not have been the first to do this. This was out of your place. You mentioned something like that to me when you first came to visit me. Remember? But I did not yield before I knew those officers were not guilty as they were accused, as I was holding the records myself from all the Mosques and knew what was coming in. And about them being rough sometimes with some of the believers, when they learned that I did not approve and that I was checking on it, I do think my checking their admonition has gone a long ways towards good. They are much better, and the people love them and there is no such time as robbing and stealing from the people. And Allah makes you a liar for charging we make the people come and pour in their money.

" I am asking the whole nation to help on a three-year savings plan, and they are responding by the thousands. Allah is with me. And I am sorry for you, whom I have nursed and your mother to be one of the sons of God and now to disclaim Master Fard Muhammad as being the true God and Saviour. This puts you completely out. And made us to lose hope and see our work from your earliest until today as worthless for a son to tell us what you have.

" Do you think that what you heard of me constitutes a disbeliever, and that God was not with me and would leave me and had left me? No. He did not leave Abraham when he left Hagar in the deserts to die. He did not leave Moses when he took the Ethiopian woman into marriage with him over the wishes of his sister and brother Aaron. But chastised his sister for annoying him for taking the Ethiopian woman. The Bible says as a concubine. He wasn't angry with Moses, but with those who tried to annoy him, as though he was not looking at his own servant.

"This is why God punishes people for attacking his servants because they underestimate the knowledge of God as though he wasn't listening, hearing and knowing what his servant is doing. And that they needed to judge him and tell God you made a mistake for choosing such a man as you, as the Holy Qur-an indirectly says of Allah concerning Muhammad.

P.S. If anyone is wondering whether this letter by the Messenger is authentic...the answer is YES!!!

Hello to All,

One of the items W. D. Muhammad did not believe was that Mr. Master Fard Muhammad was God, but his father Elijah Muhammad believed Mr. Master Fard Muhammad was God!

Because W. D. Muhammad did not believe as his father Elijah did you all feels W. D. Muhammad is a hypocrite, am I right.

You all are stupid! A hypocrite is when a person fools you into thinking that they believe as you do, but they don't. W. D. Muhammad was upright and straightforward with Elijah. W. D. Muhammad felt that Elijah had went psychologically over the edge believing that an Arabian born man could be God.

We Black Americans are very ignorant people. There are good and divine reasons why we are an extremely ignorant people. The reason is because we are descendents of cotton picking plantation slaves. We were born and bred to be ignorant and we believe as do because the old White Americans slave master raised our ancestors this way. You all know what I am saying is the truth.

Elijah Muhammad was not divine. We should know that Elijah was not divine. If Elijah was divine it would not have been necessary for him to be baptized in the Arabian religion of Islam while he is a Black American man. When Elijah was baptized into the religion of the Arabian people he automatically gave them authority over his spiritual belief and Elijah became inferior to the Arabians and all those that wind up following Elijah.

If the Elijah was divine God would have given him what our religion is. God gave me what our religion is and I told you all that our religion is LIFE. None of that happened with Elijah, am I right. However, just the way I said it should have happened if Elijah was divine it happened for Prophet Mohammed and me. God gave Prophet Mohammed the religion of Islam and to no one else. Likewise, God gave me the religion LIFE for Black Americans.

However, the human man Mr. Master Fard Muhammad is who you all believe is God and W. D. Muhammad did not believe so and neither do I.

You all are stupid!

You dumb wannabe Arabian Muslims could believe the Arabian people could have a prophet from God but you knuckleheads cannot believe God would send us a prophet as well. That's thinking with a mind of a slave, am I right.

You all have no damn thinking and rational abilities!

It doesn't matter whether Elijah's letter to W. D. Muhammad is authentic because Elijah Muhammad was not divine. Elijah Muhammad was nothing. Dr. King was nothing. Our prophet is more than they were since God anointed our prophet and not Elijah. Am I making any sense?

you paganChristians have written above vicious claims against a Deceased Man----Imam WarithDeen Muhammad----May Allaah reward the Muslims for good deeds........

siebra and other no Knowledge writers, does not give or can give any FACTS:

i give you:

HISTORICAL FACTS:

1975…Elijah Muhammad dies. His son, W. Deen Muhammad, assumes leadership.
Our Father Elijah Muhammads' Will, was specific to be given to W. Deen. Muhammad and His Leadership of Family.

BUT

1978…Dissident group headed by Louis Farrakhan, opposed to Muhammad's integrationist leanings, breaks off and calls itself the Nation of Islam

--- this begins the Intellectual Property THEFT of Our Father Elijah Muhammad
This DISSIDENT group, headed by Farrakhan and a wife of Elijah Muhammad then begin the THEFT of The Family of Elijah Muhammad and The Islaamic Principles of Inheritance as outlined in AlQur'aan and the Sunnah of Mohamed(as):

The New York Times-------------Published: November 03, 1987

Nineteen children of Elijah Muhammad, the late Black Muslim leader, have squared off against the world's largest bank in a legal dispute with a $5.7 million bank account at stake.
The battle, in which the bank, Dai Ichi Kangyo of Japan, is allied with Mr. Muhammad's two other children, is yet another chapter in a larger and extremely bitter fight over his multimillion-dollar estate that has divided his family ever since he died without a will in 1975.
Chicago Court Gives Leader's Money to Black Muslims Dissedents of Farrakhan

AP-----Published: January 02, 1988
A $5.7 million bank account of Elijah Muhammad, the Black Muslim leader who died in 1975, belongs to the religious organization he founded and not to his heirs, an Illinois appeals court has decided.

''Where funds are solicited to benefit a religious organization, we believe that basic principles of equity and fair dealing should preclude the use of those funds to benefit the personal estate of the religious leader,'' Justice Mel Jiganti of the State Appellate Court wrote in the court's opinion.

"The bank account at the Chicago Branch of the Dai-Ichi Kangyo Bank, formerly the First Pacific Bank of Chicago, totaled $3.3 million shortly after Mr. Muhammad's death and because of accrued interest has increased to $5.7 million."

The dispute over the funds has been in the courts since Mr. Muhammad's death.
Emmanuel Muhammad, administrator of his father's estate, argued that the money belonged to Elijah Muhammad's 22 children.


---------Theft is NOTHING compared to the American Crimes perpetuated by The Dissedents as the thief Explains:

CBS) Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan admits in a 60 Minutes interview broadcast Sunday and reported on Wednesday's CBS Evening News that his incendiary rhetoric played a role in the 1965 assassination of civil rights leader Malcolm X.

Farrakhan makes the statements to Malcolm X’s daughter, Atallah Shabazz, and 60 Minutes Correspondent Mike Wallace.

"I may have been complicit in words that I spoke leading up to February 21 [1965]," Farrakhan tells Shabazz and Wallace. "I acknowledge that and regret that any word that I have said caused the loss of life of a human being."

Shabazz later issued a statement thanking Farrakhan for acknowledging his role and said: "I wish him peace." However, she did not forgive him.
No forgiveness for Death of Her Father so:

---------A daughter of slain leader Malcolm X was recently indicted and charged with trying to hire a hit man to kill Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan.
Qubilah Shabazz, 34, was with her father when he was murdered nearly 30 years ago.
She faces charges of using the telephone and crossing state lines in the course of trying to hire the hit man to kill Farrakhan, U.S. Attorney David Lillehaug said.

The nine-count indictment against her follows a seven month FBI investigation.

Robert all you doing is rambling on and throwing scare tactics at us. I will say that nothing was too good for this rotten no good hypocrite Wallace D. the Hypocrite Mohammed. If lies was money Wallace would have been rich. When I heard that the n*gga was put in the ground, I was crying and laughing at the same time. I was laughing so hard I was crying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This rotten scum and the same kind of ilk of his is one of the main reason why we as a people have nothing and are on the outside looking in to all free thing people. This scum Wallace D. Mohammad was happy being a slave and having a slaves portion. To be raised in the house of a man that taught Black people to want Freedom and to love Justice and to love Truth. What he turned out to be was a big disappointment to say the least.

Anyone with half a brain could see this loser and his simpletons were and or nothing but frauds and Idiots. The Messenger taught to do for self, in today’s trouble times with unemployment on the rise and the whole world in an economic down turn, the Black People would need to turn to themselves for employment. Self perseveration is the first law of nature, but these geniuses have never learned this Law!

Wallace D. Mohammad was a Traitor to his people, just like Benedict Arnold was a Traitor to America. Wallace D. Mohammad is like a Palistaine who sold out his people to the Israelis. As the Messenger said we don’t want to be slaves to no man, the American white people or Arabs. But some people just cannot get away from being slaves and thinking like slaves.

what you or the other cowards, and trifling siebra write about a DEAD man is insignificant.......

unless you go into a grave or are Resurrected with him, just dont know in LIFE.

but filthyMouthed female

speak to the FACTS:

of the farakhanMadoof thief --- per Cook County Records

----- and murder suspect---per Quibilah Shabazz---

of the real benedict Arnold to American Laws, Islaamic Laws and the will of Allaah.

whatever!!!

well sleep with the Majesty of Allaah, AlAzeez, AlHaq, AlMuhamimin, AlMaleek alQudoos:

Sûrat Al-An’âm
(The Cattle) VI
In the Name of Allâah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful


1. All praises and thanks be to Allâah, Who created the heavens and the earth, and originated the darkness and the light; yet those who disbelieve hold others as equal with their Lord.

2. He it is Who has created you from clay, and then has decreed a stated term for you to live and die. And there is with Him another determined term for you to be resurrected, yet you doubt in the Resurrection.

3. He is Allâah, to be worshipped Alone, in the heavens and on the earth; He knows what you conceal and what you reveal, and He knows what you earn, good or bad.

111. And even if We had sent down to Mankind, the Malaaeeka(angels), and the dead had spoken unto them, and We had gathered together all things before their very eyes, they would not have believed, unless Allâah willed, but most of them behave ignorantly.

112. And so We have appointed for every Prophet enemies - Shayâtîn (devils) among Mankind and jinn, inspiring one another with adorned speech as a delusion or by way of deception. If your Lord had so willed, they would not have done it; so leave them alone with their fabrications.

113. This is in order that the hearts of those who disbelieve in the Hereafter may incline to deceit, and that they may remain pleased with it, and that they may commit what they are committing (all kinds of sins and evil deeds).

114. Say, Mohamed, "Shall I seek a judge other than Allâah while it is He Who has sent down unto you AlQur’âan, explained in detail." Those to whom We gave the Scripture [the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] know that it is revealed from your Lord in Truth. So be not you of those who doubt.

115. And the Word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can change His Words. And He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower.

116. If you obey most of those on the earth, they will mislead you far away from Allâah’s Path. They follow nothing but conjectures, and they do nothing but lie.

117. Verily, your Lord! It is He Who knows best who strays from His Way, and He knows best the rightly guided ones.

Hello Siebra and Robert,

What is presently going on between the both of you is a typical example of why Black Americans are the stupidest people in this country.

Ignorant and stupid people disregard facts and therefore they disregard the truth. Without the truth we, Black Americans could never become a functional people in this world.

For incidents, it is evident that when Elijah passed W. D. Muhammad stepped into leadership. W. D. Muhammad's leadership was validated by Mr. Farrakhan himself when he stayed in the NOI under the leadership of W. D. Muhammad for approximately 3 years. Then, Mr. Farrakhan broke away and started his own Nation of Islam. Now that is a fact and a fact is a truth.

Since this fact and truth does not agree with your emotional feelings because you do not want Minister Farrakhan to be blamed for fracturing the original Nation of Islam since you are a follower of Mr. Farrakhan.

Your fight with the truth Siebra is a very poor example of brainwork.

Now when it comes to Robert he shows very poor brainwork as well when a fact is told to him. For instance, it is a fact that racial diversity exist in this world. Any idiot knows that a Black American man is racially different from an Arab man. Yet, Robert says they are the same race because he doesn't want to face the truth that prophets are racially different and therefore Prophet Mohammed can not be Black America's prophet. Black America's prophet must be a Black American himself.

Now Robert and you Siebra is not alone with this type of mental dysfunction. Everyone Black American I dialogues with exhibits this type of mental dysfunction. 41 million Black Americans are very ignorant and the logical reason for it is that we are descendents of plantation slaves.

Black Americans treats facts as though facts were trash. Black Americans takes facts and throw it out the window as a litterbug would throw a McDonald's hamburger wrappings and fill it out on the highway as he finished eating a hamburger. Black Americans are some very stupid people including Mr. Elijah Muhammad.

We know Elijah was a very ignorant man to embrace the religion of the Arabian people and he, himself is not an Arab man.

Black Americans must learn to treat facts and truth as facts and truths. That is, we must use our brains to rationally fit these facts into the bigger picture so when we take our next step our step would be in the right direction.

Am I making any sense?

Now, let us get to the bottom line. The bottom line is that it doesn't matter who fractured the NOI because the Nation of Islam is nothing to Black Americans.
We have our own religion LIFE the same as the Arabian people with their religion Islam and the European gentiles with their religion of Christianity. Black Americans has our own prophet the same as the Arabian people with their own prophet.

The things that I have said that are going to happen for Black Americans is going to happen. Black Americans are going to inherit a reasonable infertile portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders in my lifetime to worship God, pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way. Therefore, Black Americans needs nothing from other people since we have God today the same as when the children of Israel had God 4000 years ago in the days of Moses. And all of what I say will be done through me by God.

again, for the 6,011,255th time

harry do read the subjects you respond to and do get someone with more than your selfProfessed 68 IQ retard to understand............

you are "black" because a paganChristian in Europe, DECIDED your slaverAmericaana ancestors were not HUMAN BEINGS from the CREATOR of Adaam(as)

Science and the History of Monotheism has PROVEN this idea, WRONG

but you want to KEEP the slaveAmericana concept alive--------

so YOU in 2011, are a proponent of LIES and Division in the Family of Adaam(as) and therefore a retarded version of europeanPaganism --- not a Belief in Creator.........

bottom line..........................

Stupid Robert,

For you to say that I am Black because a pagan Christian in Europe decided so is wrong. I decided that my people and I are Black American people born out of the ashes of plantation slavery.

When Black Americans become a sovereign people the scholars among us will decide then what we should name ourselves being a new race of people.

All genuine prophets know who their people are. Moses knew who his people were. Prophet Mohammed knew who his people were as well. Prophet Harry also knows who his people are.

You do not know who you are and who Black Americans are or else you would not be a so-called Arabian wannabe Muslim because you're not an Arab man, stupid!

Robert, you are an incredibly stupid so-called Arabian wanna

68 IQ retard Harry writes above and everywhere over and over,

"and I are Black American people born out of the ashes of plantation slavery."

Muslim, African, american sovereign citizen robertPowell writes above,"

"you are "black" because a paganChristian in Europe, DECIDED your slaverAmericaana ancestors were not HUMAN BEINGS from the CREATOR of Adaam(as)"

guess what harry, the same sentence with different words.

Africans were not christians in 1492.
Africans did not call themselves "black" in 1492.
slaveAmericans were referred to by paganChristian americans as savages, barbarians, demons before paganChristianity called them "black".

there are 200 Million Arab that are believers of AlQur'aan and Sunnah of Mohamed(as)-2011

there are 50 Million American believers of AlQur'aan and Sunnah of Mohamed(as)-2011
there are 50 Million Chinese believers of AlQur'aan and Sunnah of Mohamed(as)-2011
there are 50 Million PacificIslander believers of AlQur'aan and Sunnah of Mohamed(as)-2011
there are 50 Million South American believers of AlQur'aan and Sunnah of Mohamed(as)-2011
there are 100 Million European believers of AlQur'aan and Sunnah of Mohamed(as)-2011
there are 250 Million Indonesian believers of AlQur'aan and Sunnah of Mohamed(as)-2011
there are 500 Million African believers of AlQur'aan and Sunnah of Mohamed(as)-2011
there are 500 Million Indian/Hindi believers of AlQur'aan and Sunnah of Mohamed(as)-2011

about 2 BIllion Muslims 2011

i am a Muslim believer of AlQur'aan and Sunnah of Mohamed(as)-2011, an African and a usa citizen

you may call me a wannbee of AlQur'aan and Sunnah of Mohamed(as)-

but

i can SURELY call you a wannabe paganChristian blackMan.

Stupid Robert,

You calls me a wannabe paganChristian blackMan as a means of getting back at me because I first called you a wannabe Arabian Muslim.

I am justified to call you a wannabe Arabian Muslim since you fully embraces the Arabian religion and prophet and you are not an Arabian man. However, you are not justified to call me a pagan Christian because I do not embrace any form of Christianity. My religion is LIFE and my prophet is, Prophet Harry.

You are incredibly stupid and you are not honest and upright. You are incredibly stupid to believe that because 2 billion people who are not Arabians believe in Al Islam and AlQuran I should believe as the 2 billion people believe when I know that I and my people are not Arabians is absolutely stupid and absurd. You are incredibly stupid! The way you think is stupid!

you 68Harry, EMBRACE and USE the kingJames Version of events of 3000 + years......to explain your 'blackMan' AND your fairyTale divinity.

so i see no indonesian, no hindi, no european, no african EMBRACING a colorWorship but a worship of the Creator of Adaam(as)

this is what the Creator of Adaam(as) says,

Sûrat Yûsuf
[(Prophet) Joseph) ] XII
In the Name of Allâah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful


1. Alif-Lâm-Râ.

2. We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur’âan in order that you may understand.

3. We relate to Mohamed, the best of stories through Our Revelations to you, of AlQur’âan. And before this, you were among those who knew nothing about Revelation.

4. When, Yûsuf (Joseph) said to his father: "O my father! I saw eleven stars and the sun and the moon - I saw them prostrating themselves to me."

53. "And I am not above blame, the human self is inclined to evil, except when my Lord bestows His Mercy upon whom He wills. My Lord is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

54. And the king said: "Bring him to me that I may attach him to my person." Then, when he spoke to him, he said: "This day, you are with us high in rank and fully trusted."

55. Yûsuf said: "Set me over the store-houses of the land; I will indeed guard them with full knowledge" as a minister of finance in Egypt.

56. Thus did We give full authority to Yûsuf in the land, to take possession therein, when or where he likes. We bestow of Our Mercy on whom We will, and We make not to be lost the reward of Al-Muhsinûn (the good doers ).

57. The reward of the Hereafter is better for those who believe and used to fear Allâah and keep their duty to Him (by abstaining from all kinds of sins and evil deeds and by performing all kinds of righteous good deeds).

here is a passage of a Prophet of the Creator of Adaam(as) BEFORE Musa, another of the Prophets of Allaah, Illaah in Hebrew language.

AND Yusuf is given AUTHORITY in the land of Pharoah long before Musa, So this logically states that the hebrew/jew, Believer in the Creator of Adaam(as) became the Leader.

but your silly kingJames version slaverChristianity translate various paganLanguages to give you a stupidito version, YET you EMBRACE and USE them............in your LIFE.......

get a READING and COMPREHENSION buddy and LEarn something, sometime, you kingJames paganChristian version of a man.

back to the topic of this blag, May the Creator of Adaam(as) have Mercy on the Believers and doers of Good, his will............

I would like to add a few comments directed at two members of this site who have made some very disturbing comments about Imam W. Deen Mohammed...namely the apostate, Abdul Malik Muhammad, who would not have been able to claim such a name had it not been for Imam Mohammed, or the Hon. Elijah Mohammed, who started this whole evolution of uplifting African Americans, and introduced us to the religion of Islam.

Secondly...to the brother named Harry Watley, who is inaccurately convinced that Islam is not the religion of the Black man.

First...to Mr. A.M. Malik, I'd like to say that it's too bad that you are so grossly unhappy, and displeased with the work of Imam Mohammed. You said that Imam Mohammed lied and said that he was voted into the office of leadertship in our community. Respectfully, I would like to correct your assertion, and I don't know from where you got your information, but it is definitely not first hand. I hope that it wasn't from a cab driver.

I am one of the brothers who sold the Muhammad Speaks Newspaper travelling across the continent of North America. When the Hon. Elijah Muhammad passed away on 25 Feb 1975, Tom Brokaw interviewed Wallace Muhammad on the NBC Today Show that morning just before his father's death, and asked him who would assume the leadership of the NOI in the event of his father's death. His reply was simply that it would be himself. Brokaw then asked him were his father's followers aware of this. His response was to the affirmative...and he added "...that is those who follow my father...they know it already. But for those others who do not, if they didn't know, then they know it now." I am paraphrashing his response, but this is, in effect what he said.

Next, a short time before all of this occured, the Hon. Elijah Muhammad, in poor health, and in his pajamas, hosted a dinner/meeting with all of his ministers from across the nation, and including those ministers from other locations in the Carribean, South, and Central America. As you may be aware, or maybe you are totally unaware, Wallace was previously suspended by his father from the NOI before all of this occured because he never accepted the doctrine of a black god, nor of a white devil based on his study of Allah's word in the Holy Qur'aan.

At this dinner, there were present, once again, some of the ministers who did not like Wallace/Imam Mohammed. So they played a tape for T.H.E.M. of one of his son's lectures at the Philadelphia Temple where he was the minister, pointing out to Elijah that Wallace was teaching directly from the Qur'aan which is totally contrasting to the doctrine of the concept of a black god and a white devil.

When T.H.E.M. heard the tape, he jumped up out of his seat, and he told all of his ministers that were present at that dinner meeting that his son had it. He said that his son could take that message anywhere and teach it. You see...some of you blind followers didn't know that T.H.E.M. made Hajj in 1959.

Of course I wouldn't know if you were around during that time, nor of anytime during the period that T.H.E.M. was alive, and taught the NOI doctrine. I'm supposing that, according to your understanding that you have displayed so far, that it wouldn't make any difference anyhow. You probably wouldn't know anymore than you know now. On the other hand, you may know more than you're letting on, and slandering Imam Mohammed because your boss down there at the federal building, downtown, are paying you to spread the vicious venom that you are spewing out.

To add to the documentation of what I have presented so far concerning what happened at the dining table of T.H.E.M., my business partner, Imam Bashir Salaam, was the minister in Richmond, California during that period, and he bore witness to what I am telling you here today. He was one of the ministers present there at that meeting...so was Louis Farrakhan. It pays to read, my friend. In the Qur'aan, Allah exclaims; "Iqraa!!" (READ)

My purpose for bringing up this meeting is just to verify events that lead up to confirmation of Imam Mohammed's appointment to leadership of the then NOI community. The vote that you say Imam Mohammed falsely claims as being what brought him into leadership, was not a formal voting process at all as is the customary methodology. The informal vote came from the ministers who were present at the Saviour's Day Convention the following day, who simply showed their support for Imam Mohammed's assumption of leadership.

I am one of the members of the NOI that was present at that convention. So I witnessed the vote that you are refuting. Go figure! Those of us who were the true followers of T.H.E.M. already knew from the history that Master Wallace Fard Muhammad told Elijah that Wallace would be named after him (the child that Elijah Muhammad's wife, sister Clara Muhammad, still carried in her womb at the time), and that he would be his helper, a distinction that was not appointed to anyone else in the history. So we pretty much already knew who would be the new leader.

On your charge of Imam Mohammed being a pedophile because he married a young woman much younger than himself...I'd like to pose a question to you. Do you charge him with such a vicious slander because you are jealous? Imam Mohammed, after hearing of so many women who were appalled upon hearing of the Imam, and sister Khadijah's marriage, told them at jumuah during the Friday khutbah he delivered at the Convention preceeding their marriage that they must have been jealous because it wasn't one of them that he married. He also stressed to them that he didn't marry a child. Rather he married a mature, and intelligent woman whose mind was probably far superior to theirs. You are not one of those women, are you, brother?

I'm also wondering where you dug up Herbert as being the benefactor of the assets of this community. And it's really hilarious...the part where you called him one of the community's business managers. I can dispell that myth rather quickly. Once all the community businesses were closed down by Imam Mohammed, the concept of community business was history. The only businesses in the community are owned by individual members of the community. Where have you been? Hello!!!!

It appears that you don't know very much about business at all, or why Imam Mohammed disbanded the NOI businesses. Those businesses became liabilities to our poor community members, because it was draining them of financial resources. Some of the dishonest people who worked in, as well as the ones who ran these businesses were stealing from the profits that these businesses generated. I seen it with my own eyes, because I used to run one of the snack shops for Temple #26 in San Francisco. Again, you are speculating on something that you never witnessed. I am a living witness, brother. You want to dispute with me? Knock yourself out. I'm laying it out plainly where everyone can know the truth from the horses mouth as the old saying goes.

Since you speculated on all these other charges, there is no sense in discussing Imam Mohammed's family business as to what happened after his death. If you didn't know what you were talking about with those other issues, it's totally impossible for you to know Jack about his family matters.

This is what Allah promises for the slanderers:

Those who slander such of the believers as give themselves freely to (deeds of) charity, as well as such as can find nothing to give except the fruits of their labour,- and throw ridicule on them,- Allah will throw back their ridicule on them: and they shall have a grievous penalty.
( سورة التوبة , At-Taubah, Chapter #9, Verse #79)

Imam Mohammed dedicated all 75 years of his life to the devotion of Allah in serving this commiunity by giving his all. Only a person with a tainted heart would offer such heinous accusations of such a leader. Their mind would have to be still shackled in slavery, a throwback to when we were in chains being held against our will. Indeed their heart would have to be diseased.


And if you heard all this slanderous charges coming from someone else, and didn't manufacture the charges on your own, Allah asks you:

And why did ye not, when ye heard it, say? - "It is not right of us to speak of this: Glory to Allah! this is a most serious slander!"
( سورة النور , An-Noor, Chapter #24, Verse #16)

Seeing that they did reject Faith (entirely) before, and that they (continually) cast (slanders) on the unseen from a position far off?
( سورة سبأ , Saba, Chapter #34, Verse #53)

In other words, these are the true words (deeds) of a coward. Why didn't you say these things to Imam Mohammed to his face when he was alive? Why did you instead wait until he died, and then throw all these slanders out into the air (open)?

Allah says in the book:

Woe to every (kind of) scandal-monger and-backbiter,
( سورة الهمزة , Al-Humaza, Chapter #104, Verse #1)

Now for Mr. Watley...Peace to you, sir. I'm quite fascinated at your assertion that Al-Islam is an Arab religion...most interesting! Are you also of the opinion that Christianity is a religion of the Jews? We all know that this is not true, but what is the difference? Just as G_d gave the revelation to Muhammad, who happened to be an Arab, He also gave revelation to Jesus, who, (as they say) was a Jew! But...guess what? The Jews don't even recognize Jesus...period!!!

I am not certain of whether some street corner scientist gave you your information about Islam, or a cab driver, or you are just under an assumption based on someone else's opinion concerning the religion of Islam. Jesus was a European according to how he is presented in paintings, drawings, crucifixes, and other images which are, incidentally, forbidden in the bible. If you read the bible, you would know that it is sited numerous times where G_d forbids images of Himself. Read:

Exodus 20:4, Exodus 20:1-26, Acts 17:29, Leviticus 26:1, Deuteronomy 4:16-19, Exodus 20:5, Isaiah 44:15, Isaiah 42:8, Exodus 20:4-5, Romans 11:4, 2 Thessalonians 2:15 , 2 Chronicles 3:5-7,
Romans 11:19-22, Romans 2:6-8, John 20:19-24, Isaiah 2:12-17, Exodus 20:3, 2 Thessalonians 3:6, 1 Corinthians 11:1-2, 1 Samuel 24:8, Genesis 1:26, John 6:67-71, John 6:50-71, Matthew 9:6-8, 2 Thessalonians 2:14-15

The solution: To remove all racial images that attempt to portray the divine.

You are absolutely correct when you say that Islam is not the religion of the black man. Instead, it is the way of life of mankind. You see, sir...every human being that is born on this planet comes into the world in total submission to the will of G_d (Islam). When translated from the Arabic language, into English, this is what the word, Islam, means. If you ever noticed a Muslim in prostration during prayer, they appear as though they are in a fetal position. By the same token, if you look at the picture of a baby in it's mother's womb via a sonogram image, it is the same position. Again, if you read your bible, you would also know that Jesus, too, prostrated himself in prayer.

Since you think that Islam is an Arab religion, did you know that, by far, the largest Muslim population on the planet is in Indonesia? Did you also realize that Islam is one of the three major religions in the world (the other two being Christianity and Judaism)? Did you also know that Islam is said by analysts to be the fastest growing religion in the world, and that by the year 2015, half the population of the U.S. will be Muslim? Did you also realize that countries such as Great Britain, and Germany are almost completely populated by Muslims?

If Islam is an Arab religion, then why are so many caucasians converting to Islam, particularly in the state of Texas, a southern state? Oh!!! Before I forget (you're really not going to like this one either)...did you know that Arabs were African dark skinned people before the coming of Alexander from Greece who conquered most of the middle East nearly 500 centuries before Christ?

The one thing that we all have to take into consideration...before we were black, or white, or yellow, or brown, or red, or Christian, or Muslim, or Judaic, or whatever we claim to be, G_d created us as human beings first. We rant and rave about how prejudice the white man is. But when we get to the point where we are so black, that we'd rather for the whites of our eyes to be black...we'd rather for our teeth to be black...when we are so willing to be so black that we forget about our humanity, then we are just as prejudiced as they are. Of course they are not all that way, and nether are we. Getting back to what the good book (bible) says...it says "do unto others as you have have others to do unto you."

I'm also sorry about your confusion about not being able to distinquish that our community transitioned from the old teaching of the NOI to Islam proper with the rest of the over 1.5 billion Muslims all over the world. It appears that you should be asking more questions than giving half cocked answers about the Muslims. If you continue to make these assumptions, then we're going to think that now you're trying to interpret our religion for us. That's like a barber trying to tell a doctor how to practice medicine, or a Fuller brush man trying to tell a lawyer how to practice law. Doesn't make much sense to me. What about you, sir?

Hello Mr. Madyun,

Firstly, it is self evident that prophets are racially different because people are racially different. For instance, Arabian people are racially different from Jewish people, am I right. Likewise, Black Americans who are descendents of slaves and a new race of people is also racially different from Arabians and Jewish people. The understanding from this is that all the different races of people at one time or another could expect God to anoint them a prophet as God anointed an Arab prophet for the Arabian people and a Jewish prophet for the Jewish people.

All religions are given to each prophet by God to give to his people and that is how the Arabian people got Islam as a religion from Prophet Mustafa Mohammed. Likewise, Judaism was given to Prophet Abraham by God to give to the Jewish people. Since I am Black America's first genuine prophet God gave me the religion LIFE to give to my Black American people.

Every Black American religious leader prior to my anointing were all wrong because the fact of people being racially different must be respected.

You must understand that people (A) can not give people (B) religion. People (B) must get their religion the same way people (A) got their religion. Am I making any sense?

Tell me what you think.

Mr. A.B. Madyun has countered this demonicBlog Subject of Abdul-Malik Muhammad/siebraMuhammad ---with Truthful Islaamic Information based on his History, Scholarship and Life, with our brother Imam WarithDeen Muhammad(May Allaah Reward the Believers for their Faith) --- AlHamdullillaahi RabilAlaameen........

----for the Irreverent, Rude, Immoral nonIslaamic -- selfProfessed 68 IQ retarded selfAnnointed hisMind of harryONLY --- for the 61,214,578th time YOU write only NO sense, nonSense, Lunacy and no History, Scholarship or Science......

Hello Robert,

You are a real natural idiot. And, this is why I say that you are an idiot. You are an idiot because you have a different definition of what Scholarship, Science and History are then everybody else.
For example, everybody knows that racial diversity exists in mankind except you. It is a scientific fact that a Black American man is racially different from and Arabian man, but you say there aren't any racial differences. Then you accuse me of talking nonsense. Are you stupid?

this is the kind of blogSubject that biaReggieAdministrator allows?

mindless, obscene content attacks on a deceased man by siebraMalikmuhammad?

delete it!

cause other mindless obscenity is introduced by

selfProfessed 68 IQ harry!

Scholarship, Science and History have to be READ and UNDERSTOOD

biaCommentators WRITE on specific SUBJECTS

the SUBJECT of this blag is the immoral, irreverent and Retarded attack on a person who is deceased----

your comment above has nothing to do with what was Written or the SUBJECT...

OR

History, Scholarship and Science........

so again for the 61,214,579th time YOUR writing show NO comprehension of the subject or understanding of the commentators writings.....

you asked the question(out of subject---Am I making any sense?)

so yes, to me and MOST at BIA(based on History)

and your writing makes NO sense, nonSense, with History, Scholarship or Science....of probably MOST - if not ALL(less yourMind) of the Worlds' Population of 7 BILLION.

again noRead harry,

the subject is---not your Rudeness, self harry!

the subject is the attack against a deceased Believer of AlIslaam and the Sunnah of Mohamed(saw) and my brother, may Allaah reward the doers of good.........

I HAVE NEVER WHINED OR COMPLAINED to reggieAND kids----ABOUT youHarry...............!

so not only are you a pathetic in yourOWN mind mental issue; you are foulMouthed, unIntelligent, unScholarly and RUDE..writer on BIA -- no complaining JUST factssssssss...

Hello Robert,

Now that you know the truth that you would have to be an Arab for the Spirit of God to touch you when you are talking about Prophet Mohammed and the religion of Islam that God gave him specifically for the Arabian people only.

Likewise, if you're not a Jew the Spirit of God will not do anything for you through any of the Jewish prophets including famous Jesus.

Also, if you are not a Black American the Spirit of God will not touch you through Prophet Harry.

Another way you can understand what I am saying on is that in the story of Moses in the book of Exodus when the death Angel and did away with all the firstborn of men and animals noticed that you would have to have been a Jewish person to escape the wrath of the Death Angel and the Jewish people did so by painting lambs blood on the door posts and door header and the Death Angel passed over them, hence the celebration of the Passover only Jews celebrates this divine event because it happened only to them.

Likewise, the Arabian people celebrate the divine event of Ramadan because it happened only to them. And, anyone that is not a real ethnic Arab and celebrates Ramadan is a damned fool.

Black Americans will soon have something divine to celebrate and that is going to me our resurrection from mental dead and our country and sovereignty. This is something that is going to happen for us Black Americans only and if you're not a Black American and celebrate our divine celebration is utterly stupid.

In other words, divinely and spiritually speaking race is important because the Spirit of God is dwelling in that race and that is why race matters.

You must give up Islam and Prophet Mohammed and embrace me Prophet Harry and learning in your new religion LIFE.

again selfProfessed 68IQ harry OR just noRead harry,

the subject of this blag --- is---not your Rudeness, nonsenseHarry!

but---the subject is the attack against a deceased Believer of AlIslaam and the Sunnah of Mohamed(saw) and my brother, may Allaah reward the doers of good.........

for the 6,211,333rd time I WOULD EMBRACE the writer of the harryNonSense pagan colorWorship and take him to bellviewHospital-- or its equivalent in NorthCarolina....

IT HAS BEEN LOOOOOOONG OVER-DUE THAT THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH BE SPOKEN ABOUT THIS MASTER HYPOCRITE WALLACE (DEVIL) MUHAMMAD. ALL PRAISE IS DUE TO ALLAH FOR PUTTIN SISTA SIEBRA ON THIS EARTH TO KEEP THE TRUTH ALIVE AND WELL AND SQUARE IN THE FACE OF ALL THE IGNORANT ASS NEGROE SAVAGES WHO DISPUTE WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE !1 GO HEAD SISTA !! DEXTER POINT GOT CHO BACK !! LONG LIVE MUHAMMAD. MUCH LOVE FRUM A DETROIT WARRIOR-SOLDIER-SCHOLAR.

AGAIN...SISTA SIEBRA SPEAKS RAW NEEDED TRUTH TO THE DEAD ASS NEGRO SAVAGES FACE !!
I GOT CHA BACK SISTA !! LET A n*gga MAKE A MOVE AND IT'S AUTOMATIC JI-HAAD UP IN THIS PIECE !! BIG LOVE OUTA DETROIT. FUUCK WALLACE D !! LONG LIVE ISLAM !!

Mr. Nat,

You are a very stupid man to say that Siebra is speaking the truth. Siebra is a Black American woman, but sucks-up behind the Arabian people and their Islamic religion am I right.

If Siebra was intelligent she would know that since she is not an Arab woman her prophet should be a Black American as she is. Siebra’s prophet is Prophet Harry.

Siebra’s religion should be a Black American religion and not an Arab Islamic religion. Prophet Harry’s religion id LIFE and it means resurrection.

After reading what I just said you have an opportunity to want more of my light or continue on the dark path the Siebra is on because you know what I just said is true.

I am Black America’s first genuine prophet and we are going to become a sovereign people in a country of our own right here on this continent in my life-time. God is constantly in touch with me, Mr. Nat.

ATTENTION TO ALL NEGROES, HANKERCHIEF HEADS, BUCK DANCING, BOOTY SCRATCHING ...WALLACE (DEVIL) LOVING PUNK MUU****AS : I AM NEVER ASHAMED OF SPEAKING MY HEART. TRUTH IS ONLY UPSETTING TO LYING ASS n*ggaS AND THE MENTALLY DEAD (WHO TEND TO BE ONE AND THE SAME). I SAID THEN...I SAY NOW..AND I WILL CONTINUE TO SAY FOR THE REST OF MY DAYS : F-U-C-K WALLACE DEVIL !! ANY MAN WHO WILL DESTROY HIS OWN FATHER'S WORK...IS A DEVIL FA REAL. GET AT ME ALL YALL***IT ASS WALLAACE LOVERS !! (DUCEZ)

Mr. Nat,

I said once and I will say it again you are extremely stupid. Your stupid argument is that W.D. Muhammad destroyed the NOI that Elijah established and you claim that you stand for truth.

Both Elijah and his son WD Muhammad were wrong and greatly mis-leading Black Americans into the Arabian Islamic religion.

Nat don’t you understand that Black Americans who are descendents of plantation slaves are not Arab people. And therefore, both Elijah and Wrath D. Muhammad were wrong.

So, your emotional out burst against WD Muhammad is stupid. Elijah was an ignorant man. Mr. Fard and Elijah Muhammad did not good for us Black Americans because we are still in the same condition as we were in when they were alive.

NatZ turner?????

pleaseSiebra bsSweetIrma

------ it is obvious the the bs "nat. z. turner' HAS more to do with writing RUDE, FILTHY, NEGRO-GHETTO, unCILIVILZED -------racistIGNORANCE----- for a "germanNatz" jewishPublic.....

----- the cowardice of the triflingSiebra and Author of NatZ and this de*****aTION of of a great American
----May Allaah Reward the doers of good-- Imam Warith Deen Muhammad.

To: Siebra Muhammad

Would you please direct us to where we can see an original copy of this alleged letter you claim that T.H.E.M. wrote to his son, please. I'm not here for any name calling. If anyone wants to call me a negative name, that's fine with me. We had an old saying that I remember as a youngster. That old saying was; 'Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names can never hurt me." There was a lot of wisdom in that old saying. You see...no one can define who, or what I am but G_d. I'm a duly proportioned adult, and I can handle another person's immaturity. If all a person has to retaliate on disagreements, that's called small mindedness. Lots of people have that problem. I don't. But meanwhile, back at the ranch, please lead us to an original copy of this so-called letter. Otherwise. your charge loses credibility big time...OK?

Hello Mr. A.B.

It is not sticks and stones when I say that Elijah Muhammad and his Wrath D. Muhammad were ignorant men.

They were ignorant because they were Black Americans men, but sucked-up and allowed the Arabian people to lead them around am I right.

You all read out of the Arabian Quran, but nothing in the Quran says anything about Black Americans. In fact, the entire contents of the Quran is about the Arabian people.

All of what the Arabian people have we have it now. The Arabian people have a prophet and Black America has a prophet as well. We Black Americans will soon be writing our Quran/Bible like religious.

You Mr. A.B. needs to wake because you are ignorant thinking that you are an Arabian man. Mr. Farrakhan is a very dumb and ignorant man as well following behind Elijah all these years.

So, what I am saying is not sticks and stones. What I am saying truth and I’ve back it up.

Brother Madyun, the letter in question was forwarded to me through an email from the Seventh Family discussion boards back in 2004. It is tittled "Letter From Messenger" and posted By Minister Saleem Shah. I copied it as it was to read for myself, and felt that I should share this with the community so we can see Wallace for the hypocrite that he really is.

Let me say I found this letter to be very enlightening; not only from a spiritual standpoint, but from a physical standpoint as well. As a daughter, I could never imagine being against my father (at this large of scale). All children don't agree with what their parents try to teach them, especially at first. Yet, I could not find it in my heart to actually be against my father publicly in a way like Wallace was against his father. I don't have any children, however I would never want to have to experience having my child(ren) turn against me. It would likely be emotionally confusing to say the least.

For the followers and advocators of Wallace, I have two question (in regards to the letter): How can you in your right mind support Wallace after reading this letter from his father Elijah? And how can you support a "positive" image or memory of Wallace after hearing (reading) the words from the Messenger's own mouth (that is, if you actually read the entire letter)?

ONCE AGAIN, SISTA SIEBRA HAS KICKED ALL YALL HANKERCHIEF-HEAD n*ggaS IN THE BRAIN PIECE. GO HEAD, SISTA !! SPEAK TRUTH NOT ONLY TO POWER...BUT TO SAVAGE ASS NEGROES AS WELL. AND TO SLAVE ASS HARRY....I BET YOU WOULDN'T DARE COME OUT OF YOUR PUNK ASS...***IT ASS MOUTH TO ME LIKE THAT ON THE STREET. COME TO DETROIT..AND I PROMISE YOU WONT MAKE IT BACK HOME.

LONG LIVE ISLAM !!!!

Hello to all,

Supposing Elijah was wrong, period. You all are saying that it is not possible that Elijah could be wrong. Who the hell was Elijah that he can’t be wrong?

Wallace did not believe Mr. Rard was God. And so, that automatically means that Wallace is a hypocrite? You all are stupid thinking people. You need to weigh it out. Analytically weigh it out.

Elijah said in Supreme Wisdom that Mr. Fard said the White man would not land on the moon, but he did and you all make all sort of reasons to discredit the White man’s achievement

Elijah said the White race was graded on the isle of Patmos, but that is where the Romans send their prisons.

Elijah said the moon was once part of the earth and some imaginary big-head scientist name Yacub blow the earth and moon apart, but the samples brought back from the moon show that the moon was not a part of earth. There is no evidence o a Yacub ever in history. You all just believe everything Elijah said and Elijah was never Black America’s first genuine prophet. Elijah was nothing.

So why is Wallace a hypocrite because he believe his father to be wrong?

We know that Elijah was wrong about everything because we are still in the same condition today as when Elijah was alive. You all are some stupid people.

Mr. Fard Muhammad was a foreigner to Elijah. Elijah was a Black American like we are, but Mr. Fard was not a Black American as we are. No other race is to lead us Black Americans to God, but another Black American anointed by God as our genuine prophet. Likewise, no one, but an Arab man led the Arabian to Allah/God and that man was Prophet Mohammed. Farrakhan and all of you are stupid people.

There is on science, logic and analytical reasoning in the NOI.

Siebra Muhammad...I'm afraid that an email is not the same as original. As much as you would like for this letter to be authentic, I'm afraid that this doesn't qualify as being an authentic piece of information. Authenticity is necessary in order to clear the person whom you are slandering if what you say is not the truth. But if it is the truth, then it is more than enough evidence to substantiate your claim. Here is what Allah says in our holy book, Al Qur'an concerning slandering the good name of a person, be they a believer or not, and concerning the ascertaining of the truth:

And why did ye not, when ye heard it, say? - "It is not right of us to speak of this: Glory to Allah! this is a most serious slander!"
( سورة النور , An-Noor, Chapter #24, Verse #16)

O ye who believe! If a wicked person comes to you with any news, ascertain the truth, lest ye harm people unwittingly, and afterwards become full of repentance for what ye have done.
( سورة الحجرات , Al-Hujraat, Chapter #49, Verse #6)

Second hand information is only hearsay. The truth is only attained through a reliable source. Who is Minister Saleem Shah? I have never heard of him. He must be one of the ministers from the "made-up" version of the Nation of Islam. You see, sister...I am one of the original soldiers from the real Natiopn of Islam, and we served under the Hon Elijah Muhammad. So I can tell you first hand that you have been had by this Minister Salim Shah fellow. He is parroting poison that some other scandle mongerer spewed to him.

It really doesn't make much sense to argue that which you were not there to witness first hand. I know that you want to believe so badly that Imam Mohammed was a hypocrite and a pedophile very badly, but the truth of the matter lies in my previous offering that I myself submitted Aug 5 2012. In it I let everyone know what the Hon Elijah Muhammad told all of his ministers who sat at the dinner table with him concerning his son that his son could take what he was teaching anywhere. Minister Farrakhan was present at that meeting as was all the rest of his ministers.

Some of our people will gopher anything, whether it is fried ice cream, boiled cake, or baked bubble gum.

Allah says in the Qur'an about the gophers:

O Messenger! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say "We believe" with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will listen to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee. They change the words from their (right) times and places: they say, "If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware!" If any one's trial is intended by Allah, thou hast no authority in the least for him against Allah. For such - it is not Allah's will to purify their hearts. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #41)

Now, concerning Imam Mohammed's marriage to Khadijah Siddiq...in order for him to be considered a pedophile, Khadijah would have had to be considered under age. In other words, she would have had to have been under the age of 18. 18 is considered to be the age of maturity for most women, although age is not as important as maturity. Sister Khadijah was 19 years of age, and she and her father, Imam Muhammad Siddiq, as did Imam Mohammed, consent for the two of them to be married. They were both considered as adults. Where is the problem?

Perhaps you were jealous because he didn't pick you? He told all the women who had a problem with him marrying a young wife that they must have been jealous because it was not one of them. Had it not been for Khadijah becoming his wife, maybe it would have been one of them...maybe even you...who knows?

As for the "so-called" men who have a problem with Imam Mohammed's marriage to a young wife, perhaps you are also jealous. Well...he is sorry about that too. The Imam didn't do homos*xuals...he was heteros*xual...thank you very much!!! LOL

BTW...Does anyone have any idea of what someone by the name of Harry Watley is talking about? An unlearned man might say anything just to hear himself talk!!! LOL

"...We want to thank the Chicago white people from making it possible for us
to obtain the Country Club. For making it possible for us to get in such
position where we can prove ourselves worthy of position. We thank them.
They have did us a great favor. I don’t think that we have nothing to do
but to honor and thank them for putting us in such position. This is
their house and we are here teaching the truth. They are not objecting to
you teaching the truth. As we have white Muslims in America. And lots of
them. We have them all over the world. And they recognize and respect
you. You must recognize and respect them.

You don’t disrespect people that is trying to respect you. I remember the
last time that I was out to the airport. They let me and my followers get
on first. Now remember that their flag is still flying over America.
Honor and respect the man. Because he still has his flag.

There is much that can be interchanged between them and us in that way of
respect. We don’t have to get up to try to make fun of them just because
you have learned yourself. And now you have learned them. Just remember
that they show you respect after you have learned yourself. Show them
respect them too! Because when you didn’t know yourself, you didn’t
respect self nor anyone else.

We used to disgrace ourselves and them too. Because we didn’t know
ourself. But now we respect ourselves and we respect them. Praise be to
Allah! If you go out there disrespecting the owner of this land…they
are the owners as long as they are in power…I think you will be showing
disrespect for the high honor that has been conferred on you and me by
God. You have to respect everybody. And everybody will respect you.

God give way to them to rule. Then you’re honoring their ruler. As long
as they are in power to rule, then respect them. This I mean from my
heart. Every where we go, respect people and people will respect you.
Don’t think that you are so great now just because God promised you the
Kingdom. Wait ’til you get in it..."

From: 1974 Saviour’s Day
Messenger Elijah Muhammad’s Last Sermon

1979-October-5

Bilalian News

Towards Economic Dignity: Part 1

Imam W. Deen Muhammad



(Editor's note: Following are excerpts from Imam Wallace Deen Muhammad's address at a Testimonial Dinner presented in his honor in the Regency Ballroom of the Hyatt Regency Chicago, Sept. 15,1979.)

With the Name Allah — that is God — most Gracious, most Compassionate; praise be to God the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds.

Distinguished guests, brothers and sisters in Al-Islam and other religions, friends who have come here tonight, we are grateful to you for your presence. After all of those inspiring and kind words that have been paid to me, I have nothing to say but I have not earned them. Our community has earned them.

It began with a stranger who came with a strange and mystical philosophy or theology and encouraged the Honorable Elijah Muhammad to accept to lead a people nobody else could lead. A people who could not make the grade in the elementary and secondary schools, not to think of the higher education this land offers its citizens.

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad had the faith in himself and in his new black theology to lead his people to self reliance, and because of him I am here with courageous vision.

Some people call me a fool for having so much faith in human beings but it's because the Honorable Elijah Muhammad exhibited that kind of faith and courage before me.

Though he represented a philosophy that I myself have grown out of and discarded, he left so many positive things with me and with us that I must share tonight's tribute with the Honorable Elijah Muhammad. We thank God.

And I am happy to have here, the Champion of the World (Muhammad Ali), a man I admire for more than his boxing skills.

I don't think many people know him as I know him. I have spent a lot of time with him and I do believe that our champion one day is going to be a human leader — leading human beings toward better understanding, toward justice, more togetherness.

This man has suffered since he was a young boy because he hasn't understood the justice in our society.

Justice is improving, Muhammad. We're coming closer and closer to the kind of justice we all need in this society. No matter how bad things may look through the eyes of the politician or the banker — believe me, I'm looking through different eyes -- things are getting real good in America.

Men who reject the evils in the world and refuse to step on the stage until it's clean and made right — those men, when they do come forward, make true leaders. I believe Muhammad Ah" is that kind of man and one day he'll come forward.

We have a headline on our latest issue of Bilalian News (Sept. 28, 1979) that states our community is reentering the economic program of our late leader, the Honorable Elijah Muhammad.

We are doing it simply because we feel we are morally, spiritually, and humanly strong enough to do it.

I don't believe any people without correct moral human vision should try to get too much wealth in this country because it will end up in bloodshed.

But I believe my community is morally and spiritually strong enough and humanly sane enough now to go in and do things in a big way like the courageous leader we had in the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, whose vision was bigger than that of America.

I believe the Honorable Elijah Muhammad knew we couldn't achieve all the things he invited us to take up. He wanted to shock us, to shock our minds and bring us to grips with our problems and to give us big imaginations.

Our success or the success of any individual depends on the ability to imagine. If you have small imagining ability, you're not going to do very much.
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The Honorable Elijah Muhammad imagined great things happening in America among our people and that's what we want to get back to. I believe we can enter a program of collective buying — goods from American manufacturers and from abroad if necessary — and use our consumer power, our buying power, to improve our conditions and offset inflation in Bilalian communities.

(To be continued)

ARTICLE INDEX
©MUSLIM JOURNAL, THE MOSQUE CARES, W.D.M. PUBLICATIONS & NEWAFRICARADIO

1979-October-12

Bilalian News

Towards Economic Dignity: Part 2

Imam W. Deen Muhammad



(Editor's note: Following are excerpts from Imam Wallace Deen Muhammad's address at a Testimonial Dinner presented in his honor in the Regency Ballroom of the Hyatt Regency Chicago, Sept. 15, 1979 — continued from last week.)

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad imagined great things happening in America among our people and that's what we want to get back to. I believe we can enter a program of collective buying — goods from American manufacturers and from abroad if necessary — and use our consumer power, our buying power, to improve our conditions and offset inflation in Bilalian communities.

Now I'm a big talker and a big dreamer. Some say I have too much faith in people, but I don't think so. With the high ideals we have, American society should be the ideal society. The reason it can't be that is because we don't have enough faith in the individual — I mean faith in the individual without academic dignity.

If the man has no more than the will to live and the will to be good, we should respect that and cultivate the best in that person. That's the way you improve the quality of life, by improving the quality of human minds. The only way we are going to do that is to respect the fact that there is value in every human being and in every human mind — that every human mind has the same richness, the same potential. All we have to do is find a way to reach it.

Once you believe in yourself and believe in a cause, you can do wonders. It's a simple matter of working together as a community and practicing the disciplines of communal living as a phase — a temporary phase. If we can follow this for two years or 10 years, once we see we can phase that out and establish individual businessmen in our community, there will be no more communalism. We will return to the American way without any questions.

I think we have to separate temporarily from the American way and buy collectively and use our spending money, our spending power, to enrich our community and offset inflation.

Inflation is taking too much away, there is not enough anywhere to make life comfortable for us. I have people telling me, "Brother Imam, we are tired of it.''

I tell them "I am tired of it too."

"What can we do about it?"

We can buy collectively. We can get together and buy collectively!

In March of next year, we will buy suits. We will buy them all together and the women will buy dresses. Next, we will buy shoes. Next, we will buy appliances. Next, we will buy homes, and we will buy together until we can have the kind of American life we want.

I have gained great insight and encouragement from talking to people in the State Department, from Mr. Harold Jones of OMB I here in Chicago, and from many others in and out of government. I do know that it is time in America, if not for political revolution, it is definitely time for an economic revolution in the way we think in the ghetto, the way we behave with our money.

Dear people, we have to come out of this. There are no jobs to bring us out of it. There are no gifts coming to bring us out of it. The only way I know for us to come out of it is to go back to the program of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad and use our collective power -our collective bargaining power.

We don't have much, but we do buy. Let's use that buying power to get some economic dignity in America and in time we will have the American way in the ghetto!

As-Salaam-Alaikum

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Hello Mr. A.B.

Did you know before speaking with me that it is true that prophets are racially different and am I unlearned to reveal this very important truth to you? And, do you know the significance of why prophets are racially different?

Did you know before learning from me that the Quran is exclusively the of the Arabian people and their experience with God through their very own Prophet Mustafa Mohammed and therefore you as a Black American can draw any spiritual wisdom from the Quran.
Analytically reasoning you should know that the same way that spiritual wisdom and guidance came to the Arabian people through their very own Prophet Mohammed it must happen the same way for us Black Americans as well. We must have a prophet of our own as well to connect to God am I right.

Did not spiritual wisdom and guidance come to the Children of Israel through Moses who was one of their very own? So, why would you say that I am unlearned when I say that spiritual wisdom and guidance from God must come to us Black Americans in the same manner?

Why do you fault me when I say that Elijah was wrong from the very beginning since he was raised by an Arabian foreigner Mr. Fard Muhammad? Isn’t that out of order?

Did anyone hear something like some wind blowing from somewhere? LOL

Maybe it's just my imagination!!!! LOL

Hello Mr. A.B.,

You surprise me to have eloquently and intelligently admonished Siebra for her slandering of W.D. Muhammad and I was impressed.

But, now you have made a 180 degree turn around when I confront you with wisdom and analytical reasoning and call you can do is act like a jerk.

I asked a legitimate question is prophets racially different and you know they are and you know that it means you can’t no longer want to be and act as though you are an Arab man am I right.

There is on honesty in you now that you have met me. I am Black America’s first genuine prophet and everything I say is going to happen for us Black Americans.

A.B. Maydun, I have a suggestion...go back to school and take you a refresher course on analytical reasoning before you attempt to debate with mature people. The more you open your mouth the dumber you show yourself to be. What I am sharing with you in regards to Wallace has absolutely nothing to do with jealousy, or the fact that he didn't pick me as a wife.

Also, what do you need an original copy of the letter for? What, you can't READ? I'm talking about what is FACT and not something I just made up, so don't come to me with this original copy B.S. for one. And I'm gonna tell you right now...don't even think about trying to launch a personal attack on me for what's being shared.

Negroes like you love and protect people like Wallace who lie to you, and mind F*^k you. Negroes like you want to elevate this man (Wallace) over his own father and teacher (Elijah, who has done great things for the upliftment of the Black consciousness).

Wallace was a damn hypocrite. Plain and simple. Wallace used to hold secret meetings to separate the disbelievers from the real believers, but he was in fact an agent for the enemy.

It is what it is...period. You don't wanna listen to people like Abdul and I because we're stepping on your toes. Wallace served as an adversary to the Black Revolution and uprising of the Black Race. Wallace cannot be respected like Elijah Muhammad.

Siebra Muhammad...Wrong again!!!! Who opened their mouth to say anything? This is a typed discussion. As far as your insults...well, that's how ignorant people respond when they don't have anything intelligent to respond with. It's like you ran out of ammunition. Duh!!! No matter how hard you try to push this W. Deen Mohammed being a hypocrite vomit, stop wasting your time. No matter how hard you want this crap to be truth, you are talking to a living witness, and it doesn't matter a bit that you don't believe any of what I am bringing to this discussion. You are here to argue. I'm here to state facts. What you don't believe means nothing to anyone but you. It ain't about any personalities anyway. Personalities do not hold our destinies in their hands. They can't get you into the jannah. It's about the history, the message, and how we fit in as a people...how we will or won't advance as a legitimate people based on our capacities to accept reason. Allah never intended all of us to understand our destinies. Sometimes it turns out to be a little too complex for some folks. Notice I did not say n*ggas. I saidu folk. You see...I'm a little bit too sophisticated to sling insults at insignificance.

Siebra Muhammad...Allah knows best, so whatever floats your boat, sister. If you are happy getting your information cab driver style from unqualified people who buy boiled cake, I'm happy if you're happy? :7)
Wednesday, April 17th 2013 at 12:33PM

Siebra Muhammad...Muhammad is a Muslim name, and the name, Muhammad is in the Qur'an. But I have not seen where you have written one sentence that pertains to Qur'an, which is the law, and guide for all Muslims. The Hon Elijah Muhammad taught us to always hold it up high (in standard). If you don't hear from me anymore, it ain't because I gave up. Rather, it's because I never should have got started dialoging with unknowledgeable, and ignorant people. It's a waste of my time, and Allah is my witness that I told you the truth. Like Allah told the prophets in the Qur'an, why lament over a people who will not listen? He told them that He only commissioned them to deliver the message clearly. He told them after that to leave them to Him, and He will deal with them. My Iman is strong in trusting in Allah's promise. How about you? FYI...ignorant means lack of knowledge. "...and say to the ignorant, peace." ~HQ, 25:63

A.B. Maydun you refuse to get it. you have to be the most stupidest person in this post, I think you took over Harry's spot as the number one dumb ass and that was very hard to do because Harry is a REAL dumb ass....Again brother LEARN MATH BEFORE YOU MAKE DUMB STATEMENTS....You are like a person coming to a fight with cotton candy instead of using your fists.

Wallace was a man who had totally disrespect for his father for many years, and you negroes praise him day and night for it, but who taught Wallace? Who made Wallace? Did Wallace make himself? Did Wallace teach you the TRUTH about your history, your culture, your God?

No other leader in the NOI history did the foul things Wallace did. BEFORE ITS SAID AND DONE, YOU WILL ALL AGREE WITH ABDUL AND I BECAUSE WE ARE TELLING THE TRUTH.

To Siebra Muhammad:

Islamic Belief and Ideology

W. Deen Mohammad wrote over 30 books, delivered over 2000 lectures at Universities, Masajid, Churches etc. Almost all of his over 2000 lectures, were archived in the Muslim Journal Newspaper and almost all of his audio discs and DVDs are available for purchase or study. His greatest wish was to complete a translation and tafsir (explanation) of the Qur'an, and to do a Commentary on the Bible.[citation needed] In an address which he delivered on September 10, 1978, in Atlanta, Georgia he expressed his desire to write a comparison of the Bible and the Qur'an and to work with educators in the Muslim community on a Social Science text book for all grade levels - kindergarten through high School. On December 17–19, 1999 He began holding sessions during Ramadan to expound on his unique Qur'anic tafsir (commentary). His three day Ramadan Sessions drew thousands.

Warith Deen Mohammed
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How many followers do you have? Did you read the above text from The Hon Elijah Muhammad's Feb 26 1974 Savior's Day speech that he delivered to a throng of thousands? You are not on this page to represent anything about the Hon Elijah Muhammad. You certainly don't express any of Minister Farrakhan's sentiments on the subject. Who are you following, sister...J Edgar? You must be on his payroll. That's the only reason why I can see that anyone would be on this page spitting out the same nonsense that you are.

Only very small minded, and ignorant people employ negative name calling when engaged in disagreements with others. It certainly does not show the intelligence that the Hon Elijah Muhammad demanded from his followers. So I'm really interested to know who do you really represent, because you do not come close to representing the ideals that Messenger Muhammad always displayed even to the white man. He taught us to be intelligent. But it's understandable that most of our people are incorrigible.

BTW...The DUMB statements that you claim that I made are DUMB to you because you don't have a rabbit's clue of what I'm talking about anyway. It's pretty evident, since you don't even reflect any of the ideology of the Hon Elijah Muhammad either. I can assure you that if he was alive today, and he saw the manner in which you are claiming to defend his honor (which is not under attack from his son, Imam Mohammed in the first place) he would most certainlyrecommend that you didn't even bother.

To Siebra Muhammad:

Imam W. Deen Mohammed: Honors

In 1975 he led the largest mass conversion to Islam in the history of the United States of America, when he led the Lost Found Nation of Islam in the West to mainstream Islam.[124]
On October 30, 1977 He received the Key to the city of Detroit, Michigan from the then Mayor of Detroit Coleman Young, along with a Proclamation declaring October 30, 1977 Wallace D. Muhammad Day in Detroit.[63]
Selected by Ebony Magazine as one of its 100 Most Influential Black Americans in 2002.[125]
On February 26, 2010, Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm, Wayne County Executive Robert Ficano, and Mayor Bing of Detroit issued proclamations marking February 26 as Imam Warith Deen Mohammed Day.[citation needed]
Walter P. Reuther Humanitarian Award[citation needed]
1992, 1993 - President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt honored Warith Deen Mohammed with "The Gold Medal of Recognition" for his religious work in the United States.[126]
1994 - Cup of Compassion award from Hartford Seminary in Hartford, Connecticut on December 9, 1994[citation needed]
1997 - Focolare Movement "Luminosa Award for Unity"[127]
1999 - United States Department of State: Certificate of Appreciation, awarded on May 17, 1999[128]
2003 - Mohammed received an Honorary Doctorate degree from the Internet Islamic University in New York City[citation needed]
2003 - Sojourner-Douglass College in Baltimore, Maryland awarded him an Honorary Doctorate in Humane Letters[citation needed]
2005 - Council of American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) Leadership Award[citation needed]
In eulogizing Warith Deen Mohammed on CNN blogs, Ahmed Rehab Executive Director of CAIR-Chicago, called him "America's Imam."[7]

Publications

Books authored by Imam W. D. Muhammad

The Teachings of W. D. Muhammad, Muhammad's Mosque #2, Chicago, Illinois, 1975
The Lectures of Emam W. D. Muhammad, Muhammad's Mosque #2, Chicago, Illinois, 1976
Book of Muslim Names, The Honorable Elijah Muhammad Mosque #2, Chicago, Illinois, February 1976
The Man and the Woman in Islam, The Honorable Elijah Muhammad Mosque #2, Chicago, Illinois, February 1976
As the Light Shineth from the East, W.D.M. Publications, Chicago, Illinois, 1980
Prayer and Al-Islam, Muhammad Islamic Foundation, Chicago, Illinois, 1982, Library of Congress Card Number: 82-61077
Religion on the Line, W.D.M. Publications, Chicago, Illinois, 1983
Imam W. Deen Muhammad speaks from Harlem, N.Y. Book 1, W. D. M. Publications, 1984
Imam W. Deen Muhammad speaks from Harlem, N.Y.: Challenges That Face Man Today Book 2, 1985
Meeting The Challenge: Halal Foods for Our Everyday Needs, The Honorable Elijah Muhammad Masjid, Chicago, Illinois, 1986
An African American Genesis, M.A.C.A. Publication Fund, Chicago, Illinois, 1986, Library of Congress Card Number: 86-63266
Focus on Al-Islam: Interviews with Imam W. Deen Mohammed, Zakat Publications, Chicago, Illinois, Dec. 1988, Library of Congress Card Number: 89-090728
Al-Islam: Unity, and Leadership, The Sense Maker, Chicago, Illinois, 1991, Library of Congress Card Number: 91-061449, ISBN 1-879698-00-5
Worst Oppression Is False Worship "The Key Is Tauheed-Oneness of Allah," W.D.M. Publications, Chicago, Illinois, 1991
Growth for a Model Community in America, W.D.M. Publications, Chicago, Illinois, 1995
Islam's Climate for Business Success, The Sense Maker, Chicago, Illinois, 1995, Library of Congress Card Number: 95-071105, ISBN 1-879698-01-3
Mohammed Speaks, W.D.M. Publications, Chicago, Illinois, 1999
Blessed Ramadan - The Fast of Ramadan
Plans for a Better Future: Peace, Inclusion and International Brotherhood
The Schemes Of Satan the Enemy of Man
The Champion We Have In Common: The Dynamic African American Soul Books 1, 2, 3, & 4, The Mosque Cares Publications, August 2005
A Time for Greater Communities Vol. 1-4
Securing our Share of Freedom
Prayer in al-Islam, A Learner's Guide w/Instructional CD, WDM Publications, Chicago, Illinois, 2007
Return to Innocence: Transitioning of the Nation of Islam, The Sense Maker, Chicago, Illinois, 2007
Life The Final Battlefield, W.D.M. Publications, Chicago, Illinois, 2008
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A Look At W. Deen Mohammed: Muslim American Spokesman for Human Salvation, A Ministry of W. Deen Mohammed Publication, Chicago, Illinois, 1993

Video and audio presentations

Imam W. Deen Mohammed: "Systems of Knowledge", Muslim News Magazine, recorded as a television special by MNM during the 1994 Islamic Convention in Washington, DC. This classroom lecture was delivered in front of more than 200 Imams and scholars at the Renaissance Hotel. "Systems of Knowledge" is a classroom presentation on the essence of Quranic Arabic and its meaning to all mankind. This presentation marked the only time that Imam Mohammed allowed cameras into one of his private Imam classes. RT: 60 minutes. 1994.

Warith Deen Mohammed
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Most of our people (not all of them) are too small minded to see the real value of Imam Mohammed's leadership. Minister Farrakhan tol his followers that he didn't have the answers for the black man's salvation. He told them that Imam Mohammed was his Imam. Together, even with the differences of theological philosophies, these two men changed the face of America in gaining respect for our community. Yet there are African Americans that would distort their relationships in order to satisfy stupid appetites bent on promoting perpetual confusion. They are enemies not only to their own communities, but also to humanity.

We are to stop seeing ourselves as separate from humanity. Allah tells us in the Qur'an:

O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).
(H.Q., Al-Hujraat, 49:13)

Be you Christian Jew, Muslim, Black Muslim, Hindu...whatever your claim to fame, our progress into the future cannot be achieved without the cooperation of all distinctions. In Allah's creation he gives us signs to guide us. These signs are in direct parallel with everything that we see that is related in some way. When we look at the bee, and how they cooperate with one another to produce. They don't waste time arguing with each other. Allah has placed this productivity in the ant as a sign for man. Are you able to reflect Allah's signs, or would you rather reject them to the wayside?

"'(I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me.
(H.Q., Aal-e-Imran, 3:50)

If their spurning is hard on thy mind, yet if thou wert able to seek a tunnel in the ground or a ladder to the skies and bring them a sign,- (what good?). If it were Allah's will, He could gather them together unto true guidance: so be not thou amongst those who are swayed by ignorance (and impatience)!
(H.Q., Al-Anaam, 6:35)

Siebra Muhammad...Would you like to tell me your interpretation of why The Hon Elijah Muhammad told us to always keep a Qur'an in our possessions even though he never encouraged us to read it? While you're pondering over that, I'd like to offer to you what he told us (his followers). He told us that his job was only to clean us up, and not to teach us the religion. It was his job to only introduce us to the religion of Islam. He told us that one would come after him who would teach us the religion, and that we would be taught from a new book. Do you wonder what that new book would be? He did not teach us from the Qur'an. He taught us from the bible. Yet he told us himself that the bible was a poison book. Why do you suppose that he did that? You see, sister...the Hon Elijah Muhammad was a very wise man that knew his people very well. He knew the sad condition that the so-called Lost Found negro was in at that time. He knew that since Lazarus was in the dark, in order for him to come out of the dark, he would have to bring him out slowly using the same darkness that he was familiar with. He (THEM) told us that that one who would teach us the religion...that he would not be worthy enough to tie his shoe laces. He said these words out of his humbleness because he knew the history. When we all came in as new converts to the NOI, we were taught the history from Elijah. He told us how Master Fard Muhammad wrote the name of Wallace on the back of Elijah and sister Clara's bedroom door while sister Clara was still carrying her soon to be seventh born child, a son, in her womb. He told them that he wanted them to name their son after his name, and that Wallace would be the one who would be his helper. None of the other children received that distinction. Why do you suppose that is? So all of this talk about Wallace being a hypocrite, and all this other mu-sick carries no credibility whatsoever. This is not information from Joe blow, or Minister Shah, or any other sooth sayer. This is the word that comes from The Hon Elijah Muhammad himself, the man whom we referred to as the lamb. Do you have any more information that is contrary to that? Feel free to spit it out and waste more time trying to mislead. You were probably not even born yet during the time that Elijah directly taught us himself.

Siebra Muhammad...The Hon Elijah Muhammad equated teaching us the religion would be like trying to feed meet to an infant. An infant does not have the system to digest meat as we adults do. The baby doesn't even have the teeth to masticate it properly, so it would virtually choke the baby, and the baby most likely will die. The Hon Elijah Muhammad was a wise man, and we never heard him teaching any of this ignorance that I have seen displayed on this page. This is nothing more than a slander, and an insult to him. You think you are talking bad about Wallace, but he told his Ministers before he passed away that if they did not follow his son's leadership, then they were not following him.

Did you know that some of the Hon Elijah Muhammad's ministers had taken him to Mexico while he was suffering with poor health just before he passed, and that Wallace had to go and get his father offering threats to any one of those ministers who thought they would dare to stop him from taking his father back home. Those ministers were ambitious for position, and they couldn't wait until the Hon Elijah Muhammad had passed away so that they could fight over the spoils (so they thought). Does this sound like a man who hated his father? Wallace and his father only differed over theology...nothing more. THEM loved his son, and his son alike loved him equally. The history was already set in place, and when Allah deems a thing to hjappen, He simply says "BE," and it is. So I say bring your best. But I can assure you that it can't be anymore than a bunch of empty words.

Siebra Muhammad...Tell me which carries the most weight...documentation, or a bunch of empty words? I am bringing history that I, along with thousands of other followers lived. All you bring is conjecture. The wise people know that only a fool would accept the word of another one without proof. Just as when a robber robs a bank, and the bank cameras capture his image as proof that the man robbed the bank, what better account of the history of the NOI from one of it's adherents who lived the history? The Hon Elijah Muhammad once said that; "...History is the best rewarder of all research!!" He was a very wise leader and teacher except in the eyes of a fool!

Mr. A.B.

You said that it was Elijah’s job to introduce Black Americans to Islam. Introducing Black Americans to Islam is the same as introducing Black American to the Arabian people since Islam is the original religion of the Arabian people am I right.

If God was with Elijah as God is with me, Prophet Harry God would have given Elijah a religion that is all Black Americans as God give me the religion LIFE for us Black Americans.

We are totally distinguished from other people. No one can call us a wannabe Arabian Muslim like the NOI and WD Muhammad followers are.

Is there a technical problem being experienced here on this page? Someone seems to be trying to get through with comments, but they don't seem to be registering intelligibly. Oh well...I guess it was just the wind blowing. Or maybe somebody just broke wind 'cause it does kinda' smell a little bit. LOL

Brother Maydun the paint brush you are using to paint Wallace is the wrong shade. I was born in Islam, raised in Islam, and still profess Islam, and from what you have shared here it is obvious that you don't understand Elijah Muhammad and his Teachings, because you have been poisoned by the enemies against him. You don't fully believe in Elijah Muhammad, as the Messenger of Allah.

No one of Elijah's detractor will ever lead you to him and Allah who came in the person of Master Fard Muhammad, these people are against the Messenger. You have been listening to someone who had not been guided by Master Fard Muhammad or his Messenger (Elijah Muhammad). That is why you cannot see the hypocrisy of Wallace. Elijah Muhammad updated the Holy Quran with Message to the Blackman in America, Our Saviour Has Arrived, The Fall of America, and How To Eat To Live (books 1 and 2)....otherwise, we would never know what Allah the One God would have us to know here in America.

Elijah Muhammad was a man with only a 4th grade education but he realized that there was more that man was instructed to do for Allah, the One God, than reading the Holy Quran and attending Jummah prayer every Friday. The results of Elijah Muhammad's teachings did more for ethnic reform of Black people than any other ideology in all of America's history.

The Hypocrite Wallace had all kinds of ideas to attempt to destroy the nation and bring as many followers of the Messenger along only to ease his devilishness in small dosages until the deed was done! Wallace came in and said that the brothers did not have to sell Muhammad Speaks newspaper anymore, they could frequent nightclub activities, and they could wear a beard. Laziness crept in and many Muslims were excited to take the bait! The majority of Wallace's followers don't want to shave (or trim their beards), they live to eat (instead of eating to live), and walk around with halitosis (aka breath kicking like Bruce Lee)!

Wallace taught something that goes contrary to what the Messenger taught which makes him a hypocrite of the first degree. Wallace was a hypocrite who took Muslims backward 1400 years in the days of Prophet Muhammad of Arabia. Anyone that sides with Wallace is either a hypocrite, disbeliever or hater of Messenger Muhammad.

Nor did We send before thee (as messengers) any but men, whom we did inspire,- (men) living in human habitations. Do they not travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those before them? But the home of the hereafter is best, for those who do right. Will ye not then understand?
( سورة يوسف , Yusuf, Chapter #12, Verse #109)

For We assuredly sent amongst every People a messenger, (with the Command), "Serve Allah, and eschew Evil": of the People were some whom Allah guided, and some on whom error became inevitably (established). So travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those who denied (the Truth).
( سورة النحل , An-Nahl, Chapter #16, Verse #36)

Do ye enjoin right conduct on the people, and forget (To practise it) yourselves, and yet ye study the Scripture? Will ye not understand?
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #44)

The above ayats from the Holy Qur'an Al Karim are the reflections of where a portion of mankind have strayed away from the proper worship of Allah (G_d), the one who created all things in the heavens and on earth, and everything between them. He fashioned His creation in perfect order in His design which is termed in Qur'an in Arabic language, The language of Prophet Muhammad, who happened to be an Arab...He termed it as the Din Al Fitrah (the perfect design upon which all things are created).

In his straying away from the proper methodology of worship, this portion of mankind has allowed his thinking to be influenced by shaytan (satan/devil). In the Qur'an, shaytan makes a request to Allah who placed him into the lowest position to give him respite until the day of judgment, and he would prove to the almighty that man was not worthy of Him. This is the conversation in Qur'an:

11 It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We bade the angels prostrate to Adam, and they prostrate; not so Iblis; He refused to be of those who prostrate.

12 (Allah) said: "What prevented thee from prostrating when I commanded thee?" He said: "I am better than he: Thou didst create me from fire, and him from clay."

13 (Allah) said: "Get thee down from this: it is not for thee to be arrogant here: get out, for thou art of the meanest (of creatures)."

14 He said: "Give me respite till the day they are raised up."

15 (Allah) said: "Be thou among those who have respite."

16 He said: "Because thou hast thrown me out of the way, lo! I will lie in wait for them on thy straight way:

17 "Then will I assault them from before them and behind them, from their right and their left: Nor wilt thou find, in most of them, gratitude (for thy mercies)."

18 (Allah) said: "Get out from this, disgraced and expelled. If any of them follow thee,- Hell will I fill with you all.

[H.Q., 7:11-18]

These ayats show shaytan's rebelliousness in his disobedience to his lord. He told Allah that He created him from fire, and man from clay. When you think about it, fire destroys the composition of that which it consumes. But having made man from clay, clay can be fashioned and shaped into different forms with water. Water represents life. Everywhere there is water, there is life.

Be you Christian, or Muslim, it is written in the bible and qur'an that we are all the descendants from Adam. Adam was the first conscious man...that is, he was the first to be conscious of G_d. From Adam came the tribes from which all ethnicities originated. So we all have the same original parent in common...Adam.

To despise an Arab, or anyone else in favor of one's own ethnicity is a denial of favor that G_d extended to all men as a mercy. All this lamenting about how black one is serves as a reversal of the role that the white man has drawn hatred from our own people with. How can you justify calling the white man a racist, but yet you are as big a racist as he is? This is nothing but blatant hypocracy, and gives creedence to the old saying of the pot calling the kettle black.

Playing tit for tat is an adolescent game that you will find that most children play. If you are a Christian, in the bible it reads:

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

1 Corinthians 13:11 - King James Bible "Authorized Version", Pure Cambridge Edition

This game of tit for tat can go on into perpetuity until one of the two parties breaks the chain. Someone has to emerge as the bigger person. Will it be you, or are you too small a minded person to take on that task? Shaytan is performing a masterful job of imposing his influence of evil over his dupes who love to spread mischief.

A man does himself, and those whom he seeks to influence with half cocked opinions, a great injustice. Nations have been overcome from the result of being informed based upon unqualified opinions. Opinions are like a you know what...everybody's got one. But one thing that you must keep in mind...the roaad to hell is smooth, and shaytan, your esteemed escort, is lying in wait for you to allow him to lead you into the jahanam (hellfire).

Siebra Muhammad...There are a lot of Islamic professors around. The Hon Elijah Muhammad taught us that mere belief accounts for nothing unless it is carried into practice. Again I see that you do not know how to quit while you are behind. Sister, you have no idea of whom I was taught under. I was taught directly under the teachings of the Hon Elijah Muhammad...not when he died and then Farrakhan formed a made up Nation.

I took the liberty to examine your profile, and there seems to be two Siebras (or is that zebra?). You've got the educated Siebra who seems to be well educated with a 2 yr degree in something (I guess that means that you got a certificate at a JC...chuckle!!!), and you currently work in a capacity of education in the New Orleans Public Schools system (probably as a teachers aid).

Then there's the ignorant Siebra who seems to think that she can challenge a veteran who came into the NOI as a 20 year old youth in 1966, travelled all over the country, and North America selling the Muhammad Speaks Newspapers, was thrown in jail for illegal soliciting as a result, even stared down the barrels of shotguns after being jacked up by the Las Vegas Police Department with my paper crew just for being a clean cut Muslim just as the Hon Elijah Muhammad taught us to be. I sold the whiting H&G fish that the Hon Elijah Muhammad had imported from Peru that provided employment for our community, and revenues. I also managed the Shabazz Snack Shop for Temple #26 here in SF, and as a benefit that I received as a result of the teachings of the Hon Elijah Muhammad, started my own thriving food business from which I was able to be successful in supporting my growing family. Alhamdulillah!!!

Again I say that as much as you would like for what you are offering here to be the truth, since you didn't live any of my experiences, or any of the other brothers and sisters who sacrificed much, even their lives such as the brothers who were murdered by the police in NY and LA, to make the NOI the success that it was, all you can do is to continue to blow smoke on what you imagine that the Hon Elijah Muhammad taught.

You say that you were raised Islamically, but you don't talk Islam. I haven't seen anytrhing that you have offered here so far but n*gga talk. n*ggas talk like you. You can always tell when a person is an impersonator of what they "profess." They don't even speak the language of the discipline that they are professing to. You are not a Muslim. Rather, you are a wannabe Muslim. All anybody has to do is look at your profile photograph and all they will see is a bunch of New Orleans n*ggas. LMAO

Hello

I am momentarily going to help you out Mr. Madyum in your dialogue with Siebra.

Let see if we can analytically resolve this issue of WD Muhammad being a hypocrite, okay. Let’s work our way backward from the point of when Elijah was dieing.

It is clear that the NOI fell into the hands of WD Muhammad whether directly by Elijah or by a vote. The NOI was in the hands of WD Muhammad.

It is also clear that Mr. Farrakhan was with WD Muhammad for 3 years before he broke away from the body and started his own NOI. For three Mr. Farrakhan did not think WD was a hypocrite. In fact, WD had gone of Farrakhan’s Savior’s Day convention and they huge on stage in public.

Now, Siebra says WD is a hypocrite and at the same time she is a follower of Mr. Farrakhan who did not see WD as a hypocrite. So, what does that say about Siebra except that Siebra is stupid and not just ignorant?

Now, what does it say about you who were in the first resurrection and Siebra wasn’t should tell you that you are dialoguing with an irrational thinking person. Then you go on to quote from the Quran and you have already said that Siebra doesn’t use the Quran, so what does that say about you except that you are just as stupid and ignorant as Siebra is.

Who can unite you and Siebra but our very own prophet because we as a people are fractured into many different pieces?

There is nothing to gain with Siebra, but there is plenty to gain dealing with me. Eventually all Black Americans will come to follow me because no matter what Black Americans are going to become a sovereign people in my life-time. There is no one to come after me on behalf of Black Americans like Elijah said there is some one to come after him. Elijah wasn’t the real deal, but I am the real deal.

Did somebody fart out of their mouth again. I keep getting this awful smell...or is it haletosis? I think somebody's trying to qualify some comments about a subject they couldn't possibly have the knowledge of except what he may have heard from some other turd. Maybe I'm just imagining things, so...moving right on along...false alarm is my guess... LOL

Mr. A.B.,

I see you are very much afraid of me and you shouldn’t be. I thought I would never see the day the followers of Elijah Muhammad would act as stupid as you do. You all boast that you are the smartest group of all Black Americans, but are nothing but idiots sucking-up to Arabian people and their Islamic religion. Don’t you want your own religion? Don’t you want your own book? Don’t you want your own prophet? You all are stupid wannabe Arabian people when you dummies are a new race of people born out of plantation slavery and known today as Black Americans. Our race is about 500 years old.

Who is it that's letting all these farts out they mouth? Stankin' badly too!!! The smell is just terrible I tell you!!!! LMAO

Garbage in...garbage out!!!! SMH

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(Reprinted form the Muslim Journal 5-16-08 to 6-27-08)

The Temples Of Islam

Imam W. Deen Mohammed


As-Salaam-Alaikum. To our Radio Listen Audience, we are very pleased that we are able to be present here today for this live broadcast. The theme or topic is the Meeting of Science and Religion is Occurring to Dispel Myths.

I remember my father being given a tape. I was put out of the Nation of Islam or put out of the Temple for questioning the idea of G-d that we all were identified with. I had been put out once already, and some of the believers in the Temple heard me on the radio being interviewed by an African American Christian sister.


BURDENS of MYTHS

She was asking me of what kind of concerns I had. And I said to her, "I am writing a book." She asked me what was it about? And I said, "It is on the burden of myth on the American people."

Believe me, that audience I am sure did not respond like my father responded, when they played that tape in his presence. He would not hear it until I was present.

I was present on a Sunday, as we normally would go from the Temple or wherever we were to the house of the Hon. Elijah Muhammad, along with staff people, to hear him comment to his staff and officials on matters he thought he should bring to our attention at the dinner table.

We had finished with the meal and coffee was being served and he said to me, "Son, we want to play that tape." I never got scared, because I never intentionally did any wrong. And if I have not intentionally done any wrong, what should I fear? Nothing.

The consequences good or bad will be good for me. If I have done good and I'm not guilty and I'm a good person, and G-d loves me and I love Him, I have nothing to fear.

If you throw me in the fire, the fire will be good for me -if that is what G-d wants. So my father said, "Play that tape."

So my nephew and the grandson of the Hon. Elijah Muhammad was a very faithful servant to my father in his older years and when he was sickly. He was the one my father told to get the tape and to play it.

The Supreme Captain was there and the Assistant Supreme Captain. The regular house and office staff was there, those secretaries who worked directly with the Hon. Elijah Muhammad. And my mother was there and normally always there sitting at the far end of the table.

They played the tape and my father heard me speak about myths being a burden on the people. It said "mythological gods" - those were my exact words.


"MY SON'S GOT IT!"

I said, "Mythological gods is the burden on the American people." My father had been sickly and everyone was thinking we should go easy with him. He wasn't acting sick and looked strong, health wise. I think he was enjoying his better days at that particular time.

At one point, he stands up, and I mean better than I can stand up right now because of my little back problem. He stands up at the table and he said, "My son's got it!" Those were his exact words.

I am wondering what he is talking about and what impressed him so much for him to say, "I got it." It took me some time to understand what he was saying. I thought of it as conversation and knew it was conversation in deep water. It was not playful for children, to talk about mythological gods.

He looked at my mother while still standing and she was sitting, and he said, "Clara, isn't this what we wanted?" And she smiled and nodded her head.

So what I am coming to you today with is really a continuation of that interest that I had to inquire into the nature of our culture to see just where that came from and what it is made of and where the problem is.


COMING TOGETHER of RELIGION and SCIENCE

We are hearing on the news and in educational publications and in regular magazines that come out like TIME and other magazines, we are hearing about the coming together of religion and science. Religion and science are being recognized now as not being against each other but belonging to each other.

With this occurrence, myths are being dispelled. That which we could not understand before in the culture as myth or tied directly to myth is now being uncovered and now being understood, gradually.

But most of us are not even familiar with what is going on, because we are not situated in society to be in touch with such occurrences or such happenings. These things pass by the great majority of the people, and even the great majority of the educated people.

That is exactly what is happening - the meeting of science and religion, where religion is beginning to express its scientific composition and scientific design. Certainly, it is spiritual, but the spiritual has to be established. And the spiritual cannot be established, unless it is through the material.

G-d made Adam, and he was existing according to Genesis already, so He made him for a second time. And when He made him for the second time, He gave him a female mate, so he would bear children on earth and have a future on earth. And he could not do that without utilizing the material reality.

G-d told him that He made all the things that had been formed or created by G-d to be of use and utility to Adam and the future human beings on this earth, the descendants of Adam.


THE WORD "BLACK"

The word "black" as given in Islam should be understood by Muslims, especially in America, where "white" and "black" have become troubling language. It has been going on now for well over 300 years. And even after gaining Civil Rights and full rights of citizenship, this problem continues -white and black.

Obviously, we are not using this language correctly. We are doing it unintentionally or intentionally. We are not using this language correctly that identifies one people as white and the other as black.

The word "black" is given in Islam, and we are going to discuss that and try to understand it.

Nation of Islam Temples in North America - I am using that language, because all of it have a lot to do with Nation of Islam presence in the United States of America.

The Nation of Islam Temple language used back then influenced many who were identifying as Negroes and Colored people to change and identify themselves as Blacks or black people.


THE TERM "BLACK"

The dictionary meaning for the term "black" will connect with science, religion and also with informal language. However, we cannot go to the dictionary and find the explanation "in religion" for the term "black."

It is felt that the term black was made popular in America by the religious following of Elijah Poole Muhammad, and I said Poole to recognize his family roots.

So we have an obligation to acquaint ourselves with the meaning for Islam and publish the meaning in North America where the term "black" gained popularity, because of the teachings and work of the Hon. Elijah Muhammad.

"Islam," the religion of humanity, "is the religion of the Black man." That is what we were taught in the Nation of Islam, by the Hon. Elijah Muhammad, the student of
Professor Fard, the one he called "G-d or Allah in the person...."


DON'T CONDEMN BEFORE STUDY

It is important that we not condemn before studying Fard's language and researching this word, "black." A quick look at what is understood to be Islam throughout the world is what we have to recognize.

When we look at that and what is the definition of Islam, then the Nation of Islam and the world community of Muslims were at odds and further apart than the church was from the Islam that the Hon. Elijah Muhammad presented.

We were closer to the church as a religious people than we were to true Islam as practiced by Muslims throughout the world. There was a reason for that, and as I said don't be quick to condemn. So we want to have a quick look at what is understood to be Islam throughout the world.


JUSTIFYING WHITE SUPREMACY

We also want to examine what some religionists have used to justify White Supremacy: Hints of racism in religious myth, the deity of Rama, and Noah's three sons. In the Far East, Rama has influenced the way Far Easterners look at us.

In America, the story of the three sons of Noah has influenced the way the White church looks at us.

Islam's definition for the term black as applied in religion, let us look at that seriously. "The Browning of America" is a caption that appeared some time ago on the cover of EBONY Magazine.

During the campaign for the office of President of these United States, a CNN special on Black America has gone out to millions in this country and overseas.

Siebra and Mr. A.B.,

Here I see two Black Americans who are descendents of plantation slaves and therefore both of you come from the same tree if you will.

However, you all can not agree on the Islamic Arabian scriptures and that is because both of you are not Arab people.

Both of you are stupid.

You are not claiming your own by claiming what belongs to the Arabian people.

A.B. Maydun have you ever heard of first impression? This is your first time communicating with me and the first impression you give me of yourself is "functionally illiterate". You have not touch on anything I said. What it shows I am telling the truth because you are avoiding it. I am well read, in African Studies as well as Islamic Studies, was known to be an honor student all through school, and taught my high school and college professors things that they themselves didn't know about their own history. I don't come to the site to put on a front or pretend to be something I'm not. Just because I don't have a B.S. degree, or a M.A. or Ph.D. degree doesn't mean I'm stupid. And in case you're wondering, I do plan on furthering my education when the time and financial resources allow me to do so.

Thank you for once again proving my point that you cannot use one simple form of math. You are just like the majority of Wallace's followers who remain stuck in the twilight zone and who believe in God as a "spirit" only. Kill the B.S. and conjecture! Not only have Wallace discredit the teachings brought to us by Messenger Elijah Muhammad, he has discredit Master Fard Muhammad (God In Person) and he has discredit all other Islam groups that affiliated themselves with Master Fard Muhammad and the Messenger.

All you can do is make a fool out of yourself defending a man (Wallace) that didn't give a damn about black people. What Wallace did is give Black people an excuse not to accept the truth. He created a new debate on whether or not the Messenger taught truth or fiction. Wallace made it hard for his followers to teach Master Fard Muhammad is God in person, the Yacub story, us being the original people of God and being gods ourselves and the mother plane. Many of us was already having trouble with the truth, and Wallace relieved them of their trouble.

The claims you made regarding my profile pictures also gives me the impression that you are one of those insane Sunni Muslims desperately looking for a wife or concubine. You got the nerve to peep my profile pictures and discredit me and my background, a person you just started communicating with days ago but you already think you know me? Come up with something else. Matter of fact, bring your desperate ass to a dating site. This is not a dating site.

"...Like some members in the Temple of Islam, following my heart, my heart refused to have my mind engage bold flagrant contradictions charged to divine, to G-d, to divine order and authority. In time, my desire to have it right drove out sentimental-ism and to have reason serve my need for a better understanding.

Teachings that I previously did not favor in the Nation of Islam were now getting my attention. Some say, "You should have favored everything." But how many of you all favored everything?

You favored the Hon. Elijah Muhammad saying that the Black man was superior to the White man. You favored the Hon. Elijah Muhammad saying that you had been deceived by the White devil..."

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Chuckles to anybody to fallaciously believe that they have the authority to term themselves as a "prophet." Prophet Muhammad Ibn Abdullah of 1,400 + years ago is the seal of the prophets. After him, according to what Allah (G_d) tells us in the Qur'an, there will be no more.

But, let's face it...there are a lot of crazy people around selling any, and everything that they think a sucker will buy. PT Barnum was right when he said that there is a sucker born everyday. So for all the suckers who are reading this article out there that believe this man that claims he is a prophet, don't forget your water sandwiches on the way out. But let's face it, there aren't any suckers like that participating in this forum. Either this guy is just plain stupid, ignorant, crazy, delirious, works for the FBI/CIA...or do you prefer the whole bundled deal?

He chooses to smear the good name of the Hon Elijah Muhammad, and he claims all of this new found blackness that he just discovered after coming off the late freight (he's almost 50 years late). Had it not been for the honorable Elijah Muhammad, none of us millions of black people, whether we liked him or not, would even be calling ourselves "black" in the first place.

James Brown told Imam Mohammed that it was his father, The Hon Elijah Muhammad that inspired him to write, and popularize the song, "Say It Loud, (I'm black and I'm proud). Some of our people are stubborn like donkeys. It reminds me of Baal, and the donkey that carried the tomes (books) on his back. He could barely make it through the pass of which he was traveling because those tomes, or books, were a burden to him.

Symbolically those books were a burden to Baal because though he carried them on his back, just as information is abundantly available to all in these modern times, some of our people do not take the time to read these tomes (books of knowledge), and as a result, the lack of this knowledge becomes a burden to them just as the tomes were a burden upon the donkey's back.

I know that some ignorant negro is going to disagree with this, but I saw from an email that someone forwarded to me a few years back that told of this caucasian fellow that appeared on, I believe it was, the Today show who stated that if you want to keep any knowledge away from black people, all you have to do is put it in a book. Sad to say, for a great number of our people, this is true.

In his hadith, prophet Muhammad was reported by one of his sahabas (companions) to have said that the Muslim seeks knowledge from the cradle to the grave even if he has to go as far away as China to get it. So don't think that anything that I have typed upon these pages are not based on research. I gave up my "opinions" the day that I declared La illaha il lallah, Muhammadan rasulullah (there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah (the one G_d), and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah).

The basic difference between what I offer here, and the fallacy that thinks that I am afraid to confront him is this...I am on these pages to offer knowledge, and he is here to sling mud at people, and insult them. This is no better than what a juvenile would be able to offer. Indeed, My grandchildren, who are all under 7 years old would have better to offer. It is amazing the ends that some folk will take themselves through to show everyone how unbalanced their lives are. Perhaps this type of behavior is stemming from bad experiences in his life.

Siebra Muhammad...Once again you are making a fool out of yourself pawning yourself off as an educated woman. You are telling the world here that you learned Islamic studies in a secular school. This is what you said:

"...I am well read, in African Studies as well as Islamic Studies, was known to be an honor student all through school, and taught my high school and college professors things that they themselves didn't know about their own history..."

Are you trying to convince someone that you learned Islam in a secular school, and are therefore qualified to teach anybody anything? And you want someone to believe that you are an avid follower of THEM? That is most interesting, because first of all what can a non-Muslim secular instructor teach you about your own religion. Secondly, Islam is not a "black" religion. It is a religion for humanity. You sound as ridiculous as our Christian friend, "Dirty Harry" in assuming that you are an authority on ethnic studies (with the exception that he ain't studied nuthin'!!). He believes in his ignorance that Islam is an "Arab" religion, and you believe that it is a "black" one. You are both in the same boat. That's quite a pity. You really need to straighten that out...really!!!

LOL!!!! :)

Siebra Muhammad...It is also interesting that you erroneously assume that I am defending a personality. I don't worship a personality. Your problem with Wallace is your problem. I am promoting the religion that Wallace promoted just as he did. Your bad understanding of this pristine faith is what is driving you to believe that I am promoting Imam W. Deen Mohammed's personality. He told us that he didn't want us to follow him across the street, and warned us of worshipping personalities. I can plainly understand that by your conversation you are telling us that it was not the Hon Elijah Muhammad's teachings that you followed as a discipline. Your words say otherwise. No...instead, it was his personality that you worshipped. That is clear for all to see. Aren't you a little tired of constantly having to put your foot in your mouth? If I were you I would be tired as hell by now. My advice to you...why don't you just quit right now before you get even further behind?

Sanender El Ameen...Oh Oh!!! Here we go...another fake n*gga Muslim! n*gga please!!! She ain't gone give you none, fool!!! LMAO

You still have not touched on anything I've said, You more upset about what I said about Wallace and has less concern about how he turn traitor and temporarily damaged the reputation of Master Fard Muhammad and the Messenger. You are nothing but idol worshiper. Your posting shows who you are loyal to. Where the hell have you been? Again, come up with something else, if you want me to respect you as a MAN on here, I strongly suggest you get some facts before I go completely raw on you. Don't come on here like a wounded duck and act like you an innocent victim. This is your first time corresponding with me and right off the bat you feel you can disrespect me.

My parents have been students of Messenger Elijah Muhammad for over 40 years, and most of what I was taught regarding Islam was taught to me by them both, It's obvious no one told you I do not take no **** off of no site member (male or female). How do you explain Wallace disobeying his teacher and embracing a spook god? You follow this man in all he's maddest. Most of Wallace's followers are so dumb until he knew he can tell them anything and they will believe it.

Mr. A.B.,

Let’s reason okay since you said in so many words that you are a man of reasoning.

You claim that Prophet Mohammed of 1400 years ago is the seal of the prophets and according to what Allah says in the Quran there will be no more prophets.

Well guess what, I whole-heartedly agree with Allah, Mohammed and the Quran because who am I to disagree with what the Arabian people say concerning themselves. Of course, Prophet Mohammed was the seal of the prophets only for the Arabian people. What is being said by the Arabian people is that they are not to get another prophet like the Jewish people who got many prophets.

Your mis-understanding comes in when you think the Islamic Arabian scriptures applies to you. But, it can’t apply to you because you are not an Arab man. You are a Black American man.

So, you don’t know how to read from God creation mar. A.B. Black Americans are not Arabian people. We must have our own prophet and our own religion and our own book and then we are ready to rule ourselves in our own country.

We are coming into a reasonable and fertile portion of this continent that we can call our very own country in my life-time.

We are going to divinely inherit from the northern boarders of N.C. into the Gulf of Mexico and from the Mississippi River into the Atlantic Ocean. Everything that I am saying is going to happen in my life-time.

Unlike Elijah there is no one to come after me because I am the real deal. I am a delivery prophet like Moses was and delivery prophet completes their divine mission in their life-time. Elijah Muhammad was nothing more than a wannabe Arab man, but he couldn’t because he was a Black American man.

Incidentally, we Black Americans did not come from Africa. There were no Black Americans on any of those slave ships. They were all African people.
Black Americans came into existence on this Northern American continent when the old White slave master repeatedly bred himself with his slaves for 300 that produced a new race of people known today as Black Americans.

It is the same as when a plum and a peach tree was crossed it produced a nectarine tree. The nectarine now becomes a new fruit tree am I right.

I am a genuine prophet to Black Americans. It is the entire race of Black Americans that produced me and it took 500 years for us to do so.

Sanender El Ameen...Who are you mixed up people anyway? There is no such thing as any "Muhammadan" religion. What is the purpose of a pseudo-Muslim wearing a Muslim name, but yet he believes there's a "Muhammadan" religion? BTW...there are several passages of the Qur'an that mention the setting of the sun. Oh...but come on now. What galaxy did you come from? Don't tell me that you don't believe that the sun actually sets. According to how the earth rotates, the naked eye does detect the sun actually setting. But in the Qur'an, these are actually Allah's words. Do you know better than the one who created you, brrrrother?? SMH

Hello to all,

Can we originate ourselves and say what our faith is and what our race is smooth out the rough edges of this dialogue?

I am Harry. My religion is LIFE and it means resurrection. I am a Black American

We all need to know who we are dialoguing with, are you a follower of Farrakhan, Wallace or a Sunni Muslim. .

Mr. A.B.,

I say that Islam is an Arabic religion because it was an Arab Prophet Mohammed who introduced the religion of Islam to his people and that is how the rest of the world came to know the Islamic religion.

The religion Islam did not exist before Prophet Mohammed.

Am I wrong?

Siebra Muhammad...Why didn't you just remain a Christian? What is the difference between worshipping a black man as G_d, and worshipping a white man as G_d in Christianity? It's the same game, just a new name. Allah is high above all of his creation, and is not subject to it in any way.

For you to believe that man is G_d is just not using the G_d given intelligence that Allah gave you. How can a man be G_d, yet he comes into the world as a baby...can't even wipe his ass when he ****s? His mother has to do it for him. He doesn't even know how to talk. What kind of G_d is that?

You have no way of knowing, nor do your parents, of the purpose of the NOI. The NOI is no more. It served it's purpose for it's time, because it came at a time when it was necessary, and greatly needed. It came because of the condition that our people were in back during that particular time in our history but you are fascinated with the concept because it is what you choose to believe even though it is enshrouded in fairy tales and mythology just like in Christianity.

You are not even being taught the Qur'an which is most obvious to me just from reading your conversation. You claim that you don't want to get indignant, but you're already well underway with this n*gga language that you have so eloquently employed in this discourse up to this point. You are being facetious, so it's good to see that you have a very healthy sense of humor.

The Hon Elijah Muhammad taught us that a wise man changes often. But a fool will always remain the same. If that doesn't make sense to you, then you are not paying attentiion to the changes that occur around you everyday. Nothing in Allah's creation remains the same. Design in furniture, fashion, automobiles, trains, planes...yes...even people change NECESSARILY!!! If you don't believe that, then you probably have not even noticed that even the children that are being born into the world today are much different than the ones that were being born twenty, or thirty years ago.

Quincy Jones produced a popular song once entitled 'Everything Must Change." Nothing is closer to this truth in it's category. Allah's creation is designed in that way, and as He perfected it, He labelled it as the Din Al-Fitrah which is the perfect design in which He created all things.

You mentioned that your parents have been members of the NOI for 40 years. If that is the truth, then that means that they did not live the experience of the Nation under the Hon Elijah Muhammad. The truth is that, though they came into the Nation during the last few years of his leadership, they evidently were either being taught by a tyrant minister, or they were street Muslims. In other words, because they only wanted to claim membership in the community, they did not study the messengers teachings. I know that you don't want to accept that, but that is the only logical explanation based on trhe information that you have brought out.

I addition, under Louis Farrakhan, they received an entirely different view of what the real NOI practiced. A great majority of you youngsters do not want to accept that Minister Farrakhan started his own Nation of Islam because he was unable to discontinue his taste for enjoying the material life thatm most of the Hon Elijahm Muhammad's ministers enjoyed. That was the sole reason why the majority of his ministers were willing to serve in their positions as ministers in the first place.There was much corruption taking place under the old regime towards the end.

This was the time that te FBI was infiltrating the NOI, and their dupes were educated, and were instructed to seek high positions, and learn all they could concerning how the nation ticked. There were a lot of corrupt business managers who bankrupted our community because they were thieves and robbers. So when Imam Mohammed decided to get rid of these businesses which were not at all assets to our community but rather a burden, a cache of ignorant followers were angry with him for doing so. In business, if you know anything about finances, you don't hold on to liabilities. You only hold on to assets. Liabilities represent loss. Assets on the other hand, represent prosperity.

After all of this, if you still choose to hurl all these insults, and dirty names at me for what I am telling you, then you have not payed attention to anything that I have said. This tells me that your mind is made up, and you don't intend to change because either you are just stubborn, and choose to remain the same because it is what your parents followed, or you are just an agent of either the FBI, shaitan, or both.

I totally understand that you don't have to believe anything that I say, and that is your prerogative. But what I am saying to you comes from my heart, and I am telling you these things in all sincerity. I lived the history of this community because I actively participated in it's activities full force.

You, of course will accept this as an insult if your mind is not open to change. Imam Mohammed once said the the human mind works just like a parachute. It doesn't work at all unless it is open. This is the truth, and just as the Hon Elijah Muhammad told us, he said; "...Truth steps on many toes..."

A.B.,

You have a small amount of light, a few pockets here and a few pockets there. You are right that God is not subject to Creation and therefore, no man can be God and neither would God be a man.

Ignorant people have always wanted to see God with their physical eyes. God gave man physical eyes so he won’t bump into a tree or walk off a cliff. The eye to see God with is your mind eye and your ability to logically reason.

Nevertheless, all three of you are stupid and here is why I say so. All three of are Black Americans who are descendents of plantation slaves, but your argument is all about the Arabian people and their things.

You all are not Arabian people. Nothing in the Arabian Quran belongs to us Black Americans. It was the Arabian people that experience everything you read in the Quran because it was the Arabian people that wrote the Quran. How do you ignorant Black Americans fix into the Arabian people’s lives?

Don’t you all think that we have to have our own personal experience with God just like the Arabian people did 1400 years ago? Of course, we need too!

When God first comes to a people the first thing that God always do is to anoint a prophet for the people.
The first thing Allah did when Allah came to the Arabian people was to anoint Prophet Mohammed.
Likewise, the first that God did when God came to Black Americans was to anoint me, Prophet Harry. Our very firs prayer I’ve posted it already. So, now we know that God is in our very midst. We are going to become a sovereign people in my life-time. Our religion is named LIFE. And, we will soon be writing our own Book like the Arabians wrote the Quran.

Elijah never taught you what I am teaching you am I right.

It sure is a lot of FBI agents on here. I just don't believe you n*ggas are that stupid to believe all this garbage y'all are typing on here. What I do believe is that you n*ggas are stupid enough to be FBI agents. Now that's what you call a real n*gga sell out. SMH

Hello A.B.,

You need professional help. You have FBI-phobia. You have more fear of the FBI than you have of God.

During the time of Moses there were Pharaoh’s intelligence agents among Moses, but it didn’t bother Moses because Moses had God on his side and the Exodus to the Children of Israel went forward am I right.

The reason the NOI were worried and seeing agents all around them is because God was never with the movement and that is why everything about Elijah didn’t go forward. It failed am I right.

You need to clam down and settle down and begin to analytically reason.

In my nest post I will explain to you in detail that God was not with Elijah one iota, but you have to come out of your shell of fear and reason with me.

Remember that I am making two points. The first is that you have FBI-phobia and my second point is that God was never with Elijah. Elijah’s movement including Wallace and Farrakhan best days is behind tem and Black Americans are still not free am I right.

Interesting discussion!

Cynthia Merrill Artis...Isn't it, though. The most interesting comments are coming from Harry. He's calling himself a prophet (heard that joke before somewhere). He also claims that Islam is an Arab religion. Funny, but he doesn't say that Chrisianity is a Jewish religion since Jesus was considered a Jew. But no problem there. But I just wonder why he thinks what he has is superior, and he offers no scientific, political theological, mathematical, or any other-cal to back his claims. He believes that if someone charges him with being an FBI agent, they fear the FBI although I have nothing to fear from them because I have never committed any crimes...particular a federal crime. I fear no one but Allah as He alone is to be feared. Yes...this conversation is most interesting indeed. I think Harry would be happy if all of us feared the feds just because he's one of them. Chuckle!!

Strange that Harry says that some of us are misled by our religions, but he just so happens to carry the slave masters name as a cow carries a cattleman's brand to mark him off as his property. LMAO

Hello Mr. Madyum,

You are afraid of me and my wisdom so you talk to me through Cynthia. I’ve told that you do not have to be afraid of me. I am your prophet and I love you.

Okay. Let me answer some of your concerns. Firstly, you say that I am calling myself a prophet. Well, didn’t Mohammed call himself a prophet as well? When prophets are anointed no one is there to witness the anointing am I right. When Mohammed was anointed did he not go straight to his family and told them of his anointing?
So, who is first going to say that I am Black America’s prophet except me? I am not out of order comparing myself to Prophet Mohammed.
When Moses was anointed he was the first to know it and then he told his people and they came to see that it was true. So, I am not out of order comparing my self to Moses either right.

Next, you think that I am joking to say that Islam is an Arabic religion. When you have as many facts as these that Mohammed who was an Arab man and who introduced Islam to his people because his people were pagan worshippers and the Quran is in the Arabic language and all this is done in Arabia how can you not see that the Islamic religion is an Arab religion and you know that you are not an Arab man. I am your prophet and our religion is named LIFE and it means resurrection. We are going to become a sovereign people in my life-time. There is no one to come after me. I am the one Elijah said would come after him.

Christianity is not a Jewish religion. It is the religion of the European Gentiles that Apostle Paul went to and converted.

I know what I have is superior because none of you all can say that I am wrong when I say that prophets are racially different and because of this racial different Black Americans must have a Black American prophet and not an Arabian or a Jewish prophet. So, you all are wrong to be sucking-up to other people’s prophets and ignoring your own biological Prophet Harry. And you can not say I am wrong to see it this way.

You mentioned my slave name. well, changing your slave names before we have our own country is pouring wasted money back into White America’s system that you could have used more wisely am I right.

Lastly, you are blatantly lying when you say that I don’t offer any scientific facts to prove my points. I said that prophets are racially different and you can look out into past history and see for yourself that Mohammed and Moses were racially different and yet they were two real prophets am I right. That is offer science to back-up what I say.

Harry... Take your meds please!!! Your deliusions are over the top today....

@Madyun...
Unfortunately I am not very knowledgeable regarding Islam.
However, I do have some knowledge on Harry Watley with an Iq of 68. Yet he calls everyone stupid!!
Also Whom has displayed his mental instabilities!!
He's all alone... and has been abandoned by his wife and children. So naturally he has been isolated and traumatized by his existing life... So to feel of value; he has latched on to this abnormal psychological belief that he is liken to Christ!!!

Hello Mr. El Ameen,

All that you offer is your unfounded ill feelings and criticism of Mr. Madyum. His garment has nothing to do with whether he is intelligent or ignorant. Grow-up and say what you think he is wrong about and why.

again---May Allaah Reward the Doers of Good-------------------------

Our Brother has been dead for some Years NOW and He READ, Believed and Lived the instructions of Allaah in AlQur'aan Kareem

Sûrat AnNaml
(The Ants, The Insignificant Kingdoms) XXVII
In the Name of Allâah,the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful

1. Tâ-Sîn. These are the Verses of AlQur’âan, it is a Reading that gives clarity for Mankind.

2. A guide to the Correct Path for the Believers of the Oneness of Allâah, Monotheism.

3. Those who perform AsSalât (Iqâmat-AsSalât) and give AzZakât and they believe with CERTAINTY in the resurrection,and recompense for ethical behavior, of their good and bad deeds.

4. Those who do Not believe in the resurrection, a judge of their good and bad deeds; We have made their deeds fair-seeming to them, so that they wander about blindly.

5. They are those for whom there will be an evil torment in life, And in the Hereafter they will be the greatest losers.

6. Truly, you Mohamed are being taught AlQur’âan from One, All-Wise, All-Knowing.

so for the COWARDLY americans that slander a DEAD man?

siebra AND sanenderElAmeen-----Pleeze

you and siebra SEEM in yourFilthy VILE, evilWritings--- to NEVER have read
---- AlQur'aan, or Followed the Sunnah of Mohamed(as), the Teachings of the Family of Elijah Muhammad and His Son and Family-----------------

youALL---first find American Courage ---- and Human DECENCY

and RERead the Wisdom and knowledge of A.B. Madyun

A.B. Maydun you dumb as a box of rocks. Talking to you is like teaching history to a 1st grader. You ask me why I didn't remain a Christian? First off, I never was a Christian or professed Christianity to be my religion. I have always professed Islam as my religion because it is the original religion of my ancestors. Now, if you claim to be from the Honorable Elijah Muhammad's time (or know of his teaching prior to his passing in 1975), you would know that he gave clear instructions to all of the Ministers, that if something happen to me (Elijah) you keep right on teaching the same thing you were teaching when he was here. There is nothing wrong with teaching the Teaching of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad as long as they Don't Change the Teachings. Why? Because the same thing the rise you from the Dead can also get your Brother and Sister! Just keep right on as if I (Elijah) was here.

That is what all of the Ministers was suppose to do, but many of them did not do that. That let the enemy come in and deceive them, without a Fight. The tool they used was that wicked no-good hypocrite Wallace D. Mohammad. That was Wallace's mission from his boss J. Edgar Hoover, he came in and took them away from the teachings Of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad and took them to Old Sunni Islam. The White Man can control Sunni Islam, but not Islam as taught by the Honorable Elijah Muhammad.

The proof is in the facts, look at the Nation under the leadership of the Messenger, and look at what happen under the leadership of the no-good hypocrite Wallace D. Mohammad. Wallace D. Mohammad and his people have nothing at all, and what makes it so bad is that they do not want nothing. They claim to be following Islam, but they are really not. They don't want anything, their Masters (White Folks) will provide all of their needs forever. If this is not the thinking of a slave, then I'll stop commenting on this blog! But only one of the Messenger's Ministers is teaching the teachings of the Messenger as the Messenger instructed them to do and that is Minister Farrakhan. All the rest have their own teachings mixed with the Messengers teachings.

I encourage you not to turn a “deaf ear” to what has been written by Bro. Abdul, Bro. El-Amin, and myself simply because you want to remember Wallace in a certain light. No sane child (Wallace) after having learned the truth about their Black history and the method of it would ever show such a disrespect to their biological father (Elijah). Yet the make belief relationship Wallace built with his followers is still blinding you to the truth even from his grave. I’ll tell you why you want to hold on to this falsely established relationship: you want it to be that he was telling the truth. You want it to be that every lie Wallace told about his father was the reality of it.

So to you Mr. Maydun and all that agree with him, I say to you in the words of the Hon. Elijah Muhammad: “Show me your God. If he don’t want to see me than I don’t want to see him”.

And to the ones who doubt the warnings of Elijah such as the fall of this economy, severe weather, etc. I suggest you check out CNN, MSNBC, ABC news and the discovery/history channels. Tell me the reporters are not terrified of what Elijah warned us of years before they even knew the problems existed. The only problem for them is that it’s too late for them to do anything about it. And yet the unemployment rate continues to rise through the damn roof here in America!

Think over this and reconsider if your continous worship of a hypocrite is worth the genocide that will most certainly visit our people for the lack of accepting the truth?

Hello Siebra,

From your perspective you blame the fall of Elijah’s NOI on Wallace. You said that Elijah warned his ministers that they are to continue teaching his teachings even after his passing and because they didn’t is why the NOI is not what it uses to be. You said that Elijah warned of serve whether.

The end of Elijah’s reign came and pasted in 1975. Today all can see the NOI is not what it use to be am I right. The NOI’s best days are behind you all and you all Arabian wannabe Muslims are no better off now than you all were when Elijah was alive because we are still in the hands of White America am I right.

At this point what I see is that you all want to blame the failure of the NOI on each other especially Wallace, but no fault or blame on Mr. Farrakhan because you follows Mr. Farrakhan. Every one can see your hypocrisy and favors for Mr. Farrakhan.

But, the truth of the matter is that God was never with Elijah and the NOI as God was with the Moses and the Children of Israel otherwise Elijah would have succeeded.

You can see that there are a lot of differences between Elijah and I that you can readily see that I am the real deal and will succeed in leading Black Americans into sovereignty in a country of our own.
One thing that is different about me is that God anointed me while an Arabian born foreigner Mr. Rard Muhammad empowered Elijah. And, we know that no man can be God and God would not be a man or equal to a man.
Another different is that God gave me as Black America’s first genuine prophet our religion named LIFE and not some other people’s religion like the Arabian Islamic religion.

As far as serve whether goes, is nothing to be alarmed about because it from global warming and it's caused by man doings. So, you shouldn’t read anything into it like Jamal Abraham thought the BP oil spill a few years ago was a divine plague.

You know that the Arabian born Rard Muhammad was a foreigner and did not come from Elijah’s Black American race.

Mr. Farrakhan if will come to follow me. It is I that God has anointed as Black America’s first genuine prophet.

based on WORLDWIDE definition of MUSLIM-----siebra YOU are NOT a Muslim--- NOW----

AND

.......you have WRITTEN on these PAGES that you do not Follow AlQur'aan and the Sunnah of Mohamed(saw)

that
-----dear littleGirl means that the 5 BILLION people in the world that have a dictionary and the 2 BILLION Muslims in the world do NOT consider you a Muslim or claim you....

kkk and NATzz were considered Christian BUT no one CLAIMS them as christian....

i, as a Muslim, follower of AlQur'aan and Sunnah of Mohamed(saw),

AND

as an American Citizen writer at BIA,
---i, DO NOT consider a Person that Slanders(with paganChristian FalseHOOD)----a Recently DEAD man?
--- as you, slandererAmic and Poster Abdul-Malik Muhammad have done here with FALSE FILTH--------i consider YOU, a triflingHuman Being and a cowardAmerican......

Allaah is the Guide of the Muslims-May Allaah have Mercy on Us........

Sûrat At-Taubah
(The Repentance) IX
In the Name of Allâah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful
80. Whether you Mohamed Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã--- ask forgiveness for them (hypocrites) or ask not forgiveness for them - (and even) if you ask seventy times for their forgiveness - Allâah will not forgive them because they have disbelieved in Allâah and His Messenger (Mohamed Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã). And Allâah guides not those people who are Fâsiqûn (rebellious, disobedient to Allâah).

learn something, sometime you racistIgnorant stereotypical LoudMouth 'black'littleGirl............

Hello to all,

I would do the same thing that you all are doing to me because I am tougher than Mr. Madyum is.

What is so good about Siebra’s teachings when what she is teaching has already failed? Elijah’s teaching has not made us a nation and a prosperous people. Elijah’s teachings are a failure and deep down inside of you all you all know it.

You all are some very hurt people and you all still want to believe in the old false spirit that the NOI had in the 60’s.

Elijah wasn’t the one. I am the Chosen One.

You all have no business sucking-up behind the Arabian people. Give them back their religion, Quran and Prophet Mohammed. We have our own Prophet Harry and our own religion LIFE and we will soon be writing our own religious book like our own Bible or Quran. All at the same time we will change our inferior ways of thinking and acting as we prepare to take possession of our own country and become a legitimate nation among other legitimate nations.

Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to Allah's will) in Islam.
( سورة الحجر , Al-Hijr, Chapter #15, Verse #2)
(Arabic, Transliteration, Urdu, Yusuf Ali, Shakir, Picthal, Mohsin Khan, French, Spanish, Indonesian, Malay, German, Bosnian, Russian)
(2) And the chiefs of his people, who disbelieved and denied the Meeting in the Hereafter, and on whom We had bestowed the good things of this life, said: "He is no more than a man like yourselves: he eats of that of which ye eat, and drinks of what ye drink.
( سورة المؤمنون , Al-Mumenoon, Chapter #23, Verse #33)
(Arabic, Transliteration, Urdu, Yusuf Ali, Shakir, Picthal, Mohsin Khan, French, Spanish, Indonesian, Malay, German, Bosnian, Russian)
(3) O ye who believe! Be ye helpers of Allah: As said Jesus the son of Mary to the Disciples, "Who will be my helpers to (the work of) Allah?" Said the disciples, "We are Allah's helpers!" then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved: But We gave power to those who believed, against their enemies, and they became the ones that prevailed.
( سورة الصف , As-Saff, Chapter #61, Verse #14)

Hello Mr. Madyum,

You are wrong to impose the Arabian Quran on yourself and your Black American people because we are not Arab people. Black American will not be spiritually guided by the Quran or the Bible.

We have our own prophet, Prophet Harry. We have our own religion named LIFE. We soon will be writing our own religious book.
We have everything the Arabian people have except our country which is in the making.

You need to stop sucking up to the Arabian people now that I have expose how we have been wrong all our lives following behind other people and their ways and customs.

Put the Arabian Quran down. Black Americans are not written about in the Arabian book because we are not Arabian people am I right.

Harry Watley...Good luck!!! You're going to need it!!!! SMH

How many followers do you have...Harry? You're the only one I know of so far.. Chuckle SMH

There are over 1.5 billion Muslims all over the world. That's 20% of the earths population. Did you know that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. Where have you been, Harry? Sounds like your head's been somewhere it shouldn't have been. I bet it stank pretty bad up in there too!!! LOL

Siebra Muhammad...Yes, sister...you are absolutely right...you do profess Islam. But you speak as a Christian. You are right if you say that you are born a Muslim, because the Hon Elijah Muhammad taught us just as Allah tells us in the Qur'an, and that is, our nature is "Muslim." But just because you are born in the nature of "muslim" does not mean that you will grow up as one. Muslim is a label that a lot of people carry. But when not put into practice, if you claim to be Muslim, you're just living a lie. You can hurl as many insults and names at me as you like. Your argument is not with me. Rather, it is with Allah, because I am coming out of the book of Allah with the words I speak. So you are just wasting your time trying to get me to react to insults. It never was about me. Go figure. Oh!!! BTW...that guy who seems to think that he can attract you to him by defending you...what the hell is a "Muhammadan?"

Hello Mr. Madyum,

When you say good luck, I thank you for your good wish because as I am successful some of your good wishing will spill over on to you because it is you and all Black Americans I come to save and set free in a country of our own.

A prophet is not known the amount of followers that he has. A prophet is best known by the truth he says. I don’t have followers yet because you all are not as smart as I am to see and understand the truth of what I’ve been saying.

Lastly, it doesn’t matter to me how many Muslims there in the world and how fast Islam is growing because my Black American people are not Arab people.
Prophet Mohammed is not one of us. He is one of the Arabians am I right.

The same way Mohammed connected his Arabian people to Allah/God is the same way a Black American prophet must connect us to God and that excludes the Arabian Prophet Mohammed because he was not a Black American as we are am I right.

You have been wrong all you life. I am the One.

Switching gears, I will tell you what a Mohammedan is. During the early raise of Islam those that Mohammed converted from paganism where called Mohammedans and this presented a problem for Mohammed. He needed to make clear that he per-se was not the religion.
Religion is the way a specific race of people worship God. So, how Mohammed taught the Arabian people to worship God is through the religion of Islam. Islam is exclusively the religion of the Arabian people like Judaism is the exclusively the religion of the Jewish people and LIFE is exclusively the religion of Black Americans.

So, Mohammed needed to give the newly converted Arabians a name and he invented the name Muslim. When his people asked him what does Muslim mean. Mohammed said it meant one, e.g. an Arabian person, who believes in the will of Allah/God. Since they were pagans they were not practicing a belief in the will of Allah/God.

Three things are tied to Mohammed, the Quran, the religion of Islam and the word Muslim.

Elijah, Wallace and Farrakhan don’t know what I’ve just explained. Their knowledge, wisdom and understanding are not as advanced as mines are Mr. Madyum.

Siebra Muhammad...It really serves no purpose for you to try to inform anyone on what the Hon Elijah Muhammad told his ministers, or anybody else. You were not even born, and the only account that you have, therefore, is what some uninformed person/s told you. You have no way to verify any of this falsehood, so it really makes no sense to continue trying to convince you. You would rather believe what you don't see against living proof. It doesn't frustrate me in the least because it is your life. I'm assuming that it was your parents who imparted this incredulous information to you, no doubt. Please tell me if I'm wrong. I'm not trying to discredit your parents, but it sounds to me based on the information that you've shared with us so far about your parents that they were, at best, inactive members of the NOI during the Hon Elijah Muhammad's era of teaching. There is no credible witness that can validate a claim of Elijah telling his ministers to continue teaching the mythological teachings that we sat under. You can go where ever you wish, but, unless you talk to one of the former ministers who sat at that table with the messenger the night that he held that last meeting with his ministers, and he introduced his son to a lot of the one's who didn't even know whom he was after readmitting him back into the community after expelling him for teaching the same thing that he was teaching until his death (the Qur'an)...one of the ones who followed THEM's teachings, and were obedient to his orders to the letter, and thusly know that after those ministers who were seeking to have Wallace expelled once again, and yet, when THEM heard the tape that they were so eager for him to hear of Wallace teaching pure Islam, he jumped up out of his seat and told them that his son could teach that truth anywhere...then you will hear no more than more lies. But...believe what you want, my sister. Some people aren't happy unless they are being lied to. Allah admonishes us in the Qur'an to verify truth, when He tells us:

O ye who believe! If a wicked person comes to you with any news, ascertain the truth, lest ye harm people unwittingly, and afterwards become full of repentance for what ye have done.
( سورة الحجرات , Al-Hujraat, Chapter #49, Verse #6)

Do you comprehend the meaning of this ayat, or are you adament to argue with Allah? You still have not answered my question that I posed to you some time ago when I asked you why do you think that The Hon Elijah Muhammad advised us to always keep a Qur'an in our possession even though he did not teach us the Qur'an? Are you going to answer the question, and can you answer the question at all? Oh!!! And, BTW, I do forgive you for all the insults and dirty names you've thrown at me. I do understand that, coming from a place other than the place of truth, it's only natural to respond in that manner. What else can you do if you don't know any better? Also, I apologize if I said anything that caused you any injury or harm. I ask Allah to forgive me if I have done so.

The lady asked you a question, Harry...have you taken your meds today? LOL

You should let me be your agent, Harry. We could make a lot of money together. All we gotta' do is go down to LA and let you audition at the Comedy Store, 'cause you are a real funny dude...you know? You are really hillarious, man!!! LOL

Siebra Muhammad...I don't suppose you read the article that I posted in this thread that was taken from a part of the Hon Elijah Muhammad's Savior's Day speech, Feb 26 1974 where he told us that we should be grateful to the white man because of all the good that he has done for us. That doesn't sound like a threat to white America to me. FYI...because he made that statement (just in case you don't know), that's not cowing down to the white man. He was just teaching us reality. His job was to wake us up...not put us to sleep. That speech was taken from an article that was written in the Muhammad Speaks Newspaper, the newspaper of the Nation of Islam that every brother committed to carry under their arms to our people. It wasn't the Final Call. Did you know that the Muhammad Speaks Newspaper ever existed. It might help you to go to some of those old copies of the MS so that you can verify these things that I am telling you. Did your parents store any of the old editions of MS? Did they read MS? Those of us who followed the messenger's teachings made it mandatory...a must reading! If not, there is an abundance of microfiche available of MS at your local Public Library. If would serve you well to do your due dilligence, so that you can cross check your references...agreed?

Some of us are physically living in the 21st century, yet, though we may have been born in the 70's (for instance), we are still living in the slavery, reconstruction, and Jim Crowe era all over again. Some of our people do not know what time it is. It's our time, and yet some of us are still blaming the white man for all our problems while all we do is continue to stay in our own way...stifle our own growth and development. We refuse to let go of small thinking, and develop as a people...as human beings.

Allah(swt) ALONE IS DOMINATE BY IMAM W.D. MOHAMMED

We find in some religions that Satan is believed to have power nearly equal to Allah(swt), but in Islam, Satan is not presented in that way. It is important that we look at how the Holy Qur'an treats the significance of the devil, Satan himself.Allah(swt) tells us that Satan's power is not as big as you think it is. He says that Satan's only power is the power to seduce. This lets us know that man can resist Satan. You don't have to be seduced.Allah(swt) says, "Fight the army (friends) of Satan, for surely his plot is weak."

In Islam, Satan is no supernatural power figure that I cannot battle against. He is inferior and weaker than I am. He can only reach me when I drop my Allah(swt) ALONE IS DOMINATE BY IMAM W.D. MOHAMMED

We find in some religions that Satan is believed to have power nearly equal to Allah(swt), but in Islam, Satan is not presented in that way. It is important that we look at how the Holy Qur'an treats the significance of the devil, Satan himself.Allah(swt) tells us that Satan's power is not as big as you think it is. He says that Satan's only power is the power to seduce. This lets us know that man can resist Satan. You don't have to be seduced.Allah(swt) says, "Fight the army (friends) of Satan, for surely his plot is weak."

In Islam, Satan is no supernatural power figure that I cannot battle against. He is inferior and weaker than I am. He can only reach me when I drop my Vgiven weaponry. As long as I keep my Allah's (swt) given weaponry, he is no match for me. And the best help, not only against the subtleties of Satan, but also against the subtleties of my own good nature, is to remember Allah(swt). Sometimes our good nature can deceive and fascinate us. Some people look at themselves in the mirror, and actually die right there. Whether it is the subtleties of Satan or other subtleties, Allah(swt) says, "The remembrance of Allah(swt)is the greatest power. "

Allah is the Owner of everything in the Heavens and in the Earth. All power and glory is a possession resting entirely in His control. He created everything, and has power over all. He denies dominance to all who seek it. History teaches us that at one time the British Empire sought dominance over all the nations of the world. There used to be a saying, "The Sun never sets on the British empire." But, did they gain complete dominance over all the nations? No, they always had resistance, and they were not successful. In time they had to pull back their big fleet and other great forces from the lands of other people.

I repeat, Allah denies dominance to all who seek it. "Take heed America. " It is not accepted that associates or partners share the rule over creation or the universe with Allah. God says that the Muslim is to hold to the spirit and purpose of his position. He has not called us to be nationalist or racist. He has called us for a more noble and bigger aim. He reminds us that our contention is not with anyone but the unjust, the oppressor.

If Allah(swt) tells the Muslim that our contention, our protest, our campaign is not aimed at anyone but the oppressors and the unjust, then I have to accept that. I cannot say that Muslims are put on this earth to have some kind of Holy War with Christians or Jews. That is not our purpose. We are not here to fight Christianity until there is no more Christianity, and we certainly are not here to fight Judaism until it is driven off of the earth.

Allah(swt) has said that if He wanted us as one people or nation, He would have done so. And furthermore, Allah(swt)obligated Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and his followers to protect the sacred places of the Christians and the Jews. We are to cooperate with them for the great destiny of man intended by our Lord. I know I am going to get some negative responses to the above statements, but I don't mind. The earth is too small for this petty thing that some of us are trying to keep up. Of course Allah(swt) has made known to us that among the People of the Book are some who busy themselves in wickedness.

By the term "People of the Book" is meant the Jews and Christians, and perhaps some other religious groups that were known and accepted as legitimate religious groups that had received Revelation from Allah(swt) prior to the time when the Holy Qur'an was being revealed. Our religion brings our attention to that fact of wickedness among the People of the Book. However, we must give greater attention to those among them that share with us the same Allah's(swt)-given spirit, and the same Allah(swt)-given aspiration for the fulfillment of human potential and excellence.
Allah(swt) ALONE IS DOMINATE BY IMAM W.D. MOHAMMED

About Fard being God in the flesh, is this based on his statement that he was the Son of Man? Or is there more to it than that?

Mr. Madyum,

I believe that you really want to be an up-right man. So, I’ll say this. You rain-down of Siebra saying that all she does is hurl insults at you right. But, you want her to reason and address the facts of what you are saying am I right.

However, you do the same thing to me. You are not addressing that Islam can’t be your religion because you are not an Arab man. I based this truth on the fact that we are racially two different people. But, what you do is hurl insults at me when you ask it h have taken my meds am I right.

It is alright to believe what is not true until the truth comes to you, because you didn’t know any better. But, now I’ve told you the truth. You must put Islam and Prophet Mohammed down and pick-up your own prophet and religion

So, you are not as up-right as you think you are. You are a little dirty and crocked on the inside. You need to straighten yourself out Mr. Madyum.

You must not be a shame or fearful to deal with me up-rightly.

Mr. El Ameen,

What good are these Arabian questions are to you and every one else when you and no one else here are Arab people?

You love the Arabian people as much as the Christians love the Jewish people. Why don’t you try loving your Black American selves for a change and a permanent change at that?

Steve,

Mr. Fard Muhammad was an Arabian man who was a follower of Prophet Muhammad himself, but some how ignorant Elijah Muhammad believed that he was God in the flesh as the Christians believe that the Jewish Jesus was God in the flesh.

All 41 million Black Americans are some extremely ignorant people and now that we have produced our prophet things are going to change on Biblical portion. Black Americans are going to become intelligent people and a sovereign people in a country of our own.

Can’t you see we are ignorant people when Siebra, Mr. El Ameen and Mr. Madyum are all Black Americans, but they are arguing about Arabian things when they should be arguing about their own things am I right.

A.B. Maydun, it seems that with all the information presented to you about Wallace, you still need to be assisted. What has Wallace done for the rise of the Blackman here in North America? Seriously! What has Wallace really done? Wallace has NOT DONE A THING for the rise of the Blackman; yet was eager to attack his Father who was doing it ALL!!! Did Wallace think that he would be forgiven for his sins after he so called "exposed" the imperfections of his father? NO. That is a thought of a complete idiot. To do wrong to bring someone else down. However what you and others who think like you are missing is that while you’re shooting bullets at a bullet proof vest, Abdul, Saneeder, and I are like the folks on "Law and Order" solving the case.

Most of YOU KNEW Wallace was not being truthful, however you still decided to support falsehood. For those that knew the falsehood and willingly turned away from truth in support of falsehood, woe unto you! Every lie that you continue to support is as logs to a fire. I suggest you start bearing witness to truth concerning this matter by operating from logic and not smokes and bull****.

Everything I said about Wallace is correct. He was a liar and a hypocrite. You can't get around it. Wallace went down in history, as one who turned against a divine Messenger (his biological father). He wanted so badly to sit in the seat of the Messenger but he couldn't, he knew it. So like the little weasel that he was, he went to the media talking about the Messenger's other women/wives as if that changes anything. It's a fact that he went to the media complaining about the Messenger having women. Do I need to post a Youtube video that show you that? He went to the white media because he wanted to bring the Messenger down, but he couldn't.

Just to show you how bad of hypocrite he was...when he left the Messenger, supposedly because he found out about other women the Messenger had, he turned to Sunni Islam and the belief that Prophet Muhammad of Arabia was last Messenger, yet we know that Prophet Muhammad had many wives himself! Wallace was a hypocrite, and there is no other way to cut it!

By the way, yes, I along with my parents subscribe and read the Muhammad Speaks as well as The Final Call newspaper. In fact, we have a copy of the very first issue of the Muhammad Speaks newspaper. The Muhammad Speaks and Final Call are excellent newspapers in my opinion.

Siebra Muhammad...Oh well!!! You asked, so here goes. This is just a partial list of what Imam W. Deen Mohammed has done at your request.

Honors

-In 1975 he led the largest mass conversion to Islam in the history of the United States of America, when he led the Lost Found Nation of Islam in the West to mainstream Islam.
-On October 30, 1977 He received the Key to the city of Detroit, Michigan from the then Mayor of Detroit Coleman Young, along with a Proclamation declaring October 30, 1977 Wallace D. Muhammad Day in Detroit.
-Selected by Ebony Magazine as one of its 100 Most Influential Black Americans in 2002.
-On February 26, 2010, Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm, Wayne County Executive, Robert Ficano, and Mayor Bing of Detroit issued proclamations marking February 26 as Imam Warith Deen Mohammed Day.
-Walter P. Reuther Humanitarian Award
-1992, 1993 - President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt honored Warith Deen Mohammed with "The Gold Medal of Recognition" for his religious work in the United States.
-1994 - Cup of Compassion award from Hartford Seminary in Hartford, Connecticut on December 9, 1994
-1997 - Focolare Movement "Luminosa Award for Unity"
-1999 - United States Department of State: Certificate of Appreciation, awarded on May 17, 1999
-2003 - Mohammed received an Honorary Doctorate degree from the Internet Islamic University in New York City
-2003 - Sojourner-Douglass College in Baltimore, Maryland awarded him an Honorary Doctorate in Humane Letters
-2005 - Council of American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) Leadership Award
In eulogizing Warith Deen Mohammed on CNN blogs, Ahmed Rehab Executive Director of CAIR-Chicago, called him "America's Imam."

Publications

Books authored

-The Teachings of W. D. Muhammad, Muhammad's Mosque #2, Chicago, Illinois, 1975
-The Lectures of Emam W. D. Muhammad, Muhammad's Mosque #2, Chicago, Illinois, 1976
-Book of Muslim Names, The Honorable Elijah Muhammad Mosque #2, Chicago, Illinois, February 1976
-The Man and the Woman in Islam, The Honorable Elijah Muhammad Mosque #2, Chicago, Illinois, February 1976
-As the Light Shineth from the East, W.D.M. Publications, Chicago, Illinois, 1980
-Prayer and Al-Islam, Muhammad Islamic Foundation, Chicago, Illinois, 1982, Library of Congress Card Number: 82-61077
-Religion on the Line, W.D.M. Publications, Chicago, Illinois, 1983
-Imam W. Deen Muhammad speaks from Harlem, N.Y. Book 1, W. D. M. Publications, 1984
-Imam W. Deen Muhammad speaks from Harlem, N.Y.: Challenges That Face Man Today Book 2, 1985
-Meeting The Challenge: Halal Foods for Our Everyday Needs, The Honorable Elijah Muhammad Masjid, Chicago, Illinois, 1986
-An African American Genesis, M.A.C.A. Publication Fund, Chicago, Illinois, 1986, Library of Congress Card Number: 86-63266
-Focus on Al-Islam: Interviews with Imam W. Deen Mohammed, Zakat Publications, Chicago, Illinois, Dec. 1988, Library of Congress Card Number: 89-090728
-Al-Islam: Unity, and Leadership, The Sense Maker, Chicago, Illinois, 1991, Library of Congress Card Number: 91-061449, ISBN 1-879698-00-5
-Worst Oppression Is False Worship "The Key Is Tauheed-Oneness of Allah," W.D.M. Publications, Chicago, Illinois, 1991
-Growth for a Model Community in America, W.D.M. Publications, Chicago, Illinois, 1995
-Islam's Climate for Business Success, The Sense Maker, Chicago, Illinois, 1995, Library of Congress Card Number: 95-071105, ISBN 1-879698-01-3
-Mohammed Speaks, W.D.M. Publications, Chicago, Illinois, 1999
-Blessed Ramadan - The Fast of Ramadan
-Plans for a Better Future: Peace, Inclusion and International Brotherhood
-The Schemes Of Satan the Enemy of Man
-The Champion We Have In Common: The Dynamic African American Soul Books 1, 2, 3, & 4, -The Mosque Cares Publications, August 2005
-A Time for Greater Communities Vol. 1-4
-Securing our Share of Freedom
-Prayer in al-Islam, A Learner's Guide w/Instructional CD, WDM Publications, Chicago, Illinois, 2007
-Return to Innocence: Transitioning of the Nation of Islam, The Sense Maker, Chicago, Illinois, 2007
-Life The Final Battlefield, W.D.M. Publications, Chicago, Illinois, 2008

Pamphlets

-A Look At W. Deen Mohammed: Muslim American Spokesman for Human Salvation, A Ministry of W. Deen Mohammed Publication, Chicago, Illinois, 1993

Video and audio presentations

Imam W. Deen Mohammed: "Systems of Knowledge", Muslim News Magazine, recorded as a television special by MNM during the 1994 Islamic Convention in Washington, DC. This classroom lecture was delivered in front of more than 200 Imams and scholars at the Renaissance Hotel. "Systems of Knowledge" is a classroom presentation on the essence of Quranic Arabic and its meaning to all mankind. This presentation marked the only time that Imam Mohammed allowed cameras into one of his private Imam classes. RT: 60 minutes. 1994.

I thought I had posted this earlier in this thread. Didn't you read it, or did you just reject it as conjecture. All you have to do is to do your own research. Oh, that's right...your research comes from your friends. I'm sure that they are notable subjects.

What have you done for anybody lately is the real question, Sabriebra Muhammad? Why don't you just stop. You can't discredit this man. Even some of the Mullahs, and great religious leaders in the East wanted Imam Mohammed to come and teach them because they already knew that there were negro Muslims in America like yourself who don't appreciate sound leadership. Stop making a fool out of yourself! Quit while you're behind, sister!

Hold up....
Madyun said :You should let me be your agent, Harry. We could make a lot of money together. All we gotta' do is go down to LA and let you audition at the Comedy Store, 'cause you are a real funny dude...you know? You are really hillarious, man!!! LOL

Sunday, April 21st 2013 at 11:24PM
A.B. Madyun

Merrill Artis Says: Back off... this here Prophet Gig is mines and Harry's ... We Got This....
((LOL))

Siebra Muhammad...Imam Mohammed sat on the World Rabitat Council as did Jamil El-Amin. Oh well...why even share this with you. You wouldn't know what that is anyway!!! it's probably not BLACK enough for you. Do you even know what it is to be human? We should love who we are ethnically, but above all, we are to recognize ourselves in terms of humanity, and demonstrate our own humanities. Are you familiar, or is that over your head too? Is that too deep for you? Match Imam Mohammed's accomplishments halfway and then come back and talk to me!! LOL

Cynthia Merrill Artis...LOL :7)

Siebra Muhammad...You said:

"...Do I need to post a Youtube video that show you that? He went to the white media because he wanted to bring the Messenger down, but he couldn't..."

No...you don't need to post anything. I was there when he said this. But this was common knowledge to all us insiders. It didn't stop anyone from following Messenger Muhammad, and it didn't stop him either. It was Malcolm who saw Elijah as a god, as it seems like you do also. Malcolm worshipped The Messenger as though he were a god, so it was a big letdown when he found out about the paternity issues. But Malcolm was way ahead of this time, and because your understanding is so weak, I'd better kinform you quick that we all recognize Malcolm as an honorable, and marvelously esteemed figure in our history. If we (you and I) are talking about the same Muhammad Speaks Newspaper, that first copy would be dated 1957, and not Silas Muhammad's MS which would be after 1975. I'm just sayin'...just checkin', because I want to make sure that we're on the same page in this conversation because what you've brought here so far is no less than highly questionable. FYI...You are going to have to retract your statement where you said that Wallace left his father for the Sunni path, because there are already credible witnesses, and it's already a part of our history that though Wallace was expelled by his father from the Nation twice, both times he returned and was reinstated as one of his father's ministers by his father. He knew about these babies far before any of these events. It seems so strange that you think you're such an expert on the subject when most likely you weren't even born, or thought about during these occurences...either that, or you were still in diapers when all these events went down. You are still skating around my question to you about the Qur'an, and Elijah Muhammad's advice for us to have one in all of our possessions at all times. Are you going to answer the question, or are you afraid that you'll offer something foolish on that subject. This is just most unusual for a person to argue so adamently on a subject that is purely conjecture for them. There hasn't been one shread of evidence presented on your behalf in this conversation yet. When do you plan to actually qualify any of these ridiculous statements? I'll answer that for you...you can't, because the evidence for your claims don't exist. End of story. You wouldn't make a good lawyer. If you ever entertain the idea of becoming one, don't bother. Stick to your teacher's aide job...OK? LOL

For that matter, all of us worshipped THEM as though he were a god. Wallace was quite in awe of his father as well. But he was also very advanced, and he followed his father's orders very strictly. That is one of the reasons why he was chosen to lead this community long before any novices knew that he would be the one. It was already decided by Master Fard before he was evben born. See...you don't know the history, so it's virtually impossible for you to even attempt to tell someone's history who actually lived it. You only make yourself look very foolish in these vain attempts to discredit someone that one of your unqualified contacts poisoned your mind about. If I were you I would be very careful in what I say about someone based on guesses, and misinformation from evil haters of truth.

Wallace went down in the historical account of scummy street n*ggas who like to waste their time hating on other African Americans that they are jealous of because these people who they are hating on were loved, admired, and respected by people from every corner of the globe. This is the respect that Imam Mohammed received, and it matters not that you don't like it. He was in Allah's favor for the good works that he left behind. What do you have to claim? Nothing but BS!!! LOL SMH

Ok... Im gonna ask this question and I may not like the response... BUT here goes..
@Madyun
Why the conflict with Siebra?....

I'd really like to know about Fard being God in the flesh. I can look it up but there must be someone in the group that can provide a better answer. Was it based entirely on his statement that he was the Son of Man or is there more to it? I don't know any of these events you are all talking about, but this seems to be a point of contention and I'm curious about the basis for God in the flesh vs. God in the spirit.

Irma Robinson,...Ameen!!!!

Cynthia Merrill Artis...That's a question for Siebra. There's no conflict on this side for obvious reason. I'm backing everything that I'm telling her for strictly educational purposes. I have no reason to conflict with her because she is arguing with facts, not with me. I haven't made this conversation about me at all. I'm not here to show out, or convince someone of how intelligent I am. I'm just attempting to be a servant here, and impart information that may eventually help her in the long run. If she continues to refuse help, then I'm not too proud to leave her in her confused state.

If this is not educational to Siebra, hopefully it will educate somebody else, insha Allah (G_d willing).

Everyone is not open to truth. It tends to step on toes just by it's very nature. Allah (G_d) Himself tells us in the Qur'an:

Nay, We hurl the Truth against falsehood, and it knocks out its brain, and behold, falsehood doth perish! Ah! woe be to you for the (false) things ye ascribe (to Us).
(H.Q., Al-Anbiya, 21:18)

Irma, I ask the question because there are two uses of "Son of Man" in the Bible that conflict. The one is as a title of Jesus Christ and is used in the context of "Savior". But the earlier use is illustrated in Ezekiel, where God repeatedly addresses Ezekiel as "Son of Man".

Ezekiel 2:1-8
New International Version (NIV)
Ezekiel’s Call to Be a Prophet

2 He said to me, “Son of man,[a] stand up on your feet and I will speak to you.” 2 As he spoke, the Spirit came into me and raised me to my feet, and I heard him speaking to me.

3 He said: “Son of man, I am sending you to the Israelites, to a rebellious nation that has rebelled against me; they and their ancestors have been in revolt against me to this very day. 4 The people to whom I am sending you are obstinate and stubborn. Say to them, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says.’ 5 And whether they listen or fail to listen—for they are a rebellious people—they will know that a prophet has been among them. 6 And you, son of man, do not be afraid of them or their words. Do not be afraid, though briers and thorns are all around you and you live among scorpions. Do not be afraid of what they say or be terrified by them, though they are a rebellious people. 7 You must speak my words to them, whether they listen or fail to listen, for they are rebellious. 8 But you, son of man, listen to what I say to you. Do not rebel like that rebellious people; open your mouth and eat what I give you.”

Footnotes:

Ezekiel 2:1 The Hebrew phrase ben adam means human being. The phrase son of man is retained as a form of address here and throughout Ezekiel because of its possible association with “Son of Man” in the New Testament.

So did Fard mean by Son of Man that man (Adam) was a black man and he Fard was a son of the black man who is the origin of humanity?

@Madyun.... ok... thank you for your response...
I think Islam is fascinating... My only problem is... there are so many diverse divisions between the two... It's confusing... NOI, ****ti, Sunni....

Iz a Christian lady.... I follow the teachings of pagan Christianity (as Robert would say)

Mr. Madyum,

I am hurling facts at you as you are hurling facts at Siebra. What facts you are hurling at Siebra has everything to do with the details of how Wallace become the head of the NOI upon Elijah’s death while at the same time our Black American people were being mis-led by the religious ideology that the NOI is the answer to Black America’s problems of subjugation and racism in this country.

I said that Mr. Fard mis-led Elijah and Elijah in turn unwittingly mis-led our people. Black Americans has no business with anything of the Arabian people because Black Americans are not Arabian people. Black Americans must get our own from God the same way the Arabians got their Prophet Mohammed and the Islamic religion form God. Black Americans must get our own prophet and religion from God.

I can’t be wrong since all that you all can do is reply with mockery and stupid that I am delusional and on meds. You all are some mentally poor people.

Everything that I am saying id going to materialize in time because it is true. Black America’s problem can never be resolved by following the ways, religion and customs of the Arabian people.

How smart could you all Muslims and Christians be arguing with each other over what belongs to the Arabian and Jewish people and we Black Americans are neither Arabians nor are we Jewish people. Why can’t you all stop following the other and converting what other people has?

A. B. Maydun, you're right about one thing, I was not born until 1981, and didn't have the honor of meeting the Messenger of Allah personally, however, I have met with people that were right in the inner circle of what was going on during that time. Yes, I am talking about the same Muhammad Speaks Newspaper, dated 1957. Brother Karim (publisher of Muhammad Speaks newspaper) and his wife are close friends of my family, and my father happens to be one of the contributing writers for the Muhammad Speaks...Bro. Karim and his wife praised my family for being "one of the most gifted and believing Muslim families he has had the pleasure of meeting." I say this to let you know you need not go so far in your attempts to discredit me, to draw such attention to me...yes, I was a teacher's aid before advancing to a school administrator, and what's wrong with that, as long as I'm making an honest living? I notice that you haven't attempted to discredit other commentators on this board as harshly as you are doing me...is it because you fear me and what I know?

Getting back to Wallace, ever heard of the Freedom of Information Act? It reveals many file from the FBI that said this hypocrite was their chosen hand picked flunkie. Also the Newspaper: "The Chicago Defender" had an article entitled "HOW FBI SOUGHT TO RUIN MUSLIMS." SATURDAY, JUNE 10 1978, they chose Wallace D. Mohammad to be the Leader that would destroy the Nation Of Islam for his FBI handlers after the Messenger was gone. The man who chose him (Wallace D. Mohammad) to be their man was Marlin Johnson, Headed the Chicago Office of the FBI. With Wallace D. Mohammad as their hand picked flunkie, all of there efforts was to make this rotten hypocrite the one who would take over the Nation Of Islam. So he could lead the Muslims in the direction that the FBI wanted them to go in, and we see what that was today. They wanted the Nation to be like the Sunni Muslims so they could control them, this is the legacy of Wallace D. Mohammad (that you continuously fail to comprehend). His job was to oppose the Black Man and Woman from obtaining Freedom from our 400+ years long bondage here in America. He was with the enemy of the Black Man and Woman of America, anyone who knows anything about the Nation Of Islam and it's history, knows this to be true.

Wallace D. Mohammad was a traitor to the Nation of Islam. He wanted leadership so bad that he would do anything and everything for that leadership. He is a hypocrite because he once was the Minister for his father in Philadelphia and he said that he believed in the teachings of his father, but he was lying. That is something that a Hypocrite cannot stop himself from doing, lying to people. He even lied when he first took over as Leader, by saying that he was not going to "Chance Direction of the Nation of Islam," we all know that was a lie!

I don't know if you know it or not, but a Hypocrite is one who says he or she believe in your cause, then later they say that they don't believe. That fits Wallace D. Mohammad to the Letter. A Rotten No-Good Lying Hypocrite. You Sunni Muslims can say what you want, but Wallace's actions are on the page of our history, and history will always show him as a traitor to his people and a Hypocrite to Islam as taught to the Black Man and Woman of America by his father the Honorable Elijah Muhammad the Messenger of Allah.

As far as my answer to your question to me about the Qur'an, and Elijah Muhammad's advice for us to have one in all of our possessions at all times. Yes, he did say that, however once you get to the end of the last page, you’ve reached your limitation. The Blackman and Black Woman have the power to supersede any book if he or she would only wake up and think for themselves.

It is my hypothesis that Wallace's mission has been:

To be an informant of the FBI until 1978 and cause a split within the organization of NOI.

To lend a hand to the FBI in the murder of Malcolm X. Wallace (not Minister Farrakhan as many of you would like to believe) needed to get rid of Malcolm so he could take over and 'destroy' the Nation.

During the period 1975 to 1978 his job was to attempt to stop Minister Farrakhan from taking the NOI towards real Islam.

When his mission against Minister Farrakhan failed, his job was to reorganize NOI and make it a barrier in the propagation of Islam in America, particularly in the white population.

To attract anti-U.S. Government elements to a point where they become known, watched and possibility eliminated.

To attract anti-U.S. leaders in the Middle East and Africa to an American “Muslim leader” they can trust and open their hearts to, so that the CIA can obtain reports about their intentions and activities.

with your OFF SUBJECT--Divide and diverson TACTICS on the w.d. muhammad SUBJECT ---- i ignore you there just as my wise brother AB Madyun DOES you ask about Fard?----elijah? and that siebraTrash is referring to a deadMan and disrespecting a GREAT AMERICAN............join AB MADYUN and i in denouncing the COWARDICE and INDECENCY of those nonHumans.... OR i KNOW that your diversion has made you, in my opinion, the BIGGEST 'blackWhite'***** at BIA

Thank you Sanender. Yes I do believe that God is in us. I am just trying to understand what Elijah believed, Robert seems only able to give me the runaround.

Hello to all,

When Elijah died the NOI died as well because it was wrong and misleading to Black Americans from the start.

Black Americans joined the NOI in droves because of one reason only. Black Americans believed that Elijah was our final and permanent answer to White America’s oppression and suppression of us. The teachings were radical and new to Black Americans. Black Americans just wanted to get away from White Americans, period.

Mr. Fard Muhammad filled Elijah’s head with a lot of religions junk and radical thinking that the White man was the devil. These radical teachings fitted perfectly in the era of Marcus Garvey’s teachings of the 30’s and 40’s right into the 50’s and 60’s of Elijah’s teachings. Elijah’s teachings became very appealing to Black Americans at that time especially since Marcus Garvey was on his way out.

However, all of them were wrong because God was not with any of them. God was with none of them because none of them were a prophet to Black Americans. They all had the religious ideology of other people and that would mean they were not prophets of Black America. Marcus Garvey believed in the Jewish Jesus. Fard Muhammad believed in Mohammed, and Elijah made up an off shoot of his own version of Islam. Therefore, none thing any of them had was exclusively for Black Americans.

Our genuine prophet will have nothing that belongs to or came from another people. Our genuine will have what belong to only Black Americans.

So, when Wallace took over the NOI he knew nothing else to do but lead the NOI to traditional Islam. Farrakhan knew nothing else but to try and keep alive Elijah’s teachings.

And, here we are today in the same perdicument as we were before Elijah died and these stupid-ass Muslims are arguing about what the NOI has done for Black America. Since we are still in the same perdicument then please tell me what the hell have the NOI done for Black Americans. The NOI has not done a damn thing for Black Americans.

Irma Robinson..."O.K. IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET AN ANSWER TO THIS AND I MAYBEE ABLE TO FIND SOME OF WHAT I AM AFTER ON MY VERY OWN...WAS THE 'ORIGINAL NOI SUNNI OR SHIITI?...

THANKS IF A TRUCE CAN BE CALLED LONG ENOUGH TO HELP AN OUT SIDER TRYING TO LEARN SOMETHING ABOUT THE 'NOI' (SMILE)"

That's a very good and intelligent question. The Nation of Islam was a nationalistic movement, and was in no way connected with the orthodox methodology that connects the revelation of Qur'an by Allah (G-d) through the angel, Jibril (Gabriel) to Prophet Muhammad of 1,400 years ago.

“THE EVOLUTION OF THE THE NATION OF ISLAM"

The Nation of Islam was founded by Master W.F. Fard Muhammad on July 4, 1930 in Detroit, Michigan. He was believed to have been born in the Holy City of Mecca, Saudi Arabia on February 26, 1877, but in reality, he was born in Lahore Pakistan. He came here to the United States via the Fiji Islands where he had lived for a time. It has been recorded that Master Fard Muhammad was in and out of America, for some twenty (20) years prior to making his presences known to the Lost-Found black man and black woman of America whom he called the ‘Lost Tribe of Shabazz’. He said, “My name is W. F. Muhammad, I came to North America by myself" to reclaim and redeem black people whom he referred to as his 'uncle' he stated, "My uncle (referring to the African American) was brought over here by the Trader 379 years ago; my uncle can not talk his own language”; “he doesn’t know he is my uncle" Master Fard Muhammad claimed to have been from the Quraish tribe of Mecca, the same ethnic group that Prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessings of Allah be Upon Him) belonged. (Reference: Elijah Muhammad; “Student Enrollment lessons for Register Muslims only).

He arrived in Detroit, Michigan and took on many aliases such as W.D Fard, Wallace Fard Muhammad, W.F. Muhammad, and Wallace Douglas Ford (the false identity the FBI imposed on him during their cointelpro campaign that they launched against him), etc., to protect his identity, but he began to teach door-to-door in one of the worst ghettos in America at that time in Detroit known as Paradise Valley. Moreover, many African Americans had migrated from the Deep South—Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, Georgia, etc., to big urban metropolis like Detroit (Chicago, New York, Washington, DC, Newark, Baltimore) escaping racism, Jim Crow laws and were in search of economic, political and social relief and mobility.

Many of these blacks were steeped in the Christian tradition; in particular the Pentecostal Church tradition---where salvation involved fire and brimstone sermons, Holy Ghost experiences, shouting, healing, speaking in tongues, anointing, etc., were common religious practices in the Christian Southern tradition. This was the Christian tradition we lived and the Bible was literally interpreted and there was no compromise when it came to God (the father), Jesus (the Son) and Holy Ghost. They often attended Church services seven (7) days a week and many blacks took these social and cultural norms with them to the north. Thus, we witness the southern rural backwoods church transition evolved into the storefront churches in the new urban cities. (Reference: C. Eric Lincoln: “Race Religion and the Continuing American Dilemma”)

This background is important to understanding the black religious experience in America and how other social and religious institutions formulated. The sociologist C. Eric Lincoln perhaps in 1961 wrote one of the most definitive books on the Nation of Islam and Black Muslim movement; titled, "The Black Muslims in America". Lincoln had acquired a Ph.D in theology from Boston University and was given some access by the Honorable Elijah Muhammad to carryout his scholarly investigation by being allowed to attend Mosque (Temple) meetings in the Boston area, to talk with Muslim believers, and had reasonable access to the Nation of Islam leadership. (Reference: C. Eric Lincoln: “The Black Muslims in America; third edition).

Minister Malcolm X, the National Representative of Elijah Muhammad who had spent considerable time in the Boston area organizing Temple Number 12 and it was Malcolm X who recommended and named Louis X (Farrakhan) as the Minister over the Boston Temple and he also gave interviews to C. Eric Lincoln.

Minister Abdul Akbar Muhammad is believed to be one of the prolific Nation of Islam historians who gave a series of lectures in New York City at Muhammad’s Mosque Number 7 in the 1980s, titled, "A Concise History of Nation of Islam". This writer considers himself an authority on the Nation of Islam's history. This writer was sort of disappointed that he never published the book on the history of the Nation of Islam as he promised. Minister Abdul Akbar Muhammad was recruited by Minister Malcolm X in the late 1950s and/or early 1960s and worked and served in the ministry class under Minister Malcolm X. (Reference: Abdul Akbar Muhammad: :Audio tapes “A Brief History of the Nation of Islam")

He is also reported to be a walking encyclopedia when it comes to the Nation of Islam history—he readily has names, dates, and events in his memory bank and can recall Nation of Islam history of forty-five years just like it was yesterday. There are many international Muslims and Nation of Islam critics who are spewing misinformation and false propaganda against the Nation of Islam; reading books written by Zionist Jews, black pundits, and from inaccurate Internet Blog sites and gathering false information about the Nation of Islam as though they are speaking with authoritative voices. Minister Akbar Muhammad is a long time friend and loyalist of Minister Farrakhan.

Dr. C. Eric Lincoln lived and worked in Durham, North Carolina at Duke University as a professor emeritus. He coined the phrase "Black Muslim" and although many Nation of Islam members historically speaking took issue with his book and his historical contentions, it still remains as the first scholarly dissertation ever written on the Nation of Islam. Both Minister Louis Farrakhan and Imam Warith Mohammed considered Dr. Lincoln as a friend of Islam. (Reference: Jabril Muhammad; This is This One: The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad; We Need Not Look for Another!”).

Master Fard Muhammad used the Holy Bible and the Holy Qur'an, and introduced the Muhammad Ali translation of the Holy Qur'an and in America the Yusuf Ali translation of the Holy Qur'an was widely accepted amongst American Muslims. The Ahmadiyya Movement followers of Gullam Ahmed were the first Eastern group of Muslims who befriended blacks and made an attempt to introduce Islam to African Americans. Master Fard Muhammad based on American standards of race categorization looked white and Caucasian, but Elijah Muhammad taught that he was a half original man (Asiatic black man). Thus, he had a white mother and a black father. (Reference: Yvonne Yazbeck Haddad and Jane Idleman Smith; “Mission to America: Five Islamic Sectarian Communities in North America”).

In a society where race mattered more in the 1930s than perhaps in 2008, he came like a thief in the night; looking like the dominant white society but had an interest in elevating the African American race from their depressed and downtrodden—social, political and economic condition. He went door to door as a silk salesman teaching black people that before Chattel Slavery (1555-1865) they had a splendid and glorious history under the banner of Islam in the East and were from lineage of royal kings and royal queens. He taught them the importance of adhering to Islamic dietary laws and began to constantly win the confidence of some black people in Paradise Valley. (Reference: Nasir M Hakim: “The True History of Master Fard Muhammad’).

This writer heard Minister Abdul Akbar Muhammad state that prior to Master Fard Muhammad's alleged mysterious disappearance, he had converted over eight thousand blacks to the Islamic religion via the NOI. Some historians maintained that in 1930 or 1931 he met Elijah Poole who was born on October 7, 1897 in Sandersville, Georgia (1897-1975). Poole and his growing family had migrated to Detroit from Macon, Georgia or Sandersville, Georgia. Poole was poor, destitute and unemployed. Poole met Master Fard Muhammad at a public meeting and immediately embraced Master Fard Muhammad teachings and even recognized him as the Savior. (Reference: Abdul Akbar Muhammad: :Audio tapes “A Brief History of the Nation of Islam).

Poole became very close with Master Fard Muhammad who taught Poole for three and one-half years day and night. Master Fard Muhammad initially renamed Elijah Poole, Elijah Kareem and told the believer here is Kareem. Master Fard Muhammad also gave his complete full name, which was Wali Fard Muhammad. In 1934 W.F. Muhammad turned the Nation of Islam's ministry and organization over to Elijah Kareem and according to unreliable sources, Elijah said he accompanied W.F. Muhammad to the Airport where he boarded a flight to Mecca, which to be never seen again and has been cause for a lot of historical speculation over the years. (Reference: Elijah Muhammad: “The Supreme Wisdom: Solution to the so-called Negroes Problem”)

In reality, Master Fard Muhammad probably never left the country at all. He eventually ended up in Chicago where he taught Arabic at the school that was established by Elijah Muhammad's wife, sister Clara Muhammad which she named the University of Islam. The school educated our children from grades K -12. Master Fard's most notable student was Imam W. Deen Mohammed, then known as Wallace. He was, on the advice of Wallace Fard Muhammad, named after him. Master Fard Muhammad later changed his name to Professor Muhammad Abdullah. After the passing of The Hon Elijah Muhammad, in 1979, Imam Mohammed appointed him as Imam at Masjidul Waritheen in Oakland, California. At the time, he was residing with his wife in Hayward California. I first studied Qur'anic Arabic under his son, Zafar Abdullah.

Elijah Kareem eventually changed his surname to Muhammad after his teacher, W.F. Muhammad. Elijah Muhammad experienced serious threats and opposition from internal rival leaders within this fragile organization right after W.F. Muhammad disappeared and these threats eventually forced Muhammad to move out of Detroit and he went from city to city quietly propagating Islam. Two of the old pioneers in Washington, DC back in the early 1980s named Benjamin Muhammad and his wife Clara Muhammad housed Elijah Muhammad back in the late 1930s and early 1940s. The Messenger's life was being threatened by power hungry members jealous of his appointment by Fard as the new leader. This unique couple were probably in their late 80s and 90s then. (Reference: Jabril Muhammad; This is This One: The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad; We Need Not Look for Another!”).

Elijah Muhammad was convicted in 1942 of military draft evasion for refusing to being inducted in the U.S. Arm Forces and fighting in World War 11; although, he was a Conscientious Objector based on being Muslim and believing in the religion of Islam and he was forty-four years of age. He served about five (5) years in a Federal Prison in Milan, Michigan. His wife Clara Muhammad kept the organization alive during his untimely incarceration. (Reference: Clifton E. Marsh: “From Black Muslims to Muslims: The Transition from Separation to Islam 1930-1980).

This writer in about 1993, wrote and published a book on Elijah Muhammad and the Nation of Islam titled, "In Defense of the Defender: The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad" Thus many hours were spent surveying and reading the now vast body of literature on the Nation of Islam evaluating and assessing the gamut of scholarship on the Nation of Islam---from the apologist and pundits perspective. What was interesting was how the Nation of Islam historically sustained itself against United States Government opposition and form mainstream Islam. For example, there were earlier groups like the Moorish Science Temple of America, which was founded by Noble Drew Ali in 1913 in the City of Newark, New Jersey. Ali was the first Black Muslim leader to introduce Islam to black America in a formalized organizational manner. They barely survived after US Government attacks. (Reference: William H. Banks, Jr.; “The Black Muslims”)

The Moors of North Africa had a splendid and glorious history, where Tarik Ibn Zaid in the 8th Century took civilization to Europe who were experiencing the Dark Ages. Some argue that W.F. Muhammad and Elijah Muhammad borrowed a lot of its teachings and theology from Ali and the Moorish Science Temple. Ali was murdered in 1929 and his organization, yet still around, but has not risen to the status of its former glory. (Reference: John G. Jackson and Willis N. Huggins; “A Guide to Studies in African History).

Also, there was Marcus Mosiah Garvey, a Jamaican immigrant who came to America in 1914 and who studied Islam and Pan Africanism under an Egyptian scholar who lived in London named Duce Muhammad Ali and eventually founded the Universal Negro Improvement Association (UNIA). Garvey was inspired by Booker T. Washington, the founder of Tuskegee Institute who preached self-reliance and the importance of blacks embracing vocational and technical training over a classical liberal arts education (Reference: Fahim Knight: Article; "W.E.B DUBOIS AND BOOKER T. WASHINGTON: THE GREAT DEBATE" ).

Some historians make claim that Elijah Muhammad was a member in both the UNIA and the Moorish Science Temple of America. This writer has not fully substantiated such claims. However, there is no doubt that Nation of Islam borrowed some of the Nationalism concepts from these two fore-organizations. Garvey taught "Africa for the Africans at home and abroad" and called for African unity under the banner of “One God, One Aim, and One Destiny”. Garvey purchased ships with the intent of engaging in trade and commerce with Africa. He also was in discussion with the Liberian Government for acquiring land for which to relocate black Americans. (Reference: Amy Jacques-Garvey; “Philosophy and opinions of Marcus Garvey”).

The Federal Bureau of Investigation worked to sabotage Garvey and his UNIA movement. It was a young federal agent named J. Edgar Hoover in the 1920s who worked to prosecute Garvey of mail fraud. Elijah Muhammad taught a religious nationalism that also called for worldwide black unity under the banner of Islam. He also advocated that blacks pursue political, economic and social independence from the dominant white society. He advocated self-reliance above all else and preached thriftiness and the importance of doing-for-self. Muhammad's bootstrapped philosophy resonated with a lot of poor and oppressed blacks in the 1950s and 1960s. Thus, it was not until Minister Malcolm X began to preach and it was his efforts that led to attracting middle class and educated blacks to the Nation of Islam. Mike Wallace of 60 Minutes spearhead a documentary titled, "The Hate, that Hate Produced" and it was this program aired in the early 1960s that brought the Nation of Islam to the national attention of white America. (Reference: Fahim Knight; “In Defense of the Defender: The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad”).

The Nation of Islam experienced its biggest growth periods between the years of 1965-1975, post Minister Malcolm X era. The Nation of Islam under Elijah Muhammad built a 70 million dollar empire by 1975. The Nation of Islam was engaged in millions of dollars international fish trade arrangement with the nation of Peru. Muhammad owned a bank, had a printing press that published the "Muhammad Speaks' newspaper, owned a clothing manufacturing, restaurants and eateries, purchased various real-estate ventures, etc. (Reference: Clifton E. Marsh: “From Black Muslims to Muslims: The Transition from Separation to Islam 1930-1980).

The Nation of Islam's theology from its inception has always been controversial, Muhammad taught religious nationalism and was critical of the white society for the past injustices perpetrated against the black race. It was this black-white dynamic, in particular the racial injustice that was created by Chattel Slavery (1555-1619) that stood as the driving force behind the Nation of Islam's theological worldview. The Nation of Islam's theology was rooted in the black experience and it was designed to address the political reality of a western society that were the purveyors of violence and injustices through out the world. (Reference: Nasir M Hakim; “The True History of Elijah Muhammad: Messenger of Allah”).

Mainstream Islam as practiced in the East and the Islamic world condemned the Nation of Islam's teachings as being heretic and un-Islamic and very much unorthodoxy. But most of the international Islamic leaders: Hafez al Assad, Yassir Arafat, Muammar Qadaffi, and later Muhammad Anwar Sadat all kept a diplomatic and cozy relationship with the Nation of Islam’s patriarch, Elijah Muhammad.

The Hon Elijah Muhammad taught that his teachings could be summed up in six words, "except your own and be yourself." He authored his most definitive treatise in 1965 titled; "Message to the Blackman in America" this book explains the Nation of Islam's theology in great detail. Muhammad taught separation and was opposed to Dr. Martin Luther King's call for integration and Civil Rights. He called integration a hypocritical trick; thus, he proclaimed the black man and woman of America to be the seed of Abraham and chosen of God according to the Bible in the book of Genesis and for that contention, the Zionist Jews back in the early 1960s labeled the Nation of Islam as an anti-Semitic organization. Muhammad said blacks were that people who were in bondage for 400 years who were kidnapped and taking to a strange land--America. (Reference: Elijah Muhammad; “Message to the Black of America”)

J. Edgar Hoover and FBI in the 1960 and 1970s under Cointelpro, a counter-intelligence program sent agent provocateurs and infiltrated to the Nation of Islam in order disrupt and neutralize the leadership. FBI director Hoover was obsessed with the "rise of a black Messiah" that could unify and electrify the masses of black people. Hoover also, spied, wiretapped, and eavesdropped on Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., a non-militant integrationist leader who supported mainstream ideas, but nevertheless he was scrutinized and was constantly under FBI surveillance just like Elijah Muhammad. Through the 1966 Freedom of Information Act some of the FBI Files were released to the public, which Hoover had accumulated massive surveillance documentation on all black leaders and organization from the most conservative to the most radical. (Reference: Baba Zak A. Kondo; “Unraveling the Assassination of Malcolm X”)

Elijah Muhammad died in 1975 and at the Nation of Islam's national Savior's Day Convention, it was publicly announced that Elijah Muhammad's next to the youngest son, Wallace Deen Muhammad would be succeeding his father as the new leader of the Nation of Islam. This decision was publicly endorsed by the Muhammad Royal Family and Nation of Islam ministerial hierarchy.

The younger Muhammad had always had a difficult relationship with his father and his teachings; he was punished numerous times for insubordination and was even ex-communicated a few times for organizational disobedience. Wallace Muhammad after six months of being the leader began to make drastic theological changes and organizational changes--he began to slowly move this once proud Black Nationalist organization toward Sunni Orthodox Islam, it went through various name changes, as well as ideological changes.(Alex Haley: “The Autobiography of Malcolm X”)

Upon assuming the leadership of the Nation of Islam preceding his father's, Imam Mohammed told us, those of us associated with his leadership, that the only changes that would take effect under his leadership would be the theological differences between himself, and his father's. However, he told us that the goals of economic growth that were already established by his father would remain in place. Many of his critics have criticized Imam Mohammed's vision of economic growth and development in this area, refusing to recognize that if consciousness and devotion in worshipping G_d is not included in our economic planning, you cannot achieve success. They accused him of making a bunch of spiritual eunuchs of his followers. His vision of economic direction in no contrast of note ever differed in any way to his father's direction that he set for us as a community.

Minister Silis Muhammad leader of the Lost-Found Nation of Islam in the West declared what he called a "spiritual war" against Imam Mohammed, which he explains in his book Titled, "The Wake of the Nation of Islam". Minister Silis Muhammad actually separated himself from Imam Mohammed prior to Minister Louis Farrakhan who in September of 1978 made a public break from Imam Mohammed's teachings and organization. Both Minister Silis Muhammad and Minister Louis Farrakhan reclaimed Elijah Muhammad's program, theology and mission, which to rebuild the Nation of Islam in Elijah's name. (Reference: Mathias Gardell: “In The Name of Elijah Muhammad: Louis Farrakhan).

However, they both had their own interpretations of Elijah Muhammad's teachings and mission. Minister Silis Muhammad mission took him to Atlanta and Houston and Minister Louis Farrakhan's mission took him to Chicago where he eventually reclaimed a lot of the old real estate and property that were once owned by Elijah Muhammad and the Nation of Islam. Minister Farrakhan purchased most of the properties from Imam Mohammed's bankrupt organization; such as the old cathedral style edifice (once Temple Number 2 owned by Elijah Muhammad), which was refurbished now stands as Farrakhan’s Flagship Mosque on Stony Island Avenue and was renamed Mosque Maryam. Farrakhan also repurchased Elijah Muhammad's home in the Hyde Park section of Chicago. (Reference: Mathias Gardell: “In The Name of Elijah Muhammad: Louis Farrakhan).

Minster Farrakhan perhaps came to national prominence during Reverend Jesse Jackson’s 1984 presidential election and served as the voice that attracted the militant-radical left into supporting Jackson’s campaign for president of the United States of America. Farrakhan was well respected by the black community; he was charismatic and perhaps one of the greatest orators in the history of black America. He stomped for Reverend Jackson and the Rainbow Coalition and Operation PUSH and won Jackson credibility and new allies from the radical left. Jackson had won a few southern political primaries and for a political novice, he was doing quite well against some well financed and formidable opponents. (Reference: A. Marshall; “ Louis Farrakhan: Made in America”)

Most of our people grossly misunderstand the methodology of Imam Mohammed because he was not one of those preachers who would appeal to his people's emotions with a bunch of emotional outbursts. His vision expressed to his audience an appeal to their intellects, in contrast to the fact that our people were used to being emotionally charged by so-called spiritual leaders as we knew them. In effect, this was also the same methodology as his father, yet most of those who experienced his teachings gave me the feeling that they were only there to have some place to go, or they were there because it addressed blackness.

Upon further research, you will find many references of these facts in Imam W. Deen Mohammed's many books, pamphlets, and lectures that reference the subject.

Irma Robinson...Be sure to check out this trailer of a video originally entitled "Lost Found." It has since been re-titled "The Evolution of The Nation of Islam."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=play...

Siebra Muhammad...You said:

"...Getting back to Wallace, ever heard of the Freedom of Information Act? It reveals many file from the FBI that said this hypocrite was their chosen hand picked flunkie. Also the Newspaper: "The Chicago Defender" had an article entitled "HOW FBI SOUGHT TO RUIN MUSLIMS." SATURDAY, JUNE 10 1978, they chose Wallace D. Mohammad to be the Leader that would destroy the Nation Of Islam for his FBI handlers after the Messenge..."

They have this kind of malicious information in their files (if they Have it at all) for people like you. This is the same way that they lured the Panthers into internal warfare between themselves, and it eventually destroyed them. Why don't you just go ahead and admit that you are satisfied into believing that African Americans are independant of all other ethnic communities in cooperating together to build a better world. Your only interest here seems to be the color "black." Some people are so "black" that they can't even see for the presence of "darkness." Their mind is completely void of light, and so it is impossible for any light to enter into their consciousness. If you are satisfied with that philiosophy, I ain't mad at you. It's every rabbit to his habit.

Let me remind you once again what the Hon Elijah Muhammad told his followers. He said that a wise man will change often, but a fool will always remain the same. You are not willing to change from an outdated ideology because Allah has not blessed you...He has not placed it into your heart to understand the need for change.

The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad in his monumental book Message to the Blackman quoted a Mr. Henry Berry, a member of the Virginia House of Delegates in 1832 as saying: “We have as far as possible, closed every avenue by which light may enter the slaves’ mind. If we could extinguish the capacity to see the light, our work would be complete; they would then be on a level with the beast of the field and we should be safe.” Slavery, as brutal as it was, was not able to bring Black people down to such a subhuman state; nor did it break their will to be free, independent, productive members of society.

This last sentence of course only refers to black people in general, and is therefore not intended to blanket all of us. Your mentality bears a strong resemblance to the type of "black" person I'm referencing. Ah!!! but beware...If you continue down this dark road of black supremacy (white supremacy in reverse), you are going to BLACK yourself into complete anihilation.

You are so facetious in assuming that I have a fear of what you say on this page. In all actuality, I invite it because every time you write anything, it further contributes to your ignorance. You claim that your father was on the Muhammad Speaks News staff, but in you intelligencia, you failed to provide his name, or any of these other fictitious characters you claim are your witnesses. If you want to convince some one of the truth, and intelligent person is already aware that proof is needed. I am again advising you to quit while you're behind. I would. You're just making a fool out of yourself. Cut the casualties!!!

Oh...BTW...I just had to add this. This is hilarious. You said:

"...As far as my answer to your question to me about the Qur'an, and Elijah Muhammad's advice for us to have one in all of our possessions at all times. Yes, he did say that, however once you get to the end of the last page, you’ve reached your limitation. The Blackman and Black Woman have the power to supersede any book if he or she would only wake up and think for themselves..."

Yes, he did say that. But he didn't say that crazy **** you added at the end. That isn't even logic. Your imagination needs a complete overhaul. You are funny. CHUCKLE!!! SMH

Mr. Madyum,

I told you earlier that prophets are racially different. Prophets connects only their people to God as well as connecting God to their people.
For example, Prophet Mohammed did just that. He connected only the Arabian people to God and connected God to his Arabian people. And, it is the people themselves (Arabian people) that produce a man worthy of God’s anointing that becomes the genuine prophet of the people and now God is in the midst of the Arabian people to resolve their problem. Their problem was pagan worship.

I am saying all this to stress how important a prophet is in the equation and that the must match the race of his people and the people must match the race of the prophet.

This is how it was with the Moses and the Children of Israel and Mohammed and the Arabian people.

However, it did go this same way for Black Americans. For instance, Mr. Fard Muhammad who first came to Elijah was not a Black American as Elijah was am I right. If Rard was a prophet he couldn’t be Black America’s prophet because he was not the same race as Black Americans are and therefore Black Americans did not produce this man, Mr. Fard Muhammad.
If Mr. Fard was God in the flesh as you all use to believe and as Siebra presently believe shows the depth of our ignorance and stupid to believe a Pakistan man can be Elijah’s God.

My point is that the format for us receiving supposedly receiving God did not go the same way as it went for the Jewish and Arabian people when God came to them and this is the point you all keep running from, but this my point is going to catch up with all of you all in just a matter of time.

The only one that could bring this kind of light to us would have to be our own genuine prophet am I right.

You all can not get around the fact that prophets are racially different and you see that all prophets matched their own race and not of the men we claim as our prophet matches our Black American race am I right. Therefore, something is wrong with you all ideology and direction.

Incidentally, Siebra is right, but I don’t think she know that she is right when she say we can supersede the Quran. That is true for Black Americans because the Quran is not our book. The book that we can not supersede is our own book because our own book is about us and we will be writing our own book soon as the Arabian people wrote the Quran.

I googled you info on how the FBI sought to ruin the NOI using Wallace, and this is what I found.

http://vvv.farrakhanfactor.com/clients/Fac...

Before even clicking onto the referenced article, this is one of the notations on the headline:

"...SATURDAY, JUNE 10 1978, where it said that first the FBI was ... so they Chose Wallace D Mohammad to be the Leader that would Destroy the Nation Of Islam for his FBI handlers after the Messenger was goin."

Then I opened up the page, and this is eventually what I found:

Son Of Adam
by Rashid in Los Angeles » Sun Mar 14, 2004 11:41 pm

"As-Salaam-Alaikum: To The Followers Of The Honorable Elijah Muhanmmad The Last Messenger Of Allah.




Son Of Adam, when did Wallace D. Mohammad become Honorable? If anyone has "No Honor" at all, it is Wallace D. Mohammad. Who is nothing but a No-Good Rotten Hypocrite and a Worthless Traitor, and frankly who care what the payed Off FBI informant has to say? Nobody but Bootlickers, Buttsuckers, Stool Pigeons, Lap Dogs, Traitors, Hypocrites, Uncle Toms, Cowards, Lazy Men and Woman, and Informants to the Open Enemy only want to hear what this No-Good Lap Dog to White Folks has to say. He is just like his word, worth Nothing at all. We as Black People were Cured with a lot of Bad Trash like Wallace D. Mohammad and his band of Rotten No-Good Hypocrites. If you do anything on this board please try and tell the Truth. We are trying to seek the Truth hear. But to say that Wallace Muhammad is Honorable, that is as far from the Turth as Night and Day.



As-Salaam-Alaikum: To The Believers


Your Brother
Rashid in Los Angeles"

Who in the hell is Brother Rashid...some cab driver down there in the red light district of Los Angeles? Gimme a break! This is so hilarious!! ROFL SMH

That is exactly how it read. Go check it out for yourself if you don't believe me, folks. This article is also supposed to be an account which suggests that there are some who oppose Farrakhan's teachings. I am sure that they are namely referencing those of us who chose to associate ourselves with the leadership of Imam W. Deen Mohammed. That is the very reason why I, and my business partner, Imam Bashir Salaam, have began airing a televised program to dispell two of the main myths that you snakes are poisoning the black community with:

1) One of our goals is to clear up once and for all who was the genuine representative of Al-Islam to the black community, Imam W. Deen Mohammed.
2) To make certain that everyone understands that there is no feud not anomosities between the two religious communities.

When you read the media accounts concerning the so-called rift between the two leaders, most of our people run with this information as though it is gospel. We have to remember that the Zionist Jacobite Jews are the ones who control the media vehicle in this society.

They skillfully blacked out our leader, Imam Mohammed for 34 long years because, not only did they not want the black community to benefit from this pristine knowledge that he diseminated to them, but they also did not want the outer community to benefit from it equally. Min Farrakhan, on the other hand, vowed his allegiance to Imam Mohammed. However, two years later, he defected from the community and started his own personal Nation of Islam.

Since Imam Mohammed was blacked out for 34 years, this gave the black community plenty of time to familiarize themselves with Minister Farrakhan. Minister Farrakhan, over the years has done great work in rehabilitating ex-cons among our youths, as well as provided an upliftment to others who needed to learn the teachings of The Hon Elijah Muhammad.

In spite of his great works in the community of which we are in full support of, nonetheless, the media prefers Farrakhan's teachings to display to the public because they thrive on the type of controversy that he (Farrakhan) always seemed to provide for them such as his inflamatory remarks that he made about Jews that gave him instant fame.

Again, Siebra...I ain't mad at you for believing all that garbage if that's what you want to believe. Aside from that, if you choose to continue this conversation, I will be more than glad to oblige you. I'm not doing this because I fear you. You don't bring anything worth fearing. Remember you are also responding to my posts as well. Should I think that you also fear what I am posting? If you do, you shouldn't. Instead, you should stop believing what every dog, wolf, and bear tells you for the sake of common reasoning. So far you have offered none.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKXgpPb-Tvc
Minister Humza Al Hafeez • We Forgot Master Fard Muhammad (Savior's Day Message)

Siebra Muhammad...You seem to be irritated that I keep bustin' you! That's a good thing. When your water fails to hold weight, emotonalism will almost always surface. Keep up the good work, girl! You're doin' just great!!! LOL

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An-Nisa [4:89] "They but wish that ye should reject Faith as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): so take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (from what is forbidden). "

This is why the message of Al Quran is eternal for it addresses problems in the time of Prophet Mohammed (saw) as well as today and in the future. As long as there are human beings on earth Al Quran will be here to guide them. Allah in the above verse tells us of those who will never be pleased with us until we abandon our faith. Once we abandon our faith and join the ranks of the faithless then they will love us. This is where we must part because the believer is not one to turn on his or her heels. The believer is one who plans to die in a state of Al Islam. As long as the faithless enjoin in those things forbidden by Allah it is impossible for us to take them into our ranks for if we did they would not fail in attempting to corrupt us!

A. B. Maydun, you label me as a black supremacist, I take it as an excellent comment because it shows that the truth of what I have to share with you in regards to Wallace is far greater that what you (an older adult who has been in the Nation longer than I have been walking on the Earth) could even fathom. And I'm not going on all day name dropping people just to feed into your emotions. Dialoguing with you is similar to dialoguing with with Harry (a child who thinks he knows everything and don't know nothing) because you operate from emotions and not TRUTH backed up by FACTS.

Wallace started his own excuse for a Nation since the Honorable Elijah Muhammad would no longer allow him to have his way (wrong). As for Wallace, he turned against his Father in an attempt to tear the Nation down. The poisonous venom Wallace spewed had an effect on the disbelievers, yet no effect on the righteous. There are only so many lies you can tell on a person before the truth comes out.

We do know that the Messenger allowed Wallace to come back to the NOI, don't we? The Messenger obviously knew his son was opposed to many of the precepts of the Teachings, yet he allowed him to return. However, look at how Wallace handled it with so much confusion. He was apologizing one minute and insulting the next, which one was it?

Wallace was a diabolically deviant Disbeliever of the lowest order in his historically-unprecedented (yet prophetically-predicted) disrespect of his divinely-chosen father (the Messenger of Allah), despite his last-minute "narcoleptic nod" to Savior's Day (what, for "old times sake"?!). Oh Please!

IN MY OPINION, ALLAH HAS PLACED A VEIL OVER THE BRAIN OF BRUTHA MADYUN AND DUMB ASS HARRY. NO MATTER HOW FACTUAL AND LOGICALLY SISTA SIEBRA'S ARGUMENT IS...THEY SIMPLY JUST DON'T GET (..OR DONT WANNA GET IT). ONLY ALLAH CAN CURE THAT LEVEL OF GROSS IGNORANCE. THERE IS NO LIGHT OF UNDERSTANDING IN THEM 2 BRUTHAS. I PERSONALLY WANNA WHOOP THEIR IGNORANT ASSES...BUT I KNOW THAT WONT SPARK THE LIGHT OF UNDERSTANDING IN THEM DEAD ASS SAVAGES.

SISTA SIEBRA...YOU HAVE MY FULL AND TOTAL SUPPORT. REST IN THE COMFORT THAT YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY VOICE OF REASON ON THIS THING. WALLACE WAS A DEVIL...AND HE DIED A DEVIL. THE ARCH HYPOCRITE THAT HE WAS, HE LEFT BEHIND A LEGACY OF LIES AND SHAME.

ANYNBODY BLACK MAN THAT WILL STAND AGAINST HIS OWN FATHER AND HELP THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT DESTROY AN ORGANIZATION MEANT TO RESTORE THE BLACK RACE IS A DEVIL TO HIS HEART. BRUTHA MADYUN...IF YOU CAN'T REASON WITH THAT LEVELOF COMMON SENSE...THEN CHANCES ARE YOU'RE A "HOOVER" MAN ALSO.

DUCEZ !!!!

the SUBJECT of this blag --- SHOULD HAVE BEEN REPORTED as OBSCENTITY

and ALL BIA Preamble followers SHOULD have shattered this oldeNegro ignorant gossippyGhetto TRASH..............AGAINST Elijah Muhammad and HIS family

....what nonSense siebraWrites---'turn against his Father'
----FOOL
--- Elijah Muhammad----RAISED in HIS house----- Imam WD Muhammad, Jabir Muhammad, Akbar Muhammad AND many other children/grandChildren -- brothers/nieces/nephews and FRIENDS

--- - Elijah Muhammad----EDUCATED--- Imam WD Muhammad, Jabir Muhammad, Akbar Muhammad AND many other children/grandChildren -- brothers/nieces/nephews and FRIENDS.....

---while REAL Muslim MEN and WOMEN worked and developed the VAST Islaamic Network of Masajid and Islaamic Schools throughOut America

siebra and the farakhanMadoof crowd got racistHatred --- BECAUSE farakhan CRIED in 1975 and was not Educated

----NO RELIGION---NO group--- NO way of LIFE that i have witnessed 70+ Years
--- other than nazism, kkk and other raciallyIgnorant groups
----would Demonize a recently DECEASED person that has 1000s of Relatives alive 4/23/2013

no

---- Mr. A.B. Madyun ---- siebra is not a 'blackSupremacist'
---- siebra and her ---ILK----are as another BIA commentator has already Written---TRIFLING
----VILE, FILTHY, and just gossippyTRASH


-----none of the 2 BILLION--- MUSLIMS -- 2013 or ALL those since 650 would even IMAGINE such, methods of EVIL, gossippy de*****ation as siebra/slanderETC.

---- siebra-the author of this TRASH does --------NOT represent AlIslaam, AlQur'aan and the Sunnah of Mohamed(saw)

SISTA IRMA...GREETINGS. I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THIS WITH YOU : THE HON. ELIJAH MUHAMMAD CAMETO NOT TO TEACH US TO BE ARABS (SUNNI, SHIITE, SUFFI, ETC.)..BUT TO BRINGUS BACK TO OUR TRUE SELVES...WHICH IS A GOD. WE ARE THE ORIGINAL MAN AND WOMAN ON THE EARTH...AND ALL THE ARABS KNOW IT. THERE HAS BEEN A VERY CONSISTENT AND PERSISTENT EFFORT ON THE PART OF MANY WHO ARE ACTIVELY HARD AT WORK TO SLANDER AND DIRTY THE GOOD NAME OF ELIJAH MUHAMMAD...PARTICULARLY THOSE WHO ADVOCATE, LOVE AND FOLLOW WALLACE DEVIL MUHAMMAD.

IT IS KNOWN AND UNDERSTOOD BY THE BLACK COMMUNITY THAT THE ARAB HAS NOLOVE FOR THE BLACK MAN AND WOMAN. WHY WOULD A BLACK PERSON WANT TO ADOPT THE WAYS OF THE ARAB...WHO SHOWS US HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT US WHEN THEY SELL US PORK, LIQUOR AND NEWPORTS. WHAT KIND OF MUSLIM DOES THAT TO BLACK PEOPLE ? THE KIND WHO DONT LOVE BLACK PEOPLE..AND TRHEY DONT.

THE NATION OF ISLAM EXISTS TO RE-AQUAINT YOU WITH YOUR GOD-HOOD...NOT MAKE YOU A PUNK ASS ARAB. I HOPE THIS BRINGS ALITTLE CLARITY.

AS SALAAM ALAIKUM.

another natz ---- turning the Truth to racistIgnorance

Mr. Nat,

If you want to be respected as an intelligent man then you need to act like one, okay.

You just plan out said that I am a dumb-ass, but you don’t say how. Now, I know that I am an intelligent man because when I say something about some else I prove it.

For instance, I said that Mr. Elijah Muhammad was a very spiritually ignorant man and here is why. He did not know that Mr. Fard Muhammad was a foreigner and could connect him to God. Elijah did not that his prophet must be the same race as he is, a Black American.

The Arabian people was connected to God through an Arab man, Prophet Mohammed. The Jewish people was connected to God through the Jewish Prophet Moses. So, something is mentally wrong with us when we see examples of what I am saying with other people, but we are frozen stiff against believing the same must happen to us that we must have a Black American prophet to be connected to God.

So mow, I’ve explain why Elijah was a dumb-ass am I right. So, you do the same and explain why I am a dumb-ass, okay.

That's off the late freight!!!

Tell him, Harry!!! Atta' BOY!!!! ROFL

Irma Robinson...Neither Shiites or Sunnis have any connection religiously to the NOI. The NOI was a nationalistic movement, not a religion. Even so, Imam W. Deen Mohammed repeated it three times when he said that "...My father brought us religion..." This because under his teachings we were taught so much love and unity between us until there was nothing quite like the unity of the NOI. We were like one big family. That tradition carried over into our present religious community under Imam Mohammed's leadership, though there are slight differences. Allah tells us in the Qur'an that:

The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will): Nor did the People of the Book dissent therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account.
(H.Q., Aal-e-Imran,3:19)

We are now in that time that Messenger Muhammad spoke of when he said that the day would come when every tub will have to sit on it's own bottom as it is written in the Christian bible. When Imam Mohammed resumed the leadership of the NOI, he reminded us of what his father said, and told us that we are now living in that time. You no longer need captains, lieutenants, and squad leaders standing over you and telling you what to do, and when to do it as thou you are some little children. Imagine what your children would think about you today seeing you taking such orders from other adults, and yet you are trying to tell your children what to do.

Some of us have graduated out of that kindergarten mentality, but, unfortunately, others have not. Moving away from the NOI where we were taught by The Hon Elijah Muhammad from the bible, to the teachings of the Holy Qur'an under the leadership of Imam W. Deen Mohammed was like graduating from the kindergarten, and then going into college.

THEM also told us that the day would come when there would be a separation of the wheat from the tare. We are now living that history, and now we have to stand on our own two feet as responsible human beings being guided into the divine mind, which is Allah's intention. Imam Mohammed taught us that man means mind. More than the majority were not ready to take that responsibility, so this is the reason why a whole lot of our people had to remain in the kindergarten.

Siebra Muhammad....Nat Z Turner...Sanender El Ameen

Allah tells us in our Holy book, The Noble Qur'an:

We only send the messengers to give Glad Tidings and to give warnings: But the unbelievers dispute with vain argument, in order therewith to weaken the truth, and they treat My Signs as a jest, as also the fact that they are warned!
(H.Q., 18:56)

And yet among men there are such as dispute about Allah, without knowledge, and follow every evil one obstinate in rebellion!
(H.Q., 22:3)

Yet there is among men such a one as disputes about Allah, without Knowledge, without Guidance, and without a Book of Enlightenment,-
(H.Q., 22:8)

A word to the wise should be sufficient.

WELL...SINCE ITS A WISE WORD YOU'RE TRYING TO GET ACROSS, THEN DIG THIS : GIVE CAREFUL CONSIDERATION TO WHAT OUR BEAUTIFUL SISTA SIEBRA IT TELL U AND THAT WANNA-BE PROPHET DUMB ASS HARRY. WALLACE DEVIL MUHAMMAD WAS EXACTLY THAT...A DEVIL. THE WORST KIND. ONE WHO WILL DESTROY THE WORKS OF HIS FATHER WHILE PRETENDING TO BE SUPPORTIVE. YES...THATS A DEVIL AND THAT WAS WALLACE.

TALK BACK TO ME.

Whoever said that ignorance was bliss, they forgot to compete the word. It should have read "BLISSTER!!!"

BRO. SANENDER....I LIKE HOW U SO ELOQUENTLY PUT THESE NEGROE SAVAGES IN THEIR RIGHTFUL PLACE (THE DAMM DUMPSTER). TRUST AND BELIEVE...A DAY IS FAST APPROACHING WHEN WE WILL PHYSICALLY ELIMINATE NIGGRAS LIKE MADYUN AND WANNA-BE HOLY HARRY FROM AMONG OUR RACE. I AM TIRED OF THESE PUNK ASS "INTERNET SCHOLARS" WHO WANNA KNOCK A MAN WHO DEDICATED HIS LIFE AND MONEY TO HELPING RESURRECT OUR ZOMBIE ASSES (THE MOST HONORABLE ELIJAH MUHAMMAD)

YOUR WEIGHING IN ON THIS MATTER IS VERY APPRECIATED BY THE BELIEVERS HERE IN DETROIT. F-U-C-K WALLACE DEVIL MUHAMMAD !!

AND F-U-C-K MADYUN AND ***IT ASS WANNA BE HOLY HARRY.

It is a gross mistake to confuse the Nation of Islam as the correct method of the religion as it has been practiced by 1/5th of the world's population for over 1,400 years. It was absolutelynecessary for it's time, because when Master Fard introduced it in Detroit, MI. in 1930, it was definitely time for it at that time. But it's time has now past. We live in a totally different time, and circumstance today.

We see a lot of the black nationalist minded individuals who believe that Islam is exclusive to black people only. Go back in the history of the evolution of Islam in the black community. It still winds up in the Eastern hemispere from the very beginning.

If you black nationalists believe that Islam is exclusive of others, and was meant for blacks only, what is the difference between what your belief that the white man is a racist devil, and at the same time you harbor as much hatred for them as well. You are no better than they are. All of you bigots are all the same. There is no difference.

You blame the white man for all your problems, even though we don't have half the problems coming from white America against us today as it was 50 years, or even thirty years ago. In fact, most of the problems in the black community today is perpetrated by members of the black community (thugs). Innocent babies, women, and elderly people are always a target in drive by shootings where gang members try to shoot a rival, and anyone is a target if they get in the way. We are our own worst enemy, so there is no credibility in blaming someone else for our problems. Most of our people don't have the sense enough to get out of their own way.

We feel that it's very important that we that we keep our leader, Imam W. Deen Mohammed's legacy alive. If we don't, nobody else is going to. It's up to us. I'm not sure if the majority of members of our association (those associated with Imam Mohammed's leadership) really and truly appreciated him, or understood whom he really was no more than the black nationalist who perpetrate their own hate campaigns against him.

The Hon Elijah Muhammad told us that there would be one to come after him that would teach us the religion...and that his job was only to clean us up. And he said that that one who is to come...I won't even be able to tie his show laces. He was talking about his son, Wallace (known to us as Imam Warith udeen Mohammed).

We are not trying to venerate his personality, as though he were the grand pubah. No...He didn't like that kind of treatment...the kind that would make him look like a god. He said that he diidn't even care for too much formality when addressing him personally. But we want to familiarize the public as to who Imam Mohammed was. The media blacked him, and his teachings out for 34 long years. But during that same period, they made sure that everyone knew who minister Farrakhan was, because he spoke the language that they wanted our people to hear. It was an emotional, nationalistic message that he held on to after our first NOI experience.

This is no put down that is intended for him...I'm not throwing rocks at minister Farrakhan. We love the work that he is doing in the African American community...especially the work that he is doing in helping to clean up our youth, and enabling them to live a clean, productive life...one that is useful to their communities, and their families.

The media are aware that by keeping our people emotionally tied to the past, and to stir up their false impressions about Muslims...of those who already have a bad taste in their mouth about this religion, then it would not make trouble for the evil schemers who control the world. Most of all, they want to keep us divided. They are not going to let the public know that even minister Farrakhan told his followers that he didn't have the answer to the problems that plague them today...that it is Imam Mohammed that has the answer...and that that is his Imam also...his leader.

So we look, with the help of almighty G_d, Allah, to carry on the tradition of the Qur'an, and the life of Prophet Muhammad, whose wife, Aisha, described him as the walking Quran...we want to keep that tradition alive as Imam Mohammed presented it to us. We know that it is our duty to keep this tradition alive, because Al-Islam is the vessel that can save this society, and carry it over the threshold of success. It will make the world a better world if they would just embrace the concept.

It's too bad, and I feel sorry for those who believe that the Arabs influenced us to accept the Qur'an, and embrace Prophet Muhammad as Allah's last messenger to mankind...definitely not to Arabs. The Arabs (most of them) have strayed away from the proper practice of Al-Islam. They have all but adulterated the religion with the methods in which they incorporate their cultural practices into the religion, and then tell others that this is the religion.

No...It was the Hon Elijah Muhammad, through Professor Fard who introduced us to the religion of Islam, and the Holy Qur'an. It is no more than sheer stupidity for a fool to believe that he advised us to have Qur'ans in our possessions for no reason at all. He told us that we would eventually be taught from a new book. If he was teaching us from the bible when he made that statement (and he did), isn't one and one still two? It doesn't take any rocket science to figure out that he could not have been talking of anything other than the Qur'an (there was no other book), the book which he never taught us out of, though he would quote surahs (verses) from time to time in his lectures to drive home certain points that he was trying to make.

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Peace, Nat Z!!! LOL

Nat Z Turner...Correction, Z...The Hon Elijah Muhammad failed in his attempt to help resurrect you. You will remain an ignorant n*gga 'til the day you die. Oops!!! That's right!!!! You are already dead to the knowledge of yourself and your religion by choice!! Oh, well!! He couldn't straighten out all of us. n*ggas are incorrigible.

Teach hard Brother Nat! Brother Maydun is a perfect example of a Sunni Muslim hypocrite who wants us to get with his theory of following a spook god concept.

I have been defeating Wallace's lies and hypocritical theories since I entered this post. You, Brother Maydun are the one who "has their panties in a bunch" because I pulled your trump card on this thread which is "Show me your God, if he don't wanna see me then I don't wanna see him." You CANNOT do it (and you CANNOT or you would have done so by now ) so you attack me and my personal life instead.

Just because you cannot handle the truth of what Sanneeder, Nat, Abdul, and I have to share with you, don't get pissed off at us. Every since I found out who the Blackman and Blackwoman is, I've been loving myself. That was one of the reasons Messenger Elijah Muhammad was risen, so we would begin to love ourselves. Have you studied the Teachings at All brother?

When Elijah had came along and begin to teach the Blackman and Woman who they were, we had FINALLY started to love one another like we should, because we knew the Truth of ourselves. We didn't do this before because the slavemaster had taught us to hate ourselves because of our Blackness.

So there was hate among us before the Messenger because we didn't know who we were and who the devil and God was. But after the Truth was Taught to us, love begin to form withing our race. You do indeed err not knowing nor UNDERSTANDING the teachings.

Wallace came along and attempted to destroy all that his father taught. Wallace's sole purpose is to bring everyone he could into his Chastisement by Allah. As the old saying goes, "Misery Loves Company". Wallace was the one who set out from the start to ruin doing for self in the mind of his people. His American and Arab Masters told him not to teach doing for self, to teach doing for self was a dirty word to his people and he was willing to participate in teaching his people to rely on other than self and kind.

To tell people to rely on others to take care of you and your needs, this is the act of a Home Born Slave. The Honorable Elijah Muhammad teaches that a slave is one who sphere of influence is controlled by another. Everyone should be able to see that Wallace D. Mohammad was controlled by another and is not in the best interest. If someone loved Black People you would not tell them that they need nothing and they should be happy being in bondage to another man. Surely this is the actions of a Traitor to Black People and a agent of the FBI!!! If anyone knows it or not the J. Edger Hoover and his FBI were not made to help the interest of the Black Man of America. If you don't then I have some green cheese from the moon to sell to you, because you will go for anything on Earth (LOL).

You kill me claiming to believe in what the Messenger of Allah Taught, turning hypocrite, and then wanting people to think you are so smart and wise with your mystery spook god knowledge and try to force your views and intellect on me and everyone else. Too funny!

Siebra Muhammad...The nerve of you to dare to even carry the Honorable name of Muhammad. Were it not for Prophet muhammad of 1,400 years ago, n*ggas like you wouldn't know anything like the name, Muhammad...neor would any of us know.

"...When Elijah had came along and begin to teach the Blackman and Woman who they were, we had FINALLY started to love one another like we should, because we knew the Truth of ourselves. We didn't do this before because the slavemaster had taught us to hate ourselves because of our Blackness. ..."

Now this is the funniest dudu that I have ever witnessed. How much more can black people hate themselves then to waste your time hurling insults, and calling your own people negative names just because you are having difficulty accepting what The Hon Elijah Muhammad left us with. You think you're hurting me with all this BS but last time I looked it still ain't about me. It ain't even about Wallace whom you call the hypocrite, but you never met the man in the first place. Secondly, it's very cowardly for a n*gga to talk about a dead man in the way you n*ggas have talked about, and slandered Imam Mohammed's name since he is not alive and here to defend himself. But, let's be real...you n*ggas wouldn't have the balls to say any of this garbage in his face if he were alive. I don't have to defend him...I don't have to defend me...but I do have to defend the truth. Y'all are so hilarious with all these charges that you've stated concerning "Wallace" without a shred of evidence coming out of your filthy mouths. The only evidence that you bring to the table is the garbage that comes out of your filthy mouths which are no more than opinions based on what Joe Blow told you. I notice that you talk of my intellect. What's the matter...are you jealous because you don't know how to use yours? Y'all crack me up with that dumb BS. I'm glad that there are some intelligent people on this page like Irma, Robert, Steve, & Cynthia. It makes my heart smile that there are some live people on here to offset a bunch of dead n*ggas. ROFL

"A wise man changes often, but a fool will always remain the same."
~ The Hon Elijah Muhammad

It made me laugh me laugh hard when you said that your father worked for the MS staff in Chicago. Now that is just hilarious. Those words above that were stated by Messenger Muhammad came from one of his lectures. If you can refresh your memory for a minute, I am one of the thousands of brothers who carried the Muhammad Speaks Newspaper all over the country. Every copy of the MS contained the most recent speeches given by THEM each week in Chicago. It seems funny as hell that somebody could work for the staff of the paper, yet be totally unaware of his teachings being right there with the paper. It's most amazing, once again, that you would be foolish enough to challenge one of the gallant soldiers of the Hon Elijah Muhammad, who actually lived the history. That is just totally insane. So go ahead and try to convince yourself that you know what you're talking about, and you weren't even there. It doesn't sound like your parents were either. You'd better go sit down on the toilet, and let that stuff out quick. Dudu is toxic, and it will kill you. LOL

AWW Madyun thank you for the compliment...


However, in regards to religion ... it amazes me how "we" as individuals are very defensive once "our" religious beliefs have been conditioned and challenged.

As a Christian I believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior.... HOWEVER, my spiritiuality surpasses way beyond "organzied religious teachings"...
With this being said...

I believe that "ALL MEN AND WOMEN" are born into Sin, .... Christ was even tempted... BUT I think that most religion organized or not... Teaches us that there is a much "Higher Divine Power" that's greather than all of our Prophets, Rabbis, Evangelists, Ministers and Teachers.

also, because of the diversity of religion, naturally one would tend to defend (his/her) religion as being "the right" teachings....

Honestly, who's prophet is right?
Who's Prophet is more Just and upright?
Who's Prophet "doesn't" have some kind of "scandel"

Our goal to Salvation does not come from words... It comes by way of works....

Balance, Peace, Striving to do God's Will..... I enjoy reading the diversities of religion, but then again it can be very disheartening - because we spend so much time arguing and defending proposed teachings.... While in fact, we all should be trying to make it to our next destination ... if it's a heavenly home.... if it's purgatory, hades, hell .... just in a box covered by dirt.... it's up to "one's organized religion" and what he/she was taught.



I'm not a gambling WOMAN, But if I had to place my money on a Religion....
I can tell you ..... I'd never place it on "A Man"....

Proverbs 18:2
"Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions."

Are we (with our one track mind and conditioned thoughts and opinions) considered fools?

Huumm food for thought!

Just thinking here....

I do that at times.....

Where's my Clique???

A.B. Maydun, you still insist on making me, Nat, and Saneeder your targets huh? Although you profess to be a Muslim, you still think and act like a slave and prefer to dialogue using the white God concept by posting things that do not add up. Regardless of how you and your knowledge of True Islam over us, the fact is, the joke is still on you. You figure that since I've never met Elijah Muhammad personally, that I have not right to speak on what is True Islam or not. The problem with you is, YOU CAN'T HANDLE MY MIND!!!

Study the steps Wallace came up with:

First, Wallace had a security force called BAPS. Then he made it seem like he was going to take over Islam from the Arabs by acknowledging Sunni Islam.

Second, Wallace taught the Black People to reject What Allah and His Messenger brought to them (farmland, service stations, etc.) and forget about doing for self.

Thirdly, Wallace took his followers back to praying on their knees in the prostrate "doggy style" position (a method of praying rooted in pagan origins), which is totally opposite of the CORRECT way to pray as taught by Master Fard Muhammad (standing up with hands pointed upright).

You just don't get it do you...Wallace sold Black people out!!! Wallace has sold them out bigger than any Muslim leader ever could!!!

irma....Educate!!!!!! destruction...genocide...murder in the name of aGOD!!!

Siebra Muhammad

You said: "...First, Wallace had a security force called BAPS. Then he made it seem like he was going to take over Islam from the Arabs by acknowledging Sunni Islam..."

What exactly is Sunni Islam? Please tell me if you know...I'm not fmiliar. Is this a newe term? This is of course acknowledging on my part that you have to be Sunni in order to be a Muslim in the first place. Sunni (which references no sect in Islam in it's true sense, because Allah forbids sectarianism in Al-Islam) makes reference to the Sunnah (practice) of Prophet Muhammad (SAW). He was described by his wife, Aisha, as the walking Qur'an, so he practiced his sunnah. Secondly I would like to invite you to show us what is the connection between the organization of BAP (no "S" has ever had a connection the this acronym) and your second statement about Arabs. The BAP patrol was organized as the security arm of our community.

Allah told Prophet Muhammad in His revelation:

"As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou hast no part in them in the least: their affair is with Allah: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did." (H.Q., 6:159)


You said: "...Second, Wallace taught the Black People to reject What Allah and His Messenger brought to them (farmland, service stations, etc.) and forget about doing for self..."


Wrong again. As I stated yesterday, one of the first things that Imam Mohammed told us when he came into office was that everything that his father instituted was to remain the same except for the theology. Perhaps you are trying to cause a distraction from my earlier siting that economic growth is a mandate in order to be a Muslim in the first place.


"But seek, with the (wealth) which Allah has bestowed on thee, the Home of the Hereafter, nor forget thy portion in this world: but do thou good, as Allah has been good to thee, and seek not (occasions for) mischief in the land: for Allah loves not those who do mischief." (H.Q., 28:77)


You said: "...Thirdly, Wallace took his followers back to praying on their knees in the prostrate "doggy style" position (a method of praying rooted in pagan origins), which is totally opposite of the CORRECT way to pray as taught by Master Fard Muhammad (standing up with hands pointed upright)..."


Fard taught THEM that we were G_ds with a godhead. That means that he was virtually teaching us that there were many gods. But the idea was one of reverse psychology. Since the slave master believed that he was god and we were the devil, he just simply turned the table around against him.

If a man never learns humility, then he can never claim to be a righteous servant of Allah (G_d). You simply must come into complete humility to the one who is your creator. All the prophets did this. They were not too proud to humble themselves to their lord, and maker. Allah shows us signs in His creation to demonstrate this huimility. When we see a baby in it's mother's womb on a sonagram imagery monitor, you will find that baby in a fetal position strikingly resembling the same position the Muslim assumes in prayer.

Siebra...you guys really should stop all this n*gga talk on this page. Otherwise you will only wind up giving those who do not know this religion that it is just a religion of n*ggas. Like I indicated earlier, you don't even look like a Muslim on your profile photo. You just look like another n*gga...a white man's n*gga. Muslim women are dressed modestly. That is what the Messenger taught our women...that to be respected, they had to respect themselves. No decent black Muslim woman dresses up like a white man's n*gga.

Hold up Madyun... I think you are getting a little out of order....

Let's teach without the "nasty blows.... cyberlistically that is"....

Cause Madyun... you don't want to get Siebra fired "off"....

ssssshhhh.... don't tell her!
Let me go find Harry, I have an Abnormal Psychology Exam... and he's my study subject...

Submitted by Yacub Islam

Muslims' hope is in God's word "We must put our hope in something bigger than Amer­ica. Muslims' hope is in Allah, in what He reveals the Qur'an. Our hope is in the life that was demonstrated to us by His Prophet, His Messenger, Muhammad the Last Messen­ger of God. That's where our hope is. Muslims, don't forget where your hope is and work on keeping your identity. Muslims must work on keeping the Mus­lim identity. You know, things may be created or produced, and a label put on them, that truly identifies what has been made or produced, or created. But if those things are perish­able, in time, the contents won't be true to the label, unless you find a way to preserve it.

In our life as human beings, we have this freedom, to con­form or to not conform, to obey, or to disobey, and in the society that we live in sometimes en­courages too much freedom, im­moral freedom, and we find ourselves without knowing it, losing the original content of our lives. However, we continue to identify as we identified when the contents were correct. Muslims may call themselves Muslims, long after they have lost their Muslim lives. They still call themselves Muslims, and we are happy to say we are Muslims. But often, the Muslim life is left behind, long time ago. So we have to live true to our identity, true to our contents. If we don't, we are going to lose the life.

Keep identity before you, and keep the true meaning of identi­ty before you, not just as a name, because names are just in the air, unless you can just grasp the full meaning of what that name represents. The name "Muslim" connects us with a meaning. Islam, or Al-Islam as it is called in the Qur'an, or in the Arabic lan­guage, connects us with a meaning. It's not guaranteed that we are going to keep the meaning, unless we make an effort. The Muslim name is known also to Christians; they know it, they say, "oh yes, a Muslim, sure, we know what a Muslim is."

But does a Christian know as much about a Muslim just by hearing the name, as a Muslim who knows the meaning of Mus­lim, from the Qur'an and from the life of Muhammad, the Prophet? No! Likewise we iden­tify as human beings, and many of us continue to call ourselves human long after we have lost the human content of our lives. We have to make an effort to keep the content true to the label. And again, I am as you are, from the experience called the Black Muslims, and I know for a long time we were emph­asizing the dignity of race. We were searching for identity, a comfortable term for the black mental makeup. And by some happening, we all came to call­ing ourselves "black." And we used to remind ourselves of the necessity to live up to an image of ourselves that we were satis­fied with; to live up to a quality of the race that we were aspir­ing to — to live up to the achievements, of the race, and the hopes of the race. We had these ideas, and we would re­mind each other, "Brother, re­member the race." The same thing happened; we lost the content. We continued to talk about race, and I am sure there's strong race-consciousness in Dallas now.

But what about the contents? When we think of ourselves as a race, we think of ourselves more than black, as a color. We have to think of more than just a col­or; in fact the color is supposed to connect us with the broad meaning, with the whole mean­ing. When we say "black," we are to think of the people, the life of the people and that word should signal our attention, our minds, to the whole meaning for the people, for the life of that people we call "black." But when we get all charged up, confronting each other on issues, that are explosive, we forget the content of life, that we want for ourselves, and we are just carried suspended with the definition, with the — sim­ple shallow definition of race. That's what we have to avoid. And the same prescription we give for the Muslims, to stick to his identity, for the human to stick to his identity, we give it to the race to stick to that identity.

This is an ex­cerpt from a speech given by W. Deen Muhammad in Dallas, Texas on June 7, 1987

Thanks for that, Cynthia. You know that I'm just having some fun. It's a temptation that I need work on...really!!!! LOL

Leave Harry alone, Cynthia!!!! He ain't bothering you yet. You don't want to get him stoked up either. LOL

Mr.Maduun,

Although you are a Black American all in all your stands is with the Arabian Prophet and the Islamic religion am I right.

So, my question to you Mr. Madyun is how do you square this discrepancy of the racial differences?
If I would ask an Arabian man why he embraces Prophet Mohammed and not Prophet Moses or Confucius the Chinese? His answer would be because Mohammed was Arab and I am Arab. Okay, I can’t argue with that right.
Now, if I go to a Jewish person and ask them why do they embrace Moses rather than Mohammed, Prophet Harry or Confucius? His answer would be because he is Jewish.

So, how do you justify encouraging Black Americans to embrace the Arab Prophet Mohammed when we are not Arab people?
How do you justify Black Americans to believe that Mohammed is our prophet when you see that all prophets matched the race of people that they came from and the people racially matched the prophet they produced that God anointed?

Give me some light on that Mr. Madyun!

Let's teach without the "nasty blows.... cyberlistically that is".... Cause Madyun... you don't want to get Siebra fired "off".... Hold up Madyun... I think you are getting a little out of order.... Wednesday, April 24th 2013 at 10:40PM Cynthia Merrill Artis

pleeze ....... A.B. Madyun is giving GREAT Information for the EDUCATED......

this SUBJECT and TITLE of this BLOG is OBSCENE and unEducated!
-----what kind of writer would de*****ATE a GREAT man --- on gossip and FALSEHOOD?
-----only a TRIFLING---lowLife---an evilAmerican.......racistLY ignorant
-----AN --noi2013 GROUPING of those who do not READ AlQur'aan and the Sunnah of Mohamed(saw)

noi2013 GROUPING-----siebraNatzSlanderer
----- READ AlQur'aan the words of The Creator of Adaam(as)-Allaah AlKhalaq

Sûrat AzZumar
(The Different Groups, Communities) XXXIX
In the Name of Allâah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful

1. The revelation of AlQur’âan is from Allâah, the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.

2. We have sent down AlQur'aan to you Mohamed in truth: So worship Allâah by doing righteous deeds sincerely for Allâah’s sake only.

3. AdDeen of worship and obedience is for Allâah only. Those who take Auliyâ’ (idols, lords, gods, intermediators) besides Him say: "We worship them so that they may bring us near to Allâah." Allâah will judge between them concerning their differences. Allâah does not guide a Liar, and a disbeliever.

4. Had Allâah willed to take a son or offspring, He could have chosen whom He willed out of those whom He created. But glory be to Him! (He is above such things). He is Allâah, the One, the Irresistible.

5. He has created the heavens and the earth with Truth. He makes the night to go in the day and makes the day to go in the night. He has subjected the sun and the moon. Each running on a fixed course for an appointed term. He is the All-Mighty, the Oft-Forgiving.

Sûrat Fussilat
(They are Explained in detail) XLI
In the Name of Allâah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful
1. Hâ-Mîm.
2. A revelation from Allâah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.

3. A Book where the Verses are explained in detail - AlQur’âan in Arabic for people who know and understand.

4. Giving glad tidings of Paradise to the one who believes in the Oneness of Allâah - Monotheism and fears Allâah much abstains from all kinds of sins and evil deeds and loves Allâah by performing all kinds of good deeds which He has ordained, and warning of shame in the Hell-Fire to the one who disbelieves in the Oneness of Allâah, but most of them turn away, so they do not hear.

5. They say: "Our hearts are under wraps, screened from that to which you invite us; and in our ears is deafness, and between us is a screen: so you work on your way; we are working on our way."

6. Say Mohamed: "I am only a human being like you. It is revealed to me that your Ilâah (God) is One Ilâah, then take a Straight Path to Him with true Faith - Monotheism and obedience to Him, and seek forgiveness of Him. Shame to AlMushrikûn (the polytheists, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâah).

ok Robert.... I already know your issues with Siebra.... BUT still as a gentleman and scholar... Surely we do not want to pass off the illusion that my fellow brothers at BIA do not insult our women members...
I was merely stated to Madyun that (my opinion) we all have different approaches when "we" ARE challenged.

Members want to learn scholarship....

But I can't "get it" if (we're arguing instead of debating (clean))...

BUT again... I am enjoying reading and following the discussion....

@Madyun.... You are welcome... I kinda figured you were fooling around... Then also, I felt like I was reading a little frustration in your writings...

First rule of TEACHING: The Teacher has to remain in control at all times....
No one wants a Teacher like Harry who gets disgusted with his fellow BIA members and resort to name calling as a diversion tactic...

Maybe you should start a blog... And accurately compare and contrast the teachings of these men... I mean facts.. real facts...
Talk (write) the differences and why one Muslim leader is favored over another...

@Madyun...
Needless to say.. I couldn't find Harry... But I see he found YOU!!!! LOL

Cynthia Merrill Artis...Perhaps the frustration that you thought you detected is because of the fun that I was having. Thank you for your honesty, and your frankness. In all actuality, most of what I have imparted in this conversation has been offered not only as a comparison, but to also show the evolution of our religious community which could only be an evolution that was inspired by Allah (G_d) Himself. Nothing happens except by the will of G_d, and most of us are consciously aware of this. Whereas some believe that color is the focus of our purpose, the real purpose for our history was meant for the upliftment of our people who are descendants of slaves here in America.

Some of our people misunderstand our evolution, and why it was, and is always necessary for a people to evolve in order that they might advance as a people with a validated existence. We were never meant to just merely survive as a people with color. It was never meant for us to forget who we are as an ethnicity. But where a lot of people get hung up is when they place color over content. Color can only be what it is, and that is color. But in our intellects, our focus, and our purpose should far exceed our small thinking.

Imam Mohammed once pointed out that color cannot think, nor can it reason. Again, it can only be what it is. I have never seen color define anyone with the exception of caucasian people. It is the white image of Jesus that made them who they are. I don't mean that in a negative way. But Imam Mohammed pointed out once in one of his lectures that as long as the white image of Jesus remains in this society, the race problem will always exist. The subtlety of what the white image of Jesus is suggesting to everyone who is caucasian is a suggestion of kinship.

I remember as a child, and growing up as a Christian that those images depressed me. I didn't know what they really meant, yet the suggestion to me that G_d would have a son automatically suggested to me that He was white. Imam Mohammed said that this suggestion has caused the European, and us people of African descent (and other third world ethnicities [but our people exclusively]), to see ourselves in a false image.

As little children growing up, when the caucasian goes to church and sees the white image of Jesus they automatically feel that this image resembles their cousin, or uncle, etc. So they feel an attachment to that image, and so, in as much as this image is before them, since Jesus is suppose to be white, even though the description of Jesus in the bible suggests otherwise, it tells them subliminally that G_d the divine is white. Thusly they conclude in their own minds that G_d must be white, therefore they feel that they are equally divine. So then what naturally follows (they feel) for them is their white superiority complex.

The African black child, on the other hand, sees just the opposite. The little black child sat up in the church for 400+ years with the white image of Jesus hanging on the cross. We were taught that we were to pray to this white Jesus, and that he was our savior. So here we are with the figure of a blond headed, blue eyed Jesus before us that subliminally suggests to us that if he is the son of G_d, same thing...G_d is also white. So, since he doesn't look anything like anyone in my family, and reflecting on all the hell that we have caught under white supremacy, then we must be inferior to whites.

It was only divine intervention that could relieve us of our centuries of suffering.

Thus, it was necessary for some divine intervention to come and free us of our burdens, and that is exactly what happened when Fard Muhammad came along and conducted his experiment. The history read that he came under the cover of darkness, travelling under his own power. This little silk garment merchant ended up in Detroit Michigan in 1930. Then he met Elijah Poole, and taught him for three years until Elijah Poole became, first, Elijah Kareem, and then Elijah Muhammad. And then he came along and turned the whole idea of white supremacy around. He taught us that the black man was G_d, and the white man was the devil. This was a welcome message to those of us who were sick and tired of being oppressed by our oppressors. It was a reverse psychology that THEM used to cause us to feel proud of who we were, and gave us a sense of dignity.

We got our life back under the life giving teachings of the Most Hon Elijah Muhammad. He said that the white man was the devil, and that if he wasn't the devil, then he would do until a better one came along. He was speaking more of the white man's deeds than his description.

It was easy for most of us to believe that the white man was the devil, because we didn't know anyone who could possibly better fit the description than the white man. Though it appeared to a lot of our people as the fairy tale that it was, for some of us it took such a fairy tale for us to feel better about ourselves as a people with a purpose. But some of our people become absorbed into the fairy tale, because they are just looking for someone to trick them. But this was never intended to be a trick. It's just that some people are tricks.

The Hon Elijah Muhammad taught us that we were a great people with a great history, and he also taught us to do for self. He used the darkness to dignify the black man. He told us that Islam was the religion of the black man. He never suggested to us that it was ours exclusively, though. What he did tell us once was that you could not feed meat to a baby, because a baby has no teeth, and it's system was too delicate and thusly would choke on the meat if it tried to eat it. He told us that he was illustrating why he was not commissioned to teach us true Islam.

He told us that his job was only to clean us up, and that there would be one who would come after him who would teach us the religion. All of this is recorded information. Every week in the Muhammad Speaks newspaper, the Messengers most recent lecture would appear in the center fold of the paper. So all of this information that I impart here is no secret. The information is readily available on microfiche for viewing by the general public at the local public library.

In our history (NOI), we were taught that Master Fard told Elijah and sister Clara that the child that sister Clara was carrying in her womb would be the one who would be a helper to his father. He told the Hon Elijah Muhammad to write the name of Wallace, one of the names that he was known by, behind their bedroom door. He told the Messenger and his wife that this would be the name of this child to be born. Anyone who knew this history, knew it's significance.

He told us to alweays have a copy of the Maulana Muhammad Ali translation of the Qur'an in our possession. Does it not follow logically that if the Hon Elijah Muhammad hated Arabs, that this bold little black man that stood in the very mouth of the beast and told him that he was the devil...would he have told us to keep a Quran, and to keep it above your waist. There's a lot of symbolism in this. When you think about it, why did he tell us to keep it above our waist? I can remember how afraid I was back during that time that I would accidentally lower my Quran below my waist.

But when you go back and think about it logically, THEM was illustrating to us just how important...how sacred the Quran should be to us. There is a play of words here. He said to hold the Quran above your waist (or was it waste). The words waist, and waste sounds the same. Yet they have totally different meanings. Since the words of almighty Allah in the Quran are the words that were revealed to Prophet Muhammad over 1,400 years ago, since these are the words of Allah, the most high, should we not hold it's sacredness high above our waste (filthy, thoughts, deeds, actions, words, etc.)?

A. B. Maydun, I'm not stopping my "n*gga talk" on this page because you don't wanna hear it. I see where your head Is at. You are a Know-It-All slave who thinks he knows more Islam than what Saneeder, Abdul, Nat, and I do, but you really don't. You have followed Wallace for so long and because of his twisted brain and filthy heart, you think the way he did. You are all over us to try to transform us into something we are not (spook God worshipers).

I'm positive that you didn't come here because of your undying love for the original (Black) people, you had your mind set on a whole different subject, to try to teach the followers of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad that Sunni (white god Islam) is the true and correct Islam. That shows that there will be nothing good with debating with you because you are already hellbent on being right and exact! A proper discussion can't work with such a premise.

Another thing, Actions speaks LOUDER than WORDS, what have your version of Islam done for us Blacks except transforming us to long bearded slaves??

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad gave us the knowledge of God, he gave us real self-esteem, he built houses, produced food, gave us work, that is something that Wallace's version of Islam has never done for us! The Honorable Elijah Muhammad gave way for the freedom to teach Islam to us here in America, he resurrected so many of our people. Wallace version of Islam took us as slaves, assisted the devil in our enslavement, never gave a damn about us here in the wilderness!

The Hon. Elijah Muhammad teaches us that "When One Cuts His People Off From Their Salvation, It Was The same As a Murderer, And Those Following Them after Knowing Was Committing Suicide". To follow a hypocrite (Wallace) is to go against the will of Allah. And that is a very dangerous place to be. You don't know/have the true understanding of The Teachings of The Hon. Elijah Muhammad. The Messenger taught us the devil would deceive the Messengers followers, all except those who Allah ( God ) protects.

My perception of what I think comes from our Life History and our Life Experience. I see the world as the Hon. Elijah Muhammad taught us to. You see thing as Wallace taught your people to see things. You are a product of his hypothesis, he headed our people where he (not Allah) wanted them to go. That Is Loving Everybody On Earth But Our Own!!!

P.S. I may not appear to be a Muslim to you in the profile photo, but at least I keep my body covered AT ALL TIMES...

Siebra Muhammad...Suit yourself. As long as you continue to contribute what you have, and you feel comfortable with it, at least we know what to expect from you. So what I'll do in turn is just correct your errors. So you can feel safe and secure that no harm will come to you from me. I promise....scouts' honor...

Same here!

Madyun... I hope that this isn't taken as being offensive....
However, you stated ((In our history (NOI), we were taught that Master Fard told Elijah and sister Clara that the child that sister Clara was carrying in her womb would be the one who would be a helper to his father. ))

Now my question is how does that differ from the Christian's Version of John The Baptist and Jesus Christ?

Reality is "RELIGION" comes from man's attempt to overpower an individual... It's man's collaboration of stories that have some significance but not "FACTS"

I can go out and write a book of laws, designed for a group of people - I would want to manipulate or control.

Christianity is no different... BUT ... IF anyone whom can read, and can understand the differences between Religion and Spiritual... I think everyone is on the road .... headed in the right direction... (my belief)

My christian upbringing began in the Catholic Church....
As I got older and being inquisitive; some of the teachings did not sit well with me....
During my young adult life I looked at different religions... I found most of them establish a whole set of rules and guidelines that their followers must adhere to....

Now that I am a Full Grown Woman.... And I believe in Karma, Virtues and Vices...
My teachings NEVER said that I should pray to Jesus...

Jesus instructed his followers to pray saying : OUR FATHER which art in Heaven!! and end in Jesus Name... Being that Jesus is the Christian's Accepted Prophet.... I acknowledge his teachings... However, my father is Native American and he is not a religious person at all... However he is very very spiritual ....

So, as I have learned from my Christian Teachings.... how a Christian is supposed to act.. Keep GOD (Allah) in his Higher place as the creator of all mankind.

Also, "attire" on how I should dress or what is acceptable to man?? Or God??
I was told that I could only wear dresses in the sanctuary. Yet, I don't think God is concerned with my Stilettoes, mini skirts or booty cutters....
He's looking for the soul of his people...

If GOD is a Spirit an unseen Power, yet we know that HE is here among us...
Where does color come from?

Again... I think alot of folks are looking at who is bringing the message... A Man whom God found displeasure with... A man who Sinned... Our prophets are "Men"... They are not perfect.... and if one's not careful.... Man will "trip one up"...

I personally find Islam a very strict religion to follow... The restrictions required, would take many many years for me to conform to...
As A Woman, I do not feel that MEN are superior over women... I believe that we are here "together" to help each other build a stronger foundation for their families, communities and service to GOD...
Secondly I do not believe that "my race" is an inferior race...
My self worth and pride was conditioned into my psyche by my grandfather...

NO minister, teacher or preacher told me of my greatness.
My people's struggles and their accomplishments which surpasses the majority of our ethnic nationalities - is evident based on "America and what She is today - that was built by the sweat, blood and tears of my people"

During slavery "whatever remains of that pig" was nourishment for enslaved Africans that labored in the long hot sun for 12, 14 hours a day. For survival that ole pig filled alot of empty and swollen bellies....

But in any case, I have the utmost respect for diverse religions... BUT in the end... When I have to stand and be accountable for my sins... I pray that GOD has mercy on my poor retched soul....

And Madyun shooting off at Siebra like that...
Ya sorta sound/read like Robert... and we all know that Robert deep down really likes Siebra...

Maydun ((This ayat (verse) in the Quran is applicable to this kind of a people, with the exception that these same people even reject the whole Quran, because they say it came from an Arab. Ain't it kind of funny that no one ever rejected Jesus because he was a Jew except the Zionist Jews? It's funny how all these funny scenarios pop up...Just a thought...
Thursday, April 25th 2013 at 12:30PM
A.B. Madyun ))


LOL... it is funny ... I guess I never thought about that either....

dr.Artis writes: "But I can't "get it" if (we're arguing instead of debating (clean))..."

ok ON blogs---we SHOULD be ----DEBATING--at BIA, an African AMerican Family site
---the LIE or Truth of the SUBJECT: Title

some POSTER?
----addresses a TITLE: "Imam WD Mohammed - Master Hypocrite, Pedophile & Liar!!!"
Posted By: Abdul-Malik Muhammad Thursday, November 24th 2011 at 5:12PM

AND RUNS no other comments.......??????????? ----- how strange and demonic............

debate ---- means to Educated People-----
1. Who is IMAM WD Mohammed?
------there was a Warith Deen Mohammed (born Wallace D. Muhammad; October 30, 1933 – September 9, 2008), also known as "W. Deen Mohammed" or "Imam W. Deen Muhammad",

2. What are the Facts that make a "master hypocrite"----?
---a. "master hypocrite" to what?
---b. "master hypocrite" to who?

3. Pedophile????
---whoa nellie----big charge!---AUTHOR shows NO police charges? NO witnesses----NOTHING

4.Liar?
---about WHAT?
---TO WHO?

5. Can Imam WD Mohammed Respond to these charges? ----- been DEAD since 2008?????

6. Can or SHOULD-----his Family answer to this SICK blag......?

---------------------------THATS debate----dr.Artis

AND

-----THERE IS NONE here----OFF SUBJECT----MOST comments
----Religion can be discussed on ANOTHER group or Blog..... noi also, stupidity also

writing about Stupidity2013++++SIEBRA noi2013 writes: "A. B. Maydun, I'm not stopping my "n*gga talk" on this page because you don't wanna hear it. I see where your head Is at. You are a Know-It-All slave who thinks he knows more Islam than what Saneeder, Abdul, Nat, and I do" ?????

stereotypically IGNORANT --- no Courage
---AND i, robertPowell, WOULD agree siebraNOI 2013-- is at the APEX of n*gga talk-----

BUT

BIA Preamble STATES----BIA is a site for African American Families to SHATTER oldeStereotypes and Misconceptions

the noi2013----COWARDS ---- that prolong and SIDE with this bs-Title/Subject--" "Imam WD Mohammed - Master Hypocrite, Pedophile & Liar!!!"

------are in my DEBATABLE opinion --- sickPuppies, deGenerate Americans.................

ok... back to blog subject.... I'll follow along... (reading)...

Sorry.......

Cynthia Merrill Artis...No...I don't find your analogy offensive at all. In fact, I think that it is a very intelligent observation. In the Qur'an, Allah tells us that he shows us signs in His creation to give us guidance that will enlighten us. It is up to us to recognize these signs, and everyone is not going to recognize, nor heed these signs. But these signs He sends as a parallel to our very lives.

You may recall in an earlier analogy that I gave of the evolution of the Nation of islam, and the purpose for which it was born into the black community. I had mentioned of how bad a condition that our people were living in, and the pain and suffering that we have experienced at the hands of our oppressors in our dark past. It had come to a point that it seemed that no help would ever be availed to us, and that it would take some divine intervention to intercede on our behalf which was exactly what happened upon the arrival of Master Fard.

When you read of the story of the Israelites, and the suffering that they experienced under the oppression of Pharoah in Egypt, historically, that account has never been verified to my knowledge. This is not tlo say that it never happened, because I am a firm believer that history always repeats itself.

The Hon Elijah Muhammad taught us that the bible is 25% prophecy, and 75% symbolism. But it would be fair to say that not only was the story of the Israelites plight in Egypt parallel to our being taken into bondage under as ruthless an oppressor as Pharoah as were the white slave traders, and owners during our slave era. But coming off of this story, there is no denying that it would also be fair to say that the story is symbolic of our history in America.

If we would just allow our minds to open up to our own history and it's circumstances, and accept that there must have been something in scripture that speaks of our sojourn, and that it must have been foretold that it would happen, then as a result, a myriad of avenues of enlightenment would easily remove our doubts about ourselves being a significant people, and not an inferior race as the oppressors would have us to believe.

So in answer to your question of how this parallels to the Christian version of John The Baptist and Jesus Christ, I would say it parallels perfectly.

To us, religion is life, and it references the way in which one lives their life. Whether one would believe that scripture comes from man is one's own prerogative. In fact, here in this society, it is no wonder that so many have been turned off about the thought of religion, or spirituality because of the way that religion has been presented to us going back to slavery? We were not given a fair, or sensible picture of how the slave master's spiritual conception could be beneficial to us.

We were not shown our selves in his holy books, or any other writ except as being three fifths a human being, and less than a dog. Even worse, we were presented G_d as being subjected to His own creation because He was represented to us as a man. But we know that man cannot create a sky, or a tree, or an ocean, or any of the great, and natural things in G_d's creation. Anything that man can create, he has to make use of the materials that G_d has placed here for our usage, so he can't create anything out of nothing as his creator can.

But one thing that is undeniable, and that is that we just can't get around the fact that we must submit to something greater than ourselves. If we don't do this, then we are being no more than arrogant. Arrogance in refusing to accept G_d as our lord, is an indication that says that we think we are better than G_d. Furthermore, to think that a man is G_d in Al-Islam is known as shirk (associating partners equal to Allah).

You are correct in assuming that man in his greed has in fact used religion to control nations. This is the very thing that happened in Christianity for example (and I am hoping that this doesn't offend any of the good Christian people as it is not my intent to offend anyone). The Jahcobite (Zionist Jew) in his quest for power, decided to use the bible to gain dominance over the entire world, and he was successful

But he was not the first to do so. Constantine organized The First Council Of Nicaeia - 325 AD in the fourth century which constituted the coming together of all the major bishops of the church. This council was formed for the purpose of changing early church doctrine to suit their unrestrained lusts for power. In order to pass their decree of authority, they decided, unauthorized, to change the doctrine that existed as the known bible of this era.

Because scripture had been so callously watered down through these unauthorized changes, in the seventh century Prophet Muhammad received his first revelation in the cave of Hira which is some kilometers off Makkah in the year 612 AD. It was month of Ramadan.

The Revelation of the book Quran Started around the year 610 AD at Ghaar-e-Hiraa (The Cave of Hiraa) when Muhammad (peace be upon him) was praying to GOD, God's Angel Gabriel took the message of God to Muhammad and told him to read, Muhammad replied that he didn't know how to read so he squeezed him in his arms and ask him again to read. it happens like this for three times, than the first word that was reveled in quran was "Iqra" means "Read."


In 622 CE, he left Mecca with his followers (due to sufferings in Mecca and being subject to assassination plot) to a city in the north named Yathrib (later Medina), where another Muslim community had begun to grow. The date of this emigration. Thee year 622 CE, is the beginning year for the Muslim calendar.
Revelation of Quran to Mohamed continued until his death in year 632 CE.

This is the description in the Quran of the purpose of Muhammad's mission:

No just estimate of Allah do they make when they say: "Nothing doth Allah send down to man (by way of revelation)" Say: "Who then sent down the Book which Moses brought?- a light and guidance to man: But ye make it into (separate) sheets for show, while ye conceal much (of its contents): therein were ye taught that which ye knew not- neither ye nor your fathers." Say: "Allah (sent it down)": Then leave them to plunge in vain discourse and trifling.
(H.Q., Al-Anaam, Chapter #6, Verse #91)

And this is a Book which We have sent down, bringing blessings, and confirming (the revelations) which came before it: that thou mayest warn the mother of cities and all around her. Those who believe in the Hereafter believe in this (Book), and they are constant in guarding their prayers.
(H.Q., Al-Anaam, Chapter #6, Verse #92)

It is also interesting also that you feel that the manner in which you dress should be your choice, and that G_d should have nothing to with it...am I in the ball park?

You said: "...Yet, I don't think God is concerned with my Stilettoes, mini skirts or booty cutters....
He's looking for the soul of his people... "


In Al-Islam, Allah tells us in the Quran that there is no compulsion in religion. However, he also says that truth stands clear of error. This is how it reads:

"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things."
(H.Q., Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #256)


In Al-Islam, the woman is instructed by Allah to hide her beauty, and that it is only to be displayed to her family. This so that she respects herself, and is regardful to her maker...the one who created her...Allah the almighty.


"And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of s*x; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss.
(H.Q., An-Noor, Chapter #24, Verse #31)

"O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
(H.Q., Al-Ahzab, Chapter #33, Verse #59)

Here it shows that not only does modesty show that a woman respects herself, and her family, but that modesty also serves as a protection that is familiar to most of the general public. Also note that this command is only for the woman who is a believer. For a woman who disbelieves, it is not required of her to practice modesty. This is because Allah (G_d) is only interested in His elect (those who are devoutly obedient to Him, and bow down in obeisance to Him in adoration).

G_d as a spirit is not the language of the Muslims. But for those who believe in Allah and the last day, Allah's Messenger, Muhammad was reported to have said in one of his hadiths (sayings) That the believer is to carry himself as though He sees Allah, and even though he does not see Allah, Allah sees him. But because we cannot see Allah (G_d) does not make Him a mystery. If He were a mystery, how is it that we can witness the wonders of His creation, and never acknowledge His existence?

I'd like to quickly share a little story with you. I too was raised a a Catholic. When I was in the fifth grade as a 10 year old, I remember when we had completed the section on the "holy trinity" in our catechism class. The nun, sister Rita Carroll was her name (I think) opened the floor for questions. My hand shot up like a rocket ship. When she recognized me, I asked her that "in mathematics, didn't you tell us that if you tried to divide a large numbe into a smaller one, then your product is a fraction?" Her response was "yes!" I then asked her did that mean that G_d was split up in fractions. Of course everybody laughed because they thought that I was joking. But I didn't crack a smile. I really wanted to know the answer.

You see...I was the class clown, so it was understandable why my classmates were laughing.

The nun responded that the book told us that it was a divine mystery. I was still confused as one might guess, so she instructed me to pull out my dictionary, and find the definitions of the words, divine, and mystery, and to then read the them out loud to the class. I began reading the definition of divine (of or pertaining to the divine; The deity; G_d..). I then proceeded to read the definition of the word mystery (something that you cannot fully explain, nor understand).

She then questioned me; "Do you understand it now?" I told her; "nope!" She asked me what was the problem at this point. My response shocked everyone. I first told her that I could fathom divine to be what it is, but that I could not do the same for mystery, because I did not understand G_d as a mystery, so if G_d is just a mystery (something that you cannot explain, or comprehend), why are you trying to explain it to us? In turn, the nun slapped me in the face, and threw me out of class. I don't have to tell you what my mother did to this nun. It was not very pleasant.

Imam Mohammed told us once that the human mind is like a parachute. He said that it doesn't work unless it is open. To succeed in life, and to be truly successful in life, we must open our minds as a people of value to new and innovative ideas of significance. I hope this helps.

Nat Z Turner...Got great news for you...the ***it ass arab that you say taught wallace (Quranic) arabic was Fard Muhammad...AKA: Professor Muhammad Abdullah. Educate yourself and learn your history!!! LOL

Marriages and family

Warith Deen Mohammed was married a total of 5 times, once legally to Shirley Muhammad and four Islamic marriages.[citation needed] He has had a total of nine children with his succeeding wives.[115] His first wife was Shirley Mohammed, with whom he had four children (Laila, Warith II, Ngina and Saudi, the latter who preceded him in death).[115]

Imam Mohammed's eldest child Laila Mohammed stated that Warith Deen practiced polygamy.[116] Although this is still disputed within his community.[citation needed]

After his first wife Shirley, he married Lorraine and had two children by her.[citation needed] He then married Thelma and had three children by her.[citation needed] Next he married Binah Mohammed, June 16, 1993.[citation needed]

He finally married Khadijah Siddeeq, who was 20 years old at the time, 50 years younger than Mohammed, and they remained married for four years up until his death.[117] The distribution of his estate is being challenged by Shirley and many of his children.[118]

The family is currently in probate court over rights to the estate.[117]

Cynthia Merrill Artis...The idea of presenting g_d as a spirit is no different than presenting Him as no more than a spook. Some even translate this idea into the notion of a "ghost." These spooky ideas are what has wound up spooking up our people. As those of us who are conscious of G_d are aware of, we should fear G_d as He should be feared, but not as a wild animal, or spook who is going to send a lightening bolt to anihilate us though we know that he has the power to do so. Rather the fear that we should have of G_d is the fear to displease Him with our deeds and actions.

Nat Z Turner...I think that I owe you an explanation of something. You are obviously confused about my profile picture where I am dressed in a throbe, a garment native to the Arabs. FYI...I was on Hajj in 1989 when this photo was snapped of me in Medina. Since you say that you are a follower of THEM, FYI...this is also how he dressed when he made Hajj back in the 50's. Is he what you would also consider a ***IT ASS MESSENGER MUHAMMAD. ASHY ASS WANNA BE ARAB? Or is this just your personal vendetta against me as a person? You don't know me from Adam. It's so easy to sit in the comfort of your own home, apartment, or cave (whatever your dwelling happens to be), having the safe distance that you need to sling insults and injurious words at people on the internet...things you wouldn't dare say in their presence (except if you were inebriated (drunk). Notice that I don't choose to, like yourself, feel the need to call you a bunch of negative names. That's not my style, chief. I have more class than that because of the dignity that Allah bestowed upon me as a result of my associations, and education that I received from The Hon Elijah Muhammad, and his son, Imam W. Deen Mohammed.

Behold! in the creation of the heavens and the earth; in the alternation of the night and the day; in the sailing of the ships through the ocean for the profit of mankind; in the rain which Allah Sends down from the skies, and the life which He gives therewith to an earth that is dead; in the beasts of all kinds that He scatters through the earth; in the change of the winds, and the clouds which they Trail like their slaves between the sky and the earth;- (Here) indeed are Signs for a people that are wise.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #164)

Thenceforth were your hearts hardened: They became like a rock and even worse in hardness. For among rocks there are some from which rivers gush forth; others there are which when split asunder send forth water; and others which sink for fear of Allah. And Allah is not unmindful of what ye do.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #74)

O ye who believe! cancel not your charity by reminders of your generosity or by injury,- like those who spend their substance to be seen of men, but believe neither in Allah nor in the Last Day. They are in parable like a hard, barren rock, on which is a little soil: on it falls heavy rain, which leaves it (Just) a bare stone. They will be able to do nothing with aught they have earned. And Allah guideth not those who reject faith.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #264)


Imam Mohammed, in one of his khutbahs in the shade of one of his father's early analogies, explained how Allah causes the sun to draw mirky, stinky, stagnant water up into the air in a fine mist that the naked eye can barely detect. Then when it riches the desired height, Allah causes the water to be purified. Then He allows the water to form in clouds. And, when they become heavy enough they descend as rain back down onto the earth on the land that is barren, and then gives it new life if the ground is fertile.

But some ground is not fertile, and cannot absorb the water in order to yield life. And thus it remains barren, having not benefitted from the water. Some men are like this. They will say that they follow a certain discipline, and yet shows no evidence of reflection. The discipline that he claims to follow has taken no effect on his life. This because he has no recepticle that he has availed himself in order to be able to receive benefit from the life that is being offered to him from the discipline (water). Water represents life. Where ever you find water, you will find life.

There are also in some rocks, when split into by water, they have a propensity to be able to yield forth the water to continue on in it's functioning. But there are other rocks that, even though they may bare a small amount of soil, yet, because they are so hardened, they produce nothing after being touched by the rain's effects. Some men, because they have become used to living a hardened existence, because they have allowed life to beat them down, theit hearts are also hardened just like that rock. His existence has caused his life to delegate him to a level that is lower than a mineral.

Madyun... I agree, I think that was my first reaction to "religion" the fear it placed on 'me".
As a youth, I heard the stories of hanks, evil spirits, ghosts.... and everything bad was a ticket to HELL!!

I began to wander... where was the "glory"? ... or How can I avoid HELL when everything comprised of this world " is sinful"... Can you imagine how a child ...terrified of "God..."

Afraid to go outside of the box to explore THE MERCY , COMPASSION and LOVE of our creator. Well, it took me a while, but during my adolescence ... I somehow found the courage to face the teachings and learn about "this Higher Power"....

So, for "me" to reject all of these "rules established by men" in regards to organized Religion...

I began to replace with my own understanding.... GOD is love, and LOVE SURPASSES ALL... he wanted his creation to praise, worship and acknowledge him .... Fear him "YES" but also Love Him without Fear!!
And as any good parent... When one disobeys his/her parents... you know how that goes... be prepared for the punishment. However, as a Parent often does... God also forgives!

.... Irma brought this to my attention (from her statement above).
When, In The Beginning God created man, he saw that man was lonely and so he placed man into a deep sleep and made woman from the rib of Adam... In Anatomy and physiology we are taught that the rib bones serves as protection for internal organs. Also, the ribs connect to the spine which helps support the torso of the human body.

In all of GOD's glory (I summized) that GOD being all knowing, knew that the WOMAN would also need strength to "help" her mate.
So, Adam and Eve were the first....

However, through Moses and his Mosaic Laws ... says that man can have many wives, mistresses, concubines.....

Adam and Eve were naked "until sin" and then GOD sent his angels down to help make clothing for them to cover up.... because of "their "shame"
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There is nothing more beautiful than the Human Body God's Creation. I personally look at life as a magnificent creation (medical science)...

Love... Good Will... Helpers, Doers, Worshippers, Genuine Love, Humility and Praise is all due to GOD....

All of these other rules manifested and decreed lawful based on "man's" standards is still the same.... Whether he be black, brown, white, red or yellow....

GOD this Higher Power which surpasses all of us.... Expects and always wanted his children to Seek Him for Prayer and Guidance and most importanly Always Acknowledge HIM as the creator of all....

And Madyun.... I ain't get all of that from a Minister, Rabbi, Priest, or Prophet....

I do have the utmost respect for any religious teachings, however, I do not agree with man's tendency to "tinkle" with GOD's Plan. I simply live a God fearing life, whom strives to live to the best person I can be. I have no other GOD... than my Creator...
I believe in the "one husband One Wife" Adam and Eve....

oh yes and Madyun thank you for sharing your story... So you know exactly what I am talking about... Mannn those Sisters were a mess!!!

BUT I think, Until Religion becomes less structured and less critical.... I think I can gracefully and Respectfully return to it's organized structure; but as long as it... places fears and rules... I am just going to have to reject that claim...

Cynthia Merrill Artis...I forgot to ad in response to your comment on color...I was hoping that I had made it absolutely clear all through this thread that my submissions have absolutely nothing to do with color. The only color in Al-Islam is Muslim. Malcolm even made that quite plain in his autobiography.

Thank you... I am not taking offense or taking anything negative regarding this discussion. I appreciate your comments and teachings...

What you say, I cannot contradict...
And I would never ever place critisism on anyone's religious teaching. (Religion is Sensitive and private for some...
Although our teachings are through diverse religious origins, for the most part I think we focus on GOD.. or shall I say a Powerful Higher Power...
And again I will agree with you with regards to the Human Body's Structure (Temple).
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I just had those thoughts on my mind and wanted to get some insight from you... After all, my Brotha Robert says that I am a just Pagan Christian living for my Latin White Jesus!..
))LOL(( ......... with a loud outburst... I don't take it personal at all...

But at least I can say that I am a believer .... And that it was a long road for me to get to this comfortable place for my understanding of how my beliefs have shaped my life. And because of my confidence with my own spirituallity; allows me to be open and receptive of others religious practices.
I don't want to take away the central focus of this Blog

Imam WD Mohammed - Master Hypocrite, Pedophile & Liar!!!


If you, post a blog on this information matter... I would be happy to take part in that discussion.

Actually, it is my belief that blog was started by someone with a very diabolical aim. He does as it says Shaytan does in the Quran where he whispers an evil suggestion, and then withdraws after his whisper. This blogger must have had bad intent for opening up this can of worms. Whomever he/she is, he/she is sitting back laughing, as shaytan would, at all the folks who are arguing back and forth. The blogger may even be someone who is actively participating in this discussion under another identity? Hint...His name rhymes with Larry!!!

Cynthia Merrill Artis...I have really enjoyed my discussion with you. I think we both shared some equally useful knowledge. Thank you for sharing your side with me. It was with pure intent. I really appreciate that.

well my brother (real) David posted a blog.. Go check it out....
It's about Brother Malcolm... NOW I have to stand my ground WITH Malcolm X!!

and Madyun... Thank you as well...

))LOL((!!!

Harry is not at all the CULPRIT...
Remember he is Borderline Retarded with an 68Iq (his words/not mine) I simply call him
mentally unstable!!

oh and another thing.... There are so many "alias" on this website... We even have guys Yakkie... who also has female aliases... I mean really who does that... ???

ok.... My last point.... Madyun...

Harry is really soliciting "me" to join his new religious revolution!!
Yes, I am my brother's keeper...
Since he's the man ... establishing his own governing rules for religion...

I may have to follow suite or face the wrath for not following African Americans/Black Americans... first annointed Prophet...

Plus... I think Harry's got that good good ganja... ha! ha!

If Malcolm and you Mr. Madyun had enough sense to read God creation Malcolm and you Mr. Madyun would have followed suite that since we are Black Americans you all would want a Black American prophet rather than an Arab Prophet Mohammed am I right. Don’t the Arabian people have an Arab prophet, so wouldn’t make sense for you to also have a Black American prophet?

Irma Robinson...1. According to the Oxford Dictionary, ‘Women’s Rights are “rights that promote a position of legal and social equality of women with men’. According to the Webster’s dictionary.

‘Women’s rights claimed for women equal rights with those of men with respect to suffrage {right to vote}, property etc.

2. According to the Oxford dictionary, ‘Modernising’ means “to make modern, adapt to modern needs or habits. “Webster dictionary defines ‘Modernising’ as “to make modern, to give a new or modern character or appearance’. For example, to modernise one’s ideas. Therefore, modernising is a process of updating and opting for the betterment of the present status; modernising is not the present status itself.

3. Can we modernise ourselves in time to master our problems and realise a new and satisfying way of life for the whole human race?

I am not too concerned about the so called ‘modern’ ideas, conclusion, and categorical statements of scientists and inexperienced arm-chair experts on how life should be lived by women. I am more inclined to base my considerations and conclusions on truths which can be proven in experience. Experience and unbiased holistic factual analysis are the only sure test between the gold of truth and the glitter of theory.

Our thinking has to be checked against reality or our mental processes can lead us very much astray. Indeed the best brains of the day in earlier days believed the world to be flat.

4. If you agree with the picture portrayed by the Western media on the status and rights of women in Islam, you have no option but to believe that women’s rights in Islam are outdated.

All talk of women’s liberation in the West is actually a disguised form of exploitation of her soul.

The Western society while claiming to improve the status of women has actually degraded them to the status of concubines, mistresses and society butterflies, who are employed as mere tools at the hands of pleasure seekers and s*x marketers hidden behind the colourful screen of art and culture.

5. Islam’s radical revolutionary call gave women their due status and rights in society in times of the “Days of Ignorance” more than 1,4000 years ago.

One of the objectives of Islam was and continues to be of modernising the thinking, living, seeing, hearing and feelings of women and striving for women’s upliftment and emancipation in society.

Six Important Points to be Noted

1. Muslims constitute about 5th of the population of the world. Different Muslim societies have different cultures. Some of these cultures may be close to Islam while some others may be far away from Islam.

2. Status of women in Islam should be judged according to authentic sources of the teachings of Islam on the subject and not by observing what individual Muslim do or what any Muslim society does.

3. The authentic sources are: A) The Qur’an which is the word of Almighty God. b) Authentic Hadith or Sunah (tradition) of Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh).

4. The Qur’an will never contradict itself; nor would the authentic Hadiths contradict among themselves nor would the authentic hadith contradict the Qur’an.

5. Scholars differ at time. This difference on many occasions can be removed by analysing the Qur’an as a whole and not be deriving the meaning form one single verse. In cases of ambiguity many a time the clarification is given in some other part of the Qur’an. To support one idea the scholars quote a source and ignore other sources.

6. For a dedicated Muslim, be it a male or a female, the ultimate goal is to seek the pleasure of Allah and to fulfil our duties on earth as his trustees and not a satisfy one’s own ego or to gain fame.

Islam believes in equality between men and women. Equality does not mean identicality: it means equity. Islam presents the roles of men and women as complimentary roles and not contradictory or conflicting roles; the roles of partners with a common set of goals and objectives and not roles that conflict with each other with each of them having the objective of striving for supremacy.

Are there women who have leadership roles in Islam? If you may recall, Benazir Bhutto, a woman, was elected President of the Pakistan government. Benazir Bhutto ; 21 June 1953 – 27 December 2007) was a politician and stateswoman who served as the 11th Prime Minister of Pakistan in two non-consecutive terms from November 1988 until October 1990, and 1993 until her final dismissal on November 1996. She was the eldest daughter of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, a former prime minister of Pakistan and the founder of the Pakistan People's Party (PPP), which she led.

In 1982, at age 29, Benazir Bhutto became the chairwoman of PPP – a centre-left, democratic socialist political party, making her the first woman in Pakistan to head a major political party. In 1988, she became the first woman elected to lead a Muslim state and was also Pakistan's first (and thus far, only) female prime minister. Noted for her charismatic authority and political astuteness, Benazir Bhutto drove initiatives for Pakistan's economy and national security, and she implemented social capitalist policies for industrial development and growth. In addition, her political philosophy and economic policies emphasised deregulation (particularly of the financial sector), flexible labour markets, the denationalisation of state-owned corporations, and the withdrawal of subsidies to others. Benazir Bhutto's popularity waned amid recession, corruption, and high unemployment which later led to the dismissal of her government by conservative President Ghulam Ishaq Khan.

In 1993, Benazir Bhutto was re-elected for a second term after the 1993 parliamentary elections. She survived an attempted coup d'état in 1995, and her hard line against the trade unions and tough rhetorical opposition to her domestic political rivals and to neighbouring India earned her the nickname "Iron Lady";[3] she was also respectfully referred to as "B.B." In 1996, the charges of corruption levelled against her led to the final dismissal of her government by President Farooq Leghari. Benazir Bhutto conceded her defeat in the 1997 Parliamentary elections and went into self-imposed exile in Dubai, United Arab Emirates in 1998.

After nine years of self-exile, she returned to Pakistan on 18 October 2007, after having reached an understanding with President Pervez Musharraf, by whom she was granted amnesty and all corruption charges were withdrawn. Benazir Bhutto was assassinated in a bombing on 27 December 2007, after leaving PPP's last rally in the city of Rawalpindi, two weeks before the scheduled 2008 general election in which she was a leading opposition candidate. The following year, she was named one of seven winners of the United Nations Prize in the Field of Human Rights.

From From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benazir_Bhutt...

LETS KEEP IT 100 ......
There are a lOt of smart intelligent people commenting on this post can you image if all this was directed for a common cause ?

Malcolm X walked away from the NOI ,,,,

THERE IS a movement to keep black people down and some of our own people are at the for front promoting and wishing for the down fall of our black race If we dont take a stand against the negativity and stand as a road block for our people then who will !

Malcolm X saw and experienced many positive things. Generosity and open heartedness were qualities which were impressed on him by the welcome which he received in many places. He saw brotherhood and the brotherhood of different races and this led him to disclaim racism and to say: "I am not a racist... In the past I permitted myself to be used... to make sweeping indictments of all white people, the entire white race, and these generalizations have caused injuries to some whites who perhaps did not deserve to be hurt. Because of the spiritual enlightenment which I was blessed to receive as the result of my recent pilgrimage to the Holy City of Mecca, I no longer subscribe to sweeping indictments of any one race. I am now striving to live the life of a true Sunni Muslim. I must repeat that I am not a racist nor do I subscribe to the tenets of racism. I can state in all sincerity that I wish nothing but freedom, justice and equality, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for all people."


if you call yourself a muslin/religious and want peace but your at war with you brother/sister then your a hypocrite   ooch !!!!


1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
2.a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

we nee more unity among ourselves ,,,,

GOD ,ALLAH,YA, ASK A QUESTION !

I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!,,,"Isaiah 6:8

SEEMS LIKE HARRY IS THE ONLY ONE THAT SAID ,,,I'LL GO LORD SEND ME ??????

just saying !!!

we dont need a leader like Harry ,,!

"Truth is the only thing that most people do not believe."
~ Author unknown ~

A.B. Madyun,

I think it's time we go back to the ancient Egyptians, 3000 years before Islam, back to the time when women were worshiped as the goddess.

Have you ever wondered about the crown of Isis?

Irma, the NOI is now led by Louis Farrakhan, and he appears to me to lead it in the tradition of Elijah Muhammad. I base this opinion on having watched Elijah Muhammad's last Saviour's Day speech.

As expressed in the name that begins with "Nation".

David,

This is why I have to repeat myself because you don’t comprehend the first time. I said this before and I’ll have to say it again.

It is the entire race out of their hardships over a long period of time unable to solve their hardships reaches out to God by producing a man worthy to be anointed to receive God’s help and that man becomes the people’s prophet.

What I just explained is exactly how Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Mohammed and I became the prophet of our people to permanently fix their hardships. Prophet Abraham hardship was paganism. Moses hardship was sovereign freedom from Egypt. Jesus hardship was reforming his people’s morals and ways. Prophet Mohammed’s hardship was paganism. Prophet Harry’s hardship is similar to Moses, sovereignty and nationhood.

So, David all Black Americans need me since all Black Americans had a hand in producing me for God’s help. My presence indicates the presents of God in our midst.

Our time has come. Everything that I’ve been saying is going to happen in my life-time. Every body has been wrong and everybody now is wrong except me because I am the prophet.

Irma,

You are stupid! Did I not tell all of you that my revelations come directly from God? So, why would you lie and say that my guide lines come from non- Black Americans?

You have a bad mind and you are a no-good ass woman.

To be as old as you are the first thing you should stop doing is lying.

SUBJECT FOLKS

this blag has de*****ated a GREAT Muslim American

i write---IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN deleted AS obscenity

Abdul-Malik Muhammad, the AUTHOR, if IT is real----is OBSCENE

and----ANYONE that continues the COWARDLY attacks against a DEAD man is OBSCENE

typical 'blackStereotype'
--- lying-gossippy-filthy-cowardly-
----BIA, an African AMerican Family site SHOULD no longer in the Age of President Baraaka Hussein Obama CONDONE TRASH
--- please follow BIA Preamble and SHATTER this lying-gossippy-filthy-cowardICE

harry is OBSCENE ---- a selfProfessed 68 IQ retardant that can retard any SUBJECT

sweetIrma is OBSCENE(i agree with harry though--she is a liar and gossipper)
--- for the 478,251,333rd time -----
----Sunni and Shia Muslims believe AlQur'aan and the Sunnah of Mohamed(saw)---Shia just like Alî ibn Abî Ṭâlib son of Abu Talib and Fatima bint Asad, raised in the household of Mohamed(saw), who also was raised by Abu Talib----BETTER............
----noi1930 and neonoi2013 DO NOT believe AlQur'aan and the Sunnah of Mohamed(saw)

Sunni and Shia have Lived Together SINCE 622-----and 2013 there are 2 BILLION Sunni and Shia in the WORLD

noi1930-neonoi2013
-----have not SUBMITTED to AlQur'aan and the Sunnah of Mohamed(saw)----a couple in each major usaCity and a few in christian countries --- NONE in Muslim Lands..........

Robert, sorry to go off-topice yet again. Could you speak to NOI 1974?

Irma Robinson...I'm not sure of your meaning when you say that I'm speaking of Islam outside of the NOI that began in Detroit. Detroit was when the NOI began. Islam is the nature that Allah placed in man when He created Him. I hope that I'm not confusing anyone. I knew all of this before I even became a Muslim as we know it, because Muslim is our nature.

There is not a baby that is born upon this earth that does not come into the world in submission to the will of G_d. A baby has no choice because a baby knows nothing. But we have a choice once we reach the age of reasoning. These are coming out of our formative years when our minds become trained to accept certain concepts. Whereas when a baby is born according to it's nature that G_d places into that child, when that child matures into adulthood, it becomes whatever is prevalent in that environment. If that environment is not in accord with what Allah approves, unless He blesses the child to lift his spirit and his mind above it's corruption, than that child becomes what it lives.

The concept of the NOI is when the liberation of the black man in America began. Every ethnicity has a circumstance, and our circumstance was a very unique apart from any other ethnicity. No one race had suffered as much degredation, and the pain that we endured as a result of the enslavement of our forefathers. As was described by The Hon Elijah Muhammad, he said that we were found by Mr. Fard in a very pitiful condition. In our right minds we should recognize that not only were these injustices being done against black people, but also against a people who are part of humanity. We were humans before we were black.

We place too much importance on color. The white man had us calling ourselves colored at one time, but the Hon Elijah Muhammad taught us that the white man was the real colored man. Imam Mohammed told us that his father taught us that because the white man was the one that thinks in colors.

I just wanted to insert here while going over the subject matter here that, I think a lot of folks miss the point that when the Hon Elijah Muhammad passed, our religious community evolved away from the practice of the NOI into Islam proper, which was the original intent. Some don't accept that because they have not allowed their minds to evolve into the fact that Allah requires that we worship Him in the proper manner, and theat He put all peoples here on this earth together in order that we might cooperate together sharing in the growth and development of man.

Where folks get this concept confused, I believe, is because they have this belief that everything is supposed to be perfect. If you would just think about it for a second...if G_d had intended for man to be perfect, he would have created us as angels instead of human beings. He asks us in the Quran if we think that we will enter into His paradise without being tested. It's like when a person comes into a bank and wants to apply for a loan, once he applies for that loan, his background is thoroughly checked. Do you think that G_d is any different , and He was the one who gave us our intelligence?

Do men think that they will be left alone on saying, "We believe", and that they will not be tested?
(Holy Quran, Al-Ankaboot, 29:2)

YIKES!!!
Monday morning, I'm sitting at my desk hot curling my hair... putting on a little face enhancing techniques and I am reading "I hope not chauvenistic" comments regarding
The Woman! The Mother! The Female! The BIRTHER OF Man?

I must ask.... Mothers where have we gone wrong with our sons?

Harry you would not know GOD if you trip over him !!

Let me pray....
Father GOD I thank you for my two young men....
And that I have raised them to be of high standards and that is
To HONOR thy mother for she was the nurturer and provided the guidance to his
abilities to stand upright and have respect for himself, ME and all manking!!

And giving ME the strenght, Health, Guidance and Mercy to be both Mother and Father!!!
And I pray that you keep me on a higher plane of righteousness... so that I may always continue to a beacon of light!! Amen...

Harry ... turn the dayum mike off ... please!!!

Hello Mr. Madyun,

I usually don’t read your comments because you are always wrong about something. For example, you are wrong when you say Islam is the nature God placed in man when God created man and that is absolutely wrong.

Islam is a religion. A religion is the ways and means by which a people worship God. Islam was the religion that God gave to Mohammed to give to his Arabian people who at the time were into paganism. When the Arabs were being converted from paganism they had the religion of Islam to embrace.

Islam means submission to the will of God and certainly pagan worship is not submitting to the will of God. When the newly converts asked Mohammed what does Islam means Mohammed said any pagan Arab submitting to the will of God and a Muslim is an Arab who submits his will to the will of God.

You are lying and a damn liar when you say Islam is the nature God placed in man. All men are not Arabs. It would be wrong of God to place Islam in Black Americans and we are not Arabian people.

Our religion is name LIFE and gave this religion to me just as God gave Islam to Mohammed and Judaism to Jewish Prophet Abraham.

Prophet Mohammed is responsible for three things, the Islamic religion, the name Muslim and the Quran.
Likewise, I will be responsible for three things as well. I am responsible for Black America’s religion LIFE, the label LIFER and our Quran (book) when we begin to write it.

Elijah died an ignorant man and he hated his being a Black American man because he wanted to be an Arab and he couldn’t because no one can change how they were born. You are just as ignorant as Elijah was and you need to change.

Again you are a liar when you say God gave Islam to all of mankind. God certainly didn’t give Islam to the Jews because they already had Judaism and God certainly didn’t give Islam to Black Americans because God gave us the religion LIFE.

The analytical reason you see Islam as you do is because you are a wannabe Arab and you can’t be because you were born a dumb Black American man that I have to convert from Islam to our religion LIFE.

Cynthia,

You are dumb because you are concern about the wrong things. You should be concern about your Black American race having nation-hood.

You should be concern about Black Americans having our own of everything. Like our own prophet, our own religion, our own country and our own Bible.

You said you were free. I know that you are not free because you and our Black American race don’t provide for our own healthcare. We depend on White America for our healthcare.

With all due respect your sons and you are stupid because we Black Americans don’t provide for our own education. And, what makes us extremely stupid is that our time has come just like when the Children of Israel time had come you don’t want to go out on your own. You are stupid big-time.

Irma Robinson...Any and everyone can be a Muslim, but everyone can't be a believing one. There are some Christians (and others) who are more of a believing Muslim than some of the people who claim to be.


The desert Arabs say, "We believe." Say, "Ye have no faith; but ye (only) say, 'We have submitted our wills to Allah,' For not yet has Faith entered your hearts. But if ye obey Allah and His Messenger, He will not belittle aught of your deeds: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
(H.Q., 49:14)
Only those are Believers who have believed in Allah and His Messenger, and have never since doubted, but have striven with their belongings and their persons in the Cause of Allah: Such are the sincere ones.
(H.Q., 49:15)

Say: "What! Will ye instruct Allah about your religion? But Allah knows all that is in the heavens and on earth: He has full knowledge of all things.
(H.Q., 49:16)

Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.
(H.Q., Al-Ahzab, 33:40)

Thus does Allah seal up the hearts of those who understand not. (Such as Harry)
(H.Q., Ar-Room, 30:59)

Locked In??

Harry my ole wuss .....
You could never ever have me locked in!!!

As a Free Woman of Color....
I have the self governship to know that health care is provided by the white corporation of America...

And as a Woman of Color... I know that even after hundreds of years Education is also provided through the United States - White Corporation....

However, my sons although are educated through EuroCentric Construct!!!!

I STILL EDUCATE MY SONS OF THE GREATNESS OF MY PEOPLE!! aFRICAN AND NATIVE Decendents....

And one thing I can bet my last pair of Jimmy Choo's ...... You my long lost mentally challenged.... dumb Azz fake wanna be Profit... Yeah Profit!!!

Cannot challenge my intelligence with a meter stick.... And further more.... YOU keep it up... and I won't play with you anymore!!

U' Ole Jack Azz Loon!!!!!

Idiot Madyun,

Don’t be mis-led how the truth is worded. Can you see the essence of what is being asked for because that is what’s important and not how it’s worded.

Find something of value to whine and complain about stupid.

What you need to do is show me where I am wrong like I show you when and were you a wrong.

Your stupid Black American ass needs to give up Islam because you are not an Arab. Don’t you know why prophets are racially different? Prophets are different so that the most ignorant could easily know and find his prophet because there must be a racial match.

You are worst than ignorant because you don’t match the race of Mohammed idiot.

Cynthia,

Do Black Americans provide our own health care?

I don't know about America.... But I know a few Black Americans that can provide a lil sumn sumn for what ever ails u!!!

And I got just the thing for you!!

Harry
You are NO Match for my Sassy!!!!

..............{Someone who is full of themselves but in a good way. They're cheeky, lively, smart, saucy, slightly impudent, mouthy, cocky, energetic, loud and extremely talkative}


Like I....possessing the attitude of someone endowed with an ungodly amount of cool©

Harry again...

"I know a few Black Americans that can provide a lil sumn sumn for what ever ails u!!!"

And it ain't provided by no dayum health care provider either !! Azz Hole!!!

but you can't have any.... can cause it can interfere with your PsychoTrophic Meds!!!
sssshhhhh... relax, calm down, and let your meds do it's job....

Cynthia,

You don’t understand what I am saying. I once thought that you were smarter than Helen is and I can honestly say that Helen comprehend faster and better than you do.

Stupid when you don’t have your own country it is not possible that are providing your own healthcare.

Cynthia, maybe we could write and try to get Harry a spot on Iyanla Fix My Life.

Steve... LOL you see the show with DMX... oh you did... that's Harry -10 degrees of dumbness...

@Harry..
In my WORLD... There is peace, tranquility, calm... and most importantly.... NO FOOLISHNESS" iF that's a negative fatory to having your stupid nation.... SO be it!!

Leave me and mines to my world of white american health care.... lack of understanding to your 68iq.... and your plight to having a country/continent/island was your baffoonish Azz...

I told you when you are off your meds... you can be such as B%#CH!!!!!

However, since Today is Be Kind To A Jack Azz Fool Day...

I will extend... a cyber ))kiss((
and
tell you as lady like as I can..... Get Your Life.Com

and leave the daym Red Skittles Alone....

Harry's trying his best to get under my skin. Nice try, Harry! Keep it up, dude!! You're sounding more and more like satan's prophet each word!!!. Let me be the first to compliment you on your intelligent use of the language too!! You sound real educated...you know? SMH ROFL

Most people resort to name calling out of anger, so I guess I must have made Harry angry. Wow! Take it easy, Harry!! It ain't that serious, dude!!! I guess them meds ain't workin', Cynthia!!! LOL

LIKE I SAID ,,,HARRY IS LIKE A STRIPPER WITH GUN SHOT WOMBS ,
ALL SHOT OUT ! NO ONE IS BUY THAT BS !

Harry Watley...

"Hello Mr. Madyun,

I usually don’t read your comments because you are always wrong about something. For example, you are wrong when you say Islam is the nature God placed in man when God created man and that is absolutely wrong."

As if declaring yourself as a prophet ain't bad enough (your meds just aren't working today) now you're going to define my religion for me. Now that's what I call negro brilliance! Bruh!!! you got smarts, but it must be in yo' draws!!!! ROFL SMH

lol....

bottomLine

exblogKing djohnson is Cartoon Author Abdul-Malik Muhammad

AND

a FILTHY trashyBeing with NO courage-----to de*****ate a deceased MAN ---

Our Brother Imam Warith Deen Muhammad --- May Allaah Reward the Doers of GOOD.....

@EL AMEEN...JUST USING EVERY DAY COMMON SENSE ABOUT DIETS...

ONE WOULD NOT EXPECT PEOPLES LIVING IN THE DESERT TO HAVE A DIET DOMINATED BY SEAFOODS NOR PEOPLE IN ALASKA HAVING A DIET DOMINATED BY STRAWBERRYS NOW WOULD WE...

'CAUSE' ALWASY LEADS TO 'EFFECT' (SMILE)

@DOC, I AM SEEING A LOT OF WHAT A.B. SAYS IN MY OWN FAITH AFTER THEORIGINAL BUDDA PASSED AWAY...BUDDHA WAS A MAN WHO TAUGHT 'HUMANITY' AND YET MORE MONEY COULD B E MADE BY TURNINGHIM INTO A GOD AND A WAY TO PLAY THE BLAME, I AM THE VICTIM GAME...

I AM GLAD TO BE LEARING ABOUT ISLAM FROM BOTH SIDES THAT OF A.B. AND SIEBRA...ROBERT'S TALKING ABOUT ALLAH IS A LOST INTO HATE AND DIVISON CAUSE..

AND, I MUST ADMIT, I ALWAYS TEND TO SIDE WITH THE SIDE THAT REFUSE TOPLAY THE BLAME/ VICTIM GAME BECAUSE IT REPRESENTS ME AND MY HUMAN VALUES MORE DIRECT. (S-M-I-L-E)

AND, BESIDES THAT DOC. I BELIEVE HARRY AS ABOUT TO SIGN A CONTRACT WITH TO TRAVEL ALL OVER TH EPLANET TO GET RECOGNIZED (PLUS YOU ALWAYS HAVE HIS MEDS. ON HAND.LOL!!!)YOU EXCLUSIVE BEFORE A.B. MADE HIS PLAY FOR A COMEDY CONTRACT. (OTFL)(SMILE)

@STEVE, I KEEPPOSTING BLOGS TRYNG TO FIND THE SAME ANSWER YOU SEEK, BECAUSE HEALING CAN ONLY BEGIN WITH THE CAUSE...BUT THEN WE GET RIGHT BACK INTO HUMAN BEHAVIOR AND WHY I ALWAYS RESIST PLAYING THE BLAME GAME...AND SO FAR IT SEEM THAT A.B. IS THE ONLY ONE ON THIS POST OFFERING TANGABLE THINGS WE CAN GO LOOK UP FOR OUR OWN SELVES...WE MUST ALWYS TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE USE OR ABUSE OF OUR OWN BRAIN POWERS...

AGAIN SOMETHING THAT IS MORE LIKE ME THAN SETTLEING FOR THE BLAME GAME, AS "I" AM NOT NOR WILLI EVER BE A VICTIM. (S-M-I-L-E)

@STEVE, WHICH GETS HUAMN BEHAVIORS RIGHT BACK TO PLAYING THE VICTIM, BLAME GAME THAT THE INDIVIDUAL MUST NOT TAKE ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR OWN BEHAVIORS...

SO IF I AM WILLING TO GO OUT OF MY WAY TO DISTORT THE ORIGINIAL MESSAGES IN ORDER TO BRING SOWN MY OWN FAITH WHY IN THE HELL SHOULD I THEN BLAME THE WHITE MAN FOR WHAT I AM DOING TO MYOWN?!? (NUP)...ME, I WANT THE ORIGINAL AS IT ALL MUST BEGIN SOME PLACE SO WHERE DOES THENOI BEGIN AND IS IT NOT TEH OTTOMAN EMPIRE V THE ARABIAN OIL KINGS OR WHAT?!?...

I NEVER SAW ANY OF THIS BEFORE THE DEATH OF MALCOM X AS I REMEMBER THE NOI...

...AS I SEE IT ON THIS SITE IT IS MORE IN THE DIRECTION OF ROBERT'S LETS TOTALLY DISTROY THE NOI AND BLAME IT ALL ON 'SLAVE AMERICA'S CHRISTIANITY' AND HE ROBERT CAN CLAIM BEING INNOCENT OF THE DISTRUCTION OF TH EORIGINAL MESSAGE, MESSANGERS OF THE ORIGINAL NOI SINCE HIS HANDS ARE CLEAN SINCE HE ONLY FOLLOW HE WISHED OF ALLAH!!!ALLAH IS FOR PEACE AND UNITY AND RESPECTIN OUR FEMALES NOT WHAT IS BEING SAID TODAY NOT ONLY AS RELATED TO ISLAM BUT TO ANYONE WITH DARK SKIN (MAINLY THE MALES WHO USE THE FEMALES AS s*x SLAVES SINCE THE MOTHER ROLE NO LONGER EXIST)...AS THE ONLY ONE CAPABLE FO 'VIOLANCE' IN AMERICA

...DIDN'T ANYONE HEAR THE CALL OUT NOW FROM PEOPLE LIKE CONGRESSMAN PETER KING ON LETS SHUT OFF ALL LEGAL, HUMAN, RELIGIOUS,RIGHTS IN AMERICA TO M-U-S-L-I-M-S AS HAVING ANYTHING TO DO WITH THEM BELIEVEING OUR PRESIDENT IS A CLOSET MUSLIM?!?...

THESE PEOPLE DON'T GIVE A GOOD GOOD G-D DAMN IF THAT MUSLIM PLACE OF WORSHIP OR COMMUNITY IS ****TI OR SUNNI?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????...AS JUST SAID ON THECYCLE@MSNBC BY TOURI..."THESE PEOPLE ARE GETTING INTOLYNCH MOB MODE IN AMERICA"...

WAKE UP...!!!...(NUP!!!)

O.K. IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET AN ANSWER TO THIS AND I MAYBEE ABLE TO FIND SOME OF WHAT I AM AFTER ON MY VERY OWN...WAS THE 'ORIGINAL NOI SUNNI OR SHIITI?...

THANKS IF A TRUCE CAN BE CALLED LONG ENOUGH TO HELP AN OUT SIDER TRYING TO LEARN SOMETHING ABOUT THE 'NOI' (SMILE)

WITH THIS IS MIND I SHALL LEAVE YOU ALL IN PEACE...AFTER THE END OF THE AFGAN WAR WITH RUSSIA AN AFGAN WARLORD SAID THIS, "OH ITS ALRIGHT BECAUSE IF WE WERE NOT FIGHTING THE RUSSIANS, WE WOULD BE FIGHTING AMONG OUR SELVES. (SMILE)

THANK YOU VERY, VER MUCH FOR THOSE TO ME MAGIC WORDS, "NATIONALISTIC MOVEMENT"...I USE TO ATTEND THE MOSQUE IN SACRAMENTO WITH A CLOSE FRIEND WHO IS A MEMBER OF THE NOI...MY GREATEST MOMENTS THERE WAS THE UNITY AND AS SHE AND I WOULD ALWAYS ATTEND ALONE THE YOUNG MEN WOULD EXCORT US TO OUR CAR OPEN TEH DOOR AND WATCH UNTIL WE WERE OUT OF THEIR SIGHTS(BE IT DAY OR NIGHT)...

AND IT IS WHY ON THIS SITE ALL I CAN GET IS OPEN WARFARE AND NOT ONE ANSWER AS TO WHAT IN THE WORLD IS HAPPENING/ HAS HAPPENED TO THE NOI HAD ME AT A TOTAL LOST...AND, I WAS JUST GOING TO LET IT ALL GO...

AGAIN THANKS SO MUCH A.B. (SMILE) I CAN NOW RELAX WHEN I CONTINUE TO HEAR THESE THREATS SO OUT THER NOW AGAINST THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY AT LARGE, THERE ARE NO MUSLIMS IN MY AREA AT ALL...

IN A WEIRD WAY IT NOWMAKES PERFECT SENSE THE DETROIT ONE CAN SAY IS NO LONGER A PART OF THE USA...DETROIT HAS NO RIGHTS GRANTED TO ALL OTHER CITIES AND STATES UNDER OUR FEDIEAL GOVERNMENT!!!...

I REPAET IT MAKES PURE SENSE WHY NOT START WIT OUR NOT BEING ABLE TO VOTE AND THEN HERE COMES DETROIT...AS WE REAMIN MUSY PLAYING THE VICTIM TH EMAN DID IT TO US BULL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (NUP)...

OOPS FORGOT WE CAN'T SAY WORDS THEY HAVE BANNED US FROM SAYING AS WELL BUT THEY CAN STILL SAY THEM!!!!!!!!!!!...

AND, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK WHY DID JESSE JACKSON TURN ON MINISTER FARRAKHAN...I DO KNOW WHY THE MORE WE LEARNDED ABOUT JJ THE MORE WE DISLIKED HIM AND AN ORGANIZATION WAS FORMED TO MAKE HIM NULL AND VOID TO THE EXTENT IF ONE NOTICES TODAY THE MEDIA NOLONGER REFERS TO HIM AS A 'BLACK LEADER'!!!!!!!!!!!!!...YES WE CAN REFUSE TO PLAY VICTIM...(S-M-I-L-E)

NOW THAT I LOOK BACK ON IT REV. SHARPTON AND BHO ALWAYS SAY , "NOI"...BOY, THIS IS WHY I SO LOVE LEARNING FROM ALL POINTS OF VIEW THEN MAKING UP MY MIND WITH EVEN MORE ANDMORE FACTS AND TANGABLE PROOFS. (SMILE)

@MY BEAUTIFUL ALMOST PERFECT DAUGHTER, YOU KNOW ME WELL ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT LEARNING IS A PRIORITY TO ME...I AM SO GRATEFUL TO A.B. FO R ANSWERING ME IN FULL DETAILS NOW I NEED TO LEARNSOMETHING FROM YOU...

IF SUNNI AND SHIITI WAS NOT A PART OF THE ORIGINAL NOI HOW AND WHEN DID IT BECOME SUCH A GREAT CONTENTION OF YOURS AND ROBERT'S HAS ME STILL CONFUSED ON THE ISSUE, DID THIS DIVISION IN ANY WAY CONTRIBUTE TO MALCOM X'S DEATH IN ANY WAY...AS FAR AS ROBERT GOES AND HARRY GOES IT DOES SEEM LIKE THEY WANT TO GET RID OF THE NOI AND START THEIR OWN VERSION OF IT...SO THIS LEAVES ME STILL STUCK ON SHIITI AND SUNNI AS MORE OF A LESS THAN MORE THEN THAN SOCIAL LADDER MATTER THAN ANY THING ELSE TO DO WITH THE FAITH...

AS MUCH LIKE BLACKS ARE LESS THAN WHITES...LOV, DO YOU SEE MY OCNCERN AS RIGHT NOW MUSLIMS, PERIOD SEEM TO BE IN TROUBLE THE WHITE GODS POWERS THAT BE . (NUP/ SMILE)

NOT TAKING SIDES ONLY STATING THEFACTS...I AM A NICHIREN DAISHONIN BUDDHIST AND I MENTION THIS TO TRY AND SHOW HOW THE 'HUMANISM' IN THE NOI IS ALMOSTLY EXACTLY LIKE MY FAITH...WE MUST BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MY OWN BEHAVIORS...AFTER THE DEATH OF TH EORIGINAL BUDDAH HIS MESSAGE GOT LOST A LOT LIKE IT SEEM DID THE NOI...AS WE ARE TODAY GOT REBUTTED IN THE 30S IT GOT REVIVED INJAPAN DURING WWII AND A LOT OF OUR LEADERS GOT ACCUSED AND SENT TO PRISON AND STILL TO DAY WE RESIST THE PRIEST IN THE TEMPLE AS THEY WANT MONEY AND OBEDIENCE WHICH WE REFUSE TO GIVE...BUT WE ALSO RELIZE TAHT WE CAN ONLY BE DISTROYED FROM WITHIN AS THERE ARE LOTS MORE THAN US READY TOHELP US SELF DISTRUCT...

PERSONALLY I BELIEVE THE ROBERTS AND THE HARRYS ARE THE GREATEST THREATS BECAUSE WITH THEM COMES THE SUNNI, SHIITIS AND DISTASTE FOR BLACKS IN AMERICA AS BENEITH THEM AND CLAIM THEY ARE DOING IT AT THE PLEASUER OF MOSES AND ALLAH...

WHAT I MEAN IS THE SHIITIS AND SUNNI AND MOSES ARE IN THE MIDDLE-EAST SO WHERE DOES OUR RACE STAND A CHANCE IN THE NOI IF IT IS A NATIONALISTIC MOVEMENT IS BEYOND ME! (NUP/ SMILE)...

AS A PROUD MEMBER OF THE BLACK RACE , "I" WILL REPEAT WE CAN ONLY BE DISTROYED FROM WITHIN...AND, I WILL ALSO SAY AGAIN, I AM NOT A VICTIM AND HAVE NEVER BEEN AND HAVE NO INTENTION OF EVER BECOMING ONE...

"I" BELIEVE IT IS NECESSARY TO TRY TO SHOW WHEE IAM COMING FROM DUE TO OUR SOCIAL NORMS TO BE LIMITED TO COLOR OF SKIN, RELIGION TO MINE IS RIGHT AND YOURS IS WRONG...

I BELIEVE WE SEE THE WORLD TROUGH THE EYES OF OUR OWN CULTURE THEREFORE I SPEAK IN CULTURE NOT SKIN COLOR. OUR CULTURE IS AND HAS HAD TO CHANGE IN ORDER TO SURVIVE IN AMERICA AND IS WHAT I MEAN BY ONLY WE CAN DISTROY IT FROM WITHIN.(SMILE)

WHAT I REJECT ON A PERSONAL LEVEL IS THA T SAYING THAT WE ARE THE FIRST ONE STO BE HUMAN LIKE AND THAT CIVILIZATION AS WE KNOW IT SUCH AS BUILDING NATION STATES AS FAR BACK AS 5,000 YEARS AGO WE HAD TO WAIT UNTIL 1,400 YEARS AGO T O LEARN WE COULD DO THINGS LIKE THIS AND STILL HAD TO WAIT AGAIN UNTIL PRESIDENT ABE L. SO WE COULD BEGIN TO MAKE IT BEGIN TO WORK FOR US...SO WE COULD END UP DIVIDING AND CONQUORING EACH OTHER...

NOPE, STILL PUTS ME INTO THE VICTIM, BLAME GAME OF "I" AM LESS THAN AND TOTALLY DEPENDANT ON ALL BUT ME TO BE ABLE TO LIVE MY LIFE AS A CAPABLE PERSON. (SMILE)

ANYONE NOTICE WHAT IS GOIN GON IN IRAQ RIGHT NOW?...SOMETHING I NOTICED WHEN WE WERE HIT BY AFGANISTAN AND AS BEN LADEN WANTED OUR ECONOMY WENT INTO THE TANK...

AFTER T EOSTER OF S. H. THE NEW APOINTED IRAQI PM UNLIKE S.H. WOULD GO TO IRAN AND VISIT HIS SUPREME RELIGIOUS LEADER AND EACH TIME UPON HI9S RETURN WAS A RESURGANCE OF YANKEE GO HOME...AND, NOW TH ESHIITI AND SUNNI ARE SO BUSY KILLING EACH OTHER OFF...GUESS WHAT, AMERICA CAN NOW SAY WELL DONE AS THEY WILL BE AT TIS UNTIL SOMEONE ELSE COMES IN AND MAKE ONE OR THE OTHER OF THE MUSLIM RELIGION TEHFELIGION OF THE LAND...DON'T FORGET TH ESAME TING HAPPENED IN IRAN AS LONG AS THEY HAD A FELIGIOUS LEADER NOT OF TE PEOPLE OF IRAN'S CHOSOING BUT OF AMERICA'S CHOOSING...

THE MUSLIMS CAN DO A BETTER JOB ON EACH OTHER THAN AMERICA CAN DO...ALL AMERICAN CHRISTIANS HAVE TO D IS KEEP THAT POT STIRRED UP WHAT MUSLIM RELIGION IS DOMINATE IN SYRIA TODAY BECAUSE THE RIGHT-WINGERS ARE SURE TRYING TO GET OBAMA TO ALLOW THEM TO MAKE THE FINAL DECISION ON THIS. (NUP)

SURE T HE MUSLIM RELIGION IS GROWING FAST IN AMERICA, BUT IT IS TIED TO TH E WARS IN THEMIDDLE-EAST AND NOT THE WAR IN AMERICA WITH THE NOI!!! AND IS GOING TO GET EVEN BIGGER FOR THE SAME REASON AS THE WARS IN TH EMIDDLE-EAST AND WHY THEY PICKED POPR FRANCIS I...THE EVANGELICAL RELIGION THE RELIGION OF JIM CROW MUST BE STOPPED AND ONE SEES THIS NOT IN THE RISE OF THEMUSLIM FAITH BECAUSE IT IS NOT DOMINATE IN AMERICA BUT THE CHRISTIANS LEAVEING AND REJECTING THE CHRISTIAN FAITH TRYING TO DOMINATE THEIR RIGHTS TO BE THE BEST PERSONS THE CAN BE HAVE THEM NO LONGER FEARING GOING TO HELL...

OR AS DOC. SAY, THE BET O PUTTING THEIR LIVES IN TH EHANDS OF MAN IS NO LONGER THERE...MANKIND IS TRYING TO USE RELIGION TO DISTROY THE WHOLE PLANT IS BEING RELAIZED AS A F-A-C-T (S-M-I-L-E)

"I" AM SURE THE NOI BEGAN AS AN ORGANIZATION T O AND FOR THE BETTERMENT / UNITY OF OUR COMMUITY, AM I RIGHT? NOT AS SOMETHING TO FARTHER DIVIDE OUR COMMUNITY, RIGHT? ...

AT LEAST THIS IS WHAT I SHALL TAKE AWAY WITH ME ABOUT THE NOI IS IT WAS CREATED TO UNIFY FOR THE BETTERMENT OF UR COMMUNITY AT LARGE. (SMILE)

AT LEAST THAT IS WHAT I SHALL TAKE AWAY WOTH ME.(SMILE)

@DOC, A.B. I SECOND ON THE BLOG IDEA...

AND AS FOR YOUR COMMENT ABOVE THIS ONE DOC. HAS TO DO WITH OUR NEED TO REJECT SIMPLE THINGS LIKE YOU METIONED ABOUT THE JEWS IS TO REJECT THE SIMPLE FOR THE COMPLICATED SO PURE IGNORANCE RULES. (NUP/ SMILE)

@DOC, PLEASE DON'T FORGET ROBERT'S BELIEF OF THE WOMAN IS ONLY AN OBJECT FO RMAN'S PLEASURE...OOPS, NOW WHERE ELSE DO I FIND THIS IN BETWEEN ALL OF THE NAME DEMEANINGS AS RELATED T OSKIN COLOR? LOL!!! (SMILE)...

I ACTUALLY DROP IN FOR TH ELESSSONS NOT THE INSULTINGS...

...AND, BUILDING ON MY KNOWLEDGE OF THE CHRISTIANS IN THEIR TEACHINGS TEN D TO SHOW THE FEMALE AS RAISING TO GET HONORABLE MENTIONS IS BY WAY OF THE FEMALE BEING A s*x SLAVE, OBJECT FOR REPRODUCTIONS, ECT....NOT LEADERSHIP LEADING ROLES VIA BRAIN POWERS...

A.B. FOR A LONG TIME I HAVE BEEN WONDERING IF PART OF THE(MAYBE BACK DOOR) DISMISSAL ALMOST OF WHAT MY BEAUTIFUL ALMOST PERFECT DAUGHTER, SIEBRA,'S CONTRABUTIONS TO THIS TOPIC OF YOU AND ACCEPTANCE BY SOME AS WELL HAS ANY THING TO DO WITH HER BEING A WOMAN OUT OF HER PLACE FOR SPEAKING OUT AND UP AGAINST THE ALMIGHT MIGHT AND LEADERSHIP OF THE MALES...SO I ASK NOT JUST THE SUNNI BUT THE SHIITI...

DO YOU HAVE ANY FEMALES AS LEADERS AS EQUALS IN YOUR FAITH, TEACHINGS, BELIEFS...AS 'LEADERS' NOT AS FOLLOWERS SINCE I DO BELIEVE AS MEMBERS OF TH EHUMAN RACE, WOMEN HAVE EQUAL BRAIN POWERS ?!? (NUP/SMILE)...

AND ON THE PERSONAL, "I" AM NOT A L-E-S-S- THAN IN ANY THING MAN CAN COME UP WITH REASONS TO GET ME TO NOT BELIEVE THIS AS F-A-C-T...IN FACT UNTIL MAN CAN FIND OUT A WAY TO HAVE ANOTHER HUMAN TO COME INTOLIFE WITH OUT THE FEMALE'S BODY THAN I WILL EVEN GO SO FAR AS TO SAY AS A MEMBER OF THE FEMALE SPECIES, TH EFEMALE IS GREATER IN HUMAN POWERS/ CONTRABUTIONS TOMANKIND.LOL!!! (S-M-I-L-E)

IF THERE ARE NONE THEN I MUST CONTINUE GOIN GON WHAT I HAVE LEARNED AS WELL AS HAVING EXPERIENCED IN MY LIFE'S EXPERIENCES ON THIS MATTER...REMEMBER MY SAYING I ACCEPT 'TANGABLE PROOFS' AS MY GUIDE...

PLEASE DON'TMISSUNDERSTAND ME TO THE POINT OF TRYING TO SAY I AM NOT COMING FROM THE NATURAL LAWS THAT GOVERNS THE SURVIVAL OF THEHUMAN SPECIES AS IN BEING ABLE TO PRODUCE HUMAN BEINGS AT A GREATER NUMBER THAN MAN CAN FIND REASONS / WAYS TO KILL EACH OTHER OFF...I AM ABOUT TO POST A BLOG ON THIS VERY FACT...HOW THE AVERAGE RELIGION IS NO DIFFERENT THAN SLAVERY UNLESS WE CAN PROVE BOTH AE NOT CREATED ON A FOUNDATION OF ...

REWARD AND PUNISHMENTS AS THE DEPENDANCY OF OBEY AND BE REWARDED / LIVE FOR DOING SO...DISOBEY AND PUNISHMENT /DEATH TO THE OFFENDER. (NUP/SMILE)...

SOME EXAMPLES, NO ONE TAUGHT ME WHEN I WAS HUNGRY, HAD A HEADACHOR WHAT MAKES ME SMILE OR TO DISLKE BEING ABUSED...BUT I DID USE TO BELONG TO A RELIGION THAT TAUGHT ME TO EE MY FELLOW MAN AS LESS THAN IF THEY WERE NOT CATHOLIC LIKE I WAS AND THAT AS A FEMALE I WAS EVEN LESSER THAN AND IF I REJECTED ANY OF THIS I WOULD GO TO HELL...LETS SEE IF I COME TO THIS POST AND SEE WHAT AMOUNT TO THE SAME LOGIC ONLY UNDER A DIFFERENT NAME AND STILL YET THE SAME KINDS OF REWARD AND PUNISHMENTS OFFERED AS IN SLAVERY OR AS IN AMERICA'CHATEL SLAVERY SINCE AS BISHOP JAKES GETS HIS JETS TO TEACH TOE NOT HAVING COME UNDER THIS FORM OF SLAVERY WILL NOT MEET TEH CREATOR AND YES SOME EAT IT UP, ME I DON'T BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN THERE , DONE THATAND DON'T EXPECT TO GET AN ANSWER ABOUT SIEBRA AS WELL?!? (SMILE)

...OH, AND "I" DO NOT MAKE CLAIMS OF BEING EQUAL..."I" LIVE IT!!!...AND, MAY I ALSO ADD TO THIS ABOUT THE FEMALE AS NOT A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT BUT AS A 'NATURAL CONSTRUCT OF THE POWERS OF HER "NATURAL BODY"...A WOMAN NEEDS A MAN IN HER LIFE FOR BEING ABL TO GIVE BRITH OR TO FEED AND CLOTE HER OR TO PROVIDE SHELTEER ANOTHER NON SOCIAL CONSTRUCT BUT NEED FOR SURVIVAL OF A-L- HUMANS: FOOD, AIR, WATER AND SHELTER SOME PLACE ON PLANET EARTH...

BUT LIKE MOTHER MARY THE MOTHER OF JESUS...THE FEMALE DON'T HAVE TO COME IN DIRECT CONTACT WITH THE FATHER SPECIES TO HAVE HER BODY ACCEPT HIS SPERM AND TO GIVE BIRTH...KIND O FWIPES OUT THE BELIEF THAT WOMEN MUST BE s*x OBJECTS, UNPAID SERVENTS TO BE ALL SHE CAN BE. (S-M-I-L-E)...

AND, "I" CHANT (PRAY) THAT AT LEASE OUR BLACK COMMUNITY WILL BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THIS AND MAYBE IN A FEW MORE GENERATIONS WE CAN BE ABLE TO OVER COME THIS SELF FULLING PROPHACY THAT OUR MALE CHLDREN ARE WORTHLESSS OUT TO DISTROY AMERICA IF THIER FATHERS DIE, ARE OFF FIGHTING WARS, ARE SICK MENATALLY/ PHYSICALLY WORKIN, IN SCHOOL OUT OF STATE, ECT. AND CAN NOT BE PERSONALY IN THE HOME...AND THE LAWS THAT WILL NOT ALLOW OUR PREGNANT TEENS CAN BE ABOLISHED WHERE TIS CHILD CAN REMAIN IN THE FAMILY HOME AND SHE CAN STILL CAN GET HEALTH CARE AND HOME TRAINING JUST AS WE ABOLISHED THELAWS THAT MADE IT ILLEGAL FOR THE BLACK FATHER TO LIVE IN THE SAME HOME WITH HIS WIFE AND CHILDERN FOR THESE SAME EXACT REASONS NOT TOOMANY GENERATIONS AGO...

WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGATHER DUE TO THE COLOR OF OUR SKIN SO LETS NOT CONTINUE DOING EVERY THNG IN OUR POWERS TOALLOW RELIGIONS TO KEEP US FROM MOVING FORWARD AND NOT BACK WARD AS JIM CROW ISNTRYING TO GET US TO DO...P-L-E-A-S-E!!! 9NUP/SMILE)

THAT OUR PRESIDENT BECAME PRESIDENT DUE TO HIS CHARATER AND HIS EDUCATION AND HIS RESPECT FOR NOT WANTING WAR WITH SUNNI OR SHIITI MUSLIMS BECAUSE HE VALUED HUMAN LIFE AND NOT JUST BECAUSE HE WAS RAISED BY A SINGLE MOTHER WHO JUST HAPPENED TO NOT HAVE BLACKSKIN!!! (NUP/ SMILE)...

AND, NO I AM NOT ASKING WE LOVE OR EVEN RESPECT EACHOTHER OR OUR RELIGIONS...I ONLY BEG WE LEARN OUR BIA HISTORY AND TRY TO CONTINUE THE STRUGGLE USING TH ESURVIVAL TACTICS THAT HAS AND STILL WORKS FO RUS AS A RACE, AS A CULTURE...

@A.B. IF I AM CORRECT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TH ENOI THAT YOU SAID CAME TO LIFE IN DETROIT SO HOW ARE YOU TELLING ME ABOUT ISLAM OUT SIDE OT THE NOI AS IN WOMEN LEADERSHIP...PLEASE EXPLAIN AS I AM NOWWITH YOUR ANSWER ONWOMEN IN LEADERSHIP IN THE N-O-I HAS ME RIGHT BACK TO THE NOI IS BASED NOT ON OUR AMERICAN COMMUNITY BETTERMENT BUT ON PROMOTING THE ENDLESS FIGHT BETWEEN THE MUSLIMS OF TH EPERSIAN EMPIRE AND THOSE NOT OF THIS PROUD CLAIM TO HISTORY OF THIS EMPIRE THE ARABIANS.(NUP)

WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT TRUTH IS SO CORRECT A.B. AND IF NOT TRUE THEN THERE WOULD NOT BE A MUSLIM BELIEF DEFINED AS SUNNI V SHIITI V NOI NOW WOULD IT???

ME, I STICK WITH THE LESS STRESS FUL...WE ARE ALLINDIVIDUAL AND WE WILL ALWAY S BALANCE AS IN FOR EVERY 'CAUSE' WE MAKE/ DON'T MAKE ON OUR LIVES, OUR ENVIORNEMENT THERE IS GOING TO BE AN 'EFFECT' WE CNA ACCEPT IT AS INDIVIDUAL CAUSED OR EFFECT OR WHAT EVER CREATOR WE CHOSE TO SAY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS BECAUSE IT IS A REALITY. (SMILE)

"I" SHALL LEAVE NOW AND AWAIT AND ANSWER TO MY QUESTION IN REGARDS TO SIEBRA AS IN HER BEING THEBEST PERSON SHE CAN BE ACCEPTED OR REJECTED BY ANYONE'S ALLAH OR NOT AS DIRECTED BY THE NOI THAT BEGANIN DETROIT. THER ESO FAR HAVE BEENMANYDIFFERENT 'TRUTHS ON THE QURAN FOR AT LEAST ONE ANSWER , RIGHT?(SMILE)

@HARRY WHICH ONLY GETS YOU RIGHT BACK TO YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT BLACK AMERICA NEEDS OR WANTS BECAUSE YOUR GUIDE LINE IS NOT FROM BLACK AMERICA BUT FROM NON BLACK AMERICANS UNLESS THOSE YOU SPEAK OF HAD KNOWLEDGE THAT EVEN ONE DAY THERE WOULD BE AN 'AMERICA' AT ALL...SO HARRY WHICH IS YOUR OWN TRUTH...YOU ARE FULLING TH ENEEDS AND WANTS OF AMERICA BASED ON NONBLACK AMERICANS NEEDS AND WANTS O RNOT?!? (SMILE)...MORE EXAMPLES HARRY WILL YOUR NATION NOT HAVE ANYOF THE MODERN TECH. OF THE 21ST CENTRY?SO IF YOU CAN SAY YOU GOT TIS FROM THOSE YOU HAVE MODELED YOUR SELF AFTER THEN HARRY, I SHALL CHANGE MY MIND ABOUT YOU. "K?"...LOL!!!(SMILE)

OH WELL WHAT CAN ONE SAY...

HARRY IS NOW DENYING HIS YEARS ON BIA SAYING HE WAS INSPIRED BY HIS GOD WITH NO MOUTH...AND ROBERT IS NOW SAYING HIS ALLAH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY MAN THAT HAS DIED AS A MESSANGER...

LIVE AN DLEARN AS THE RELIGIOUS RULES AND REGULATIONS CHANGE WITH EVERY AND, COMMENTS...WHEN MAN COMES ON THE SCENE AND WRITE THE BOOKS OF RULES AND REGULATIONS. (SMILE)...

AND, YES ROBERT IS SAYING WHAT, WHAT THE OTHER CONSERVATIVES SAY...BHO MUST BE RESPECTED BECAUSE ROBERT WOULD NEVER SHOW RESPECT AND SUCH PUBLIC LOVE FOR A CHRISTIAN AND ESPECIALLY NOT EVEN A MUSLIM NOW OF HIS DIRECT FAITH...AND, AS FO RME, I BELIEF PUBLIC DECTATIONS MAKES HIS LIFE ALWAYS IN DANGER...MOT ONLY FORM CHRISTINAS THE BELIEVE HE IS A MUSLIM BUT MUSLIMS THAT BELIEVE HE IS THE WRONG KIND OF MUSLIM... (NUP/SMILE)

H-E-L-P!!!!!!!!!!!!!..."i" CONFESS, THE MORE YOU GUYS TALK THE WAY YOU DO ABOUT THE NOI AS AN OUT SIDER I AM BEGINNING TO WONDER IF THERE IS STILL A NOI??????

OR IS IT A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT NOIS FIGHTING FOR THE RIGHT TO BE THE ONLY ONE TO BE ABLE TO GO UNDER THE NAME OF THE NATION OF ISLAM....

AND, I ASK, BECAUSE I AM SEEING MORE AND MORE PEOPLE COMING ON THESE SITES SAYING THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES WORTHY TO BE THE LEADER OF THE NOI AND THEY HAVE DIFFERENT NAMES OF THEIR ORGANIZATION WHEN THEY COME....

BECAUSE NO ONE SEEM TO AGREE WITH ANYONE AT ALL....I FEEL I MUST ASK IS THERE EVEN A NOI ANY MORE????!!!!!! OR JUST A FORM OF HATFIELDS AND MCOY FEUDS GOING ON IN THIS NEW CENTURY!!!???(nup)

@DOC, "I" JUST DROPED IN AND AS EACH TIME I DROP IN I TEND TO SEE SOME OF MY NDB IN WHAT A.B. SAYS SINCE IT IS LIKE HE IS TALKING ABOUT HUMAN BEHAVIORS...I SAY THIS AND GET MY BLACK BUDDHIST AZZ OUT OFHERE, AS FAST AS I CAN.LOL!!! (SMILE)..NO I DON'T TAKE SIDES AS I ONLY SEE THINGS ALWAYS BALANCE OUT TO 'CAUSE' AND' EFFECT' AS IT SHOULD DO...

the ebonic, reincarnated one LEAVES a legacy of Evil and Decadence on this Decadent Fraud of a blaggette.

May Allaah Reward with paradise the Doers of Good

Sûrat AlAn’âm
(The Cattle, The Big Docile Ones) VI
In the Name of Allâah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful
1. All praises and thanks be to Allâah, Who created the heavens and the earth, and originated the darkness and the light.
Yet those who disbelieve hold others as equal with Raabbee.

2. He it is Who has created you from clay/water, and then has decreed a stated term for you to live and die.
111. Even if We had sent down to Mankind:
AlMalaaeeka(angels), and the dead had spoken to them, and had gathered together all things before their eyes, they would not have believed,
unless Allâah willed, but most of them behave ignorantly.

113. This will reveal that the hearts of those who disbelieve in the Hereafter may/will incline to deceit, and that they may/will be pleased with their shame, and that they may commit all kinds of sins, crimes, untruths and evil things.

116. If you obey Most of those on the earth, they will mislead you far away from Allâah’s Path.
They follow conjectures only, and they do nothing but lie.

Irma is a doer of good, thanks for making sure she lives on Robert.

You selfProfessed 'whiteMan' steve mentioned I did not respect the "dead" writer I conversed with as sweetIrma.

Yet you and that writer ALLOWED this MONSTER of a LYING post to Continue at BIA.

I, robertPowell, KNEW, Loved and was a member of the Family of the Honorable W.D. Muhammad!

the sweetIrma writer I did not know was REAL!

----- a writer that in 2014 DID NOT have spellcheck on COMPUTER? --- NO one can Believe that!
----- a writer that in 2014 was Married to a Muslim and did not have AlQur'aan--- NO one can Believe that!
----- a writer that was a Buddhist that you claim was not cremated --- NO one can Believe that!

and Finally

----- you selfProfessed 'whiteMan' steve who was once a writer named Adam Fate and who I have learned in your writings; is a LIAR, defender of LIES and a Daily Marijuana USER

take that nonsense back to the CARTOON characters -- that you represent.....

NOTICE HOW ROBERT POWELL IS CRYING WOLF...ROBERT'S BEEN CALLING MINISTER FARRAKHAN A LIAR FOR YEARS AND SUDDENLY WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT WALLACE D. MUHAMMAD'S HYPOCRISY HE'S THROWING A HISSY FIT LIKE A LITTLE GIRL LOL.

WALLACE CLAIMS HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT MONEY, BUT HE TAKES MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OUT OF THE BANK ON THE DAY OF ELIJAH MUHAMMAD'S FUNERAL; STEALS COMMUNITY ASSETS FROM HIS SIBLINGS, AND HIS FATHER'S FOLLOWERS. WHEN ELIJAH MUHAMMAD DIED IN 1975, WALLACE TRANSFERRED THREE MILLION DOLLARS FROM ELIJAH MUHAMMAD'S PERSONAL ACCOUNT (EVERY LAST PENNY), AND TRANSFERRED THE MONEY INTO A NEW ACCOUNT UNDER THE NATION OF ISLAM. SINCE WALLACE WAS THE SIGNATORY OF THAT NEW ACCOUNT, THE GREEDY MOTHAFUKA STOLE THE MONEY! A SIGNATORY IS THE ONLY PERSON THAT HAS ACCESS TO AN ACCOUNT!

DID ELIJAH MUHAMMAD HAVE MINOR CHILDREN (CHILDREN UNDER 18 YEARS OF AGE) WHEN HE DIED? IF HE DID, THE THREE MILLION DOLLARS WAS SUPPOSED TO GO TO ELIJAH MUHAMMAD'S MINOR CHILDREN, WHO WERE THE BENEFICIARIES. CAN YOU TELL ME WITH A STRAIGHT FACE THAT WALLACE WAS REALLY FOR ISLAM? THAT'S WHAT HE LIED AND TOLD THE BANK, BUT BY THE TIME THE ESTATE FILED ACTION IN COURT (MARCH, 1984) WALLACE'S ISLAM WAS DEAD, AND WALLACE SQUANDERED EVERY PENNY. IF YOU WANNA KEEP IT REAL, SINCE THE NATION OF ISLAM WAS UNDER FARRAKHAN'S LEADERSHIP IN 1984, AND WALLACE INTENTIONALLY DESTROYED THE NATION, THE JUDGE SHOULD HAVE ORDERED WALLACE TO FORK THE MONEY OVER TO THE NATION, SINCE THAT WAS THE COURTS REASON FOR ALLOWING WALLACE TO KEEP THE MONEY.

NOW, WAS WALLACE REALLY FOR ISLAM? HE SOLD THE NATION OF ISLAM'S NATIONAL HEADQUARTERS TO A CATHOLIC CHURCH, ELIMINATED THE MUHAMMAD SPEAKS NEWSPAPER, AND SOLD THE SALAAM RESTURAUNT. WALLACE TORE THE NATION DOWN IN THREE YEARS AND SOLD ALL OF THE NATION'S ASSETS. THAT'S A LOW DOWN ROTTEN NICCA! ELIJAH MUHAMMAD HAD ASSETS VALUED AT 80 MILLION DOLLARS!!!!!! WALLACE SOLD ALL THE ASSETS, KEPT EVERY PENNY, AND FOUGHT ELIJAH MUHAMMAD'S MINOR CHILDREN LIKE A DOG FOR 3 MILLION DOLLARS! THAT AINT NOTHING IN COMPARISON TO THE 80 MILLION DOLLARS THAT THE NIGGGER KEPT! THAT NEGRO STOLE THAT THREE MILLION DOLLARS, THEN LEGALLY CHANGED THE NOI'S NAME, LOCATION, AND STATUS, RAN ALL HIS FATHER'S FOLLOWERS OFF, PIZZED THE MONEY DOWN THE TOILET.

ALSO, WALLACE HAD LUXURY CARS. HE USED TO DRIVE AN OLD BEAT UP SPRINT (CAR) TO FAKE AS IF HE WERE POOR. I WOULD TRAVEL TO WASHINGTON, D.C. AND SEE WALLACE ALL THE TIME IN WASHINGTON D.C. BECAUSE HE HAD A MOSQUE THERE. WALLACE STOLE THE MONEY MAN! HE DIDN'T SPEND A DIME OF THAT MONEY ON THE NATION. HE SPENT ALL THAT MONEY ON HIMSELF. BY 1980 WALLACE WAS DEAD BROKE!

THE ONLY REASON WHY THE INHERITORS OF ELIJAH MUHAMMAD'S ESTATE LOST THAT COURT CASE, OR THE DECISION WAS REVERSED AND REMANDED TO A LOWER COURT, IS BECAUSE THEY FILED THE WRONG CHARGE! THEY TRIED TO SUE THE BANK FOR CRIMINAL CONVERSION. ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS QUIETLY SUE WALLACE IN A CIVIL COURT, AND LEFT THE BANK OUT OF IT....THAT MONEY RIGHTFULLY BELONGED TO THE ESTATE, NOT SOME GREEDY MOTHAFUKA WHO CLAIMED HE WAS FOR A NATION THAT HE WORKED HARD TO DESTROY HIS ENTIRE LIFE!

Thanks for the info Truth.

First and FOREMOST the COWARDLY ceasePool Author Abdul-Malik Muhammad of this Falsehood of a Dead man NEVER has returned or comment since its inception

and then the last two commentators in the sewer DID NOT KNOW Imam W.D. Muhammad - May Allaah Reward the doers of Good-or any of his Family------but the stenchWriters write:

"Thanks for the info Truth."

Friday, August 15th 2014 at 4:04PM
Steve Williams

".......THROWING A HISSY FIT LIKE A LITTLE GIRL LOL..........SOME GREEDY MOTHAFUKA.........THE NIGGGER........"

Wednesday, August 13th 2014 at 10:42AM
Truth B. Told

selfProfessed 'whiteMan' PotHead steve you are aware YOU just agreed with bsBtold field of Africans with nametags in the wrong place!

and bsBtold

---- a selfProfessed legal Defender of "whiteSupremacist" slaverAmericana 1492-1864 agrees with YOU

WHAT A BATCH of Stereotypical negro WASTERS of time and cartoons youAll are

I taught AbdulAleem Farakhan --- Islam 101

I studied AlQur'aan and the Sunnah of Mohamed(saw) and I KNEW VERY well Imam W.D. Muhammad -- May Allaah reward the doers of good.......

I saw farakhanMadoof FLUNK Islam 101 and STEAL Property Falsely from the Family of Elijah Muhammad

I saw farakhanMadoof realize that a 1974 deceased Elijah Muhammad - may Allaah Reward our intentions ----DID not need a lightSKINNED loudmouth to woooooo the dark ladies and take their coins in 1977.....

SHATTER you raciallyIgnorant writers of Misconception

EVEN WHITE MUSLIMS WERE DISGUSTED WITH WALLACE D. MUHAMMAD:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raeT9OFtuW...

THERE IS no SUCH thing as a field of guys with name tags that WRITE like decadent Evil Fantasy and LIES.......

THERE IS no SUCH thing as 'whiteMuslims' ---- Just a bunch of n*ggas with badges that Writer like Morons.....

EVEN WHITE MUSLIMS WERE DISGUSTED WITH WALLACE D. MUHAMMAD:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raeT9OFtuW...
Wednesday, August 20th 2014 at 11:57AM
Truth B. Told

whats on the badges and what field do you DISGUST in............

LISTEN IBLISS AKA ROBERT POWELL, I CALL YOU IBLISS BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE SAME MENTALITY AS IBLISS (SATAN) HAS IN THE HOLY QURAN.

LISTEN IBLISS, I'M TOO UNHOLY FOR YOUR HYPOCRITAL CHICKEN SCRATCH WRITING AZZZ, BECAUSE I CUSS A FEW TIMES AND CALLED YOUR LEADER WALLACE A GREEDY MOTHA****A WHO STOLE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM THE NATION OF ISLAM. BUT YOU CALL MINISTER FARRAKHAN A n*gga, AND YOU CALL ME AND THE BROTHERS IN MY PROFILE PHOTO A BUNCH OF n*ggaS. HOW IS YOUR NAME CALLING BETTER THAN MINE? HOW IS IT THAT YOU CAN CALL PEOPLE ALL KINDS OF DEROGATORY NAMES, CUSS PEOPLE OUT, AND BE HOLY, BUT WHEN I CUSS, I GOT A PROBLEM?

LISTEN IBLISS, I'M TOO UNHOLY FOR YOU, YET WALLACE MUHAMMAD IS, AND THIS n*gga STOLE A MILLION DOLLARS FROM THE NOI. I'M NOT HOLY ENOUGH FOR YOU, BUT WALLACE MUHAMMAD IS, AND HE HAD CHILDREN BY 5 OR 6 DIFFERENT WOMEN. THIS IS THE SAME PERSON WHO KICKED OTHER PEOPLE OUT OF THE NATION FOR FORNICATING, AND HE DID THE SAME THING. THIS IS THE SAME MAN WHO CALLED W.D. FARD MUHAMMAD (NOI FOUNDER) A ***OT IN HIS LECTURES. HE'S HOLY ENOUGH FOR YOU, BUT I'M NOT?

LISTEN IBLISS, I HAVE NOT FORNICATED, I HAVE NOT PRODUCED CHILDREN FROM DIFFERENT WOMEN. ALL YOU HAVE IS INFORMATION ON ME THAT IS NOT TRUE. THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH YOU. YOU SIT UP AND PLAY HOLY FROM CAN'T SEE IN THE MORNING TO CAN'T SEE AT NIGHT, BUT YOU BEHAVE WORSE THAN THE AVERAGE POT SMOKING, LIQUOR DRINKING, SAGGING PANTS WEARING THUG IN THE STREETS. YOU SIT UP AND PLAY HOLY, THAT'S WHY NOBODY ON THIS SITE (EXCEPT FOR FAKE JAKE AND JEN FAD) CAN'T TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY, BECAUSE YOU AINT REAL.

LISTEN IBLISS, YOU REMIND ME OF A DUMB SUNNI MUSLIM I ENCOUNTERED IN DALLAS. YOU HATE ME BECUASE YOU HATE THE TRUTH. YOU HATE ME BECAUSE I PULLED THE COVER OFF YOUR RELIGIOUS IDOL, AND EXPOSED YOUR FALSE BELIEF SYSTEM. YOU DONT' HAVE THE SPIRIT OF REDEMPTION, YOU'RE JUST A DUMB MOTHA****A WHO THINKS HIS **** DON'T STINK, AND TOO DUMB TO NOTICE ALL THE FLIES BUZZING AROUND YOUR AZZ!!!!!

hey bunch of rottenWriting, filthy n*gga TRASH in a field with name tags---and Lies about a deceased Muslim Believer of AlQur'aan, and the Sunnah of Mohamed(saw --- YOU NEVER KNEW him --- May Allaah Reward the Doers of Good!

No Human Being writes as Vile, Decadent and demonic as you, are youAll in a prison?

what kind of IDIOT writes at BIA, an African American FAMILY site this MORONIC writtenTRASH?:

"........CALL YOU IBLISS BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE SAME MENTALITY AS IBLISS (SATAN).......A GREEDY MOTHA****A WHO STOLE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM THE NATION OF ISLAM......LISTEN IBLISS, I HAVE NOT FORNICATED, I HAVE NOT PRODUCED CHILDREN FROM DIFFERENT WOMEN. ALL YOU HAVE IS INFORMATION ON ME THAT IS NOT TRUE......BECAUSE I PULLED THE COVER OFF YOUR RELIGIOUS IDOL......JUST A DUMB MOTHA****A WHO THINKS HIS **** DON'T STINK, AND TOO DUMB TO NOTICE ALL THE FLIES BUZZING AROUND YOUR AZZ!!!!!"......."

Friday, August 22nd 2014 at 8:48PM
Truth B. Told

1. STOP the FILTHY language you prisonROT! -- this is a Family site ------ no intelligent person writes like you

***********Look at your BIA membership agreement

2. noi --- BILLIONS???????...............you are I G N O R A N T

3. you would have to be Delusional to know the mentality of Ibleez -- The Deceiver --- The Falsehood

4. I have NO information on YOU n*ggas in a field, I cannot read any name tag----6 of youAll imbeciles

5. I have NO idols, I am a Believer of the Creator of Adaam(as), AlQur'aan and the Sunnah of Mohamed(saw)

6. is Abdul-Malik Muhammad--the COWARD owner of this blaggette, ONE of youAll in the field?

7. you DO understand that you do not see me, or hear me -- but youALL write at a Family Site

Time to pray: -------------------

Sûrat AlAhzâb
(The Confederates, Those joined for purpose) XXXIII

In the Name of Allâah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful

1. Mohamed. Keep your duty to Allâah, and obey not the nonbelievers and the hypocrites, Allâah is Ever All-Knower, All-Wise.

2. Follow that which is revealed to you from Raabaana.

Allâah is Well-Acquainted and Aware with what you do.

3. Put your trust in Allâah, and Sufficient is Allâah as a Wakîl (Trustee, or Disposer of Living).

35. The Muslims, who submit to Allâah in AlIslâam; men and women, the believers men and women who believe in Monotheism, the men and the women who are obedient to Allâah, the men and women who are truthful in their speech and deeds, the men and the women who are patient in performing all the duties which Allâah has ordered and in abstaining from all that Allâah has forbidden,

the men and the women who are humble before Rabaanah - Allâah, the men and the women who give Sadaqât( Zakât, and alms), the men and the women who observe Saummi Ramadâan, and the optional Nawâfil (fasting), the men and the women who guard their chastity from illegal s*xual acts and the men and the women who remember Allâah much with their hearts and tongues;

Allâah has prepared for them forgiveness and a great reward with Paradise.

NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR YOUR PRAYERS, YOU CAN DO ALL THE PRAYING AND WUDOO YOU WANT, AS LONG AS YOUR HEART AND MIND IS STILL DIRTY, YOUR PRAYERS DON'T MEAN ****. YOU'RE STILL DIRTY THAN A MOFO. SO IF I WERE YOU I'D STOP RUNNING UP MY WATER BILL.

THIS n*gga ROBERT POWELL CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH THAT I AM REVEALING, SO ALL HE CAN DO IS TEAR UP THE BLOG WITH HIS CHICKEN SCRATCH. YOU STILL HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO PROVE ME WRONG. YOU JUST WHINE AND COMPLAIN ABOUT WHAT I'VE SAID, BUT CAN NOT PRODUCE ANY FACTS TO REFUTE MY CLAIM.

YOU CRITICIZE MY WRITINGS BECAUSE THEY HAVE PROFANITY IN THEM, YET YOU WRITE LIKE SOMEONE JUST LEARNING HOW TO READ AND WRITE PROPER ENGLISH. AND YOU CALL YOURSELF AN ENGLISH TEACHER? n*gga PLEASE!

I'M WILLING TO BET YOU WAS THAT STUPID MOFUGGA IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WHO SAT IN THE BACK OF THE CLASSROOM DISTURBING OTHER CHILDREN WHO REALLY WANTED TO LEARN TO READ AND WRITE ENGLISH, AND WHO GOT SENT TO THE PRINCIPAL'S OFFICE FOR DISRUPTING THE CLASS. TELL ME I'M LYING! YOUR DUMB ASS COULDN'T MEET THE GRADE LEVEL EXPECTATIONS OF THE ENGLISH CLASS, SO YOU DROPPED OUT OF SCHOOL, UNPREPARED, NOW YOU'RE A BURDEN ON SOCIETY. YOUR IGNORANCE, STINKS IN THE NOSTRILS OF HUMANITY!

"........AS LONG AS YOUR HEART AND MIND IS STILL DIRTY, YOUR PRAYERS DON'T MEAN ****. YOU'RE STILL DIRTY THAN A MOFO.........I'M WILLING TO BET YOU WAS THAT STUPID MOFUGGA IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WHO SAT............"

Wednesday, August 27th 2014 at 10:43AM
Truth B. Told

SHUT UP------YOU FILTH!

you are not even a field of DUNCES with Badges!------YOU ARE an Juvenile girl!

get OFF this ---- REREAD your BIA, Membership Agreement --- this is an African American Family Site

Write, LIKE an ADULT, responsible for Family

You're the one who needs to shut the **** up! You know full and damn well, my assessment of you in particular, is on point and accurate as hell. You sound stupid, and for the record, your disingenuous, defensive, Islamically-incorrect concepts deem you THE Chief ***ot of BIA.

You're childish, impish, devilish and too proud and too arrogant to ever admit when you're off-base. It's sad that you don't know (or want to admit) just how far out of your league you are, not just with me, but with other site members also. A law school professor would never consider you a great asset in the classroom lol.

You call me a juvenile girl, yet you show-boat and never present your cases with any clarity, respect, or accuracy as possible. Well, what does that say about YOU? SISTER ROBERT, drag-queen? I do not consider you to be an adult, at least worthy of being respected as such. Here's why:

1) you evade issues. You never directly deal with the points I bring, instead, resorting to insults, which brings me to:

2) you are the consumate name-caller. When you're "owned", which is often, you rant and rave, many times in the most childish of manners. As such,

3) your conduct is unfit of one, claiming to be a Muslim, much less a Sunni. NO Sunni Muslim writes the way you do.

4) You aren't that bright. You cannot comprehend simple concepts, and your ability to verbally defend yourself, is even more dismal. Rachael Jeantel, DEFINITELY not a "rocket scientist", is smarter than you are.

5) And then, when all else fails (Which happens everytime), you run that tired, "paganChristian" stupidity.

The worse thing you could do, is align yourself with the hemophrodite hypocrite Fake Jake and Jen Fad. While the latter isn't as bad, I know she made it a point to insult me, more than once. I will defend myself with logic, and I will put you three in your places, when y'all come across like gangstas.

Poor, lost people, you ALL are.

bsBtold
for the 1,579,111th TIME you FILTHY nonBIA Family Writer of TRASH-field of n*ggas with badges--

STOP breaking the BIA membership agreement with these Vile and Decadent writings:

".....You're the one who needs to shut the fu@k up! ..you THE Chief Fag@ot of BIA.... You're childish.....SISTER ROBERT, drag-queen?....claiming to be a Muslim..... align yourself with the hemophrodite hypocrite Fake Jake and Jen Fad......Poor, lost people, you ALL are......"

Friday, August 29th 2014 at 10:43AM
Truth B. Told

FIRST --- you do not know me or I youAll BUT through your writing!

you post Vile, UNTRUTH about a deceased man you NEVER knew!
------ NOT I, I ask Allaah to reward the does of GOOD and his servant Imam Muhammed

SECOND --- your Writing is that of a frightened child and an EVIL COWARD

THIRD --- your writings and observation are clouded by your Filthy Satanic thinking
my picture shows Brother Muhammed, Muhammed Ali, Sheikh BinBaz, HRH Khalid Abdulaziz
and me completing the required Muslim Believers visit to Kaaba.....

STOP your filthy, Untrue writings at BIA, and follow membership rules ---

1972, those were the days. You look good Robert.