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I looked at a number of polls and some have the NRA at 54% or so. But they all show Hollywood as lower.

If one made the observation that Kevin Bacon has been in everything, that wouldn’t be too far off. In fact, he’s even made appearances in the pro-gun control camp – who knew? Bacon was yet another signer of HCI’s “Open Letter,” and is listed on the NRA Institute for Legislative Action’s list of organizations and individuals who have contributed to anti-gun organizations.

Read more: http://www.gunsandammo.com/2012/02/24/8-su...

I was looking into that today but more to try and find out about African American membership since Harry had told me African Americans aren't interested in guns. I was a member of the NRA for many years (not currently but that is subject to change). It's very much an organization of individual gun owners, as opposed to manufacturers. But indications are there are relatively few African American members. I'm not done looking though. One thing to remember, there's a disconnect between rural America and urban America when it comes to gun ownership. In the past I was a hunter and that's a big part of the membership. I also did a lot of target shooting, another big segment of the membership. But I found something from Bill Clinton on gun control which I'll post next.

If the President wants to pass a new gun control measure it can't be what Feinstein's bill proposes. It's got to be focused.

Irma, you've probably seen this but if not...

http://blackinamerica.com/cgi-bin/blog.cgi...

The picture there is the gun that my wife used to prevent my two young sons being abducted. This is the flip side of the issue.

Let me go get something related to Dr. King.

Adam Winkler
Professor of Law, UCLA
Posted: January 18, 2011 08:25 AM

MLK and His Guns

One issue on everyone's mind this Martin Luther King Jr. day was gun control. King's calls for resolving our differences through peaceful nonviolence are especially poignant after Jared Loughner gunned down six people and wounded several others in Tucson. Amid the clamor for new gun laws, its appropriate to remember King's complicated history with guns.

Most people think King would be the last person to own a gun. Yet in the mid-1950s, as the civil rights movement heated up, King kept firearms for self-protection. In fact, he even applied for a permit to carry a concealed weapon.

A recipient of constant death threats, King had armed supporters take turns guarding his home and family. He had good reason to fear that the Klan in Alabama was targeting him for assassination.

William Worthy, a journalist who covered the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, reported that once, during a visit to King's parsonage, he went to sit down on an armchair in the living room and, to his surprise, almost sat on a loaded gun. Glenn Smiley, an adviser to King, described King's home as "an arsenal."

As I found researching my new book, Gunfight, in 1956, after King's house was bombed, King applied for a concealed carry permit in Alabama. The local police had discretion to determine who was a suitable person to carry firearms. King, a clergyman whose life was threatened daily, surely met the requirements of the law, but he was rejected nevertheless. At the time, the police used any wiggle room in the law to discriminate against African Americans.

Ironically, the concealed carry permit law in Alabama was promoted by the National Rifle Association thirty years earlier. Today, the gun rights hardliners fight to eliminate permits for concealed carry, as Arizona has done.

Eventually, King gave up any hope of armed self-defense and embraced nonviolence more completely. Others in the civil rights movement, however, embraced the gun.

One of the most indelible images of the 1960s is a photograph from Life magazine of Malcolm X looking out a window with a long M-1 carbine in his hands, the rifle pointed up to the sky. For blacks unhappy with the progress achieved by King's marches, the gun became a symbol of the "by any means necessary" philosophy.

The Black Panthers took Malcolm X's approach to the extreme, openly carrying guns as they patrolled for police abuses on the streets of Oakland. They even made guns part of their official uniform, along with the black beret and leather jacket. Every member learned about Marxism and firearms safety.

California passed a law to disarm the Panthers and then Congress, after King was assassinated by James Early Ray, passed the Gun Control Act of 1968 -- the first major federal gun control since the 1930s. These laws fueled the rise of the modern gun rights movement, which self-consciously borrowed tactics from the civil rights movement.

One lesson the gun advocates took was from the early King and his more aggressive followers: If the police can't (or won't) to protect you, a gun may be your last line of defense. Inspired by that idea, the gun lobby has grown so strong that even after the Tucson mass murder there is almost no likelihood of new gun laws being passed.

Whether a broader acceptance of the King's later pacifism would have made us safer than choosing guns, we will never know.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/adam-winkler...

I have no idea why a professor of law would write "James Early Ray" when it's been judged in a court of law that it was a conspiracy and involved our government.

Of course that was many, many years after the "official story".

Just like WTC 7.

Love you Irma.

STEVE, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ALLOF CA. BUT AROUND HERE IS THE VERY LAST PLACE TO USE A GUN TO DEFEND SELF OR PROPERTY...LIKE THEMAN WHO CHOT SOMEONE ON HIS PROPERTY STEALING HIS CAR...TAHT IS A NO, NO...THEN YO RUN THE CHANCE OF BEING SUED FOR DEFENDING YOUR HOMW AND PROPERTY...IT DON'T MAKE SENSE...

BUT WHAT GETS TO ME IS OW EASILY IT IS TO REFUSE TO EITHER HEAR WHAT OUR PRESIDNET IS SAYING OR JUST HEARING WHAT HE SAYS SECOND AND THIRD HAND...HE SAYS HIM OWN SELF IS HE WANTS THESE WEAPONS USED IN WAR OUTOF THEHANDS OF CIVILIANS...THEVICE-PRESIDENT IS ONLY SAYING SHOW ME THE ANIMAL YOU WILL EAT AFTER SHOOTING ONE WITH ONE OF HESE WEAPONS...JUST SIMPLE THINGS THAT MUST BE MADE COMPLICATED ONLY IF WE CONTINUE TO REFUSE TO USE EVERY DAY COMMMON SENSE...EACH STATE HAS ITS OWN LAWS... EXAMPLE,

I WAS JUST READING A SCHOOL IN ONE OF THESE SMELL TOWNS IN NORTHERN CA. JUST PPAID OUR $450,OOO FOR A TEACHER KICKING A STUDENT IN THE HEAD...CAN YOU SAY A TEACHER SHOOTING ANDGOD FOR BID KILLING ONE OR MOE STUDENTS...AAIN JUST PLAIN OLD IT IS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY AND POWER LOOSING BATTLES OVER HUMAN BEHAVIORS...THAT IS WHAT GETS TO ME...SEE IF YOU CAN FIND THIS ARTICLE IN MY PAPER ABOUT COLUSA, THAT IS WHERE ONE OF THE CASINOS CITY..."COLUSA GUN SHOW WILL GO ON",BY TODD R.HANSEN IN CLOUSA COUNTY SUN-HERALD...AT LEAST IS IS DIFFERENT. LOL (SMILE)

@STEVE,I AM SURPRISED THIS POLL IS SO LOW.(SMILE)

STEVE, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ALLOF CA. BUT AROUND HERE IS THE VERY LAST PLACE TO USE A GUN TO DEFEND SELF OR PROPERTY...LIKE THEMAN WHO CHOT SOMEONE ON HIS PROPERTY STEALING HIS CAR...TAHT IS A NO, NO...THEN YO RUN THE CHANCE OF BEING SUED FOR DEFENDING YOUR HOMW AND PROPERTY...IT DON'T MAKE SENSE...

BUT WHAT GETS TO ME IS OW EASILY IT IS TO REFUSE TO EITHER HEAR WHAT OUR PRESIDNET IS SAYING OR JUST HEARING WHAT HE SAYS SECOND AND THIRD HAND...HE SAYS HIM OWN SELF IS HE WANTS THESE WEAPONS USED IN WAR OUTOF THEHANDS OF CIVILIANS...THEVICE-PRESIDENT IS ONLY SAYING SHOW ME THE ANIMAL YOU WILL EAT AFTER SHOOTING ONE WITH ONE OF HESE WEAPONS...JUST SIMPLE THINGS THAT MUST BE MADE COMPLICATED ONLY IF WE CONTINUE TO REFUSE TO USE EVERY DAY COMMMON SENSE...EACH STATE HAS ITS OWN LAWS... EXAMPLE,

I WAS JUST READING A SCHOOL IN ONE OF THESE SMELL TOWNS IN NORTHERN CA. JUST PPAID OUR $450,OOO FOR A TEACHER KICKING A STUDENT IN THE HEAD...CAN YOU SAY A TEACHER SHOOTING ANDGOD FOR BID KILLING ONE OR MOE STUDENTS...AAIN JUST PLAIN OLD IT IS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY AND POWER LOOSING BATTLES OVER HUMAN BEHAVIORS...THAT IS WHAT GETS TO ME...SEE IF YOU CAN FIND THIS ARTICLE IN MY PAPER ABOUT COLUSA, THAT IS WHERE ONE OF THE CASINOS CITY..."COLUSA GUN SHOW WILL GO ON",BY TODD R.HANSEN IN CLOUSA COUNTY SUN-HERALD...AT LEAST IS IS DIFFERENT. LOL (SMILE)

THE DR. KING FAMILY HAVE ALWAYS BEEEN AT ODDS WITH THE JAMES E RAY STORY. (NUP)

@STEVEASLONGAS WECAN GETPOPLE OFF THE IDEA TAHT DR.KING WS KILLED BY A PERSON IS MUCH LIKE TOSE 20 CHILDREN WER KILLED B A MENTALLY ILLMAN...TH EMORE WE CAN LEAVE OUT OND BULLET KILLEDKING A FULL GROWN MAND AND HAT 6 YEAR OLD WAS KILLED BY 30 BLLETS,,,WE CAN IGNOR HE REAL WORLD WHERE I TI NOT THE GUNS OURPRESIDENTIS AFTER IT IS THESE MILITARY STYLE CLIPS TOKILL AS MANY OF THE ENEMYAS YOU CAN AS QUICK AS YOU CAN AND OT KILL OUROWN INNOCENT 5 AN D6 YEAR OLDE IN SCHOOL OR A 6 MONTH OLD INA MOVIE OR TEENS OR ADULT TEACHDER IS OUR PUBLIC SCHOOL...

SO IF WE AVOID TIS THAT WORKS EVERY TIME THENWHY CHANGE IT!!!JUST CONTINUE OT PRAY TAHT YOUR CHILD COMES HOME FORM SCHOOL HTE NEXT DAY AND AL IS WELL IN AMERICA....TH EPUBLIC FORGETS RIHGT AWAY ANY WAY.AND W EDO HAVE KIN G OTKICH AROUND...YEP ON HESAME PROGRAMON THE FLOOR OF CONGRESS AHT FROP HAD TO AY IF DR. KING WERE HERE HE WOULD BE AGAINST LL OF HTESE BLACK WOMEN...ND STEVE I HONESTLY CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH KING WOULD BE AGAINST ABORTIONS OR SO MAY UNWANTED BY BLACK FATHERS CHILDREN BEIN BORN...BUT IT SONE'N MATTER AS AI TIALWAYS ONE OR THE OTHER WE SET RECONRS AT...

GOOD NIGHT MY EYES ARE CLSOING...LOV YA MY BROTHER RABBIT. (SMILE)

...STEVE IF THIS IS NOTING ABOUT DR.KING NOT DYING FROM A BULLET ANDNOT AGUN TEHN I MA NOTINTERESTED...ASTIS WS LONG BEFORE KILLINGS OF OUR CHILDREN BY A WHITE MAN IS DEEMENED MENTAL IS OF NOT INTEREST TO ME HEREIN TIS DAY ANDA AGE WHER WE REFUSE TO EVEN BELIEVE WE DON'T NEED NO ONEIN SCHOOL WITHA POTENTIAL BULLET GIONGINTO A STUDENT'S BODY. (SMILE)

STEVE, NO LAW TAHT IS NOT GOING TO BEINFORCEDIS NOT WORTH THE PAPERIT IS WRITTEN ON...SOSTEVE IF HTE ATTITUD IS GOING TO BETHE ONEIT ISNOW AHT BLACKS KILL BECAUSE HEY ARE VIOLENTNAAD WHITES KILL OUR WHITE CHILDREN 20 ATA TIME IN 10 MINUTES IS A REASON TO GO OUT ADN BUY MOE GUNS THEN STEVE ITIS NOT TIME FOR OUR NATION TO BE TALKING ABOUT ANY THING AT ALL BECAUSE HE GUNS HAVE BEEN FOUND NOT A THREAT TO OUR CHILDREN AT ALL...WE SHOULD GOON TO SOMETING ELSE...LIKE LETS GO TO WARIN AFRICA TOHELP FRANCE AS WE KNOW WE HAVE OT NATIONAL DEBT PROBLEM BECAUSE ITIS CONGRESS NOT OUR PRESIDEN WO PAYS FOR WARS...TAHT IS MORE OUR MODE OF THINKING RIGHT NOW AND IT MAYBE TIS WAY UNTIL NOV. 7, 2014.(NUP)

SINCE RONALD REAGAN IS THEIR SUPER HERO , I PREFIER HIS SPEECH IN THE WHITE HOUSE PRESS CONFERNECE ROOM ON HIS BEING AN NRA MEMBER BUT THAT BULLET PLACED SO CLOSE TO HIS OWN HEART HAD HIM ON THE FRON LINE FOR BETTER GUN CONTROL LAWS AND TIS WAS GENERATIONS AWAY FORM OUR HICLREN BEING KILLED IN SCHOOL ALMOST ON A REGULAR BASES IN THE PAST 11 YEARS NOW. (NUP)

NOW GET THIS RATIONAL THAT WAS SHOWN ON JON STEWART TONIGHT...A SOUND BITE SHOWING LARRY WARD GIVING HIT SPEECH AS HEAD OF NATIONAL GUN DAY..."DR. KING IF HE WERE HERE WITH US TODAY WOULD BE INFAVOROF OUR GUN DAY...

DUH, I AM SURE HE WOULD BE INFULL SUPPORT OT YOU RGUN DAY, BECAUSE IT WAS NOT THE GUN NOR AN AUTOMATIC RIFLE THATMADE HIS BEING THERE TODAY NOTHUMANLY IMPOSSIABLE...

AS IT WAS NOT THE RIFLE THAT KILLEDHIM ILLEGALLY , IT WAS THE ONE BULLET FROM THE RIFLE THAT MADE THIS DAY SUPPORTING YOUR GUN DAY IMPOSSOALBE..WHAT CAN ONE SAY, WHAT CAN ONE SAY, AFTER THIS AND BLANK CHECKS COMPARED TO ONE PRECIOUS CHILD'SLIFE? (NUP)

STEVEI JUSTLOOKATTHAT BULL FORM TOSE LIKE HARRY LIKE I LOOK AT PEOPLE BELIEVENO WHITES HAVE MEMBERSHIP IN THENAACP...MY ONLY PROBLEM WITH THE NRA IS IT SEEMS THEY ARE RUNNING OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND NOT THE VOTERS. (NUP)

STEVE, I AM STILL LEARNING ABOUT TH ENRA AHTAN I REALLY WANT TOKNOW...BUT THE CAMPAIGNING FOR 2014 HAS BEGUN AND I AM SURE EVERYON EIS GOING TO TRY AND NOT LET THE NRA TURN ON THEM AND AKE THIER SEATS IND.C. AND ATHT IS THE PITY OF I AM SURE WE WILL LEARN MORE THAN WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT WHAT GOESON BEHIND CLOSED DOORS IN D.C....

W DO LIVE IN A WORLD OF THE BIGGER THE PUBLIC SCANDAL (OF THE OTHER PERSON) THE BETTER.(NUP)

...ME,I AM STILL GOING TO WAIT FOR THE BULLETS THAT PUTS THOSE 30 HOLES IN TH AT 6 YEAR OLD POLLS TO COME OUT. (SMILE)

HOLLY WOODS WILLNEVER EVEN COUNT STEVE AS THAY ARE ACCUSED OF BEING FOR OUR PRESIDENT AND AGAINST THE NRA...NO OFFENCE STEVE TO ANY ONE BUT WHAT ETHNIC GROUP RUN THE NRA DO YOU KNOW?...I ONLY AKS BECAUSE IF JEWS OWN IT THEN THISIS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND STEVE THIS JUST OCCURED TO ME. (SMILE)