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EC Unsure Why US Believes Missile Shot Down Malaysian Plane in Ukraine – Source

Yaiqab Saint · Friday, July 18th 2014 at 3:15PM · 528 views
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July 18, 1:18 UTC+4
“This tragedy would have never happened, if combat operation had not been resumed in Ukraine’s southeastern regions,” Putin said.

RIA NOVOSTI NEWS AGENCY

BRUSSELS, July 18 (RIA Novosti) – The European Commission does not know on what basis the United States concluded that a Malaysian Airlines passenger plane, which crashed in eastern Ukraine, was shot down by a missile, a source in the EC told RIA Novosti on Friday.

"One must ask them. The European Commission does not have the data of where the US got the information that was reproduced by mass media," the EC representative said.

A Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777, flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur crashed near the town of Torez in the Donetsk Region on Thursday, causing death of all 283 passengers and 15 crew members on board.

Citing US intelligence agencies, Wall Street Journal reported earlier on Friday that the flight MH17 had been brought down by a missile.

According to the newspaper, intelligence agencies had said witnesses reported a plume of smoke rising over the crash site. They did not comment on whether the missile was launched by the Kiev-backed troops or independence supporters in the region, but said it was a surface-to-air missile.

Kiev blamed independence supporters in the turbulent Donetsk Region for downing the passenger plane with a surface-to-air missile. Militia forces said they had no missile systems that could hit a target flying at an altitude of 10,000 meters.
EC Unsure Why US Believes Missile Shot Down Malaysian Plane in Ukraine – Source

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Yaiqab Saint Friday, July 18th 2014 at 3:47PM

Okay the burden of proof will come from Ukraine's illegal government versus the Russian Federation that has the best military and space technology in the world.

The Duma President (Russian Parliament)and Putin stated that the fingerprint is on the Kiev government shoulders.

If this was a missile the plane had to be flying at an altitude of least 30,000 feet.

The Russian shoulder-fired missiles cannot ascend to that level and every military attaché knows this.

So we can discount that.

Secondarily there is absolutely no proof at all that a missile was fired from the Russian border and no intent because the Malaysian government is one of Moscow's top clients for purchases of MIG/Sukhoi advanced warplanes.

The Malaysian government would never utter any direct involvement of the Russian government or military.

The Russian top military officials have the complete radar signatures of the flight over Ukrainian territory.

This was stated in all major Russian media outlets not on CNN and the other American outlets?????????????

Ukraine does not have the technology to provide proof regarding that because the Russian Glasnoss satellite system is not second to any global navigational system on earth.

The Russian space satellites are so advanced they can record visuals of printed words on a car license plate.

The Americans will have to prove that they have better visual documentation versus Russia, this will be dismissed by every government in the world.

Obama will not go down that road. He will run in the UN and have John McCain make his wild accusations against Putin.

It will all be done in private and Obama will crawl in his usual corner of silence.

I would like to note if the Americans have satellite proof that Russia sold the "BUK" anti-aircraft missile system that Russia manufacturers not Ukraine or the "Yahont" the fastest low flying cruise missile in the world.

No proof of that either!

What Obama fears that the Russian Federation military will release the radar signature tracking the plane destination over the Ukrainian territory just 60 km from the Russian border.

Plus Russia has satellite photos of the "BUK" missile system being deployed by the Ukrainian Army over three weeks ago in Donetsk.

The so-called Donetsk rebels are kicking the Ukrainian butts real good. They have downed two Antonov military transport planes, several SU-25 attack aircraft and now America is selling the Kiev military bull-proof vests as the casualty mount for the Ukrainian army.

Russia has not sold the real advanced stuff and if they did Porky the President of Ukraine would not be able to sleep at night because a low-flying "Yahont" or advanced Russian missile with "plasma Technology" would not be visible on radar traveling over three times the speed of sound for a distance of about 300 miles from Donetsk or Lugansk.

That would be the final end of the Ukrainian "Chocolate King" President, so Putin and the Russian military is showing more compassion than I would.

Porky would have been toast along time ago if I was Putin !


Trust me the European Union will lead the investigation and the Americans will try to apply pressure for blaming Moscow indirectly to no avail.

That is what Obama's press conference was all about today.

Because the Americans just don't have the proof and the embattled US President needs to help fix the sinking economy at home.

powell robert Friday, July 18th 2014 at 4:08PM


One thing that is PROVEN----Malaysia has PROBLEMS with planes and flying

Yaiqab Saint Friday, July 18th 2014 at 4:31PM

@Robert

Yes that is true but the Kiev government are illegal and bandits.

They stand no chance of whipping the so-called Russian rebels as long as Russia helps them.

In the end it will get real bloody for them and they may not have any aircraft left it this continues!

Jeni Fa Friday, July 18th 2014 at 7:06PM

I should think this s hardly time for E C to close its eyes to the handwriting that's been on the U S Intelligence data. My goodness, innocent lives were list including infants.


Yaiqab Saint Friday, July 18th 2014 at 10:04PM

We will see however the only friends the Kiev junta has speaking in favor for them is Obama and his administration.

There are massive demonstrations throughout Western Europe capitals concerning America's backing of the Kiev junta.

I know because I just landed another new architecture client from Minsk, Belarus that has relatives in Western and East European nations, many live in Germany.

We were kicking the history of Slavic nations on a deep level too.

Trust me the European peoples are more savvy about the real deal versus the average American.

The American press has not shown one of those protests either.

powell robert Saturday, July 19th 2014 at 12:19PM


Ukraine as Ukraine has NEVER been anything----in my mind it is Russian.......

Unless USA taxpayers want to make it the slavicIsrael --- lets leave them alone..........



Yaiqab Saint Sunday, July 20th 2014 at 11:02AM

@ Robert

I agree with your statement.

Here is another update and the Nazi Kiev government has to have the shoulder of proof burden concerning the tragic Malaysian airplane crash.


FINAL – Spanish Air Controller @ Kiev Borispol Airport: Ukraine Military Shot Down Boeing #MH17

Eyewitness Accounts July 18, 2014 Comments: 62


FLASH UPDATE: Industry Outlet Confirms Carlos (@spainbuca) as ATC at Borispol in Kiev

(See the Text of Carlos / @spainbuca Tweets Below the Article)

Original: EturboNews (ETN Global Travel Industry News) – July 17, 2014

ETN received information from an air traffic controller in Kiev on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17.

This Kiev air traffic controller is a citizen of Spain and was working in the Ukraine. He was taken off duty as a civil air-traffic controller along with other foreigners immediately after a Malaysia Airlines passenger aircraft was shot down over the Eastern Ukraine killing 295 passengers and crew on board.

The air traffic controller suggested in a private evaluation and basing it on military sources in Kiev, that the Ukrainian military was behind this shoot down. Radar records were immediately confiscated after it became clear a passenger jet was shot down.

Military air traffic controllers in internal communication acknowledged the military was involved, and some military chatter said they did not know where the order to shoot down the plane originated from.

Obviously it happened after a series of errors, since the very same plane was escorted by two Ukrainian fighter jets until 3 minutes before it disappeared from radar.

Radar screen shots also show an unexplained change of course of the Malaysian Boeing. The change of course took the aircraft directly over the Eastern Ukraine conflict region.

Some tweets received suggest this may have been a secret military uprising against the current Ukrainian president under the direction of formerly-jailed Prime Minister Timoshenko.

According to other rumors, the black box for this crashed Malaysian Airlines flight was taken by Donetsk separatists. A spokesperson for the rebel group said this black box would be sent to the Interstate Aviation Committee headquartered in Moscow.

The First Deputy Prime Minister of the self-proclaimed People’s Republic of Donetsk, Andrew Purgin, stated that the flight recorders of the crashed aircraft will be transferred to Moscow for examination.

Sources say the Rebel group leadership hopes this would confirm the Ukrainian military actually shot down this aircraft. This was reported by the news agency Interfax-Ukraine.

ETN statement: The information in this article is independently confirmed and based on the statement of one airline controller and other tweets received.



CHRONOLOGY OF @spainbuca’s TWITTER FEED

10:21 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Autoridades de kiev, intentan hacer que pueda parecer un ataque de los pro-rusos

“Kiev Authorities, trying to make looks like an attack by pro-Russian”

10:24 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Ojo! Que puede ser un derribo B777 Malaysia Airlines en ukraine, 280 pasajeros

“warning! It can be a downing, Malaysia Airlines B777 in ukraine, 280 passengers”

10:25 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Cuidado! Kiev tiene lo que buscaba

“Warning! Kiev have what they wanted”

10:25 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Vuelven a tomar la torre de control en Kiev

“[Miitary] has taken control of ATC in Kiev”

10:27 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El avión B777 de Malaysia Airlines desapareció del radar, no hubo comunicación de ninguna anomalia, confirmado

“The Malaysia Airlines B777 plane disappeared from the radar, there was no communication of any anomaly, confirmed”

10:30 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Avión derribado, derribados, derribado no accidente

“Plane shot down, shot down, shot down, no accident”

10:31 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Kiev, tiene lo que buscaba, lo dije en los primeros tw, kiev es responsable @ActualidadRT

“Kiev have what they wanted, I said in the first tw [Tweets], Kiev is responsible @ ActualidadRT”

10:35 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Un accidente muy normal no es, no están amenazando en la misma torre del aeropuerto de kiev,

“An accident that is not quite normal, they are threatening us in the same tower of Kiev airport”

10:35 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nos van a quitar, nuestros tlf y demás de un momento a otro

“they will take from our phones and others stuff at any moment”

10:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Antes de que me quiten el tlf o me rompan la cabeza, derribado por Kiev

“Before They remove my phone or they break my head, shot down by Kiev”

11:12 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nosotros tenemos la confirmación. Avión derribado, la autoridad de kiev, ya tiene la información, derribado, estamos tranquilos ahora

“We have confirmation. Plane downed, Kiev authorities already have the information, downed, we are calm now”

11:13 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Que hace personal extranjero con autoridades de kiev en la torre? Recopilando toda la información

“What are doing foreigners with kiev authorities in the tower? Gathering all the information”

11:15 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Cuando sea posible sigo escribiendo

“When possible I´ll keep writing”

11:48 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El avión B 777 voló escoltado por 2 cazas de ukraine hasta minutos antes, de desaparecer de los radares,

The B777 plane flew escorted by Ukraine jet fighter until 2 minutes before disappearing from the radar,

11:54 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Sí las autoridades de kiev, quieren decir la verdad, esta recogido 2 cazas volaron muy cerca minutos antes , no lo derribo un caza

“If kiev authorities want to tell the truth, It´s gathered, 2 jet fighters flew very close minutes before, wasn’t downed by a fighter”

12:00 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nada más desaparecer el avión B 777 de Malaysia Airlines la autoridad militar de kiev nos informo del derribo, como lo sabían?

“Malaysia Airlines B777 plane just disappeared and Kiev military authority informed us of the downing, How they knew?”

12:00 – 17 de jul. de 2014 A los 7:00 minutos se notificó el derribo, más tarde se tomó la torre nuestra con personal extranjero q siguen aquí

“7:00 minutes after [plane dissapeared], the downing was notified, later our tower was taken with foreigner staff, they still here ”

12:01 – 17 de jul. de 2014 En los radares esta todo recogido, para los incrédulos, derribado por kiev, aquí lo sabemos y control aéreo militar también

“all this is gathered in radars, to the unbelieving, shot down by kiev, here we know it and military air traffic control also”

13:15 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Aquí los mandos militares manejan y admiten que militares a otras órdenes, pudieron ser, pero no, los pro-rusos

“Here the military commanders manage and support it could be military following other orders , but no, the pro-Russian”

13:29 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El ministro del interior si conocía que, hacían los cazas en la zona, el ministro de defensa no, .

“Interior Minister knew what the fighters were doing in the area, the defense minister didn’t.”

13:31 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Militares confirman que fue ukraine, pero se sigue sin saber de donde vino la orden

“Military confirm It was Ukraine, but still does not know where the order came from”

13:36 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Hace dias lo dije aquí, militares de kiev querían alzarse contra el actual presidente, esto puede ser una forma, a las órdenes de timoshenko

“Days ago I said here, kiev military wanted to rise against the current president, this may be a way, ordered by timoshenko [following timishenko orders]”

13:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Los cazas volaron cerca del 777, hasta 3 minutos antes de desaparecer de los radares, solo 3 minutos

“The fighters flew close to 777, up to 3 minutes before disappearing from the radar, just 3 minutes”

13:43 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Se cierra el espacio aéreo

“Airspace closed”

13:45 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Se cierra el espacio aéreo, por miedo a más derribos

“Airspace is closed, more downings feared”

15:17 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Control militar entrega ahora mismo de forma oficial que el avión fue derribado por misil

“military control now officially [say] the plane was shot down by missile”

15:23 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El informe oficial firmado por las autoridades militares de control de kiev ya lo tiene el gobierno,,,, , derribado

“Government has the official report signed by the control military authorities in Kiev,,,, [plane] shot down”

15:26 – 17 de jul. de 2014 En el informe se indica de donde abría salido el misil, y se especifica que no proviene de las autodefensa en las zonas rebeldes

“The report indicates where the missile had come out [from], and specified is not from the selfdefence in rebel areas”

15:34 – 17 de jul. de 2014Los radares militares si recogieron los datos del misil lanzado al avión, los radares civiles no

“Military radar collected data from missile fired to the plane, civilian radars didn’t”

15:36 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Los altos mandos militares no ordenaron el lanzamiento del misil, ,,alguien se le fue la mano en nombre de ukraine

“military high command did not gave the order to fire the missile, someone screw it ine the name of ukraine”

15:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Para el que no lo sepa, digamos así, hay militares a las órdenes del ministro de defensa y militares a las órdenes del ministro del interior

“For those who do not know, Let’s say, there are military under the orders of the defense minister and military under the orders of Interior Minister”

15:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Los militares a las órdenes del ministro del interior conocían en cada momento lo que sucedió, .

“The military under the orders of Interior Minister knew what happened all the time .”

16:06 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Mandos militares aquí (ATC) torre de control, confirman que el misil es del ejercito de ukraine,

“Military commanders here (ATC) control tower, confirm that the missile is from the ukranian army,”

16:07 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Mandos militares que si lo sabían y otros mandos que no,

“military commanders that knew it and others didn´t ,”

16:08 – 17 de jul. de 2014 290 personas inocentes muertas, . Por una guerra inútil, donde el patriotismo se compra con dinero

“290 dead innocent people. What a useless war, where patriotism is bought with money”

16:09 – 17 de jul. de 2014 La forma de tomar la torre de control minutos después sabiendo todo los detalles, rápido nos hizo pensar que habían sido ellos

“Thw way the control tower was taken minutes after & knowing all the details, made ​​us think that they [made it]”

16:10 – 17 de jul. de 2014 La cara de los militares que llegaron más tarde diciendo pero que habéis echo, no dejo dudas

“The face of the soldiers who came later saying [what you just did], no chance for doubts”

16:12 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Es tal la decadencia que los militares acompañados de extranjeros que llegaron primero nos llegaron a pedir que dijéramos su versión

“Such is the decline that military who came first accompanied by foreigners came to us asking us to tell their version”

16:13 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nuestra respuesta, fue, estos radares no recogen el lanzamiento de misiles, los militares si, ya no quedaban dudas

“Our response was, these radars do not collect the launching of missiles, the military ones does, there were no doubts”




Jeni Fa Monday, July 21st 2014 at 2:12PM

I was listening to a news report on CNN yesterday afternoon stating or claiming that the United States have hit many Ukraine sites through strategic air strikes that have not been reported via Western media; and the people who struck the Maylasian flight thought it was a American drone or something. This is believable in my mind.


Why aren't the media reporting all the news and making it to look like something else .... this is serious!


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