I’d like to enhance Mr. Jamaal Abraham reasoning.

@Harry....You caught the point that was being made.....For sure, using math or science does NOT require knowing the originators of math or the branch of science at issue. No, only HOW to use it. And yes, how to use math is a human brain function. How to use science is also a human brain function. Across America, schools zone in on Asians as the author of much of the branches of science that is practiced by advanced nations. It certainly is a point to take credit, but does nothing for you other than emotional hype.

When architects and civil engineers take on the project to build a bridge, for example...they don't even care who the originators of math were. But in 2 to 4 months, a bridge is erected. When chemist and biologist take on a project to develop a new pesticide...they don't even concern themselves with who were the founding fathers of chemistry or biology may be. Yet in a few months there is a new pesticide on the shelf of Walmart

@ jamal

If IT does not matter the originators {OF MATH & SCIENCE} would you tell us the ranking of Americans in math and science compared to other nations "NOW"please.

And please provide us with a list of the inventors from country origins, the Intel microprocessor inventor was from Eastern Europe, Sikorsky helicopters was founded by a Russian engineer, as well as the TV electrode was from a Russian scientist, the nuclear Manhattan American project was discovered by German jewish scientists as well.

Please illuminate the audiences please?

@ Jamal please allow me to provide this data on whom actually scientifically made discoveries of major inventions.

Air Flight

Alleged Inventor: The Wright Brothers
Actual Inventor: Richard Pearse

The Wright Brothers are generally regarded as the first to make a powered and sustained heavier-than-air human flight, but in fact, nine months prior to their famous takeoff on the 17th of December, 1903 at Kitty Hawk, New Zealander Richard Pearse performed the same feat in timaru, New Zealand (31 March 1903). Although it lacked an aerofoil section wing, Pearse’s flying machine resembled modern aircraft design much more than did the Wright brothers’ machine: monoplane rather than biplane; tractor rather than pusher propeller; stabiliser and elevators at the back rather than the front; and ailerons rather than wing-warping for controlling banking. It bore a remarkable resemblance to modern microlight aircraft.

Automobiles

Alleged Inventor: Henry Ford
Actual Inventor: Karl Benz

Although several other German engineers (including Gottlieb Daimler, Wilhelm Maybach, and Siegfried Marcus) were working on the problem at about the same time, Karl Benz generally is acknowledged as the inventor of the modern automobile. An automobile powered by his own four-stroke cycle gasoline engine was built in Mannheim, Germany by Karl Benz in 1885 and granted a patent in January of the following year under the auspices of his major company, Benz & Cie., which was founded in 1883. It was an integral design, without the adaptation of other existing components and including several new technological elements to create a new concept. This is what made it worthy of a patent. He began to sell his production vehicles in 1888. Ford did not create a self-propelled automobile until 1896 – more than ten years after Benz.


X-Ray Photography


Anna Berthe Roentgen

Alleged Inventor: Thomas Edison
Actual Inventor: Wilhelm Röntgen

While it is true that Edison’s Fluoroscope became the standard in medicine, it was not the first example of x-ray photography. on 22 December 1895, Wilhelm Röntgen (a German physics professor) saw a picture of his wife’s hand on a photographic plate formed due to X-rays. His wife’s hand’s photograph (shown above) was the first ever photograph of a human body part using X-rays. His contribution to the science of X-rays and X-ray photography is so significant that they are also called Röntgen

Recorded Audio

Alleged Inventor: Thomas Edison
Actual Inventor: Édouard-Léon Scott de Martinville

Thomas Alva Edison conceived the principle of recording and reproducing sound between May and July 1877 as a byproduct of his efforts to “play back” recorded telegraph messages and to automate speech sounds for transmission by telephone. He announced his invention of the first phonograph, a device for recording and replaying sound, on November 21, 1877. But – fully 17 years earlier (1860), Frenchman Édouard-Léon Scott de Martinville invented the phonautograph. It could transcribe sound to a visible medium, but had no means to play back the sound after it was recorded. The transcriptions, known as phonautograms, were first successfully played back using computer technology in 2008 and you can hear it above – this is the voice of a woman singing “Au clair de la lune” and it was recorded 149 years ago. At the time, James Buchanan was the US President and France was governed by Emperor Napoleon III.


Lightbulb

Alleged Inventor: Thomas Edison
Actual Inventor: Sir Humphry Davy

In 1802, Humphry Davy had what was then the most powerful electrical battery in the world at the Royal Institution of Great Britain. In that year, he created the first incandescent light by passing the current through a thin strip of platinum, chosen because the metal had an extremely high melting point. It was not bright enough nor did it last long enough to be practical, but it was the precedent behind the efforts of scores of experimenters over the next 75 years until Thomas Edison’s creation of the first commercially practical incandescent lamp in 1879.

@ Saint....First, to clarify, my point is not that it does not matter who the inventor is or who the originator is....rather, after you originate something NOT TO PUT IT ON THE SHELF. In America, there is something known as "patents"
The patent statute provides that the damage award in a patent infringement action must be "adequate to compensate for the infringement, but in no event less than a reasonable royalty for the use made of the invention by the infringer, together with interest and costs as fixed by the court."1 Courts have construed this statutory phrase as requiring an award of lost profits, or other compensatory damages, where the patentee can prove, and elects to prove, such damages. However, where the patentee cannot prove, or elects not to prove, such damages, the statute provides for an award of a reasonable royalty.2 Therefore, even where the patentee has not shown any harm caused by the infringement, the patentee is still entitled to the award of a reasonable royalty.

All of that legal jargon means that inventors or originators of product better not fall asleep on their invention or after a period of time ( 6 years or so) others can take your invention and use it, change it and make money on it. At the same time, if the inventor is prudent and enthusiastic and works with due diligence that can patent their invention and gain a lot of mileage in 6 years before anyone can infringe on their invention. As a scientist, the time from "design to manufacture" is paramount in industry. Why....it is to main as much mileage on patented products. Europeans stole Asian inventions and run with it because the Asians were found sleeping at the wheel. Not only did henry Ford invent and patent the automobile, he did not put his patent on the shelf but continued to make improvements and improvements till the Ford today does not look like the Ford, 60 years ago.

So it does matter for inventors to use their brain power to come up with new ideas and put it out there...However, if you do not "UTILIZE the idea or knowledge or invention"....than SOMEONE ELSE WILL

@ Jamal

I agree however Henry Ford did not invent automobiles which I listed it was Mr. Benz from Germany.

That is fact and most scientists know that because the Industrial Revolution started in Europe not America.

Okay to your point about recent scientific discoveries let's compare the US to other nations dating up until today, Monday, August 4, 2014?????

For sure, the industrial revolution did start in Europe but with America's purchasing power, they bought the best minds, so scientists like Albert Einstein and many others came to America and helped America be the super power it is.

To stay on point to the blog, the Babylonians, Ancient Egyptians and Sumerians had plenty of time to put the Asians of the middle east and Africa light years ahead of Europe and America in science technology. But, they got hung up in religion and selfish grandeur, putting math and science innovation on the back burner. Now after thousands of years, the blue eye culture is vastly ahead of the Asians. Not because of some innate ability. Not because of some inherent biological trait. No, it is because of one simple reason. European culture put emphasize the utilization of math and science and not who discovered it.

@ Jamal

I'm not talking about Sumeria, Egyptians.

I'm talking now and we ain't talking money because your dollar bill is own by the International Banking Cartel primarily based out of Europe.

That is a debtor note payable to the International Cartel.

Heard of Rothschild Family from London, England that financed all the major jewish and non-jewish industrial families in America.

The richest being the Rockefeller clan.

I don't care about the East Asians because they modify technology that has been already established.

My point let's compare the "blue-eye" American Caucasian technological achievements compared to Caucasians throughout the world, namely Europe.

Then let's compare the scientific discoveries of so-called black americans to the 'blue-eyed' American Caucasians here.!

Last time I recalled the so-called white people refer to this country as them not us, right?

Prior to the Caucasian coming to America particularly prior to the "Industrial Revolution" it was the so-called black americans that put them in the beginning stages of a super power!

Let's talk about that?

teach the truth Jamal,,GOOD JOB

@ Johnson

A true criminal always return to the scene of the crime.

I knew you would comment (ha..ha...)

Right after I told Sylvainy I done with him you came running onto the site.

@ Jamal

It's been an hour since you commented last !

It is a tendency for original inhabitants of the earth to be lax about time. Meaning and element of complacency seems to plague a people that have been around a long time. Even though the roots of civilization is around east Asia, that is NOT where the power is today. Lets examine what power really according to the laws of physics.

Power is defined as the rate at which work is done upon an object. Like all rate quantities, power is a time-based quantity. Power is related to how fast a job is done. Two identical jobs or tasks can be done at different rates - one slowly or and one rapidly. The work is the same in each case (since they are identical jobs) but the power is different. The equation for power shows the importance of time

Mathematically it is P = w/t

Now we already established that knowledge is power. The problem is that when it came to Egyptian civilization, it would take a long long time to complete a task. How long did it take for example to building an average pyramid....100 years. That's too long. How long does it take for blue eye civilization to build a c*ndominium complex.....30 days. That is what makes America a power house. The shorter amount of time it takes to do something, the greater is the power.

@ Saint..........the industrial revolution is America was ignited by black scientist and inventors, no doubt but the issue why it only marginalized black civilization was due to the problem of sovereignty. Black folk were in the hands of the American blue eye. We were just up from slavery and HAD NO MONEY. Thus, most of the blacks had to sell their brilliant ideas and patents off to the blue eye who ran away with the dividendss for the invention. So even though Louis H. Latimer actually invented the light bulb, mastering the tungsten filament concept....it is Thomas Edison that gets the credit Latimer had no money. What we as a nation of people can learn from that is that ....when our young black scientists come out of these HBCU's in America with bright ideas, black philanthropists need to invest in them .....like the blue eye civilization does in theirs so as the black civilization can benefit...or ...we need to have land of our own where our inventors can put their ideas to work for our own causes.

Sold their patents, perhaps they never had jurisprudence in the slavery days when many of the inventions were made.

What I fail to understand what does a mathematical calculation has to do with the question I posed to you?

We have some money now!

Therefore let's stay on subject and let's illuminate the audiences of the "American blue-eye Caucasians" compared to their counterpart Caucasians throughout the world, and lastly compare the blue-eye American Caucasians compared to the so-called black americans up until the Industrial revolution!

@ Jamal

Okay let's start with engineering first is that not your field, hmm???

@ YAKCOB ,,WHAT ? ,,,,YOU ON THAT FOOLERY AGAIN ,,YEP

Okay let's start with a few black engineers.

1. Archie Alexander (1888-1958).
He was responsible for the construction of many roads and bridges in the DC area, including the Whitehurst Freeway, the Tidal Basin Bridge, and the extension of the Baltimore-Washington Parkway.

2. William H. Dammond (1873-1956)

Educator, civil enginner and inventor holding several important patents.
First African American graduate University of Pittsburg. PA in June 1893.

Worked as an assistant bridge engineer at the Michigan Central Railroad, where he invented an electric signaling system that earned a patent on December 29, 1903.

Issues a patent for railroad operating safety system in 1906.

Recognized for his work in 1915 issue of the Michigan Manual of Freedman's Progress, a publication of notable African-Americans in Michigan.

You aware of this can you illuminate please???

@ Johnson

This does not concern you unless your Jamal in person RIGHT?????

DAMN ,,,OK FOOLERY ,,,,

yak man Every decision that you make can only be made based on the knowledge that you possess at the time. When you gain more knowledge LET ME KNOW I have destroyed what lil knowledge you thought you had ,,,,in the wind !

It is because mathematics what objectively "proves" a thing. We were taking about power. That is what this blog is about. That is the subject. As a practicing engineer, power just happens to be my expertise. Before the industrial revolution one of the greatest invention was the motor which mobilized humanity. Instead of relying on camels, horses, oxen or foot, a motor could drive them. Then came steam ships and all kinds of vessels. Again that has to do with power for where a trip use to take months, it would take days. A trip that use to take weeks, now would take hours.

An interesting inventor was the Greek, Heron Alexandrinus, or Hero of Alexandria as he was often known, was a Greek born in 10AD in Alexandria, now part of Egypt, and the second largest city after Cairo. Little is known about the life of Heron, however, we are aware that he was born to Greek parents that migrated to Alexandria after the conquest of Alexander the Great. Heron was a mathematician and an engineer considered to be one of the greatest inventors of ancient times - The thing about Heron is that he built the first known steam engine that utilized steam jets mechanically placed about a wheel that he got the concept from the Egyptians. He fashioned the aeolipile. But what is an aeolipile? It is a sphere that is positioned in such a way that it can rotate around its axis. Nozzles that are opposite to each other would expel steam and both of the nozzles would generate a combined thrust resulting in torque, causing the sphere to spin around its axis. The rotation force speeds up the sphere up to the point where the resistance from traction and air brings it to a stable rotation speed. Anyway, my point is that you got this Greek that took inventions from the ancient Egyptians and reassembled them to make this steam engine so he "UTILIZED" the science. He made use of it. It did not just sit there on the shelf doing nothing. It is the beginning of the ships made by the Europeans that would eventually come back to Africa and that their colonizing conquests.

@ jamal

More babbling let's get down to the subject matter which I mentioned previously.

No discussion of Greek, Sumerians, Egyptians, we talking about the sojourn in America and it's relationsip to Europeans?

Comprende usted????

@ Jamal

As a reminder we left off here?
Okay let's start with a few black engineers.

1. Archie Alexander (1888-1958).
He was responsible for the construction of many roads and bridges in the DC area, including the Whitehurst Freeway, the Tidal Basin Bridge, and the extension of the Baltimore-Washington Parkway.

2. William H. Dammond (1873-1956)

Educator, civil enginner and inventor holding several important patents.
First African American graduate University of Pittsburg. PA in June 1893.

Worked as an assistant bridge engineer at the Michigan Central Railroad, where he invented an electric signaling system that earned a patent on December 29, 1903.

Issues a patent for railroad operating safety system in 1906.

Recognized for his work in 1915 issue of the Michigan Manual of Freedman's Progress, a publication of notable African-Americans in Michigan.

You aware of this can you illuminate please??? }

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@ Harry

You bearing witness to this for the RECORD???????

@ Saint.....you happen to mention a role model of mine....William H. Dammond.....Here is a black man that developed the diagrams and design for a cab signaling system for trains. Imagine what happens when the train is backing up or pulling in. A design that originated from the cab that was connected to light assemblies so many feet away to signal the approach of a train. It was a thing for public safety. Though enhanced, it is still used today. William H Dammond died broke like most other black scientist and inventors. The point of his merit and existence does much to inspire future engineers and scientist for the profession but that is the limit of it. The was no thrust in black civilization due to his existence since he had no money and again was just up from slavery. We need more people like Dammond, if we had land of our own.

I failed to understand how he just came up slavery 100 years prior to his birth and of course he came from mixed heritage and grew up in middle class status?

Biography:

The early influences in the life of William Hunter Dammond provided a middle class background. William Hunter Dammond was born (1873) in Pittsburgh's lower Hill District, the fifth of eight children of Edward Dammond and Lucy Dorsey. After the Civil War Edward Dammond, a sailor, migrated from Louisiana and found employment as a waiter in Pittsburgh. When the African American masses were unskilled workers, Edward Dammond's "service occupation" and evidence of mixed ancestry afforded the family a middle-class standing in the African American community. Given the importance of the African American church in the evolution of cultural and intellectual life in African American urban communities, a former house servant, Lucy Dorsey, migrated from Winchester, Virginia, to Pittsburgh and affiliated with Bethel African Methodist Episcopal Church (AME), the oldest church of its denomination west of the Alleghenies. The selection of Bethel AME as a home church probably was due in part to its notable role in the early struggle for Black education. The dynamics of the Dammond family's social and religious life were typical of the African American middle class in late nineteenth-century America. [iv]

The recognition of academic promise within the Dammond family members allowed for unique educational opportunities. During the late nineteenth-century few African Americans in western Pennsylvania

attended school beyond the age of fourteen, but Mamie Dammond, the oldest sister of William Hunter Dammond, was recognized as "a scholar of much attainment." She graduated from normal school and later worked as the "instructress




in the literary branch" of the Avery Trade School in neighboring Allegheny City.


When few African Americans attended preparatory schools, as was common throughout the nation during the late nineteenth-century, the 1889 Annual Register for the Western University of Pennsylvania (University of Pittsburgh) listed "William Hunter Dammond, 71 Arthur Street, Pittsburg [sic]," as being enrolled in the first class of English at Park Institute. (At the time a vibrant African American community existed on Fulton and Congress streets, and on Clark, Colwell, and Arthur streets in the lower Hill District.) The exclusively-white preparatory school
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in Allegheny City offered "a thorough preparation" for entrance to the University: the four-term program included coursework in algebra, English, geography, zoology, physiology, and botany with additional electives in German and drawing. The rigorous training at Park Institute provided the academic grounding for entrance into the University's civil engineering program. [vi]

Civil Engineering

Late nineteenth-century America equated scientific and technological advancement with progress. Great bridges, such as the Roeblings' suspension bridge between Manhattan and Brooklyn (1883), were structural marvels. The demand for urban land and the availability after 1889 of elevators resulted toward the end of the century in the American skyscraper. Civil engineers were at the forefront of this technological revolution, providing innovations in design and construction, but few African Americans were aware of the fields of engineering and technology in 1890. [vii]



In 1889, William Hunter Dammond enrolled in the civil engineering program at the Western University of Pennsylvania. At the same time few African Americans were being admitted into engineering programs due to financial hardship and a lack of academic preparation. The few remaining African American applicants were "discouraged" from entrance for reasons of personal comfort. As a result, the numbers of African Americans enrolled in accredited engineering programs remained small in the late nineteenth-century. As an African American scholar, Dammond probably was a recipient of the Charles Avery Scholarship. [viii]

The scholarship minimized the family's financial burden, but young Dammond faced numerous challenges. The scholar probably experienced discrimination in housing and social ostracism, as was common for African American students at northern institutions in the late nineteenth-century. African American students were excluded from the collegiate engineering societies, groups in which membership traditionally was the "first step toward professional affiliation." [ix]

The civil engineering program was challenging, yet Dammond graduated "with honors" in June 1893. He successfully completed basic engineering courses in algebra, geometry, trigonometry, calculus, and surveying. Additional courses included German, mechanics, astronomy, descriptive geometry, elocution, hydraulics, chemistry, and physics. During the summer of his junior year Dammond visited an engineering structure (e.g. bridge) and prepared a description of the structure, accompanied by a line drawing. Completion of this thesis project was a graduation requirement. Contemporaries recognized Dammond as "the first colored graduate" of the Western University of Pennsylvania. [x]

As an African American civil engineer, William Hunter Dammond was in conspicuous position since few African American engineers existed in the country. The Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), typical of most northern institutions, graduated its first African American in 1892, but it was not until twenty-five years later that MIT graduated an African American with a degree in civil engineering. As late as 1910, engineering was still considered "a relatively new profession" within the African American community. Before 1914 the majority of African Americans were graduates of northern colleges. [xi]

Young, Gifted, and Colored

During the early twentieth-century William Hunter Dammond gained a variety of experiences as he moved in search of employment opportunity. After graduation, twenty-three-year-old Dammond served brief stints as a clerk and sewer contractor in Pittsburgh, but he desired a more satisfying position as a teacher. He moved from Pittsburgh to Waco, Texas


, and located employment as a mathematics professor in 1897. About a dozen faculty members comprised the small teaching staff of the African American college, which was one of sixteen academic institutions affiliated with the African Methodist Episcopal Church (AME). It is worthy noting again that Dammond was reared in the AME tradition in Pittsburgh. The professor then moved from Waco, Texas, to Wilberforce, Ohio, and located a teaching position at Wilberforce University, which was recognized as "the best of the sixteen AME academic institutions" in the early nineteenth-century. Dammond shortly thereafter relocated to Detroit, Michigan
, and located employment as an assistant bridge engineer at the Michigan central Railroad where he invented "an electric cab signal, an improvement over, and destined to supplant, the block signal." [xii]

Another renowned African American inventor, Elijah McCoy, who studied mechanical engineering in Scotland, earlier worked as a fireman for the Michigan central railroad where he invented a drip cup lubricating system in 1872. This lubricating device, which was modified to use in numerous other industries, helped to make this country an industrial leader.

A patent was issued for Dammond's signaling system on December 29, 1903. Dammond's electric cab signaling system eliminated the need for dangerous manually-operated block signals and saved human lives. Dammond taught the signaling system to the mechanic, who constructed the apparatus, along with the chief engineer (later president of the company) and two engineers of other railroad companies in Detroit . This was followed by a patent for a "Safety System for Operating Railroads" in 1906. Dammond's work as an educator, bridge designer, and inventor ranked him "among the well known" in a 1915 publication, The Michigan Manual of Freedmen's Progress, which provided an account of notable African-Americans in Michigan. [xiii]

After 1910, the African American inventor moved to London, England, and located employment as a bridge designer for the Marcum Company. During the six years there William Hunter Dammond further developed the concept of the alternating current track circuit. Under his supervision the "equipment was made and installed on a locomotive and a stretch of track in Nottingham, England." "The equipment was tested more than a thousand times under various weather conditions "for [a period of] thirteen months." "English railroad experts from various locations observed the testing and "strongly commended" the invention. The alternating current tract circuit, which also was known as the Dammond Circuit, was recognized as being an "advance" upon existing signal systems. [xiv]

World War I prolonged Dammond's stay in Europe, but in 1916 Dammond returned to this country. It was upon his return home that he and his wife Mable, a school teacher, moved to Farrell, Pennsylvania, where Dammond located employment as a draftsman at the Farrell Works of the Carnegie Illinois Company (United States Steel Corporation). There he observed that race was not yet an "insuperable barrier" to African American employment in western Pennsylvania. The Dammonds later moved to Marietta, Ohio. [xv]

William Hunter Dammond was recognized as a "mathematic [sic] genius," but he received little recognition for other accomplishments. After a series of moves, he arrived in New York City
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where he became an activist for the Dammond Circuit. At the time several white individuals, who "independently discovered part of the Dammond Circuit, installed part of the alternating track circuit on an inter-urban line running out of Philadelphia," meeting with somewhat satisfactory test results. He responded to criticism about the Philadelphia installation and highlighted the advantages of the Dammond Circuit. He also was "decidedly active in a movement urging that the block system" be modified for prevention of railroad wrecks. His publications included a letter in the Engineering News, a co-authored work, "A Symposium on Signals and Wrecks," in the Railway Review, and two illustrated articles in Cassier's Engineering Magazine (of London). [xvi]

As late as 1949, Dammond "continued to fight for recognition and compensation for his idea" according to A.S. 'Doc' Young, a reporter for the Chicago Defender. The African American engineer was employed as a structural draftsman at the New York City Board of transportation. The New York City subways, Pennsylvania, Long Island, and New York
Central Railroads adopted "underdeveloped" versions of the Dammond Circuit, although these circuits provided "no protection" against a certain class of wrecks. [xvii]

The contributions of African American inventors altered the landscape, providing mortar to build America. Early African American inventors were called "tinkers," but the term did not fully convey the intricacies of their work. A professional engineer, William Hunter Dammond (18731956), achieved not only an outstanding educational record but made significant contributions to a major American industry where the African American masses were employed. Until recently there has been little acknowledgement of Black excellence as practiced by African American inventors, despite their significant contributions to the growth of America.

@ Saint...the emancipation proclamation...1865...and he was born 1873, 8 years later....dah

Anyway, excellent write-up on a very brilliant black man. One thing about Jamal....I give credit when credit is due...though that is not the subject of the blog...I really do admire William H. Dammond

@Jamal

You caught that dah........
This is the first time I remember you using that language?

Usually more explosive and arrogant.

So let's get on with the question I asked above?

I have my I-pad on the LIRR commuter train and we can talk besides a "Wall Street" friend of mines is enjoying this conversation- OKAY!

@ Saint....there is no comparison of American blue eye to other Caucasians around the world including Europe. If America wanted them, America bought them; Volta, Oersted, Faraday and Ampere were all Europeans. They all were early 1800. Italy, Danish, British and French but America done more with it. One thing about Caucasian culture is that they share their knowledge among their people. So just because Volta was Italian is was not only the Italians that benefited but all Europeans and Americans...so I think your point is mute.

Where Asian history comes into play is that we were the founding fathers of the branches of math and science but became lax in the use of it. We can learn from history to put some pep to our step.....to put some rush to our ideas and get going. What hinders us is envy and jealousy, religion and love of women. Recognizing our challenges we need to face up to them and not try to hide them and find solutions for them then forge ahead.

Also, black civilization love to argue....its so hard to get something done with black people because we can lose so much time merely arguing. Arguing a lot of times over nothing or bull****. Where white people define a task and white people that may hate each others religion can come together and stick with the task at hand. But black people will argue and come close to fighting rather than get on with the project at hand.

Okay... this is healthy discussion and my friend from Wall Street is white and jewish and they fight like maniacs.

Ever been around them? He is laughing and my cousin is a graduate of Georgia Tech College of Engineering in electrical engineering specialty and we discuss these topics all the time.

We don't need a diatribe about jealousy and envy all people have that.

It the top twenty percent that makes things happen for all nationalities.

What is the project at hand ?????being financially independent for all "BLACK PEOPLE", I'm not trying to be funny just need to establish the direction were your comments are going because I seems to be directed at me ????

How about the black engineering pioneers contribution to America and hence the world as well?

As per the subject to this blog.....I'm done

@ Jamal

My jewish associate said that the "Synagogue" and the Rabbi are the cornerstone of males Judaic power.

He was able to finance his education through the Synagogue.

So religion works for them and they love women too>

I laughed at him and said especially some Latino and Asian women because they don't give as much "MOUTH" as some of their women !

@ Jamal

Okay..... I have to go too.

Catch you again next time have a good day .Inshallah!!!!