Elijah Muhammad still had a slave mind when he founded the Nation of Islam.

Harry, this is 2016 and you need to stop trying to dragging the members and readers of the forum down your road of stupidity! Your history of deception is well written in the archives of this forum. You do this on purpose and your purpose is to mislead the readers and dupe them into following and supporting your dumb ass.

Deacon Ron Gray, Sister Juanita, and a whole host of other members and readers of this forum (myself included) asked your dumb ass one question "If you are a prophet you claim to be, then where are your works?" and you went all around the world presenting everything else except what the hell we asked you.

You get on here and talk a bunch of BS, making yourself feel elevated above Elijah Muhammad, but Elijah Muhammad was nowhere near the slave that you are and he only had a 4th grade education!!!

Elijah Muhammad owned 47 Muhammad Universities, and over 60 mosques (they were called temples at that time). Elijah Muhammad owned farmland in 3 (yes, I said THREE) states. He had over 1000 heads of cattle, 1000 heads of sheep, vegetable gardens, fruit trees, a fleet of trucks, a fleet of airplanes. He owned his own aviation department at the airport.

He also owned a diner, a bakery, a fish factory, a sewing factory, an auto repair shop, a laundromat and dry cleaners, a doctor's office, a dental office, he purchased the facility for a medical center that held over 600 rooms with beds. The purchase of the hospital was announced in the Muhammad Speaks Newspaper, but a couple of weeks after the newspaper made the announcement Elijah Muhammad was hospitalized, and he passed away months later.

Elijah Muhammad also owned the controlling shares of the National Guaranty Bank and Trust. Muhammad Ali kept all of the money from The Rumble in the Jungle, The Thrilla in Manilla, and his other big fights in that bank. During the early 1970's, The Nation Of Islam was worth 80 million dollars. The National Guaranty Bank was worth much more than that alone!

I don't know if you know anything about banking, but in order to own or operate a bank, the Federal Reserve dictates that you keep at least a 50 million dollar reserve, plus 20 million in gold bars by the time the bank closes. If you don't have enough by the time the bank closes, you better hope like hell a neighboring bank will let you hold that amount, and it was not that much different in 1975.

I know you ain't gonna believe that Elijah Muhammad was worth more that 80 million, but Elijah Muhammad had more than his family, his followers, and those outside the Nation Of Islam knew about. He was always discreet about the money. Elijah Muhammad was a whole lot smarter than what you and other NOI detractors and yo-yos on this site give him credit for and brought more to the table in his 40 years of NOI leadership than what the average black person could or can.

What do you bring to the table Harry? Nothing but face and ass...you've been preaching the same old same old for over 6 years and counting, yet you have accomplished nothing...

By the way, I think the real reason you have such animosity against the NOI is because way back in the day (before you met your current wife) you wanted to date a certain sister in the mosque in North Carolina, and it didn't work out the way you intended, so that explains why you're on this whole "ol'broken-hearted-poindexter-I'll-get-revenge" type BS you're on now.

"WHAT!!!" OH NOHHHHHHH!

Ms. Siebra,

Your post reply have 10 paragraphs and not one said that I was wrong or lying.
I said that Elijah was raised by a foreigner named Farad Muhammad and not by the same God that anointed Prophet Mohammed and me, Prophet Harry. Therefore, nothing had change about Elijah. He was born an ignorant slave and he died an ignorant slave minded.
You know more than Elijah did since you know through me that prophets are racially different our prophet must be a Black American as we are and anointed by the same God that anointed Prophet Mohammed. Elijah did not know this divine revelation when he died.
Elijah was not a man from God and we need a man from God!

All that you are doing is explaining to me how successful Elijah became in the world of White people and their system and rules that dumb-ass Elijah had to abide by, am I right!

I said that Elijah was raised by the foreigner named Farad Muhammad who you all believe is God in the flesh and that is extremely STUPID! No man can be God nor would God be a man! But, what is STUPID is that you all along with Elijah believe that an Arabian man is you all God!
You did not say I was lying about this!
It makes me so sad is to see how STUPID you all are to believe an Arab man is God!

All your post was doing is trying to falsely prop Elijah up because he was nothing! However, in Elijah’s heart we wanted to see us free, but buying up farmlands is not an act of sovereignty.
What Elijah wanted for us will be done through me by God! I am Black America’s first genuine prophet. If Elijah was our first prophet he would have our religion, but it is I who have our religion. Elijah had the Islamic religion that clearly belongs to the Arab people. You all are STUPID big-time.
The only correction that you all can make is to follow me and abandon all that you have previously believed.

You can't compare yourself or hold a light to The Honorable Elijah Muhammad because in his lifetime he has employed tens of thousands Black American to put roofs over our peoples heads. From his teachings he have saved tens of thousands from Both Men and Women from alcohol, prostitution, the streets, gangs and drugs, just to mention a few of the evil ones pitfalls.

You have the nerves to criticize The Honorable Elijah Muhammad who left a nation when your slow as don't even have a address, INCREDIBLE!!!

Mr. Ron,

You said this, “You can't compare yourself or hold a light to The Honorable Elijah Muhammad…”
I am not comparing myself to Elijah Muhammad since I out lined that he was a very ignorant man because he did not know that prophets are racially different which would have been his guiding light to God.
If Elijah was not spiritually ignorant he would have known that the Arab foreigner Mr. Farad Muhammad was a phony since there is not a racial match between him and Mr. Farad Muhammad.

Am I right or am I wrong? That is what you Mr. Ron is to respond too! You are a very STUPID man Mr. Ron.

You talk and boast about sovereignty, but what are you doing for the brothers and sisters in Flint Michigan that's being affected by the contaminated water system? What about the people affected by the recent snowstorm in the Washington D.C. and surrounding areas? Did you do as our sister Aretha Franklin and other celebrities have done and donated hotel rooms and non-perishable food items to our brothers and sisters affected by the water crisis? Let me guess, probably not.

Can you show me a receipt of a donation which predates today’s date where you gave to the people? Can you show me your paper work (if any) with dates and amounts? Did you at least buy yourself a round trip ticket to Flint, Michigan and/or Washington D.C.?

How can you call the Honorable Elijah Muhammad spiritually ignorant when you are doing exactly what you accuse him of?

Poor HARRY WOW...

Siebra,

You said this, “You talk and boast about sovereignty, but what are you doing for the brothers and sisters in Flint Michigan that's being affected by the contaminated water system?”

In general I don’t think you understand the roll of a prophet and specifically speaking my roll as Black America’s first genuine prophet!

The prophet that I am to us Black Americans is to lead us out of White America’s jurisdiction mentally and physically and into our country as I have out-lined.
My second responsibility is to bring us our own religion. My third responsibility is to make sure we write our own scriptures.

Flint, Michigan is not a part of our country to be. Remember that our country is going to be from the northern borders of N.C. into the Gulf of Mexico and from the middle of the Mississippi River into the Atlantic Ocean.
Flint, Michigan is not a part of my divine job description

Lastly, you said this, “How can you call the Honorable Elijah Muhammad spiritually ignorant…”
I call Elijah ignorant because it is TRUE! Elijah did not know that prophets are racially different which means that Elijah’s prophet must be a Black American man and not a foreigner like Mr. Farad Muhammad.

You are up-set because everything I am saying is true about Elijah. You are too emotionally involved with the NOI to see clearly and understand wisely!

Sister Siebra, you all should not waste your divine words to counter-attack this self-proclaimed prophet. He's simply not worth the time, energy and thought. :)

You say: Elijah Muhammad still had a slave mind when he founded the Nation of Islam.

You mind is delusional and you have helped no one, you have no address, you have no sermon for the The Black American, you have no land, you have no direction for The Black American after 9 long years, you have nothing but Prophets are racially different, which that is a LIE because all of the Prophets was Black Hebrews, "BLACK," the same race you identify with, Black American.

Hello to all,

What I know is this!

I said that Elijah had a slave mind when he founded the NOI. I proved it when I said Elijah did not know that prophets are racially different. Had Elijah know that prophets are racially different Elijah would never have taken to the Arab Mr. Farad Muhammad. No one said I was wrong!

What I do see is that the truth have really hurt you all. You all are whining like pigs going to market. Oh! Please Prophet Harry please say Elijah was intelligent.

Stop whining and spell out for me if I am wrong where and how I am wrong. But, if I am not wrong I expect you to believe in me and join me since God is only with me.

Harry,

Did you read what I said? You are wrong and you know it. The Honorable Elijah and faith and he acted on it. You on the other hand have not done a thing for the Black American. Now that you said that the prophets who is recently different and I have shown you Unrebukeable to proof that all the prophets in The Holy Bible (KJV) was BLACK, The same race that you identify with, BLACK AMERICAN. That news blew that LIE of yours out of the water.

HARRY, you are WRONG as hell and God has been talking to us, the Hebrew people and their seed, their bloodline since the beginning of time but we just don't listen to GOD but would we rather listen to Lucifer and other gods.

It was God who made a covenant with the black Hebrew Israelite and there seed and God told us what he was going to do and The land that he was going to bring us back too. GOD don't have to LIE but you feel that it is necessary for you to lie.

Mr. Ron,

You said this, “…the prophets in The Holy Bible (KJV) was BLACK, The same race that you identify with, BLACK AMERICAN.”

It is not true since the Blacks in the Bible did not experience plantation slavery where the systemic breeding process went on for 300 years turning the slaves into a NEW race of people knows today as Black Americans.

Black Americans coming into existence did not start in the Bible! It started on the slave plantations in the South in this country of White America. White America has said that their greatest SIN was plantation slavery. The White slave-masters watched the slaves turned from Africans to a NEW race of people seeing the physical appearance of the slaves change through 300 years.

We have been crying out for God’s help just like the Children of Israel did in the days of Prophet Moses and just as the same God heard the Israelites’ crying out from the cruelty of the Pharaoh and the Egyptian people the same God have heard our pains and sufferings.

When God decides to help any people crying out the first thing that God always do is to anoint those people like us Black Americans and the Children of Israel a prophet. God anointed Prophet Moses and the same God anointed me, Prophet Harry for all Black Americans.

The people of the White Christian Bible are racially different from us Black Americans.

HARRY,

Thank you for rretelling these LIES. You cant prove nothing you have said. If we was Made by Plantatio. n slaves onwers, that THUGS DNA would be still with us but 8 out of 10 Black Americans tested trdoday have Sub-saharan Bloodlines And not that heavans blood running through our veins. HARRY, this is a LIE i have busted you on many times now and I know for a FACT, you know better.

HARRY, are you still. calling 80% of Black Americans that dont have that THUGS blood in uz PHONY? The proof is in the bloodline, the seed, our Ancestors, HARRY and 80% of Black Americans are not PHONY.

Please drop that Willie Lynch BS, trying to pit the light skin Among us against the darker skin, STOP this LIE NOW.

Mr. Ron,

You said this, “…trying to pit the light skin Among us against the darker skin, STOP this LIE NOW.”

Dark skinned and light skinned Black Americans are all my Black American people. I came out of 41 million Black Americans. God anointed me the first genuine Black American prophet. It is a bold-face lie to say I am pitting dark and light skin against each other is a very big lie.

Like Prophet Moses I want to see us Black Americans free in our own country and not voting in White America’s system of government. I want us Black Americans to have our own prophet like the Israelites and the Arabian people. I want us Black Americans to have our own Bible and that means we must write it our selves just like the Jews who has the Torah and the Arabians who have the Quran and the European gentiles that have the Old Testament!

I can not continue this dialogue in good faith. I want to dialogue with a person of my race, but he or she must be honest and intelligent because honest and intelligent people don’t lie.

This will be my last comment to you because of the lie that I am pitting dark-skinned Blacks against light skinned Black is an awful lie!!

Was that all you saw HARRY?

YOU SAID THIS: Dark skinned and light skinned Black Americans are all my Black American people. I came out of 41 million Black Americans. God anointed me the first genuine Black American prophet. It is a bold-face lie to say I am pitting dark and light skin against each other is a very big lie.

You have also called 80 percent of us Black Americans PHONY, now you want to act all high and mighty to say "God anointed you to be the first genuine Black American prophet. If God anointed you to be a prophet of Black Americans, you would be about doing what God told you to do, SEE THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE FAILLING TO DO and there goes THAT LIE of lucifer's, which came to the weakest in mind which is you HARRY. Put his lying tools down now HARRY, I have faith that you can do it, if you want it bad enough.

You can't tell any Black American what you have done to help any of our people who was down and out, to lead them to live a spiritual LIFE in The Most High. You can't tell any Black American that you fed the hungry in the knowledge of God because you do not have that spirit and the knowledge to TEACH his words. You can't direct the lost to the path of the all mighty because you are running away from his words as we speak.

The reason why you can't have a good exchange of dialogue in good faith is because I will not let you tell e those LIES of YOURS, without asking for proof of what you have done as a prophet for the Black American people, where you have done this works or have any evidence of what you have done as a prophet.

You tell us that God anointed you to be the first genuine Black American prophet but all I hear from you is your boasting about what you want to see and nothing about what God told you to do or what you have done to raise the spirits of The Most High in the Black American.

See HARRY, you know that I know that if God sent you to do God's works, God would have given you provisions to carry out the task and so far, all have been seeing is your as, when you turn to run from the truth.

What a Shame HARRY and you have the nerve to talk about someone with a slave mind. Look in the mirror HARRY, and you will see someone that requires a lot of work on there own slave mind..