Donald Trump, Abortion Foe, Eyes ‘Punishment’ for Women, Then Recants

7 out of 10 subjects that he answered was a LIE according to POLITIFACT.

Hey Steven, can you believe that?

This man flipped flopped and changed his story THREE TIMES. WOW!!!

Trump isn't anti-abortion Ron. He's like you, urban values.

Maybe you could put the full context Ron. It's not that hard to find.

What more do you need to see Steven? The feed back to what Trump said is everywhere, Trump truly did go where no other republican has gone, with his statement, that the woman should be punished for having a abortion.

STEVEN, if you are looking for more info on the fallout of Trumps remarks, go back up to the top of this blog and click on the link, OK!!!

Also within a 24hour Trump flipped flopped THREE TIMES on this subject,.

Try this one Ron, starting at 5:17 from the end. It's five times as long as your clip. It includes the original question from the audience and Trump's initial concise reply.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aUClmJN4HhI

Thank you for this link as Trump truly did go where no other republican have gone. The question of women's right began at 9:59.

Now with that statement brings forth the goals of the PRO LIFE GROUPS. which means that if abortions are made illegal in this country, the Government can tell that woman to bring that child to birth and if that pregnancy is not brought to term or she has an abortion, then that woman must report that to the government, an investigation must be preformed to see if any laws have been broken, if so, that woman can be subject for punishment under the law.

Sounds like big corporations, Big Brother, Big Government too me, how about you?

He said that you have to go back to back allies abortions.

First of all, abortion law would have to be made by Congress before it ever got to the President's desk. Roe v Wade is the current Supreme Court ruling. Second, it's interesting how Cruz and Kasich where hammering Trump for not being a "true conservative" and really being pro-choice, but now think that Trump is too far right? In the meantime, one of the liberal media said that Trump's answer sounded like what a liberal would say if he was trying to pose as pro-life.

Now with that statement brings forth the goals of the PRO LIFE GROUPS. which means that if abortions are made illegal in this country, the Government can tell that woman to bring that child to birth and if that pregnancy is not brought to term or she has an abortion, then that woman must report that to the government, an investigation must be preformed to see if any laws have been broken, if so, that woman can be subject for punishment under the law.

Sounds like big corporations, Big Brother, Big Government too me, how about you?

Very interesting the hypocrisy that is going on between Cruz and Kasich and it could be this to, For example, a recent New York Times/CBS poll found that 60 percent of Republican voters are “embarrassed” by Donald Trump’s campaign. The poll does not provide any systematic data about what it is about Trump that is embarrassing to that majority of Republicans. But it is not hard to come up with a list of ways that Trump has violated America’s traditional norms for presidential behavior: his bullying, his eagerness to pick fights, the coarseness of his insults to opponents and to women, his seeming disregard for the truth, his unseemly bragging. These Republican citizens may be embarrassed, then, by Trump’s acting overall in ways that are unsuitable for the role of the American president. Republican citizens just maybe are awakening to the FACT that they are embarrassed by Trump’s acting overall in ways that are unsuitable for the role of the American president. One could therefore imagine good reasons for the Republican Establishment, Cruz and Kasich wanting to block Trump from becoming the Party’s standard-bearer. Since the Donald made that comment, he has flipped flopped THREE TIMES and now this morning he now says:

"If Congress were to pass legislation making abortion illegal and the federal courts upheld this legislation, or any state were permitted to ban abortion under state and federal law, the doctor or any other person performing this illegal act upon a woman would be held legally responsible, not the woman," Trump said in a statement.

Can the Donald walk his statement back? Is this any indication of Donald under pressure? Is this what the people want?

Is this what what people want Ron? I don't care about the damn Republicans, I'm a Libertarian and we are pro choice.

https://www.lp.org/platform

1.5 Abortion

Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration

Steven, don't get me wrong, I know you don't care about the damn Republicans and that you are a Libertarian that share the same pro choice views as the republicans. You and I both know that Libertarians by themselves will not have a chance to effectively change ROS VS WADE without teaming up with the republicans to get this legislation passed into law.

Now that it appears that Donald Trump will be the front runner of the republican party, connects you as a supporter into this republican chaos by proxy.

How is that support for trump working out for you after this recent interview with Chris Matthews?

Ron, when I say "we are pro choice" I mean we the Libertarians, as I showed you on our platform. My support for Trump, not the Republicans, is because he is the only Two Party Presidential 2016 Candidate that I as a Libertarian am comfortable with. Bernie wouldn't be all bad except he is fiscally irresponsible.

How is that support for trump working out for you after this recent interview with Chris Matthews?

If he's the nominee I'm fine, otherwise I'll vote Libertarian.

Gary Johnson is polling at 10% in the general.

So you don't care that Donald have just flipped flopped, LIED three times about abortion in front of your face?

Not a bit Ron. I don't give a damn about abortion.

How about the rights of a woman?

They'll have to fend for themselves. Sorry to be so harsh Ron, but I think I've already related my personal experience. My youngest child would have been been 14 or 15 by now.

But I drove my wife to Planned Parenhood. I told you right?

I believe this is the first I heard of this. By saying, They'll have to fend for themselves, are you saying a Woman have a choice?

Ron. Like Donald i morally object to abortion, but I know there's no way to stop women from doing it. But as far as issues, it's at the very bottom of my list

That's just what Trump was trying to explain to Matthews, Who made his excuses that he's not a very good Catholic.

You was talking about you drove you wife to Planned Parenhood and something about how old your youngest child would be. What are you talking about?

I'm talking about my wife making excuses and going to Planned Parenthood in San Francisco in 2001 or 2002. I was 45 with five grown children already. I was ready to take it on. Not her. They make it too easy Ron, a life has no meaning, just baby parts for sale.

In your case, you have not forgiven yourself for what happened with your family as the leader of your family. However, each case must have that right to seek The Most High's answer and as you did, and if you have not seek his forgiveness Steven, it is not to late and no other person should make a law to stop another from doing the same.

The law is Roe v. Wade and that's not going to change. Hypothetical abortion issues, nor fogiveness of myself or others doesn't have any impact on my election choice. Who might take a step in the right direction on 20 trillion of debt does.

1.1 trillion uncontested in the unholy alliance of Republicans and Democratics in 2015, just so their dumb asses can be elected free and clear in 2016. No forgiveness for them neither.

Laws are being changed and Roe v. Wade is one of the man dates of The Republican Party. As far as that 20 trillion of deb is concerned, this country is still the best bet in the world. You must have forgotten what happen to this country under The BUSH Admin, do you want more of that?

Trump is not a Bush nor an Obama. I'm holding out hope the electorate will see the light.

Trump was asked does he think abortion is murder. He declined to answer. I think it is, what about you Ron?

Trump is not a Bush nor an Obama. I'm holding out hope the electorate will see the light.

You can hold on, that is your choice.

Trump was asked does he think abortion is murder. He declined to answer.

Is Donald now gun shy now after shooting off his mouth after being, pressed Wednesday on his support for a ban on abortion and what it would mean in practice, said that “there has to be some form of punishment” for women who have abortions.

He said this and now the Donald is not talking and he is speaking what's on the minds of many, like yourself, you got to be kidding me!!!

At least Trump admitted he had thoughts on the subject but didn't want to share them. Whereas you Ron just dodged the question entirely.

He don't want to share them until after the elections? Steven, this man is running as a front runner for The republican Party!!!

Then if you think that it is murder, then you are an accessory to a crime of murder if the pro life movement ever get into power. Do you see how foolish that sound?

Let us highlight for a moment what a Accessory to crime means:

An accessory is a person who assists in the commission of a crime, but who does not actually participate in the commission of the crime as a joint principal. In some jurisdictions, an accessory is distinguished from an accomplice, who normally is present at the crime and participates in some way. An accessory must generally have knowledge that a crime is being, or will be committed.

Did you fit that description Steven?

It's legal murder but murder nontheless. Like war and executions.

Abortions is the Law and women in this country have the right to choose. Donald's unfavorable ratings are dropping like a rock amongst women to 70% against. He will also lose Wisconsin also.

Don't you have a higher law Ron? I know I do. What does your Christian law say?

Yes I do Steven, how ever Donald Trump can't run for that position.

SORRY...

I understand Ron, because I know there's nothing in the Bible about abortion. There's nothing in the Lotus Sutra about abortion either, but I understand the Buddha Way and you should understand the Jesus Way.

Now getting back to Trump and his comments and flip flips, now he wants to put the physicians in jail for performing a medical procedure.

We are talking about Trump. His exchange with Matthews was about morality. All Matthews could say was "I didn't say I was a good Catholic."

Keep in mind Steven, it is what Trump said that counts, for he is running to be elected to the most powerful office in the world.

Thump said: there has to be some form of punishment” for women who have abortions.

Less than three hours later, Mr. Trump revised himself, issuing a written statement saying that such a ban would criminalize only those performing the procedure, not the women getting abortions. “The woman is a victim in this case, as is the life in her womb,” he said

That mis-speak comment of Trumps have set his campaign back so badly, the Republican Party has to call his ass in to talk about that one comment he made.

This morning I heard him say that he was taken out of contexts, BULL💩.

Did you read his lips Steven? You saw him say that, didn't you but you don't see his error do you?

Do you really want to go back to those days Steven?

I'm not talking about any alleged flip-flops, I'm talking about this five minute exchange right here. Does morality scare you Ron?

Steven, this blog is about Donald Trump and his flip flops on abortion.

No morality do not scare me. morality is about principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior and that is something I respect.

When someone is telling me LIES to my face, like the ones highlighted here in this blog I recognize right from wrong or good from bad. Steven, morality is nothing to be afraid of but must be respected so one can make the right choices in life.

I've never met a Christian who thinks abortion is good not bad, right not wrong. I've never met a Christian who put their political affiliation first and their faith second.

Donald Trump, Abortion Foe, Eyes ‘Punishment’ for Women, Then Recants

SUBJECT

Question was ASKED

1.....if abortion was ILLEGAL
2.....If Republican Thought was the LAW of the Land
3.....If Christian Church Law was Law of the Land
4.....If the ABORTING of a Fetus is Murder

YES....Yes and ALWAYS yes.......If you commit an ACT against a LAW ..... YOU and ALL with you are PUNISHED

All Abortionists/Abortioners/abortionees .... 2016 ..... ARE punished daily mentally and physically anyway.....

again

......thank you Mr. Donald Trump...businessmanActor......for "keeping it REAL"

That is just one of the reasons why Trump will lose it for the Republican Party.

You saw what he said, didn't you?

......thank you Mr. Donald Trump...businessmanActor......for "keeping it REAL"

Hey Steven,

You never will. In this country we have separation between church and state it is called The Bill of Rights. Later to be known as The First Amendment to the United States Constitution, Jefferson writes: this is a concept defining the distance in the relationship between organized religion and the nation state. It may refer to creating a secular state, with or without explicit reference to such separation, or to changing an existing relationship of church involvement in a state (disestablishment).

Have you read the First Amendment Ron? Do you see the words 'separation', 'church', or 'state' anywhere in there?

Steven, let me take you by the hand like a little boy and show you that The First Amendment to the United States Constitution states clearly where the congress shall not do, when it comes to religion.

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

This is what the First Amendment provides the people of The United States of America. I want to highlight for you this sentence " Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."

YOUR WORDS: I've never met a Christian who thinks abortion is good not bad, right not wrong. I've never met a Christian who put their political affiliation first and their faith second.

MY REPLY: You never will.

My PROOF: " Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."

Don't get yourself confused. Donald Trump wants to take The First Amendment Rights away from women in the case of unwanted pregnancies or make it illegal for physicians to preform such a procedure called abortions. He wants to go back in time to where women had to go to the back alleys again. Do you want that?

Ron, are you saying abortion is the free exercise of religion?

Steven, have you ever known a religion to have an abortion? It is the religious right who wants to band abortions and I am showing you that that First Amendment provides the people of The United States of America to make no LAW on religious grounds against that practice.

That I the reason why Trump is being blasted on both sides of his statement Steven, cant you see that?

Excuse me Ron, the first amendment doesn't guarantee the right to an abortion. And I don't give the critics of Trump on this issue, from whatever side, any credit.

I myself do not favor a ban on abortion. What I want is for the pro choice people to call it what it is, killing an unborn baby. Quit whitewashing it by calling it "removal of fetal tissue" like it's some sort of parasite.

You saw what he said, didn't you?

......thank you Mr. Donald Trump...businessmanActor......for "keeping it REAL"
Sunday, April 3rd 2016 at 10:26AM
Deacon Ron Gray

AND

yourHillary of kkkPenal and Welfare Laws SAID: ....... 4/3/2016

"the UNBORN human life .....that is to be ABORTED"

unborn human life ........ ABORTED?

a·bort

v. a·bort·ed, a·bort·ing, a·borts

v.tr.
1. a. To terminate (a living pregnancy) by abortion.

b. To cause the expulsion of (a living embryo or fetus) by abortion.

c. To undergo the abortion of (a living embryo or fetus).

d. To miscarry (a living embryo or fetus).

2. To terminate (an undertaking or procedure) before implementation or completion:

3. To stop the progress of (a disease, for example).

v.intr.

1. To miscarry.

2. To cease growth before full development or maturation.

3. To terminate an undertaking or procedure before implementation or completion.

The Monster of Life Termination is that female...............

The 'blackHebrewIsraelite'....'whiteManSteveAdam' ABOVE argument is not about the CONSTITUTION or Belief(religion)

------- it is an Argument AGAINST living Science and the Development of Human Species

You saw what he said, didn't you or did you?

The right to choose is the most important thing to observe business case, the right of choice is what freedom is Steven. The religious aspect to your point should be between the woman and The Most High and not you or anyone group.

What don't you get Ron about I'm not for a ban on abortion? That DOES NOT make it right or good. That does not change the fact as Robert just said and Hillary too that the foetus is a PERSON!

Damn Ron, is that how little life means to you?

Listen to me and you listen good. I raised my family and they are doing well. Life is very important to me so much that I was willing to sacrifice my own life for this country so you and all women have that right of choice. Where was you when your country was calling for a few good men.

So don't give me that BullL💩 about how little life means, DO YOU HEAR ME????

Nixon ended the draft when I was 17. I was grateful to him for that.

You was grateful, then you could have served your country in peace times and you still did not answer that call neither. So don't give me that BullL💩 about how little life means, DO YOU HEAR ME????

Now you know Ron, we're talking about unborn persons. Hillary says they're not protected by the constitution. What moral value do these unborn persons have?

YOUR WORDS STEVEN: Damn Ron, is that how little life means to you? This sounds like a open statement to me!!!


YOUR QUESTION: What moral value do these unborn persons have? That once was my decision and that was between my wife, myself and GOD, nobody else, nobody else. That choice was mine and that choice must stay open, always.

Donald Trump and people like you will try and fail to take that right to make that decision away from a family or a single woman to have that relationship between her and The Almighty.

The only call you should have on that question is when it happens to be your turn and nobody else should come between that. It is not your call to judge another or make laws to govern that decision.

I made clear my stance on the temporal law. I'm askng you about a higher law. The first of the four sufferings is birth. Neither you nor I would be here if not for our mothers birthing us. What moral value does that have Ron?

And I made my point very clear Steven. Morality is a belief or a standard based on principles of conduct from a core Acceptance in The Most High, religion, culture or a philosophy that should not be legislated.

In other words Steven, The Government has no business there period.

Why are you protecting Donald Trump?

The government does have business there. We the people have morals, that can't be escaped.

You are wrong as hell Steven The government does not have any business there and Donald Trump will not bring the Government there because he will be defeated.

Even the people in The republican Party don't like Trump. Let us see what will happen today for the Donald.

We shall see.

I think what everyone is discounting is the crossover vote and the independent vote

That crossover vote from Donald Trump will help Bernie.

They've already called it for Bernie. Free stuff for everyone!

How is Trump doing?

Never mind, Trump lose to Cruz, I told you so Steven, Trump is a loser. (LOL)

Those cheddarheads went for Cruz.

Stop crying Steven, you look bad. (LOL)

The polls showed Cruz ahead, and knowing how Wisconsin is I figured this would be the result. The hard part will be listening to the insufferable media for two weeks until New York. And Trump has a solid lead here in Pennsylvania and in my second home state of California.

As far as crying, those are tears of joy that Hillary got schlonged again.

How did you figure out the trump was going to lose when he looked dead in the camera and told everyone that he was going to win Wisconsin. WOW!!! What a liar That man is.

I thought there was a chance Trump would win but like I said Ron, I inderstand midwesterners. They are too nice and polite for Donald Trump. Why they like Cruz though is the mystery. Maybe they did as he suggested, and when they prayerfully considered him, God told them to run into his open arms. Religion does strange things to people.

Along with a recommendation from the governor WALKER that put that foot in Trumps behind, don't leave that out, Steven. (LOL)

Now this cry baby said that the Republican Party is not treating him right and once again Trump is thinking of running as a third party candidate, maybe he can run as a "LIBERTARIAN." (LOL)

If he runs as third-party that would be ideal.

As a "LIBERTARIAN?"

As any third-party, doesn't matter. I voted Green last time around.

Trump don't reflex the GREEN PARTY agenda and you know this. Trump is more in line with THE "LIBERTARIAN PARTY," anything is up for sale but there is still a problem with Trump LYING and double talk as he panders to fit the crowd.

Do you know a politician that doesn't lie? Sanders doesn't lie? Is that what you'd like to convince me of Ron? Free stuff for everyone!

No Steven, I not trying to convince you of that.

Donald Trump fairs better with the uneducated or lowly educated that believe him. On the topic of abortion, that man LIED and changed his position 6 TIMES, 6 TIMES Steven, that man is just pondering to the crowd and he don't have a plan to make America great again.

SORRY Steven!!! I don't believe him at all.

Ted Cruz fared better with the low educated in Wisconsin. Check it out Ron.

These are Donald's words and you still defend his actions, WHY?

They are the Washington Post's words.

Donald Trump’s surge is all about less-educated Americans

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fi...

Is this your reason why Steven? WOW!

They are probably the reason why Donald repeated those words. I'm glad he did since I'm one of the persons thus classified by the media, and by President Obama.

Which group of people are you talking about Steven?

I'm still talking about classism Ron.

"Donald Trump’s surge is all about less-educated Americans"

SUBJECT

Donald Trump, Abortion Foe, Eyes ‘Punishment’ for Women,

and then the 'blackHebrewIsraelite' and BIA 'whiteMan' steveADAM talk about LESS EDUCATED Citizens....?

"...just said and Hillary too that the foetus is a PERSON!...."

Monday, April 4th 2016 at 5:41PM
Steve Williams

"Donald Trump’s surge is all about less-educated Americans"

Thursday, April 7th 2016 at 8:53AM
Steve Williams

'....Which group of people are you talking about Steven?..."

Thursday, April 7th 2016 at 8:30AM
Deacon Ron Gray

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F E T U S

1.an unborn offspring of a mammal, in particular an unborn human baby ........

......"LESS EDUCATED"... American Citizens that TERMINATE or DESTROY...Kill....that F E T U S are COMMITTING a Crime punishable in the American Lawful Penal Code.....by TERMINATION or Destruction of LIFE

ps.... speaking of "less-educated Americans" OR LEAST educated Americans

hillaryRacist 2007 Disrespecter AND FIRST public OFFICIAL that EVER said ANYTHING ... EVIL and bad

... about Our Greatest Leader of the "Free World"...Nobel Prize Winner.... President Baraaka Hussein Obama got 85-99% of southern AfricanAmerican votes in kkkPolicy Stronghold states of the Confederacy.......

Leave the Big Apple.. BillionaireLOVER of women ...Mr. Donald Trump to the American Female Voters....

Are you in that class Steven?

That's what President Obama says.

Donald Trump has gained traction in the Republican primary, according to President Obama, because the boisterous billionaire has found a way to play off American anxieties, especially among "blue-collar men."

http://www.npr.org/2015/12/21/460281546/wa...

Isn't that the truth?

You two-partyers crack me up Ron. I have no anxiety.

That is great...

Now back to this topic.

Donald Trump, the bane of Democratics and Republicans alike.

Donald Trump is not far right enough for you, isn't he?

I'll say it again, Trump is a moderate. That's part of his appeal.

The question was directed about what YOU thought that Donald is not far right enough for you, isn't he! What do YOU think?

I don't understand your phrasing Ron. Are you asking is Donald not far enough right, or too far right, for me?

Yes! Are your believes, right of Donald Trump?

We'll need to go issue by issue Ron. On abortion I'm to the left of Trump. On this one, we're at the same position on your spectrum:

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, who in the past called for restrictions on certain weapons purchases, announced his plan for a national right-to-carry law and called gun and magazine bans “a total failure.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles...

SUBJECT

Donald Trump, Abortion Foe, Eyes ‘Punishment’ for Women,

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Donald Trump is not far right enough for you, isn't he?

Thursday, April 7th 2016 at 8:57PM
Deacon Ron Gray

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True.....

Thank You...

You will see this clip again in attack aids against The Donald, by using his own words.