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Why a Meaningful Shift in the Trump-Clinton Race May Be at Hand

Why a Meaningful Shift in the Trump-Clinton Race May Be at Hand

Dea. Ron Gray Sr. · Friday, August 5th 2016 at 10:38AM · 1200 views
Why a Meaningful Shift in the Trump-Clinton Race May Be at Hand
By NATE COHN

Hillary Clinton has a large and perhaps growing lead in the nation and in many of the predominantly white battleground states where Donald Trump was thought to have his best shot, according to a wave of new surveys released in the last two days.

Three national surveys — from Fox, NBC/WSJ and Marist/McClatchy — showed Mrs. Clinton ahead by big margins: 10, 9 and 15 percentage points. It’s the worst polling stretch for a presidential candidate at this stage since John McCain in mid-October of 2008.

It’s a little hard to make sense of it all, in part because the timing is a little unusual. This ought to be the heart of Mrs. Clinton’s post-convention bounce, when polling analysts generally preach caution. On the other hand, Mr. Trump had a tough week of his own making — drawing condemnation from Republican leaders and even causing a few high-profile defections from donors and the conservative media.

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The prudent approach is to wait, and see whether Mrs. Clinton’s lead endures for another week or two — after convention bounces usually fade. In the interim, we can cautiously say that there is more reason than usual to think that Mrs. Clinton’s newfound lead represents a meaningful shift in the race, one that would make a comeback for Mr. Trump seem daunting if it holds.

In general, it’s not worth overthinking post-convention bounces. They don’t necessarily even reflect real shifts in voter attitudes, just changes in how likely people are to respond to surveys. But strong conventions can speed up unification of divided parties and usher in a real shift.

Part of the reason Mrs. Clinton’s bounce seems more likely to last is that it seems to be coming from greater party unity: growing support from Bernie Sanders’s backers. The Marist poll showed Mrs. Clinton with the support of 90 percent of his voters, while a CNN poll gave her 91 percent. These numbers had usually been in the 60s or 70s.

Mrs. Clinton’s support appears to be underpinned by her improving image among Democratic-leaning voters, according to Gallup data. She could still lose some of those voters to third-party candidates, but Mr. Trump faces similar risks.

These gains have allowed Mrs. Clinton to move up to around 47 or 48 percent of the vote in recent polls. This is not an especially impressive tally, but for that same reason it seems reasonable to expect she could keep it: She’s not winning the support of a huge number of voters whom you would expect to abandon her.

At the same time, the unusually large number of voters considering a third-party candidate make Mrs. Clinton’s tallies seem likelier to be enough to win.

The polling numbers for Gary Johnson or Jill Stein will probably decline — especially once likely-voter screens are added. Mrs. Clinton’s tally would probably improve in the process; some of those voters would drift to her, and her voters would become a larger share of likely voters.

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Comments (23)

Steve Williams Friday, August 5th 2016 at 12:22PM

The only polls that matter are those on the eve of the election. My advise is to chill out.

Dea. Ron Gray Sr. Friday, August 5th 2016 at 2:59PM

Although interest in Jill Stein's presidential candidacy has increased, the Green Party has not yet qualified for many states' ballots. In other words Steven, your candidate cannot win the presidency because she is not registered in all 50 states in the United States of America.

So, that poll you are talking about is mute in your case.

Steve Williams Friday, August 5th 2016 at 4:21PM

She's on the ballot in Illinois.

Dea. Ron Gray Sr. Friday, August 5th 2016 at 4:55PM

You seem to miss the point. Traditionally the green party have not generated 15% to get into have not generated 15% to get into this years debates and they are not on the ballot in all 50 states. You need all 50 states to have a chance.

Steve Williams Friday, August 5th 2016 at 11:08PM

You seem to be arguing that my only choice is Trump, since I'll never vote for Hillary.

Dea. Ron Gray Sr. Saturday, August 6th 2016 at 7:08PM

No, Steven, I just showed you that your people can't get on the ballot in all 50 states or can't get 15% of the polls to get into the first debates at this point. Keep hope alive for Jill Stein's presidential candidacy.



Dea. Ron Gray Sr. Saturday, August 6th 2016 at 7:26PM

HEY STEVEN, did you hear? A judge recently threw out a lawsuit by Johnson and Stein, who were seeking to be included in presidential debates. Candidates must average at least 15% support by September to be included in the debates, a threshold neither Johnson nor Stein is currently meeting.

RealClearPolitics, which averages recent polls, had Stein polling an average 4 percent on Aug. 6. Johnson polled 8.4, Trump 36.7 and Clinton 43. The RCP polling average has Clinton leading 6.3 points.

Those Bernie supporters knows backing Stein will not get what they worked hard for and the best bet is Clinton .

Steve Williams Saturday, August 6th 2016 at 11:30PM

The system is rigged and you are acting like it's a good thing.

Dea. Ron Gray Sr. Sunday, August 7th 2016 at 2:29PM

I see that you don't want to talk about these third party candidates who can't even get on the ballot in all 50 States or get included in the debates according to the existing rules that we have right now and you want to talk about some system being rigged. Steven, I don't blame you for running away from that hot topic because you can't refute those FACTS.

Steven, your candidate Stein, is only polling at a average of 4 percent when she needs 15% of the nation to be heard and you call that system rigged? INTERESTING!!!



Steve Williams Sunday, August 7th 2016 at 4:45PM

You really don't know about ballot access?

Steve Williams Sunday, August 7th 2016 at 4:47PM

Ask Kasich. In Pennsylvania he couldn't even get 5000 signatures and Jill Stein had to get 20,000.

Steve Williams Sunday, August 7th 2016 at 4:48PM

Absolutely Ron, the system is rigged. But you go merrily on your way.

Dea. Ron Gray Sr. Monday, August 8th 2016 at 8:23AM

What about the 15% rule rules that you need to get into the debates?

Dea. Ron Gray Sr. Monday, August 8th 2016 at 8:26AM

What about this FACT:

perhaps growing lead in the nation and in many of the predominantly white battleground states where Donald Trump was thought to have his best shot, according to a wave of new surveys released in the last two days.

Do you know why this is?

Steve Williams Monday, August 8th 2016 at 9:03AM

Who made the 15% rule Ron? Duh, the Republicans and Democrats. The Demicans if you will.

Steve Williams Monday, August 8th 2016 at 9:06AM

Who does everything they can to deny ballot access to the third parties? Again, the Demicans.

Steve Williams Monday, August 8th 2016 at 9:12AM

In 2012 as I recall, Johnson got 5 or 6 percent of the vote and Stein 1 or 2. If the polls are right and in 2016 they get 15% combined, maybe more people will be encouraged to resist our rigged system.

Dea. Ron Gray Sr. Monday, August 8th 2016 at 10:33AM

I see that you suffer from CMS Can't Member 💩!!!

This blog is about Three national surveys — from Fox, NBC/WSJ and Marist/McClatchy — showed Mrs. Clinton ahead by big margins: 10, 9 and 15 percentage points. It’s the worst polling stretch for a presidential candidate at this stage since John McCain in mid-October of 2008.

If you want one talk about this content, I will be more then welcome to commutate on the subject and the content covered in this blog "Why a Meaningful Shift in the Trump-Clinton Race May Be at Hand"

Steve Williams Monday, August 8th 2016 at 12:20PM

I don't think so Ron. I don't care about samples of 500 unknown people asked unknown questions. That's not who we are.

Steve Williams Monday, August 8th 2016 at 1:42PM

He may still beat me, Stephen

Stephen --

This week, we learned that Donald Trump and the Republicans raised more than $82 million in the month of July.

This is the same man who mocked a disabled reporter and has called women "fat pigs." The same man who took the stage at the Republican National Convention and told the world that his vision is to build a wall between the United States and Mexico, deport millions of immigrants, and repeal the Affordable Care Act, leaving countless Americans without health care.

He's unqualified and unfit to lead our country -- but the unfortunate reality we must confront is that he still might be able to win if he spends enough to convince voters otherwise.

This team has what it takes to defeat him -- I know that. But I need to know you're with me right now. Will you chip in $3 or more to help make sure we win in November and build a future for our country that we can be proud of?

Dea. Ron Gray Sr. Monday, August 8th 2016 at 3:48PM

Still running from this topic. You know what? I would run from this topic too and try to change the subject from Why a Meaningful Shift in the Trump-Clinton Race May Be at Hand, to something less painful to talk about, that is what TROLLS do (LOL)



Steve Williams Monday, August 8th 2016 at 5:46PM

Troll is such a demonizing word Ron.

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