Most Americans Want More Gun Control. Why Doesn’t It Happen? | NYT (1249 hits)
Most Americans Want More Gun Control. Why Doesn’t It Happen? | NYT
Polls show solid support for stricter laws, especially after mass shootings. But there is also deep disagreement, staunch opposition and growing disenchantment with gun control.
Stop your LIES Steve!!! Did you see the charts in that last chart in this report? What was the percentage of Americans support stricter gun control laws?
Your report was unexpectedly fair and balanced Ron. It supports the obvious answer, that we don’t have more gun control because Americans don’t want more gun control. EVERY proposal brought to the floor in 2013 failed, and in 2018 pro-gun sentiment is even stronger.
Sunday, March 4th 2018 at 7:42PM
Steve Williams
"Did you see that last chart in this report? What was the percentage of Americans support stricter gun control laws?"
That's if you seen this report at the top of this blog?
If not, your last reply was just mere BULL 💩 and you know it.
Sunday, March 4th 2018 at 10:15PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Let’s start at the beginning of your almost 4 minute report. It shows President Obama in April 2013 saying 90% of Americans support “universal background checks”. But on April 17, 2013 Manchin/Toomey got only 54% of the votes. Either the 90% figure was bogus, or representative government in America is an utter failure. Which one is it Ron?
Monday, March 5th 2018 at 3:59AM
Steve Williams
Just look at your statement, you first make to this blog and I quote you Steve: Because most Americans don’t want more gun control. Now, from there, I responded with this: Stop your LIES Steve!!! Then I asked you two basic questions
1. Did you see the charts in that last chart in this report?
2. What was the percentage of Americans support stricter gun control laws?
Then you came back with this and once again, I WILL QUOTE YOU STEVE: Your report was unexpectedly fair and balanced Ron. It supports the obvious answer, that we don’t have more gun control because Americans don’t want more gun control. EVERY proposal brought to the floor in 2013 failed, and in 2018 pro-gun sentiment is even stronger.
Now, you want to tell me what a Republican Controlled both houses was doing most of that time, instead of staying focus to the information in the video presentation or answering both of my questions. So my reply was to put those same questions in front of you again, with directions to that last chart in this video which will show you proof of what the American people wanted your lawmakers to do.
Now here's your reply that takes answering my questions away in another direction now, answer these two questions of mine:
1. "Did you see that last chart in this report?
2. What was the percentage of Americans support stricter gun control laws?
Now I know for a FACT that you see these to questions.
Your questions are rude Ron. I’m not at the end of the video and your chart, I’m going through 4 minutes of a report starting at the beginning. In 2013 there was a Republican Congress and a Democrat President. In 2018 there is a Republican Congress and a Republican President. The only polls that matter are the ones where the ballots are counted.
Monday, March 5th 2018 at 8:40AM
Steve Williams
No! No! Steve, Let us deal with these questions first because I know for a FACT that you will see for yourself the answer to you question which is on that last chart will show you the percentage the American people wanted in gun-control legislation.
Now I want you to answer these to questions:
1. "Did you see that last chart in this report?
2. What was the percentage of Americans support stricter gun control laws?
Your questions are rude Ron. You put up a 4 minute video for discussion but you are playing your tired old game of trying to restrict commentary by putting your “questions” forward repeatedly to block commentary.
Monday, March 5th 2018 at 10:04AM
Steve Williams
Now we are told support for “universal background check” is 96%. This is no more true in 2018 than 90% was in 2013.
Monday, March 5th 2018 at 10:57AM
Steve Williams
No!!! No Steve, I am directing to your answer of this LIE of yours and I quote you Steve again: "Because most Americans don’t want more gun control." This statement right here is your LIE that you are spewing.
The NRA is about %3 of The American People at full membership. Now supports of gun laws want to people on the terrorist list, The mentally Ill and kids 18 can buy a rifle but he can't buy a hand weapon until 21.
Now according to this video report, you are correct that %96 wants universal background check but that was not on the last chart in this blog that support of American people some type of restrictive GUN - CONTROL legislation.
Now go back and tell me what percentage of the American people wants to improve our nations gun laws, it is the last chart you see in this blog, as the shootings continue.
The fallacy you are promoting Ron is that a poll represents the American people. A poll represents the people that answered the questions in the poll, a few hundred people answering a few questions. The polls where the American people cast their ballots are the only polls that represent what the American people want. Congress represents the American people when they enact laws. Congress isn’t enacting new gun control laws BECAUSE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DON’T WANT THOSE LAWS!!!
Monday, March 5th 2018 at 2:23PM
Steve Williams
I did not you ask you what a poll was Steve, it was understood what a poll is Steve. You seem to have problems answering a direct question to you, why? Is that your nature? At this point you are looking really bad, trying to prove your point.
Let us get back on point here Steve.
1. "Did you see that last chart in this report?
2. What was the percentage of Americans support stricter gun control laws?
Take this opportunity to answer these two questions like someone who wants to promote the truth, instead of a LIE.
Don't continue to run from the material and that last chart on this blog. Are you man enough to handle the truth? At this point, I don't think so.
Moving along we have this: “The devil is in the details.”
Monday, March 5th 2018 at 5:48PM
Steve Williams
Why would you come here to this blog asking or I should say making false statements and when I tells you where that information can be found, then you run like hell from it, WHY?
I’m talking about your video report Ron, immediately after the 96% figure. “The devil is in the details.” Have you seen it?
Monday, March 5th 2018 at 8:22PM
Steve Williams
Why are you running away from your own words Steve? "These are your words: Because most Americans don’t want more gun control." Sunday, March 4th 2018 at 3:35PM Since you said you saw this report, I directed you to that last chart and ask you what it said and YOU have been running like hell since
And I called you out and asked you two questions that you have not answered yet.
75% of Democrats want “stricter gun laws”, only 24% of Republicans do. What exactly are “stricter gun laws” Ron?
67% of non-gun owners think “easy access” to legal guns fuels gun violence, 44% of gun owners agree. What exactly is “easy access” Ron?
77% of non-gun owners want to ban “assault style” weapons, 48% of gun owners agree. What exactly is “assault style” Ron? It can’t mean “AR-15”. There’s NO WAY that 48% of gun owners want to ban the AR-15.
You got to be some kind of genius, to miss point 5 in this video report which you have run like hell from, starting from about the 3:23 mark in this video presentation to the end of this report.
You have tried to run around this subject and tried your best to talk about everything other than this last chart in this video presentation that will prove that your statement is a LIE and you are avoiding the truth to what that last chart means.
Now Steve, since you know where to go and the chart in question, take your time and tell us what percentage of Americans wants more Gun Control in this country in that last chart in question?
Moving on then, the NYT tells us 30% of Americans own guns. How do you know it’s not 50% Ron?
The Pew Research Center’s results generally track with the General Social Survey: When the GSS asked last year if people had a gun in their home or garage, 34% said they did.
Though other surveys (such as this one from Gallup) have found somewhat higher self-reported ownership rates, by and large they indicate that less than half of Americans own a gun.
You have gone of the mark with this link Steve, after all this time, you could not come to talk about the chart from about the 3:23 mark in this video presentation to the end of this report, WHY??
I’ll get to the end Ron, where’s the fire? In the meantime you don’t know how many American voters own guns. I don’t either.
Tuesday, March 6th 2018 at 3:27PM
Steve Williams
However many American voters own guns, 74% of them “say the right to own a gun is essential to their freedom.”
Tuesday, March 6th 2018 at 3:33PM
Steve Williams
Since you say you got to the end of this report, then you can tell me what percentage of Americans want stricter gun laws according to that last chart in this video presentation, can't you?
Now we get to the good part. In point 4 we are told, “The NRA leaders are more hardline than its members.” That bit of nonsense is easily proven wrong.
Wednesday, March 7th 2018 at 1:42AM
Steve Williams
You will have your chance to prove that later. Point 4 don't address this bold face LYING statement of yours, YOUR WORDS: "Because most Americans don’t want more gun control."
Steve, Still talking about anything else but the question asked, WHY? Tell me on point 5, What do that Chart say?
Now point 5. We are given a chart showing since 1990, a decrease in support for “stricter gun laws”, in 2017 said to be 60%. So 60% support WHAT Ron?
Wednesday, March 7th 2018 at 4:18AM
Steve Williams
If the Republicans had 60% of The House or The Senate, they would have a veto proof majority, which they don't have.
60% of Americans polled in that chart is the majority and they want “stricter gun laws”.
Our Republican elected officials are NOT doing the will of the people and judging by your late, weak statement of yours, you are freely and willfully ready to give your support to that kind of reckless BULL 💩.
The phrase “stricter gun laws” is meaningless Ron. In 2013 the weakest of the proposed new laws, Manchin-Toomey, had only 54% support of Americans.
Wednesday, March 7th 2018 at 4:52AM
Steve Williams
"Manchin-Toomey, had only 54% support of Americans." Steve, In the part of country I live in TEACHES by law that 54% is the majority of the people.
Then all you need to do is change the Senate rule that require 60%.
Wednesday, March 7th 2018 at 9:20AM
Steve Williams
That cuts both ways of course. And then you need to get it passed in the House. Until I see that happen, I’ll stand by my original statement.
Wednesday, March 7th 2018 at 9:22AM
Steve Williams
The other thing about these opinion polls is that many Americans are ignorant of the issues. For example Ron, you still don’t understand why the Manchin-Toomey bill is unconstitutional.
Wednesday, March 7th 2018 at 9:38AM
Steve Williams
Hey Steve, Why don't you start your blog, with "understand why the Manchin-Toomey bill is unconstitutional."
NOT HERE...
Now back to the power of 60% and that last chart, which is found in point 5 of Most Americans Want More Gun Control. Why Doesn’t It Happen?
Now, Steve, where you live, are your public and private school's teaching you and your children that having $.60 is worth more then having $.50?
I gave an answer to “why doesn’t it happen?” Your explanation Ron is that representative government in America is a bust.
Wednesday, March 7th 2018 at 10:16AM
Steve Williams
While Democratic leaders don't have as much control over action on the House and Senate floor, they will also be important factors in just how unified their party will be on the issue. It's true that the loudest pro-gun control voices are Democrats, but that doesn't mean all members of the party in Congress want to address it. Some are from states or districts that Trump won easily and where gun control is not so popular.
Even when Democrats were in control of Congress and the White House in 2009 and 2010, they didn't make gun control a priority. Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Florida, admitted Wednesday night in the CNN town hall that was a mistake: "Gun legislation under those circumstances should have been considered because there'd been a lot of massacres up to that point."
While the NRA donates some money directly to candidates and campaign committees, it spends the vast majority of its money on lobbying and outside expenditures, like supporting or opposing candidates through powerful ads. For example, in the 2016 election cycle, it gave nearly $1.1 million directly to congressional candidates and party committees, but spent $54.4 million on outside spending. It also wields influence with its report card system. The NRA grades candidates on a scale of "A" -- "F", with an "A" candidate being someone who's made "a vigorous effort to promote and defend the Second Amendment," while an "F" candidate is a "true enemy of gun owners' rights." Depending on their politics, candidates often tout their rating from the NRA on the campaign trail. Some are happy to announce their endorsement from the NRA, while more liberal candidates freely tout their "F" rating. Regardless, the NRA makes sure that its enormous membership knows where candidates stand on gun rights.
Wednesday, March 7th 2018 at 10:50AM
Steve Williams
Further complicating the first three obstacles is the fact that the entire House of Representatives and a third of the Senate is up for re-election this year, making any major legislative issue -- let alone a divisive one like gun control -- difficult. Incumbents who face tough primary battles tend to retreat to their respective sides rather than engage in compromise. And those looking at a close race in the November general election will have a tough time casting risky votes. Take, for instance, the immigration battle in the Senate that erupted earlier this month. Negotiators had been working for months on compromise legislation that would address the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, which technically expires in March. Despite two government shutdowns and fierce lobbying by immigration activists, the Senate couldn't reach the 60 votes needed to pass a compromise bill. Nor could they get close on three other proposals. Republicans, who control Congress, are eager to move on to safer bets like infrastructure so they can pass something to add to their records on the campaign trail.
Wednesday, March 7th 2018 at 10:53AM
Steve Williams
I support the Fix NICS bill, the Reciprocal Carry bill, and the Hearing Protection Act. If Congress acts to put bump stocks under NFA I support that.
Wednesday, March 7th 2018 at 6:39PM
Steve Williams
