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Thursday, April 25th 2019 at 7:57AM
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We begin with the President of United States announcing his opposition to lawful subpoenas from congress.

WHY is he doing that? Do Trump actually think that he is above the LAW?

or

Do he thinks, that if he fights the subpoenas and takes is to The Supreme Court that the judges that Trump put there will safe him?

Interesting...


Thursday, April 25th 2019 at 10:59AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
It means Trump will be judged by the American people in 2020, and no one else.

Thursday, April 25th 2019 at 11:53AM
Steve Williams
Trump's side of the argument is looking really bad now, just from the unredacted parts of the Mueller report and he is running about like a guilty man, running around, telling all kinds of LIES. Now, with that information that's already out there the people will finally see what Trump is all about and he won't be running for dog catcher in 2020.

Did you see that report Steve?

The conclusion that congress may apply the obstruction law to The President's corrupt exercise of the powers of office in accordance with our constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no person is above the LAW.

Steve, do you think that our system of checks and balances and the principles applies to Trump? If not, please explain.


Thursday, April 25th 2019 at 2:17PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Ron, I'm waiting for you to impeach Trump. Why are you dragging your feet?

Thursday, April 25th 2019 at 3:45PM
Steve Williams
My question to you was: Did you see that report Steve?

The conclusion that congress may apply the obstruction law to The President's corrupt exercise of the powers of office in accordance with our constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no person is above the LAW.

Steve, do you think that our system of checks and balances and the principles applies to Trump? If not, please explain, in your very next reply, can you do that Steve?



Thursday, April 25th 2019 at 4:20PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Relax Ron, I saw your report. Your so-called "system of checks and balances" is a myth.

Thursday, April 25th 2019 at 5:18PM
Steve Williams
I asked you about your throughs Steve, do you think that our system of checks and balances and the principles applies to Trump?

If not, please explain, in your very next reply, can you do that Steve?

Their is a two question that I asked you.


Thursday, April 25th 2019 at 6:03PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
I don't acknowledge a system of checks and balances. A system of checks and balances is not what our federal government is about.

Thursday, April 25th 2019 at 7:18PM
Steve Williams
It's another one of those dumb lies they taught you in grade school, like "constitutional republic".

Thursday, April 25th 2019 at 7:20PM
Steve Williams
Steve, I didn’t ask you whether you acknowledge A system of checks and balances but that is the way our government has been set up. Now Steve, do you think that our system of checks and balances and the principles applies to Trump as well?



Thursday, April 25th 2019 at 8:45PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
We have 3 branches of government Ron, not a system of checks and balances. The three branches of government apply to President Trump, yes.

Thursday, April 25th 2019 at 10:10PM
Steve Williams
"This ability of each branch to respond to the actions of the other branches is called the system of checks and balances."

Called by whom Ron? Not I. I would NEVER call our government a system of checks and balances.

Thursday, April 25th 2019 at 11:52PM
Steve Williams
Your mistaken, ignorant, doctrine, of checks and balances is why our government is a wreck Ron.

Thursday, April 25th 2019 at 11:59PM
Steve Williams
Did you finish reading that Government website link yet Steve?




Friday, April 26th 2019 at 9:35PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
I read it the rirst time you posted it Ron. They are wrong and I am right.

Friday, April 26th 2019 at 11:39PM
Steve Williams
Then post your proof!!! That you are RIGHT, can you do that on your next reply.?


Saturday, April 27th 2019 at 9:35AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
My proof is that the founders did not describe their government as a system of checks and balances. If I'm wong then show me in the Constitution or the founders writings where they describe their government as a system of checks and abalances.

Saturday, April 27th 2019 at 11:15AM
Steve Williams
You are really acting like a person, who is blind now. This request of yours is far, far to easy.

Let me point this out for YOU Steve.

Checks and balances is a system for making sure that one department does not exceed its bounds, or for guarding against fraud and errors. In the U.S. government, the system of checks and balances is set to be a sentry over the separation of powers, balancing the separate branches of government. In a system of checks and balances, the authority to take an action, or make a decision, rests with one department, while the responsibility to verify the decision or action rests with another. To explore this concept, consider the following checks and balances definition.

Let us take a look at this term checks and balances for your enlightenment Steve.

Definition of Checks and Balances

Noun

A system in which various divisions of an organization have powers that affect or control other divisions, so that no division becomes too powerful, or to minimize error.

Limits placed on all branches of government by giving each branch a right to void or amend the actions of another branch.

Steve, we have learned about this question that you asked in 8th grade in this country and as old as I am, I still remember this answer.

Checks and Balances in Government
The Founding Fathers had a great interest in preventing tyranny from gaining a foothold in the new nation. To that end, the first three articles of the Constitution created three separate branches of government, vesting certain specific powers with each. Dividing authority between each of these branches, Executive, Legislative, and Judicial, was their way of balancing the power of the federal government, preventing any one division from gaining too much power over the people. In addition to division of powers, each branch of government is given power to check up on, and even veto or disapprove decisions or actions of, another branch of government.

You asked me the show you n the Constitution or the founders writings where they describe their government as a system of checks and balances. Steve, I want to direct you to The FIRST three articles of the Constitution.

MY PROOF:

Checks and Balances in Government

The Founding Fathers had a great interest in preventing tyranny from gaining a foothold in the new nation. To that end, the first three articles of the Constitution created three separate branches of government, vesting certain specific powers with each. Dividing authority between each of these branches, Executive, Legislative, and Judicial, was their way of balancing the power of the federal government, preventing any one division from gaining too much power over the people. In addition to division of powers, each branch of government is given power to check up on, and even veto or disapprove decisions or actions of, another branch of government.


Saturday, April 27th 2019 at 11:57AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Keep trying Ron. Where did the founders write about checks and balances? The answer is easy.

Saturday, April 27th 2019 at 5:01PM
Steve Williams
Now Steve, you know damn well that you are running from this subject. You also know for a FACT that my link I put before you, is to, today’s U.S. Government website. You can see the truth in front of you and you refuse to see it.

Now did you understand my reply?

MY PROOF:

Checks and Balances in Government

The Founding Fathers had a great interest in preventing tyranny from gaining a foothold in the new nation. To that end, the first three articles of the Constitution created three separate branches of government, vesting certain specific powers with each. Dividing authority between each of these branches, Executive, Legislative, and Judicial, was their way of balancing the power of the federal government, preventing any one division from gaining too much power over the people. In addition to division of powers, each branch of government is given power to check up on, and even veto or disapprove decisions or actions of, another branch of government.

Saturday, April 27th 2019 at 8:39PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Do you really think our government is "balanced" Ron? Let's see what Hamilton and Madison think.

Saturday, April 27th 2019 at 9:29PM
Steve Williams
Did you understand my answer Steve?


Saturday, April 27th 2019 at 10:39PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
When you refer me to "today’s U.S. Government website", which branch operates this website Ron?

Saturday, April 27th 2019 at 11:35PM
Steve Williams
Did you understand my answer Steve?

If you been to the website, look around and you will find that answer Steve.


Sunday, April 28th 2019 at 8:36AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
It doesn't say Ron. All it says is :

The .gov means it’s official.
Federal government websites often end in .gov or .mil. Before sharing sensitive information, make sure you're on a federal government site.

WHICH BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT RUNS THIS WEBSITE RON???

Sunday, April 28th 2019 at 9:03AM
Steve Williams
Steve, did you read about the three Branches of government and understand their purpose?


Sunday, April 28th 2019 at 9:31PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
It's run by the Executive branch Ron. Have you read Federalist No. 51 yet?

Sunday, April 28th 2019 at 9:42PM
Steve Williams
Checks and Balances in Government

The Founding Fathers had a great interest in preventing tyranny from gaining a foothold in the new nation. To that end, the first three articles of the Constitution created three separate branches of government, vesting certain specific powers with each. Dividing authority between each of these branches, Executive, Legislative, and Judicial, was their way of balancing the power of the federal government, preventing any one division from gaining too much power over the people. In addition to division of powers, each branch of government is given power to check up on, and even veto or disapprove decisions or actions of, another branch of government.

I undersatnd perfectly what's being said here. It's wrong and misleading Ron and you should understand why.

Sunday, April 28th 2019 at 9:55PM
Steve Williams
Did you understand these words Steve?

Checks and Balances in Government

The Founding Fathers had a great interest in preventing tyranny from gaining a foothold in the new nation. To that end, the first three articles of the Constitution created three separate branches of government, vesting certain specific powers with each. Dividing authority between each of these branches, Executive, Legislative, and Judicial, was their way of balancing the power of the federal government, preventing any one division from gaining too much power over the people. In addition to division of powers, each branch of government is given power to check up on, and even veto or disapprove decisions or actions of, another branch of government.

Sunday, April 28th 2019 at 9:57PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
What's wrong with you Ron? My answer was clear.

Monday, April 29th 2019 at 12:19AM
Steve Williams
YOUR WORDS: I undersatnd perfectly what's being said here. It's wrong and misleading Ron and you should understand why.

Why is that paragraph is WRONG Steve?




Monday, April 29th 2019 at 8:02AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
The Structure of the Government Must Furnish the Proper Checks and Balances Between the Different Departments
From the New York Packet.
Friday, February 8, 1788.
Author: Alexander Hamilton or James Madison

Federalist No. 51 talks about countering political ambition. In 2019, political ambition is unrestrained, BECAUSE of the nonsense you've posted above. Read and comprehend Federalist No. 51 Ron.

Monday, April 29th 2019 at 8:54AM
Steve Williams
You have not told us your reason why that paragraph is WRONG or misleading YET, Steve?


Monday, April 29th 2019 at 10:11AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Let's take this mistaken thought:

"Dividing authority between each of these branches, Executive, Legislative, and Judicial, was their way of balancing the power of the federal government, preventing any one division from gaining too much power over the people."

This thought is not present in our founders' words. Show me where this thought is expressed in Federalist No. 51 Ron.

Monday, April 29th 2019 at 10:17AM
Steve Williams
I see that you made no effort to go to The U.S. Constitution to read Constitutional Checks and Balances found in, Articles 1, 2, and 3 now have you?

Steve, The American constitutional system includes a notion known as the Separation of Powers. In this system, several branches of government are created and power is shared between them. At the same time, the powers of one branch can be challenged by another branch. This is what the system of checks and balances is all about.

Now what I have proved to you is from the LAWS of The Constitution that govern this country, Steve. I also know that the Federalist papers was the blue print for The U.S. Constitution and made way for the finished document of LAWS that we Americans are govern under to this very day.

So, let us direct our attention back to The LAW of the land, The U.S. Constitution and don't get sidetracked no where else, understood?




Monday, April 29th 2019 at 11:24AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
TO WHAT expedient, then, shall we finally resort, for maintaining in practice the necessary partition of power among the several departments, as laid down in the Constitution? The only answer that can be given is, that as all these exterior provisions are found to be inadequate, the defect must be supplied, by so contriving the interior structure of the government as that its several constituent parts may, by their mutual relations, be the means of keeping each other in their proper places. Without presuming to undertake a full development of this important idea, I will hazard a few general observations, which may perhaps place it in a clearer light, and enable us to form a more correct judgment of the principles and structure of the government planned by the convention. In order to lay a due foundation for that separate and distinct exercise of the different powers of government, which to a certain extent is admitted on all hands to be essential to the preservation of liberty, it is evident that each department should have a will of its own; and consequently should be so constituted that the members of each should have as little agency as possible in the appointment of the members of the others.

Ron, do you understand how this applies to Comey? Your side has violated, persists in violating this most important principle of our government. If you believe in check and balances then ACT ACCORDINGLY.

Monday, April 29th 2019 at 3:45PM
Steve Williams
Sorry Steve, but Comey is not the issue here but The U.S. Constitution, Constitutional Checks and Balances found in, Articles 1, 2, and 3 that you have not read is.

Let me point this out for YOU again Steve.

Checks and balances is a system for making sure that one department does not exceed its bounds, or for guarding against fraud and errors. In the U.S. government, the system of checks and balances is set to be a sentry over the separation of powers, balancing the separate branches of government. In a system of checks and balances, the authority to take an action, or make a decision, rests with one department, while the responsibility to verify the decision or action rests with another. To explore this concept, consider the following checks and balances definition.

Let us take a look at this term checks and balances for your enlightenment Steve.

Definition of Checks and Balances

Noun

A system in which various divisions of an organization have powers that affect or control other divisions, so that no division becomes too powerful, or to minimize error.

Limits placed on all branches of government by giving each branch a right to void or amend the actions of another branch.

Steve, we have learned about this question that you asked in 8th grade in this country and as old as I am, I still remember this answer.
Tuesday, April 30th 2019 at 2:01PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
So you're a good drone since 8th grade at the latest. Good for you Ron. Why don't you care what the founders wrote about checks and balances, since they were the authors of the concept?

Tuesday, April 30th 2019 at 7:49PM
Steve Williams
I 'am interested in the finished concept witch is The U.S. Constitution, the law of this land.

Now, it their anything wrong with that?


Tuesday, April 30th 2019 at 10:27PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
That's up to you Ron.

Tuesday, April 30th 2019 at 11:01PM
Steve Williams
Now, it their anything wrong with following the LAW?




Wednesday, May 1st 2019 at 7:59AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Following the law is fine but it's not the point. You need to understand checks and balances but you don't Ron. Look around in 2019 and point out where are the checks and BALANCES.

Wednesday, May 1st 2019 at 9:34AM
Steve Williams
Now that is the RUB, now isn't it!!! The Republicans have power in the Senate, Judicial—Evaluates laws (Supreme Court and other courts) and the Executive—Carries out laws (president, vice president, Cabinet, most federal agencies) Where are those voices?


Wednesday, May 1st 2019 at 10:17AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
So what is the check when the Article One power abuses its power Ron?

Wednesday, May 1st 2019 at 10:43PM
Steve Williams
It is the other two breaches Steve, give it time, we are still in the first stages of Discovery.


Thursday, May 2nd 2019 at 11:56AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
James Madison correctly noted that the Executive branch is the weakest and must be protected.
Thursday, May 2nd 2019 at 8:40PM
Steve Williams
You can see what’s happening with the executive branch of the government, now don’t you????


Friday, May 3rd 2019 at 9:29AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
I see the executive branch is getting a whole lot done in spite of the legislature abusing its power. But they have not been able to obstruct the lowest unemployment since 1969. Think about that Ron.

Friday, May 3rd 2019 at 10:29PM
Steve Williams
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