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The statue should not have been taken down.
Sunday, April 28th 2019 at 4:21PM
Steve Williams
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Because of its historical value Ron.
Sunday, April 28th 2019 at 8:50PM
Steve Williams
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A very shameful period in historical value it was.
Sunday, April 28th 2019 at 9:19PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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There's nothing shameful about seceding from the Union, nothing unconstitutional.
Sunday, April 28th 2019 at 9:22PM
Steve Williams
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Fighting To keep the Slave Trade going in this country was A very very shameful period in U.S. historical value in this Country.
Steve, would you support The policy of slavery?
Sunday, April 28th 2019 at 10:07PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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The slave trade was over by the time of the Civil War. No Ron, I don't support slavery. You must be kidding.
Monday, April 29th 2019 at 12:31AM
Steve Williams
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Steve, Slavery was practiced throughout the American colonies in the 17th and 18th centuries, and African slaves helped build the new nation into an economic powerhouse through the production of lucrative crops such as tobacco and cotton. By the mid-19th century, America’s westward expansion and the abolition movement provoked a great debate over slavery that would tear the nation apart in the bloody Civil War. Though the Union victory freed the nation’s four million slaves, the legacy of slavery continued to influence American history, from the Reconstruction era to the civil rights movement that emerged a century after emancipation.
Steve, here are a few reasons why the Civil War was fought. For nearly a century, the people and politicians of the Northern and Southern states had been clashing over the issues that finally led to war: economic interests, cultural values, the power of the federal government to control the states, and, most importantly, slavery in American society.
NO I 'am not kidding you at all Steve, Robert E Lee was trained by and graduated from the United States Military Academy and an exceptional officer and military engineer in the United States Army for 32 years. Some people considers Robert E Lee a trader to The United States of America.
Robert E Lee traded to fight against the very same people who trained him, to fight to keep Slavery alive until his defeat. Lee surrendered his entire army to Ulysses S. Grant at Appomattox Court House on April 9, 1865.
Now Steve, what was this BULL💩 you was saying about the Slavery being over by the time of the Civil War?
Steve, do you support Robert E. Lee for what he did to support The policy of slavery?
Monday, April 29th 2019 at 9:25AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Ron, I support Robert E. Lee for his secession from the Union, not for his practice of slavery.
Monday, April 29th 2019 at 4:51PM
Steve Williams
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That man fault and leading a war against the people of the United States of America as General, where men died in a war to keep Owning slaves as a way of life.
Just think, for a moment if Robert E Lee had won, Against United States, what do you think would happen?
Monday, April 29th 2019 at 8:14PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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All the South wanted was to withdraw from the Union. The United States made war on the Confederacy, not vice versa.
Monday, April 29th 2019 at 8:54PM
Steve Williams
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Why did you think that the South wanted was to withdraw from the Union, Steve?
Monday, April 29th 2019 at 9:23PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Because the North wanted to reap the benefit of the agricultural South and tell them how to do it at the same time. Is there some moral imperative expressed in the Constitution to prevent a Etate from leaving the union Ron? There is not. Just like 2019 you don't care at all about Constitutionality.
Tuesday, April 30th 2019 at 1:46AM
Steve Williams
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Steve, The south wanted to leave the Union because they wanted to become an independent nation. They believed that if they had an independent nation, they would be able to keep their traditions and ways of life, including the institution of slavery.
Tuesday, April 30th 2019 at 8:05AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Slavery would soon have ended regardless, without the loss of 620,000 lives.
Tuesday, April 30th 2019 at 9:25AM
Steve Williams
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That is BULL💩 and you know that for a FACT. Just look at The Jim Crow Laws Steve.
Jim Crow laws were state and local laws enforcing racial segregation in the Southern United States. Enacted after the Reconstruction period, these laws continued in force until 1965. They mandated de jure racial segregation in all public facilities in states of the former Confederate States of America, starting in 1890 with a "separate but equal" status for African Americans.
There’s an odious Supreme Court case from 1971, Palmer v. Thompson, that most people don’t remember and that most who do remember wish they could forget. It’s a relic of a bygone era—one of the last pieces of the Jim Crow system that the Supreme Court ever sustained.
On our current Supreme Court, Palmer v. Thompson looks to be having a moment. Its reasoning stealthily drove last year’s decision in Trump v. Hawaii, in which the court’s five-justice conservative majority upheld the travel restrictions that the president had planned during the campaign to be a “Muslim ban.” And this week’s oral arguments in the census case suggest that four of the conservative justices who upheld that pretextual ban—and the fifth conservative who replaced Anthony Kennedy—are poised to use the reasoning of both Palmer and that travel ban decision to endorse the administration’s tactic of forcing people to reveal their citizenship status if they simply want to be counted as present in the country.
How could a late-stage Jim Crow decision be wreaking such havoc in the 21st century?
Palmer v. Thompson was about a particular racist notion that surfaced in white people in the American South at the idea of being in the water with black people. As late as 1963, the city of Jackson, Mississippi, ran five public pools, all of them for whites only. A lawsuit led a federal judge to declare that black people had the constitutional right to unsegregated use of the city’s pools. Jackson’s political leaders responded not by integrating the pools but by closing them.
It was a devilish move that packaged Jackson’s racism in neutral wrapping paper. Closing the pools wasn’t racist, the city argued; it applied equally to everyone. Nobody—black or white—would any longer be able to beat the heat of a Mississippi summer in a Jackson municipal swimming pool.
Slavery has taken another form and it is called JIM CROW and it is alive and growing under the Trump Administration.
Now Steve, where are the good people in the 'fine people' on the side of the Nazis?
Tuesday, April 30th 2019 at 12:00PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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To answer your question Ron, the good people weren't on the side of your imaginary "Nazis".
Tuesday, April 30th 2019 at 3:38PM
Steve Williams
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The Nazis were destroyed in 1945 Ron, completely wiped out.
Tuesday, April 30th 2019 at 4:21PM
Steve Williams
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The people you saw in 2017 were copycatsz They're not in the same class as Nazis just because they repeat Nazi slogans. The real Nazis committed unspeakable crimes, these people now you call Nazis are nothing but talk.
Tuesday, April 30th 2019 at 7:21PM
Steve Williams
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Steve, you say these people now you call Nazis are nothing but talk. What would you have them to do to convince you to believe they are real?
I know, you sitting in a Church or Synagogue when one of these New Nazi's come through, that should convince that thought of authenticity.
Tuesday, April 30th 2019 at 7:48PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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In 2019 these are just ordinary domestic terrorists. Like the one driving the car that killed Heather Heyer. Domestic terrorist Ron, not Nazi.
Wednesday, May 1st 2019 at 1:05AM
Steve Williams
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Nazi's is what they call themselves, why don't you believe them? You call yourself Steve and you want people to believe you, don't you?
Wednesday, May 1st 2019 at 8:17AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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If I called myself an Army Ranger it wouldn't make ot so.
Wednesday, May 1st 2019 at 9:02AM
Steve Williams
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Why are you stooping so, so low, to start making excurse for these White Supremacy Groups, Steve?
Wednesday, May 1st 2019 at 10:23AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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I'm not talking about White Supremacists and neither is Trump. There were people there who wanted the statue to remain. Nobody took their picture doesn't mean they weren't there.
Wednesday, May 1st 2019 at 5:48PM
Steve Williams
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I made a miss spell and maybe, you did not understand the question. I misspelled the word EXCUSES.
Why are you stooping so, so low, to start making EXCUSES for these White Supremacy Groups, Steve?
Wednesday, May 1st 2019 at 7:03PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Ron, you saying that since I think the statue should stay and I support those who were there for the same reason, that that is "stooping so, so low, to start making EXCUSES for these White Supremacy Groups"?
Wednesday, May 1st 2019 at 8:47PM
Steve Williams
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It was you who called them imaginary Nazis, was it not?
Wednesday, May 1st 2019 at 8:54PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Have some respect for the Americans who faced the real Nazis and died for it.
Wednesday, May 1st 2019 at 10:18PM
Steve Williams
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You damn well that is "NOT" what this blog is about slick and you know that for a FACT.
Steve, quick question: How many 'fine people' do you see marching with Nazis singing "Jews will not replace us?"
Thursday, May 2nd 2019 at 7:34AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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I didn't see anyone marching with any Nazis. The people I saw marching sounded misled.
Thursday, May 2nd 2019 at 11:01PM
Steve Williams
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The people you saw call themselves Nazis. How many 'fine people' do you see marching with Nazis singing "Jews will not replace us?"
Friday, May 3rd 2019 at 8:11AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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They're not Nazis Ron. They may call themselves Nazis but all they are are wannabe Nazis. The Nazis are 75 years gone.
Friday, May 3rd 2019 at 10:41PM
Steve Williams
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But the ideology had been reborn and gaining strength in numbers because of new leadership in Washington D.C.
How many 'fine people' do you see marching with these Nazis singing "Jews will not replace us?"
Friday, May 3rd 2019 at 10:51PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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The ideology of these wannabe Nazis is not the ideology of the real Nazis of 75 years ago.
Saturday, May 4th 2019 at 9:53AM
Steve Williams
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Behind this false mask of Nazism, these people are nothing but racists. They're just like you Ron.
Saturday, May 4th 2019 at 9:54AM
Steve Williams
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Now Steve, you say that these people are nothing but racists then, now I ask you this question:
How many 'fine people' do you see marching with these Nazis singing "Jews will not replace us?"
How many do you see Steve?
Saturday, May 4th 2019 at 10:05AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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The media didn't show the fine people. The media has zero interest in fine people. You Ron have no interest in fine people.
Saturday, May 4th 2019 at 10:48AM
Steve Williams
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YOUR WORDS: The media didn't show the fine people. THAT IS A LIE
Among the Nazis that you see in this report Steve, How many 'fine people' do you see marching with these Nazis shouting "Jews will not replace us?"
How many do you see Steve?
Saturday, May 4th 2019 at 11:44AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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The media didn't show the fine people is the truth Ron. Given a choice between racists and non racists, the racist media and you gravitate to your own kind.
Saturday, May 4th 2019 at 11:58AM
Steve Williams
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You and the racist marchers are just two sides of the same coin Ron. I can't put it any simpler than that.
Saturday, May 4th 2019 at 12:00PM
Steve Williams
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So, you are saying that the Nazis that you do see in this report aren't fine people'?
Saturday, May 4th 2019 at 7:58PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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No Ron, none of the people I saw on the Vice News special Charlottesville: Race and Terror" were fine people.
Saturday, May 4th 2019 at 11:31PM
Steve Williams
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I agree, none of those so-called Nazis that I saw marching and shouting "Jews will not replace us with torches in their hands was fine people. That was just another one of Trump's LIES to The American People.
Sunday, May 5th 2019 at 9:53AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Ron, Trump wasn't referring to those so-called Nazis.
Sunday, May 5th 2019 at 10:44AM
Steve Williams
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Did he not say that there was fine people on both sides?
Sunday, May 5th 2019 at 5:47PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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That's right Ron. Now tell us what Trump meant by "both sides". BOTH SIDES OF WHAT RON???
Sunday, May 5th 2019 at 10:32PM
Steve Williams
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I have no clue!!! Steve, do you know of any FINE NAZIS?
Sunday, May 5th 2019 at 11:03PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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I don't know of any fine Nazis Ron, but I do know what President Trump meant by "both sides". Obviously it means both sides of the issue of removing or keeping the statue of Robert E. Lee.
Monday, May 6th 2019 at 12:31AM
Steve Williams
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Steve, you don’t have to LIE like that Steve. Quick question: What was that rally billed as?
Monday, May 6th 2019 at 11:21AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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I'm not talking about the rally Ron but the name was Unite the Right. Are you watching the Judiciary Committee hearing on Hate Crimes and White Nationalism? One of the witnesses representing a Jewish organization just said the same thing as I. Is he a liar too?
Monday, May 6th 2019 at 1:46PM
Steve Williams
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Start a blog on that subject Steve. This blog is about Unite the Right and those White Nationalist who took advantage of Robert E. Lee's statue being relocated.
Steve, did you know that, Robert E. Lee was a Confederate general during the Civil War and was the general who surrendered to Union General Ulysses S. Grant at Appomattox in 1865. Lee lived until 1870, dying at age 63. Statues of Lee were erected throughout the South and the movement to remove them was sparked by the 2015 killings of nine black churchgoers in Charleston, South Carolina by a white supremacist.
Let us get to the cause of why the movement to remove Robert E. Lee Statues in the first place, it was his deep -hearted believe on slavery and this believe in racial superiority.
Do you support the killers in the 2015 killings of nine black churchgoers in Charleston, South Carolina by a white supremacist?
Monday, May 6th 2019 at 2:42PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Killer Ron, singular. Of course not and look what happened by making an issue of a statue. TEN DEAD. Good job.
Monday, May 6th 2019 at 3:27PM
Steve Williams
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You can bless those White Nationalism for those deaths, Steve. It is amazing that you don't contribute this event to hate and racism, I am sure you remember this event: Man charged with murder after driving into anti-far-right protesters in Charlottesville.
A man has been arrested and charged with murder after a car rammed into a group of people peacefully protesting against a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, killing one person and injuring 19 and you think that was a good job. WOW!!!
Monday, May 6th 2019 at 3:38PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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It's called sarcasm Ron and it refers to you not them. These statues memorialize a pivotal point in U.S. history. A psycho like Dylann Roof doesn't need a statue for inspiration, why do you Ron?
Monday, May 6th 2019 at 3:58PM
Steve Williams
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The question Should go back to these Nazi doing the shouting because it was them who misused the removal The statues to promote White mans fears.
Do you support the killer in the 2015 killing of nine black churchgoers in Charleston, South Carolina by a white supremacist?
Monday, May 6th 2019 at 5:02PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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My answer was "of course not", pay attention. Ron, look for my new blog.
Monday, May 6th 2019 at 6:12PM
Steve Williams
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Then why do you make excuses for those nazi THUGS? Because they care less about the nine black churchgoers in Charleston, South Carolina murdered by a white supremacist.
That meaning was lost in the comment of Trump’s “ they’re are fine people on both sides.” Steve, you have been GASLIGHTED by Trump himself WOW!!!!
Monday, May 6th 2019 at 11:21PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Have you seen the movie yet Ron?
Tuesday, May 7th 2019 at 12:21AM
Steve Williams
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Those 9 churchgoes were murdered on President Obama's watch. Why don't you blame him Ron? Why didn't he do anything about these pesky "White Nationalists"?
Tuesday, May 7th 2019 at 12:31AM
Steve Williams
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