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Friday, May 17th 2019 at 1:31PM
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I wish Eugene would just spit it out. I've never heard a more annoying commentator. And he's an idiot to boot.

Friday, May 17th 2019 at 3:12PM
Steve Williams
Some in the Republican Party are saying Alabama's new abortion bill goes too far. The Morning Joe panel discusses.


Friday, May 17th 2019 at 3:55PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
House GOP leader says Alabama abortion law goes too far.


Friday, May 17th 2019 at 4:23PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
It's not about the Republican Party Ron. It's about the great state of Alabama.

Friday, May 17th 2019 at 4:44PM
Steve Williams

This Alabama Law in question sole purpose, is just another attempt of The Republican Party after 50 years of trying to overthrow ROE V. WADE.

So far, this is all you got? Republicans, let's run on this issue, OK!




Friday, May 17th 2019 at 6:04PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Roe v. Wade is in no danger, but bhopefully late-term abortion, such as New York sanctions, is. Ron, when does Roe v. Wade say life begins?

Friday, May 17th 2019 at 6:38PM
Steve Williams
Steve, that is a good question, a very good question, let me answer your question this way:

The Supreme Court voted 7-2 in favour of the right to an abortion.

It said women had a right to privacy, which meant it was up to her to decide whether to continue her pregnancy.

It also divided a pregnancy into three trimesters, declaring that the first three months are solely at the discretion of the woman.

In the second trimester the states can regulate abortions in the interests of the woman's health.

In the last three months states can prohibit abortions in the interest of the fetus, provided the pregnancy will not bring harm to the pregnant woman.

Steve, Roe v. Wade affirmed that access to a safe and legal abortion is a constitutional right in what became the 14th amendment.

In other words, Roe V Wade dose not answer that question of when Life begains.

Now as I do more research on this subject I find the argument:

Roe v. Wade

The modern day assault on Human Embryology began in 1973 in the oral arguments of Roe v. Wade, and in the majority opinion written by Justice Harry Blackmun4. He wrote: "We need not resolve the difficult question of when life begins". He referred to the "disciplines of medicine, philosophy and theology" as being "unable to arrive at any consensus". It appeared he was talking about biological life by inferring that "medicine" could define its beginning. But, then, Blackmun said the following: "There has always been strong support for the view that life does not begin until live birth. This was the belief of the Stoics." This was as if to say that science had not progressed since 300 B.C.

Clearly, Blackmun conflated biological life with philosophical life, even though biological life, per se was never referenced in his decision.

During oral arguments, in the second hearing before the Supreme Court, Robert Flowers, arguing for appellants, clearly stated the position of the State of Texas: "Human life begins at conception and is present throughout pregnancy." However, Justice Blackmun then asked Flowers if that was "a medical question"? Flowers then compromised his position by legitimizing Blackmun's restating Flowers' statement as a question, and said it (referring to the now accepted question when it was not a question at all) should be decided by "a legislative decision". In one fell swoop Flowers destroyed the scientific base of his testimony.

Then, Justice Marshall said: "I want you to give me a medical, a recognizable medical writing of any kind that says that at the time of conception the fetus is a person." Flowers responded: "I do not believe I could give that to you without researching through the briefs that have been filed in this case, your honor."

Clearly, Robert Flowers was not prepared to argue the biological life of the new individual human being, or to force the Justices to be consistent and cogent with their questions and/or statements.

In this case, was the behavior of the Supreme Court Justices disingenuous, intellectually dishonest or just plain ignorant? Asking a question like this seems to apply a label of opprobrium; but, if so, it is richly deserved because the facts of science were readily available to the Justices who are staffed with an army of law clerks and assistants who could easily have obtained the vital scientific facts.

I hope that this bit of information shed some light on this subject, for you, for your greater understanding.

Friday, May 17th 2019 at 7:34PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
What makes this premise true Ron?

"We need not resolve the difficult question of when life begins."

Why are you afraid to admit that abortion is the taking of a life? Do you think that taking a life is a reason not to have an abortion?

Friday, May 17th 2019 at 9:42PM
Steve Williams
What makes this premise true Ron? The 14 Amendment of The Constitution of The United States of America.

Why are you afraid to admit that abortion is the taking of a life? That is not my call and that is the right of a women, that is her choice.

Do you think that taking a life is a reason not to have an abortion? I don't understand your question.



Friday, May 17th 2019 at 10:01PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Why is it wrong to take the life of an unborn person Ron?

Friday, May 17th 2019 at 10:20PM
Steve Williams
Not accounting to The 14 Amendment of The Constitution of The United States of America.

Your respect the 2nd Amendment of The Constitution of The United States of America, that gives you the right the KILL someone who has been alive for years. Now you can't respect the rights of the mother to made that choice in The 14th Amendment of that very same LAW, now I find that, very interesting.




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