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Rachel Maddow shares reporting from Politico of Republicans in Michigan and Arizona creating fake elector letters pretending to certify Donald Trump and Mike Pence the winners of their states even though Joe Biden and Kamala Harris won them both, with the Michigan letter markedly similar to a previously reported forged Wisconsin letter.
Tuesday, January 11th 2022 at 1:53PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Ron, what law defines ""real electors" and "fake electors?"
Tuesday, January 11th 2022 at 2:03PM
Steve Williams
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What State Law Ron!?
Tuesday, January 11th 2022 at 3:28PM
Steve Williams
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In each state featured in the Video material at the top of this blog Steve. Did you watch this video material? Once you review this material you will see the answer to that question of yours, OK!
Tuesday, January 11th 2022 at 4:25PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Does this sound Constitutional to you Ron?
168.42 Presidential electors; selection at state political party conventions, certification.
Sec. 42. In the year in which presidential electors are to be elected under section 43, each political party in this state shall choose at its fall state convention a number of candidates for electors of president and vice-president of the United States equal to the number of senators and representatives in congress that this state is entitled to elect. The chairperson and the secretary of the state central committee of each political party shall, within 1 business day after the conclusion of the state convention, forward by registered or certified mail a certificate containing the names of the candidates for electors to the secretary of state. The candidates for electors of president and vice-president who shall be considered elected are those whose names have been certified to the secretary of state by that political party receiving the greatest number of votes for those offices at the next November election.
History: 1954, Act 116, Eff. June 1, 1955;Am. 1955, Act 271, Imd. Eff. June 30, 1955;Am. 1956, Act 190, Imd. Eff. Apr. 26, 1956;Am. 1999, Act 216, Imd. Eff. Dec. 28, 1999.
Popular name: Election Code
Tuesday, January 11th 2022 at 4:32PM
Steve Williams
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You mean to tell me that you are running away this simple question: "In each state featured in the Video material at the top of this blog Steve. Did you watch this video material? Once you review this material you will see the answer to that question of yours, OK!?
Oh!!! by the way, Steve, that clip that you posted came right out of Michigan Law and NOT The Constitution of The United States of America.
History: 1954, Act 116, Eff. June 1, 1955;Am. 1955, Act 271, Imd. Eff. June 30, 1955;Am. 1956, Act 190, Imd. Eff. Apr. 26, 1956;Am. 1999, Act 216, Imd. Eff. Dec. 28, 1999. https://www.bing.com/search?PC=U523&q=Hist...
Popular name: Election Code
Tuesday, January 11th 2022 at 4:50PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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I know that Ron. Now show me what the Constitution says.
Rachel is TRIVIAL. Her show is TRIVIAL. Stop trivializing this very important question. What makes you think it's a good thing that the Electors are controlled by the Democrat Party and the Republican Party? What about the FORTY PERCENT of the people who are Independents or the Green Party or the Libertarian Party? Do you LOVE to see all those folks DISENFRANCHIZED? Do you LOVE to see this BLATANT disregard for EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER THE LAW?
You do Ron, and that's why our American Democracy is a BIG FAT LIE.
Wednesday, January 12th 2022 at 12:23AM
Steve Williams
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More recently, substantial curbs on state discretion have been instituted by both the Court and the Congress. In Williams v. Rhodes,6 the Court struck down a complex state system that effectively limited access to the ballot to the electors of the two major parties. In the Court’s view, the system violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment because it favored some and disfavored others and burdened both the right of individuals to associate together to advance political beliefs and the right of qualified voters to cast ballots for electors of their choice. For the Court, Justice Black denied that the language of Clause 2 immunized such state practices from judicial scrutiny.7
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/e...
Wednesday, January 12th 2022 at 1:40AM
Steve Williams
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Now to answer your question Steve.
State’s authority in voting laws
So, where do states come in? Under Article II, Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution, states are accountable for managing federal elections. Most states explicitly assert the right to vote for each of its citizens in its state constitution.
Although, this is not a right that states are required to grant: Section 2 of the 14th Amendment “penalizes states that withhold the ballot but does not require them to grant it.” Thus, if a state grants the right to vote for citizens of its state, then the state will be punished if they prevent a state citizen from voting using specific criteria. Bee and Nimni write: “[States] are merely disallowed from certain specific kinds of infringements. The government can effectively restrict voting access for any reason other than the few enumerated prohibitions, and the right still has not been violated in any legal sense.”
Voting Rights Act of 1965
Congress has continued working on ensuring voting rights beyond the U.S. Constitution throughout history. To coincide with the 15th Amendment, Congress passed the Civil Rights Act of 1870 (amended in 1957, 1960, and 1964) to prohibit states from denying the right to vote based on race, color, religion, s*x, and national origin, through violence, threats, intimidation, and destruction of property.
The Voting Rights Act of 1965 arose out of the Civil Rights era to enforce the prohibition of states to deny the right to vote based on race, color, and the ability to read English. Furthermore, this act issued a “preclearance” provision to prevent historically racist states from changing voting laws to limit a minority vote.
Seeing as Congress has ratified multiple constitutional amendments and passed the aforementioned acts (over the span of approximately 100 years), it may seem that they have taken many precautions to prevent states from denying the right to vote to citizens. However, much has changed since the decision in Shelby County v. Holder in 2013.
Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act of 1965 was originally designed to prevent historically discriminatory states from making changes to their voting laws and procedures without first seeking approval or “preclearance” from either the Department of Justice or a federal court.
“In the Shelby County decision, the Supreme Court eviscerated that portion of the law, giving states with a history of discrimination free rein to change their voting laws without prior approval,” according to the Brennan Center for Justice. The federal government will intervene to the extent that they can to protect the voting rights of citizens, but ultimately, the power and authority will be returned to the states.
That should answer your question.
Wednesday, January 12th 2022 at 4:55AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Now did you see this video report presentation Steve? Here is just more evidence that Trump is the loser of The 2020 Presidential Election and Trump Forged documents and False electors, was also discovered. Steve, did you see what your people tried to do in this election in not ONE States, Not in TWO States but THERE States Steve and I bet there is more States involved in this voter fraud on The behalf of Donald J Trump?
Wednesday, January 12th 2022 at 5:09AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Rachel was up to 5 states last night Ron. The corruption of the State’s authority in voting laws is that the 2 party system has colluded to control the elector selection process.
Wednesday, January 12th 2022 at 4:17PM
Steve Williams
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Well I be. Those Republicans were planning to steal the election for Trump in a grand style. The Plot Thickens. Trump is a loser.
Wednesday, January 12th 2022 at 6:32PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Just look at all of this forgery going around from the Republican side of The Hill. Trump is not in it by himself and this is what you want for The United States of America Steve?
Wednesday, January 12th 2022 at 6:38PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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These so-called forgeries are a very good thing for American Democracy Ron. Rachel and you have unwittingly done us a service.
Thursday, January 13th 2022 at 2:41AM
Steve Williams
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Ron, why don't the people elect the Electors directly? How is is these two corrupt political parties weasled in?
Thursday, January 13th 2022 at 2:43AM
Steve Williams
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Steve, there you go again running like hell from my question like your behind is on FIRE 🔥.
Here’s the question you ran like HELL from: “ Just look at all of this forgery going around from the Republican side of The Hill. Trump is not in it by himself and this is what you want for The United States of America Steve?”
Thursday, January 13th 2022 at 4:32AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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If these were forgeries then there would be prosecutions. There are not prosecutions, therefore they are not forgeries Ron. Duh.
Thursday, January 13th 2022 at 11:47PM
Steve Williams
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Steve, are we talking about the same thing here? Did you see the evidence in this report? First of all Steve, did you see this report? Because if you did see this report, then how did you look over "THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES" which busted these FIVE Fraudulent Elector Ballets to elect TRUMP the winner of those States where he was clearly The LOSER.
Now Steve, if you want to talk about this report which is clear evidence of FIVE voting fraudulent cases all of which is for the loser TRUMP, then watch the report, and then let's talk, OK! After you have watched this report:
Here’s the question you ran like HELL from: “ Just look at all of this forgery going around from the Republican side of The Hill. Trump is not in it by himself and this is what you want for The United States of America Steve?”
Friday, January 14th 2022 at 9:00AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Ron, on one of the MSNBC shows last night, they had on both the Michigan AG and Secretary of State, and neither one of them could say they are able to prosecute the perpetrators of this alternate slate of electors, under Michigan law.
Friday, January 14th 2022 at 10:56AM
Steve Williams
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Steve, I am talking about this topic right here. Did you see the evidence in this report?
Friday, January 14th 2022 at 11:20AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Yes Ron, I saw this report. The Michigan law concerning the selection of electors, is indefensible. That's why the Republicans legally submitted their alternate electors,
Friday, January 14th 2022 at 2:14PM
Steve Williams
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Steve, this too is apart of The failed attempt to hold on to power but this to failed.
Steve, those false electors for Trump, who signed that FAKE Document In a state that Biden WON, will see there day in court, what do you THINK Steve?
Friday, January 14th 2022 at 3:03PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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There is no law to prosecute them with Ron. Didn't you hear Michigan's AG and Secretary of State confirm that last night?
Friday, January 14th 2022 at 9:06PM
Steve Williams
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It was on Rachel's show.
Friday, January 14th 2022 at 9:09PM
Steve Williams
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Fraud and Criminal Impersonation
Defending criminal offenses involving fraud, forgery, or other deceptive acts, such as identity theft or criminal impersonation, can be particularly involved as these offenses by their very nature usually arise from documentary transactions. Fraud, very generally, simply means that the defendant used some form of deception in order to obtain something of value. While there is not a criminal offense of fraud per se, many criminal offenses involve fraud, such as fraudulent use of a credit card, fraudulently cashing the check of another or cashing a check knowing there are insufficient funds to cover the amount of the check, fraudulently representing the value of an item listed for sale, etc. In each of these types of offenses, it is crucial to obtain the necessary documents, records, and other evidence to establish why the “paper trail” leading to the defendant is either missing important evidence or that the investigator made erroneous conclusions from incorrect evidence.
By the way Steve, did you know that it is up to seven fraudulent states that tried and failed to steal The 2020 Presidential Election for TRUMP?
Saturday, January 15th 2022 at 12:06AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Fraud and Criminal Impersonation
Defending criminal offenses involving fraud, forgery, or other deceptive acts, such as identity theft or criminal impersonation, can be particularly involved as these offenses by their very nature usually arise from documentary transactions. Fraud, very generally, simply means that the defendant used some form of deception in order to obtain something of value. it is crucial to obtain the necessary documents, records, and other evidence to establish why the “paper trail” leading to the defendant is either missing important evidence or that the investigator made erroneous conclusions from incorrect evidence.
By the way Steve, did you know that it is up to seven fraudulent states that tried and failed to steal The 2020 Presidential Election for TRUMP?
Also, fraud is a serious crime in Michigan, and authorities will often pursue these cases vigorously.
Saturday, January 15th 2022 at 12:13AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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