"ABOLISHING THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE"

It is about giving the voting power to all of the people in a national vote for president.

It's not going to happen, there's no way 2/3rds of the states would approve. The Electors exist so that the Republic is not run by California, New York, and Illinois. That's a very good thing.

The ELECTORAL COLLEGE was put into play to keep the slave owning states from succeeding from The United States of America. Since this country don't practice slavery any more, it is time to get rid of that law and let the will of the people reflect our, unless you still feel that slavery is still needed, well do you?

Now what you think of Bill's comments?

The Electors have to do with the House and Senate. Every state gets two senators regardless of population, and likewise every state gets two electors for their two senators, regardless of population. This is what makes us the united STATES.

Have you seen the fake news from Brian Stelter?

You know FULL WELL THAT I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE.

I asked you two questions:

1. "Since this country don't practice slavery any more, it is time to get rid of that law and let the will of the people reflect the voice of the people, unless you still feel that slavery is still needed, well do you?

2.Now what do you think of Bill's comments?

I missed that episode of Bill, and I don't need Bill or anyone to explain the Electors to me. The Electors and the Senate ARE connected because they both relate to the Union of States. Or do you think we should abolish the Senate too, since every state no matter how big or small gets the same number, two?

I actually did see this episode. I forgot it takes you days, or weeks, or months to dig up old news. Bill is wrong about why you liberals want to abolish the Electors. The real reason is because you all have absolute faith in a huge overarching federal bureaucracy to give everyone free stuff.

To answer your first question : The U.S. Constitution contains very few provisions relating to the qualifications of Electors. Article II, section 1, clause 2 provides that no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

So that blows a hole in your statement of The Electors and the Senate ARE connected because they both relate to the Union of States.

In short they serve to different purposes and not connected.

Your Statement: do you think we should abolish the Senate too, since every state no matter how big or small gets the same number, two?

Steven, you are as wrong as hell in your thinking that each states get the same number of electors. The electors are sectioned out because of the states population. That is how a state like California can have 55 electors and a state like Mississippi can have only 6.

Now I challenge you to go do the research to proof me wrong and if you can't refute my statement, be a man and admit that you was wrong since, can't no one tell you a damn thing about the electors, you do that?

BE A MAN ABOUT IT, OK!!!




1. "Since this country don't practice slavery any more, it is time to get rid of that law and let the will of the people reflect the voice of the people, unless you still feel that slavery is still needed, well do you?

What does slavery have to do with electors?

I knew it, you can't refute what I have said to you. and you can't live up to the FACT that you was wrong as hell about The Elector College.

Now you want to know What does slavery have to do with electors?

Back in the days when this country was young, America was also a racialized “democracy” where several million black people would eventually be owned by whites as human property. The enslavement, exploitation, rape, and destruction of black bodies were the economic engine that drove the American economy. Thus, by both design and intent, the United States Constitution was a pro-slavery and pro-Southern document. The Electoral College was central to maintaining America’s white supremacist slavery regime.

[James] Madison knew that the North would outnumber the South, despite there being more than half a million slaves in the South who were their economic vitality, but could not vote. His proposition for the Electoral College included the “three-fifths compromise,” where black people could be counted as three-fifths of a person, instead of a whole. This clause garnered the state [of Virginia] 12 out of 91 electoral votes, more than a quarter of what a president needed to win.

“None of this is about slaves voting,” said [legal scholar Paul] Finkelman, who wrote a paper on the origins of the Electoral College for a symposium after Gore lost [in the 2000 election]. “The debates are in part about political power and also the fundamental immorality of counting slaves for the purpose of giving political power to the master class.”

Now I challenge you to refute this new information that I put before you, can you do that on your next reply STEVEN?

Also

Answer my ongoing question STEVEN: 1. "Since this country don't practice slavery any more, it is time to get rid of that law and let the will of the people reflect the voice of the people, unless you still feel that slavery is still needed, well do you?

"ABOLISHING THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE"

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----- Absolutely.......I AGREE with deacon"blackHebrewIsraelite'....ABOLISH all Slavery Remnants

1. Abolish the idea that there is anything in History of the World like American racistlyIgnorant

...slaverAmericana 1492-1864(1964)- the Generational rape/torture/pedophilia/murder NO EDUCATION of African Asian by European Racist paganChristians

2. Abolish the idea that the African Asian should accept the Belief of their Slaver Masters(rapists/torturers/pedophiliacs/murders)

3. Abolish the idea that the African Asian should accept kingJamesVersions of African Asian Monotheistic Belief .....kingJames, hisFamily and hisBrothers and sisters of Europe were the architects and used that English Language book as the handbook of SlaverAmericana1600-1864(1964)

4. Abolish 'whiteMan' steveAdam from BIA, an African American Family Site.....

Hey STEVEN!!! Do you have a reply to ROBERT?

Why stop with the Electors Ron? Throw the whole damn Constitution out!

Don't be a damn fool STEVEN.

1. "Since this country don't practice slavery any more, it is time to get rid of that law and let the will of the people reflect the voice of the people, unless you still feel that slavery is still needed, well do you?

Slavery has nothing to do with the Electors.

Federalist No. 10, in which Madison discusses the means of preventing rule by majority faction and advocates a large, commercial republic, is generally regarded as the most important of the 85 articles from a philosophical perspective; it is complemented by Federalist No. 14, in which Madison takes the measure of the United States, declares it appropriate for an extended republic, and concludes with a memorable defense of the constitutional and political creativity of the Federal Convention.[3] In Federalist No. 84, Hamilton makes the case that there is no need to amend the Constitution by adding a Bill of Rights, insisting that the various provisions in the proposed Constitution protecting liberty amount to a "bill of rights". Federalist No. 78, also written by Hamilton, lays the groundwork for the doctrine of judicial review by federal courts of federal legislation or executive acts. Federalist No. 70 presents Hamilton's case for a one-man chief executive. In Federalist No. 39, Madison presents the clearest exposition of what has come to be called "Federalism". In Federalist No. 51, Madison distills arguments for checks and balances in an essay often quoted for its justification of government as "the greatest of all reflections on human nature."

According to historian Richard B. Morris, they are an "incomparable exposition of the Constitution, a classic in political science unsurpassed in both breadth and depth by the product of any later American writer."[4]

In Federalist No. 1, Hamilton listed six topics to be covered in the subsequent articles:

"The utility of the UNION to your political prosperity" – covered in No. 2 through No. 14
"The insufficiency of the present Confederation to preserve that Union" –covered in No. 15 through No. 22
"The necessity of a government at least equally energetic with the one proposed to the attainment of this object" – covered in No. 23 through No. 36
"The conformity of the proposed constitution to the true principles of republican government" – covered in No. 37 through No. 84
"Its analogy to your own state constitution" – covered in No. 85
"The additional security which its adoption will afford to the preservation of that species of government, to liberty and to prosperity" – covered in No. 85.[29]
Furtwangler notes that as the series grew, this plan was somewhat changed. The fourth topic expanded into detailed coverage of the individual articles of the Constitution and the institutions it mandated, while the two last topics were merely touched on in the last essay.

"ABOLISHING THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE"

SUBJECT

".......Slavery has nothing to do with the Electors....."
Sunday, December 25th 2016 at 7:42AM
Steve Williams

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---- selfProfessed 'whiteMan' steveAdam.....the Electoral College.....HAD EVERTHING to do with

slaverAmericana 1776-1864(1964) the rape/torture/pedophilia and murder of Africans by European RACISTS..

BUT

you write....more Disrespect to BIA, an AfricanAmerican Family site with.....

".....the Electoral College was created in the 18th century by the Framers as a council of elders who would serve as a check on the passions of the public, because they understood how such feelings could all too easily sweep through a democracy like a forest fire if left unchecked.

..... the Electoral College was part of a ......compromise that tried to balance the economic interests of different regions as well as the competing desires of various elites.

That compromise created a hybrid federal system of government that gave equal representation to each state (in the Senate) but also allowed for representation on the basis of population (the House of Representatives).

America was .... a racialized “democracy” where several million ... people would eventually be owned by whites as human property.

The enslavement, exploitation, rape, and destruction of ... bodies were the economic engine that drove the American economy.

....... the United States Constitution was a pro-slavery and pro-Southern document.

The Electoral College was central to maintaining America’s white supremacist slavery regime.

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Do leave our African American Family site....you steveAdam disrespectingDISEASE>.....

Come back to the topic STEVEN, this blog is not about The Federalist Paper.

The topic is about: "ABOLISHING THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE"

and my question to you is: "Since this country don't practice the raw form of slavery any more, it is time to get rid of that law and let the will of the people reflect the voice of the people, unless you still feel that slavery is still needed, well do you? "

Come back to the topic STEVEN, this blog is not about The Federalist Paper.

The topic is about: "ABOLISHING THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE" focus on the comments of Bill O'Reilly.

Also keep focus to my question to you is: "Since this country don't practice the raw form of slavery any more, it is time to get rid of that law and let the will of the people reflect the voice of the people, unless you still feel that slavery is still needed, well do you? "

No Ron, I will not focus on your question, I will focus on your misconception that the Electors were put in place to serve the interests of slaveholders.

And Robert, what in the hell are you quoting?

|| Federalist No. 68 ||
The Mode of Electing the President
From the New York Packet
Friday, March 14, 1788.
Author: Alexander Hamilton
To the People of the State of New York:
THE mode of appointment of the Chief Magistrate of the United States is almost the only part of the system, of any consequence, which has escaped without severe censure, or which has received the slightest mark of approbation from its opponents. The most plausible of these, who has appeared in print, has even deigned to admit that the election of the President is pretty well guarded. [1] I venture somewhat further, and hesitate not to affirm, that if the manner of it be not perfect, it is at least excellent. It unites in an eminent degree all the advantages, the union of which was to be wished for.
It was desirable that the sense of the people should operate in the choice of the person to whom so important a trust was to be confided. This end will be answered by committing the right of making it, not to any preestablished body, but to men chosen by the people for the special purpose, and at the particular conjuncture.
It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations.
It was also peculiarly desirable to afford as little opportunity as possible to tumult and disorder. This evil was not least to be dreaded in the election of a magistrate, who was to have so important an agency in the administration of the government as the President of the United States. But the precautions which have been so happily concerted in the system under consideration, promise an effectual security against this mischief. The choice of SEVERAL, to form an intermediate body of electors, will be much less apt to convulse the community with any extraordinary or violent movements, than the choice of ONE who was himself to be the final object of the public wishes. And as the electors, chosen in each State, are to assemble and vote in the State in which they are chosen, this detached and divided situation will expose them much less to heats and ferments, which might be communicated from them to the people, than if they were all to be convened at one time, in one place.
Nothing was more to be desired than that every practicable obstacle should be opposed to cabal, intrigue, and corruption. These most deadly adversaries of republican government might naturally have been expected to make their approaches from more than one quarter, but chiefly from the desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils. How could they better gratify this, than by raising a creature of their own to the chief magistracy of the Union? But the convention have guarded against all danger of this sort, with the most provident and judicious attention. They have not made the appointment of the President to depend on any preexisting bodies of men, who might be tampered with beforehand to prostitute their votes; but they have referred it in the first instance to an immediate act of the people of America, to be exerted in the choice of persons for the temporary and sole purpose of making the appointment. And they have excluded from eligibility to this trust, all those who from situation might be suspected of too great devotion to the President in office. No senator, representative, or other person holding a place of trust or profit under the United States, can be of the numbers of the electors. Thus without corrupting the body of the people, the immediate agents in the election will at least enter upon the task free from any sinister bias. Their transient existence, and their detached situation, already taken notice of, afford a satisfactory prospect of their continuing so, to the conclusion of it. The business of corruption, when it is to embrace so considerable a number of men, requires time as well as means. Nor would it be found easy suddenly to embark them, dispersed as they would be over thirteen States, in any combinations founded upon motives, which though they could not properly be denominated corrupt, might yet be of a nature to mislead them from their duty.
Another and no less important desideratum was, that the Executive should be independent for his continuance in office on all but the people themselves. He might otherwise be tempted to sacrifice his duty to his complaisance for those whose favor was necessary to the duration of his official consequence. This advantage will also be secured, by making his re-election to depend on a special body of representatives, deputed by the society for the single purpose of making the important choice.
All these advantages will happily combine in the plan devised by the convention; which is, that the people of each State shall choose a number of persons as electors, equal to the number of senators and representatives of such State in the national government, who shall assemble within the State, and vote for some fit person as President. Their votes, thus given, are to be transmitted to the seat of the national government, and the person who may happen to have a majority of the whole number of votes will be the President. But as a majority of the votes might not always happen to centre in one man, and as it might be unsafe to permit less than a majority to be conclusive, it is provided that, in such a contingency, the House of Representatives shall select out of the candidates who shall have the five highest number of votes, the man who in their opinion may be best qualified for the office.
The process of election affords a moral certainty, that the office of President will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications. Talents for low intrigue, and the little arts of popularity, may alone suffice to elevate a man to the first honors in a single State; but it will require other talents, and a different kind of merit, to establish him in the esteem and confidence of the whole Union, or of so considerable a portion of it as would be necessary to make him a successful candidate for the distinguished office of President of the United States. It will not be too strong to say, that there will be a constant probability of seeing the station filled by characters pre-eminent for ability and virtue. And this will be thought no inconsiderable recommendation of the Constitution, by those who are able to estimate the share which the executive in every government must necessarily have in its good or ill administration. Though we cannot acquiesce in the political heresy of the poet who says: "For forms of government let fools contest That which is best administered is best," yet we may safely pronounce, that the true test of a good government is its aptitude and tendency to produce a good administration.
The Vice-President is to be chosen in the same manner with the President; with this difference, that the Senate is to do, in respect to the former, what is to be done by the House of Representatives, in respect to the latter.
The appointment of an extraordinary person, as Vice-President, has been objected to as superfluous, if not mischievous. It has been alleged, that it would have been preferable to have authorized the Senate to elect out of their own body an officer answering that description. But two considerations seem to justify the ideas of the convention in this respect. One is, that to secure at all times the possibility of a definite resolution of the body, it is necessary that the President should have only a casting vote. And to take the senator of any State from his seat as senator, to place him in that of President of the Senate, would be to exchange, in regard to the State from which he came, a constant for a contingent vote. The other consideration is, that as the Vice-President may occasionally become a substitute for the President, in the supreme executive magistracy, all the reasons which recommend the mode of election prescribed for the one, apply with great if not with equal force to the manner of appointing the other. It is remarkable that in this, as in most other instances, the objection which is made would lie against the constitution of this State. We have a Lieutenant-Governor, chosen by the people at large, who presides in the Senate, and is the constitutional substitute for the Governor, in casualties similar to those which would authorize the Vice-President to exercise the authorities and discharge the duties of the President.
PUBLIUS.
1. Vide FEDERAL FARMER.

STEVEN, in this paragraph alone states: "It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations."

Some say that Some of the electors in this case asked to see the proof of Russian involvement in the election of Trump and was denied access to the same type of security briefing on the subject that Trump received but , so these electors could not fulfil their mandate properly.

Even the House Intelligence Committee has not yet gotten a security briefing. As far as the qualifications of electors, the Democrats put up a teenage girl in at least one state, and she was one of 5 that didn't vote for Hillary.

getting back on topic to what you just saw. Fox News host Bill O’Reilly's latest "Talking Points Memo" on abolishing the Electoral College didn't go quite as planned... or did it?

'Talking Points' believes this is all about race," he concluded of the party that “wants power taken away from the white establishment.” 

Come back to the topic STEVEN,

The topic is..... : "ABOLISHING THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE"

"Since this country don't practice the raw form of slavery any more, it is time to get rid of that law and let the will of the people reflect the voice of the people, unless you still feel that slavery is still needed, well do you? "

Sunday, December 25th 2016 at 9:28AM
Deacon Ron Gray

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I know that the 'blackChristianDemocrat' wants to appease the 'whiteChristianDemocrat'

BUT

steveAdam is a selfProfessed 'whiteMan'.....LIKE

----- 'whiteMen' Founding Fathers.....christianSlave Holders, Rapists, Torturers, Pedophiles and Murderers

----- 'whiteMen' Founding Fathers.....that wrote for History....."All men are created Equal"

----- 'whiteMen' Founding Fathers.....that gave themselves the Electoral College

IN CASE, African Slaves and Natives

---- EVER became Believers and Citizens of...... "For the People, BY the PEOPLE"

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---- In 2017 LET BIA, stand for the ABOLISHMENT of SLAVERAMERICAN Remant.....The Electoral College

and ABOLISH steveAdam stevenDearest 'whiteMan'

Go on then Robert. Better start with all those Republican state legislatures.

STEVEN, all those Republican state legislatures are not here on Black In America, you are, SO

Get back on topic to what you just saw at the top of this blog of Bill O'Reily. Fox News host Bill O’Reilly's latest "Talking Points Memo" on abolishing the Electoral College didn't go quite as planned... or did it?

'Talking Points' believes this is all about race," he concluded of the party that “wants power taken away from the white establishment,”  What do you THINK?

Now this question is not just for STEVEN, this question is open to the floor.

I said before Ron that I think Bill is wrong, as he often is. The important thing is that those Repulican legislatures will not ratify an amendment for the popular vote. So all this is is one of your and Robert's complaining points.

".....So all this is is one of your and Robert's complaining points....."
Monday, December 26th 2016 at 10:39AM
Steve Williams

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I am ASKING as deaconGray....to Abolish SlaverAmericana remnants ...........!

---- you steveAdam have been COMPLAINING at an African American Family site

The GREATEST USA President Baraaka Hussein Obama

---- you steveAdam stevenDearest 'whiteMan' SHOULD be ABOLISHED from BIA

BECAUSE you ARE a REMNANT of the slaverAmericana 1776-1864(1964) DISEASE .... LEAVE!

I'll admit Robert, it can be difficult to deal with conformists.

Now that you guys been at it for awhile, do you want to get back to the topic of Bill O'Reilly. Fox News host Bill O’Reilly's latest "Talking Points Memo" on abolishing the Electoral College didn't go quite as planned... or did it?

'Talking Points' believes this is all about race," he concluded of the party that “wants power taken away from the white establishment,”  What do you THINK?



Now this question is not just for STEVEN, this question is open to the floor.